Will be Retro

[grey_ghost]

They couldn’t have used a D5 as a camera car? WT? [emoji15]

[ozscott]

They couldn’t have used a D5 as a camera car? WT? [emoji15]I know. Bloody funny I reckon. But they can't afford a drama on the big camera car [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1786]

Cheers

[SBD4]

They couldn’t have used a D5 as a camera car? WT? [emoji15]
I guess it's a matter of what the filming company uses as a part of their set up....still....

[blackrangie]

They couldn’t have used a D5 as a camera car? WT? [emoji15][emoji23]..Obviously they hired a company to film..awesome camera setup, im guessing its a massive gimble. Im supprised they dont use a full size RR like topgear with the smooth air susp, maybe with the gimble its less important.

[blackrangie]

Wow, its certainly a remote location for the shoot! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190818/8f4823b6812132ad46148b8084a06b05.jpg

[Arapiles]

So we can move on, I found a section in ADR 42/04 (General Safety Requirements) 2005 that covers this to a point, but nothing before the previous ADR (1989) which is probably why Perenties and other vehicles get away with it. Anything made after this new ADR came into effect shall comply with it, so modern vehicles have to meet the following -

Section 11 deals with internal and external protrusions - Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 42/04 - General Safety Requirements) 2005 (https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2011C00102)

Based on this I would assume that an Australian variant couldn’t have a side ladder from the factory and fitting one aftermarket would potentially be illegal, but no more so than a fishing rod holder, side awning and such so like a lot of things we do with our vehicles, it’s up to each individual to determine what risk they are happy to run with and accept the consequences of those actions. I this case, if you were pulled up I don’t think it would be too hard to remove it to keep the Police happy. Much lower risk than say running 35” tyres and a 2” lift on a vehicle it is not designed for.

Just my 2 cents. 😊

I found the same thing, and the version of s.11 enacted in Victoria. Perenties, when being used by the Army, were probably exempt from the rules that applied at the time.

[blackrangie]

YouTube (https://youtu.be/bQ_Ono78VAA)

Ragtop and snorkel

[Tombie]

My understanding was that it's actually illegal to mount stuff on the side of a vehicle - you might get away with a ladder but a jerry can you won't - or shouldn't.

The only info I could find was from Qld and it says that a roof-mounted load can't project any more than 15cm from the sides of the vehicle. On that basis a lot of the awnings I see are illegally mounted.

There's no indication that mounting something on the side of a vehicle is legal at all.

Side dimensions of the vehicle includes the widest point - Eg. mirror.

[blackrangie]

This is the terrain they would have been shooting.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/b7e0b77f1eee493da88482e0afbc380d.jpg

[plusnq]

Beautiful location


This is the terrain they would have been shooting.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/b7e0b77f1eee493da88482e0afbc380d.jpg

[blackrangie]

Few highlights from the latest vid.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/46e941f3f09ff453d591470b77b31561.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/5c198b5c45451a71f58214290ccbca44.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/bd4faa630c2846ac2eaf5468dd562f2f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/e219a90bfe24928a21ee3c6c2cdc2239.jpg

[ozscott]

Looks like a matte black roof with camo panels wrapping around...surely they won't go all Wrangler.

Cheers

[blackrangie]

Looks like a matte black roof with camo panels wrapping around...surely they won't go all Wrangler.

CheersBeen spotted before in spain, fiat 500/jeep style.

1st one is new defender roof spotted in spain.

Here are some other roofs to compare.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/074df201d6698b4215d3114e105749c2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/ec84c508df8714574ba07f36d834cd2a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/3131ea2b4ffbe8ed8731cd2bcac6896a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/46bec744346237696abe3f5e05ebbb1d.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/eec5d043f6b65b005ed35bcf5f26640b.jpg

[DiscoMick]

Glass roof in some pics?

Sent from my A1601 using AULRO mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=78345)

[SBD4]

Looks like a matte black roof with camo panels wrapping around...surely they won't go all Wrangler.

Cheers
I said it before, "canvas" on a ute but not on a wagon....I really, really hope they don't do that. Glass sunroofs have their problems with water... imagine what these would be like. Not to mention how bad they look with that folded canvas bunched up at the back when its open. It just does not seem like the right sort of car for that kind of opening.

BR, it's just my opinion so you don't have to offer up a retort.[wink11]

[blackrangie]

Glass roof in some pics?

Sent from my A1601 using AULRO mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=78345)Yup, I believe if there is a line in the glass it opens. Im interested in the ragtop, kinda cool if you dont have a rack on.

[blackrangie]

I said it before, "canvas" on a ute but not on a wagon....I really, really hope they don't do that. Glass sunroofs have their problems with water... imagine what these would be like. Not to mention how bad they look with that folded canvas bunched up at the back when its open. It just does not seem like the right sort of car for that kind of opening.

BR, it's just my opinion so you don't have to offer up a retort.[wink11]So whenever anyone has an opinion, dont reply? Kinda against the whole premise of forums [emoji23]

Your reply to me was a retort, I can't retort to your retort? [emoji6][emoji23] (rhetorical retort)

All jokes asside Fiat and Jeep seem to do it fine and we don't seem to hear the issues of 20 years ago with sunroofs on modern Rovers, engineering and quality has come a long way. Judging by the photos, your hope may be hopeless.[emoji6].

I have had a leaky 89 range rover classic sunroof, also have a 93 RRC with no probs and another latest Gen JLR product with full glass also no dramas.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/9afa21a435b354a0d74fd75cf10d7acb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/c389802f48aa34529804a98ce41c7d24.jpg

[grey_ghost]

Being rather follicly challenged - I hate sun roofs.
They either burn your solar panel OR they all eventually leak.. It's a big no thanks from me! [bawl]

(Yes I have owned a few vehicles with sun roofs and even a convertible once).

[JDNSW]

Over most of Australia, getting a car with a sunroof is either useless - or you have plans to keep the oncologists in business in the future. And they tend to leak.

Canvas roofs are typical of bottom line economy vehicles, the classic example being the Citroen 2CV!

[TB]

As long as a sunroof is an optional extra nobody needs to get their undies twisted. Don’t want? Don’t buy.

Solid roof and a great roof rack for me. I’m too tall for RTT [bighmmm]

[ozscott]

Over most of Australia, getting a car with a sunroof is either useless - or you have plans to keep the oncologists in business in the future. And they tend to leak.

Canvas roofs are typical of bottom line economy vehicles, the classic example being the Citroen 2CV!Love mine. Webasto aftermarket. 17 years old and hasn't missed a beat nor leaked. And I'm in QLD...

Cheers

[blackrangie]

If you look closely at the left hand Defender it seems to have sliders or side steps of some kind.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/9810ad9e8489a4e5281848b77b44912c.jpg

[DiscoMick]

Would be great if deployable sidesteps were an option, as on Rangies. They fold up when the engine starts, but fold down for stepping out when stopped, I believe.

[ozscott]

Not my cup of tea Mick. Will break, will be expensive when it breaks, will be a huge problem if it breaks when in arduous off-road conditions (unless you could easily remove or wind back up and in with a socket).

Cheers

[blackrangie]

Not my cup of tea Mick. Will break, will be expensive when it breaks, will be a huge problem if it breaks when in arduous off-road conditions (unless you could easily remove or wind back up and in with a socket).

CheersI dont think a side step, powered or not could ever be a huge problem breaking, maybe just annoying [emoji6], lots of defenders have big bulky fold down side steps than get bent, they would have to be removed, straightened or replaced.

Some people love em, some dont. They are a fairly simple thing by design, wiper motor and hinges etc

I dont think it will have deployable on the new defender, but maybe, if they do, it will be optional and no doubt tested to take hits off-road. For me, im with you, I dont think i would get them on a defender but a RRvogue or Sport i think i would.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/c76ea7fcc3fbeb68c549b40e9feba1e4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/cc796ef0d1429ed13fb8f6b94c37537c.jpg

[blackrangie]

Some new decent offroad shots from another forum, good to see some flex finally and my fav is the 3rd shothttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/ccb1cd6a1ea57173b17817a2add5028e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/8273cb4480e4873baf5b9db69985b164.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/9d2e96abcbb6850168db397e4b29c068.jpg

[blackrangie]

Heres an interesting one, brightened up the front to try and see what's in the shadows.
Looks to be a huge fan in the middle.
Can't see any big coolers hanging right down like in the D5, if that is them in the shadows they are high up.
Frame has two big bolt-on sections (possibility for recovery points or factory or aftermarket Bullbars/bumpers.

Weights are also much clearer.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/94f994dae2c389c7be6edd68a341adda.jpg

[ozscott]

I dont think a side step, powered or not could ever be a huge problem breaking, maybe just annoying [emoji6], lots of defenders have big bulky fold down side steps than get bent, they would have to be removed, straightened or replaced.

Some people love em, some dont. They are a fairly simple thing by design, wiper motor and hinges etc

I dont think it will have deployable on the new defender, but maybe, if they do, it will be optional and no doubt tested to take hits off-road. For me, im with you, I dont think i would get them on a defender but a RRvogue or Sport i think i would.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/c76ea7fcc3fbeb68c549b40e9feba1e4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/cc796ef0d1429ed13fb8f6b94c37537c.jpgIt's a huge problem if it auto deploys out and down when getting out in the middle of difficult terrain and fails to return... ie in places where you need the clearance. What happens if you can't stick a socket on and wind it back up...can't get over obstacles you cleared on the way in, bend bits of vehicle...? Just one more unnecessary and silly bling to go wrong.

Cheers

[SBD4]

I think you can expect Land Rover will have thought through those kinds of issues. Aside from being able to disable them completely, there's a selectable mode for "off-road" - I wouldn't be surprised if they were also directly linked to terrain response and operate accordingly. Even if they do deploy against an obstruction, they'll sense it and retract immediately. There's a "Roof Access" mode also which will force them to stay deployed to, as it says, enable easier access the roof. How they would stand up to off-road treatment and if they offer any kind of sill protection...who knows. Not for hard offroad I think.

https://img2.icarcdn.com/8375145/gallery_recon-car-carlist-land-rover-range-rover-sport-hse-dynamic-suv-malaysia_8375145_2gHUYK6fJg5I3PtVJsb7ge.JPG'smia=x TM

[ozscott]

If they could be completely disabled for off.road that would go a fair way to making them feasible although in onroad conditions the vehicle is low so a step is not required. The leccy side step is bling for the sake of bling I'm afraid.

Cheers

[SBD4]

If they could be completely disabled for off.road that would go a fair way to making them feasible although in onroad conditions the vehicle is low so a step is not required. The leccy side step is bling for the sake of bling I'm afraid.

Cheers
Agreed, I would go so far as to say that no sidestep, electric or fixed, should be fitted to a vehicle that is likely to have the sill make contact with the ground unless they are built in as a part of a standoff bar on rock sliders.

[blackrangie]

Found the original poster of the photos, the photographer Nick, I'm guessing the embargo was lifted after the latest testing video came out. Extra info in his comments and a few extra pics.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/ce273487971a70429988e21c060c6567.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/cd3591c35e12c604b258b4720e97af48.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/60898b040b18a903699267c7d475cd6e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/a29902cbe3a737183ad6021553cea8f9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/e82860e63af52f49c262f13efc67ac54.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/e124d0821ebf9081c63c3ef7d5d2f87c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/be57934a8e05bef7ee7cfa896050a9d9.jpg

[blackrangie]

Agreed, I would go so far as to say that no sidestep, electric or fixed, should be fitted to a vehicle that is likely to have the sill make contact with the ground unless they are built in as a part of a standoff bar on rock sliders.Found this whilst looking into them.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/839e426f01b41813d08ef3d0019cca57.jpg

[Tombie]

Sent to me earlier today
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/e7062f185295b6ea8c8f0aab6867cfc2.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/9ee4228726cb5bb04e53955abcffbacf.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/803ece9eea94af8574e224bd9c6600b1.jpg

[Homestar]

German plates.

[TB]

That Auto Bild image doesn’t look right to me. The rear door is way too square. There’s not enough wheel arch clearance given the position of the wheel centres. Seems likely to be an “artist impression” IMO.

[Homestar]

Now you’ve said that if you zoom in you can see some strange artefacts along the LHS edge and top of the vehicle that probably wouldn’t be there if it was a proper pic.

[Arapiles]

I'd presume that they've photoshopped a DC100 photo.

[blackrangie]

Sent to me earlier today
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/e7062f185295b6ea8c8f0aab6867cfc2.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/9ee4228726cb5bb04e53955abcffbacf.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/803ece9eea94af8574e224bd9c6600b1.jpgIts actually a pretty good effort, this was thier first job from memory, DC100 photoshop

YouTube (https://youtu.be/GSwxeO4CIUM)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/3d683aaf90580b7daf85fae70be39621.jpg

[blackrangie]

Seen on another forum, not verified, but looks like dealer emailhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190821/420d96465d55f4285a65ab46feb25caa.jpg

[ozscott]

Getting close. Very interesting to see what it can do. Should be good seeing it up the Old Tele Track at Cape York with some decent rubber. Keen to see loadspace and roof limits in black and white. Should be good.

Cheers

[Gregz]

22 sleeps ? (allowing for them being almost a day behind)

[Disco-tastic]

Sent to me earlier today
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/e7062f185295b6ea8c8f0aab6867cfc2.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/9ee4228726cb5bb04e53955abcffbacf.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/803ece9eea94af8574e224bd9c6600b1.jpgI hope those arent the rear lights. I was hoping they were going down the path of some modernised separate lights, as in just the oblong lights within that cluster. The wraparound lights ruin the aesthetic i think.

Also, it is definitely a render or Photoshop job. The lighting is all weird for a real photo.

[JDNSW]

Yes - the lighting on the Defender is over your left shooulder - see the shadow of the spare. But the background ridge is backlit!

[blackrangie]

Jaguar Land Rover at the Frankfurt Motor Show | Land Rover (https://media.landrover.com/en-us/blog/2011/jaguar-land-rover-frankfurt-motor-show)

Found this seemingly unlisted link, googling frankfurt

Edit: Looks to be an old link, but date might just update every day to todays date.

[blackrangie]

Its official, 2 reveal dates, wohoo
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190821/88d33071f4928f4df6af77afc8d1a67c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190821/52602fb9e74d5fbc4937e0a1a93f4057.jpg

[ramblingboy42]

I have just returned from my bi annual trip to SA desert country.

Not a Land Rover of any vintage , model or range to be seen either coming or going over 6000km.

Hundreds of Landcruisers of all denomination, hundreds of Ford Rangers , hundreds of other Isuzus , Colorados , Jeeps, HiLuxes.

Black rangie, for you......do you believe that I will see new Defenders in the bush on my next trip there in April 2020?

Do you really think that the general Australian population , with the advent of a super new luxo SUV, will forgive and forget what LR have done to them over the past 20yrs , and buy new Defenders when they can buy what is written above for a bout half the price, with superb dealership back up?

This thread has been fun , but I'm willing to take a bet that I will not see a new Defender in the SA bush by easter next year.

[scarry]

This thread has been fun , but I'm willing to take a bet that I will not see a new Defender in the SA bush by easter next year.

So no release date for the new Defender in Aus,with all this LR stuff,nothing about Aus has been mentioned.

Maybe it won't be here until after Easter.

Pretty normal in the bush,i am often in regional areas,hardly ever see an LR,thats been the way for years.
And its not going to change anytime soon.

[Tombie]

I have just returned from my bi annual trip to SA desert country.

Not a Land Rover of any vintage , model or range to be seen either coming or going over 6000km.

Hundreds of Landcruisers of all denomination, hundreds of Ford Rangers , hundreds of other Isuzus , Colorados , Jeeps, HiLuxes.

Black rangie, for you......do you believe that I will see new Defenders in the bush on my next trip there in April 2020?

Do you really think that the general Australian population , with the advent of a super new luxo SUV, will forgive and forget what LR have done to them over the past 20yrs , and buy new Defenders when they can buy what is written above for a bout half the price, with superb dealership back up?

This thread has been fun , but I'm willing to take a bet that I will not see a new Defender in the SA bush by easter next year.

If I buy one you’ll see one in the bush in under a day of ownership.

You just have lucked it, just last weekend we passed about 6 fully kitted out D3&4s in 500km.

And a Prado and a 200 on tilt trays. [emoji6]

[goingbush]

The biggest tell that that picture above is photoshop is the rear 'step'. The pespective on the left side of it is totally wrong.

[blackrangie]

If I buy one you’ll see one in the bush in under a day of ownership.

You just have lucked it, just last weekend we passed about 6 fully kitted out D3&4s in 500km.

And a Prado and a 200 on tilt trays. [emoji6]I will also be out there pretty much straight away, after all this waiting, there will be no holding me back..looks like there will be enough options to make it bush read from the factory.

[TB]

Damn right I'd be taking a new Defender out on the dirt and sand... it's the timing I'm unsure about. I will probably have to either run my D4 into the ground, or convince my wife that we should trade both our current LRs in for one Defender. The first option is the more likely one but with only 190K on the clock and a run rate of 10-15K/year that could take me a while.

[blackrangie]

More pics out of Dubai

I imagine we will see the usual dune videos from the locals pretty soonhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190823/d9d47dcc330ad88c436c95a33a414e80.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190823/49f70761b5762741694633d46806bb52.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190823/a2c3089c03930f2928604c824f636644.jpg

[scarry]

If I buy one you’ll see one in the bush in under a day of ownership.

You just have lucked it, just last weekend we passed about 6 fully kitted out D3&4s in 500km.

And a Prado and a 200 on tilt trays. [emoji6]

Same here,as with the D4,mine will be outback,in the rough stuff,thats what it will be bought for,touring,and SWMBO's daily,as i have the van.

We did 2000K's,over 7 days,last week,outback Qld.
Saw two D4's,two L322,one Disco Sport,one old tray back Deefer,full of dents.
Saw many other brands,but the T brand was by far the majority by a country mile.

A couple of months ago we did a road trip in NSW,saw two or three D5's outback,which surprised me.

In fact the owners of a Motel we stayed at on the very south coast of NSW,had one that was a month old.
They had bought it to replace a Ford Everest,they wanted more room.
They liked it,no comparison,twice as good as the Everest,they said ,but it cost almost twice as much.
They don't go off road at all,just wanted a nice large wagon.

[veebs]

I always see the big Dubai (or similar) sand dunes used to demonstrate sand capability - has anyone here driven there? How do they compare to the soft beaches of Aus?

[ozscott]

Don't know mate. I know they seem to go everywhere flat out!

My idea of a good sand test is deep.soft sand in beach cuttings, uphill, towing a load at slow speed due to it being cut up and people everywhere. So good gearing, tall tyres aired down for long footprint, and good torque.

Cheers

[blackrangie]

DISCOVERY POWERS MOBILE MALARIA RESEARCH | Land Rover (https://media.landrover.com/news/2019/08/discovery-powers-mobile-malaria-research)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190824/0f86e0774bfc5154911ef795e5b89274.jpg

[ramblingboy42]

I always see the big Dubai (or similar) sand dunes used to demonstrate sand capability - has anyone here driven there? How do they compare to the soft beaches of Aus?

We have quite a lot of big sand dunes in Australia, most only know of 'big red',which is not the biggest dune in the Simpson. There are also other popular tracks , some are maintained, some not eg Googs. There are plenty more on private property and you wouldn't want to be out there anyway.

[Chops]

Googs,, 👍👍👍

[blackrangie]

SOTA & FOTA is rolling out

Found this on another forum, I imagine Landrover will keep the positive reliability trend because of this, reducing dealer visits and saving JLR huge money.

Looks to update when you turn car off at home, ready when you restart, features tweaked or added, common problems or annoyances fixed, just like apple and android phones.

I imagine the new defender will have this

InControl Touch Pro 19A4: Version S19A_19.24.2-375121 Release Notes >> OVALNEWS.com – Always fanatical; Occasionally interesting Land Rover & Range Rover News (https://www.ovalnews.com/2019/08/incontrol-touch-pro-19a4-version-s19a_19-24-2-375121-release-notes.html)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190824/334176e35bb32e1941e21b0025fcbd62.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190824/1aaef7821ab3affa8abc9f3c0fa2062d.jpg

[JDNSW]

How does that work where there is no mobile coverage?

[SimmAus]

How does that work where there is no mobile coverage?

I imagine your car will remain in it’s current state, until it gets mobile or wifi...I don’t see a problem with this.

[blackrangie]

How does that work where there is no mobile coverage?Same way your phone continues to operate when there is no mobile coverage, just no talky talky to towers.

If you have no coverage at home were you park, connect it to your wifi?, do it when you park at mall, in the street, at work.

Either way its tons easier than going to the dealer for little annoyance fixes.

Imagine if everyone had to go to an apple or samsung shop for software updates [emoji1787][emoji15]

[grey_ghost]

Hopefully it works better than say Windows - when you (rarely) install an update and then your PC fails on the next reboot! [emoji15]

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Being a Land Rover it will probably be running on XP....

[JDNSW]

Same way your phone continues to operate when there is no mobile coverage, just no talky talky to towers.

If you have no coverage at home were you park, connect it to your wifi?, do it when you park at mall, in the street, at work.

Either way its tons easier than going to the dealer for little annoyance fixes.

Imagine if everyone had to go to an apple or samsung shop for software updates [emoji1787][emoji15]

Connect to your wifi? Better not use as much data as does Windows 10 if you are on Satellite internet.

[blackrangie]

Hopefully it works better than say Windows - when you (rarely) install an update and then your PC fails on the next reboot! [emoji15]Haha true, Funny you say that, we have run windows for years on our computers, since 10 we haven't had a drama, it just like android or IOS that gets tweaked.I believe updates are staged also like with phones, not sent out in one hit.

[blackrangie]

Being a Land Rover it will probably be running on XP....Haha, yep back in the day the infotainment was pretty woeful apparently, looks like Blackberrys QNX software is either uses now or will be soon.

Jaguar Land Rover vehicles to use BlackBerry software - Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-blackberry-jaguar-landrover/jaguar-land-rover-vehicles-to-use-blackberry-software-idUSKBN1GY0G7)

[loanrangie]

Being a Land Rover it will probably be running on XP....Vista, XP works.

[donh54]

Vista, XP works.

Windows 3.11 - lower licensing cost, but still has (some) network support?

[blackrangie]

Windows 3.11 - lower licensing cost, but still has (some) network support?[emoji1787]

[DiscoMick]

Our Mazda can update on the home Wi-Fi if in range.

[ChookD2]

SOTA & FOTA is rolling out

Found this on another forum, I imagine Landrover will keep the positive reliability trend because of this, reducing dealer visits and saving JLR huge money.

Looks to update when you turn car off at home, ready when you restart, features tweaked or added, common problems or annoyances fixed, just like apple and android phones.

I imagine the new defender will have this

InControl Touch Pro 19A4: Version S19A_19.24.2-375121 Release Notes >> OVALNEWS.com – Always fanatical; Occasionally interesting Land Rover & Range Rover News (https://www.ovalnews.com/2019/08/incontrol-touch-pro-19a4-version-s19a_19-24-2-375121-release-notes.html)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190824/334176e35bb32e1941e21b0025fcbd62.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190824/1aaef7821ab3affa8abc9f3c0fa2062d.jpg

So do we know how the gay penguin couple are getting on with their egg? :lol2:

[blackrangie]

So do we know how the penguin couple are getting on with their egg? [emoji38]2:Haha..hmm..obviously CNN is having a slow news day [emoji51]

[scarry]

Our Mazda can update on the home Wi-Fi if in range.

I believe BMW have been doing this for a while as well.

[SBD4]

The posts regarding "The Last Overland" have been moved here:

The Last Overland: Singapore to London in a Series-1 (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/land-rover-history/271839-last-overland-singapore-london-series-1-a.html)

[Arapiles]

So do we know how the gay penguin couple are getting on with their egg? :lol2:

Expected to hatch in September:

Gay penguin couple given egg after failing to hatch stones at Berlin Zoo - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-15/male-penguin-couple-adopt-abandoned-egg-at-berlin-zoo/11415726)

[blackrangie]

New Defender Lego Model in more detail.

Do i think there will be bolt on flares on the new defender, no i think that is just how Lego do wide fenders, but certainly there would be some clues here. [emoji1417]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190825/3e14fda169b5165db6c1a4c1062831f7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190825/0f8d133e883b22f5176455e7816ddbda.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190825/c2ee61a2517c6edf5d1f5bfb6316f600.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190825/79b50c99e88fc3a6d761c307d8103303.jpg

[blackrangie]

YouTube (https://youtu.be/m5nQQQfTcWs)

Testing happening a few weeks out from reveal.

looks like high profile tyres and possible coils on the swb.

2 different LWBs as different roofs.

[TB]

Two weeks to go until... well I guess the only thing we can fully expect is the visual unveiling. That'll be nice but what I really want is a full specs and options list.

[rar110]

Are they really spy shots if JLR invite camera crew along and show them where on the track they should set up? [emoji38]

[blackrangie]

Two weeks to go until... well I guess the only thing we can fully expect is the visual unveiling. That'll be nice but what I really want is a full specs and options list.Apparently the online builder will go live at the same time.
I would say full specs will be avail from after LR press conference @ frankfurt on the 10thhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190826/64d214450ff3e1a802747b721e709f0e.jpg

[blackrangie]

Are they really spy shots if JLR invite camera crew along and show them where on the track they should set up? [emoji38]Hmm nah, its Nurburgring, most of the big mags have guys that send them vids constantly on all different cars. @ 3 seconds they look surprised to see.
You see another photographer at 6 seconds. At 47 seconds he is shooting a bmw.

However I believe you have to have a media licence to "legally" shoot at the ring (basicaly the ring has to approve the vids).

Could the camera guys have sources from the inside tipping when they are testing?, sure. Could they be tipped off officially? sure. Is it likely considering these guys camp out there all day, probably not.

Check this out. Nurburgring censorship [emoji20]

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsInDI2gj84&feature=youtu.be)

On another note, look at the wheels on the SWB @ ring & Lego, pretty much exact match.
Rear of roofrack how it has middle cutout for Ariel also matches the one seen on swb pilot in new york from memory.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190826/2f211650535f71cc02df4ba4528f35d8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190826/d5c6ecf2525a658e5529023fd334ad4d.jpg

[scarry]

Two weeks to go until... well I guess the only thing we can fully expect is the visual unveiling. That'll be nice but what I really want is a full specs and options list.

Also Aus delivery dates,prices,and colours,although appliance white will do me.[biggrin]

[Gregz]

So, with only a couple of weeks to go before reveal, time for the really important question....
- what colour will the reveal car(s) be ?
If you were marketing it, what would you choose?

[cjc_td5]

So, with only a couple of weeks to go before reveal, time for the really important question....
- what colour will the reveal car(s) be ?
If you were marketing it, what would you choose?

Camino Gold [biggrin][biggrin]

[blackrangie]

Also Aus delivery dates,prices,and colours,although appliance white will do me.[biggrin]First time I've ever heard appliance white as a thing [emoji23][emoji1417]

[TB]

Also Aus delivery dates,prices,and colours,although appliance white will do me.[biggrin]

Prices will be very interesting, though I realistically don't think I'll be a buyer for a number of years yet.

Have to agree with you on colour too. As much as I like the look of my Nara Bronze D4, and as much as I have a deep desire for something in a very British green, the damage that the Aussie scrub has inflicted on my side panels over the past 2 years makes appliance white an almost inevitable requirement for me.

[scarry]

Prices will be very interesting, though I realistically don't think I'll be a buyer for a number of years yet.

Have to agree with you on colour too. As much as I like the look of my Nara Bronze D4, and as much as I have a deep desire for something in a very British green, the damage that the Aussie scrub has inflicted on my side panels over the past 2 years makes appliance white an almost inevitable requirement for me.

Yes I love the nice colours as well,but after having a dark coloured D2,and other vehicles,never again.

Our later ones were all white,and the scratches polish out for good.no worries.

Although one we had was Maya Gold I think it was called,not bad either,didn’t show the dirt.

[blackrangie]

So, with only a couple of weeks to go before reveal, time for the really important question....
- what colour will the reveal car(s) be ?
If you were marketing it, what would you choose?The same colour as Goodwood 110, I want to order in that colour.[emoji7]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190826/1309839b20997b230fe3a4651361dfe6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190826/d73cc5139226f78a669723abdd149e55.jpg

[blackrangie]

Prices will be very interesting, though I realistically don't think I'll be a buyer for a number of years yet.

Have to agree with you on colour too. As much as I like the look of my Nara Bronze D4, and as much as I have a deep desire for something in a very British green, the damage that the Aussie scrub has inflicted on my side panels over the past 2 years makes appliance white an almost inevitable requirement for me.I have a "protect my car" wrap on my RRC, incredible stuff, get any colour and go hard in the bush with little worry of bush pinstripes, doesn't fade and can be polished.

Real Paint Protection for 4WD's. | Protect My Car - The very best protection for your car. Paint Protection Film, GTechniq Quartz Coatings (https://protectmycar.com.au/real-paint-protection-for-4wds/)

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[DiscoMick]

Wrapping sounds like a good thing. Is it expensive? Does it affect the clear cote underneath? Can it be DIY?

By the way, I like 'appliance white'.

[blackrangie]

Wrapping sounds like a good thing. Is it expensive? Does it affect the clear cote underneath? Can it be DIY?

By the way, I like 'appliance white'.Its a clear wrap, doesn't affect anything you can diy if you have time and lots of patience, when its removed your paints good as new, cant see it if done right.

[blackrangie]

Not sure if its official, but looks pretty right.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190826/21207a4b80636e768c1772fbde9ba16c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190826/d7f689350bcb828577605ffc0f31d2bd.jpg

[loanrangie]

I could throw a sheet over my D3 and it would look the same.

[loanrangie]

Oohh, ahh.

AULRO (Australian Landy Owners Group) public group | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/aulro/permalink/10156506624841186/)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190826/20c848843d8848fb4cb0dba9597566f2.jpg

[veebs]

That will do nicely, if real :-)

[Homestar]

If that is the real McCoy, it isn't bad - not sure abut the grill or headlight surrounds yet, but overall I'd give that a thumbs up.

[djambalawa]

If that is the real McCoy, it isn't bad - not sure abut the grill or headlight surrounds yet, but overall I'd give that a thumbs up.

I like it! Just need to sell a kidney now...

[blackrangie]

Someone's in trouble, but i can't see that not being it!
Bulging flares, checkplate, bonnet bulge, winch, hipline, flat windows, sloped roof, circular but modern lights, cant wait to se it with the tube bar, rack, sliders etc.
Hmm, wasnt considering black, but that's looking very tempting.

No LR badge still, anyone figure out whats going on in the background?

[JDNSW]

If its real I expect a takedown notice pretty soon!

[blackrangie]

What country is that plate?

[blackrangie]

If its real I expect a takedown notice pretty soon!Agreed, its kinda sad actually for LR, unless intentional for some reason i can't imagine.

[loanrangie]

I see tents so some kind of gathering, maybe another test track close to the factory since its a left hooker.

[Tombie]

First time I've ever heard appliance white as a thing [emoji23][emoji1417]

Fuji white is about that.. I love it. Black for accents.

[blackrangie]

I see tents so some kind of gathering, maybe another test track close to the factory since its a left hooker.My mate says its prob promo vid filming.

[blackrangie]

From another forum

August 28th @ 7PM EST – Press release with image & link to video will be released and available via GRMS
 September 5th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 7th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 9th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 10th – Global Reveal at Frankfurt Auto Show!
o Live feed at 4am EST; a link will be available to watch post reveal
o CRM communications to Defender hand raisers and current Land Rover owners announcing reveal (Sept 9th and 10th)
o Ordering guide will be available
o Vista Ordering Opens
o Defender Page Live on LandRoverUSA.com
o Vehicle Configurator Live on LandRoverUSA.com
o E-Brochure Live on LandRoverUSA.com & GRMS

[Tombie]

My mate says its prob promo vid filming.

Filming for new Bond film

[Homestar]

What country is that plate?

Russian

[blackrangie]

MechDesign.xyz on Twitter: "First photo of the new Land Rover #Defender (photo from the shooting of the new James Bond 007 movie)… " (https://twitter.com/MechDesignxyz/status/1166108157162262530)

[Jay1809]

Just seen this posted on Facebook on land Rover owners page.

Real or fake?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190827/a0556ddcf0a13815ac1dd233d7f09b2c.jpg

[scarry]

FAKE

[Gregz]

So, is that the baddies car or the goodies car ? Wonder if the winch gets used in the movie?

[ramblingboy42]

no more fake than whats been shown on 'wont be retro' or 'will be retro'

[DrytheRain]

Well, I don’t hate it, but would it have killed them to have given it a separate, tapered bonnet that just sat proud of the wing tops, maybe just as tall as that banding at the base of the window pillars? It would have shielded more of the wipers too.

The grille could stand to be deeper as well; either flatter overall, or the whole thing protruding a little.

I still think the bonnet shape is bizarre and I’ll bet that chequer plate is actually plastic. Maybe the aftermarket will come to the rescue, or it will be part of a subsequent facelift when the design of the front end has been suitably criticised by all and sundry. The overall shape looks a bit too OG Range Rover Sport as it is.

I do like what they’ve done with the headlights; modern, but the lineage is still there. The rest of the shape looks on point too, though there are a few fussy details. I’m still keen to see the rear, especially after the further leak of the Lego model the other day.

It will be interested to see specs and colours and I’m still hoping they spring a manual option on us, though I know there’s virtually no chance of that.

One final thought: I hope those front quarters are composite and easily replaceable. That ‘chequer plate’ isn’t protecting anything, so if they’re metal they’ll end up dented something terrible after the car’s first visit to the dealer workshop. It will also make designing a bar much harder if they can’t be trimmed up and the cost of repair or replacement will be eyewatering.

[ozscott]

Very fine looking automobile.

Cheers

[solmanic]

FAKE

I wouldn't be so sure. No evidence of photoshopping and it sure as hell looks like what the promo ones might be without camouflage. There is no way Land Rover could keep from having un-masked vehicles being spotted here and there this close to the launch. There will be demo models ready to roll out all over the place. When I was at the Solihull factory about a month before the Defender launch in 2007, they were rolling off the line already and even had one planted out the front of Eastnor Castle.

[Graekynn]

I don't hate it as a standalone vehicle, but don't see any link to the original that makes me feel this was an 'evolution' and that turns me right off. Admittedly this was what they were going for if all the marketing fluff we've listened to over the last few years is to be believed because they have no desire to retain the loyalists, only to secure a greater market share of the café culture by developing another discrover clone.

Sadly a missed opportunity, in my humble opinion, to design something that respects the iconic name of Defender while being a game changer i.e. the last true hardcore offroad vehicle in a neverending tide of SUVs and softroaders. I look forward to seeing them in school zones and woolies carparks across the country because I see nothing to distinguish it from a disco or a rangie, just different letters on the bonnet.

Will definitely be hanging onto mine, warts and all, because I bought a defender for the lineage and uncompromising focus on offroad ability, not for styling, brand identity or fancy gizmos.

[Homestar]

What do you mean 'no evolution'? That Defender badge on the front looks quite similar to the last one... [bigwhistle]

[ozscott]

It's hardly an evolution. Revolution would better describe. But Defender of the off-road roots of the brand, in the modern setting, it seems to be.

Cheers

[Homestar]

FAKE

I don't think so - it's said to be part of the filming of the new 007 film and with Russian plates, it's probably been blacked out from a standard unit as a 'Russian Mob' car. Will know soon enough though, first official photo from JLR is supposed to be released tomorrow, then a video I think the day after.

[blackrangie]

So, is that the baddies car or the goodies car ? Wonder if the winch gets used in the movie?Apparently bond villian was the rumour from a while back.

[blackrangie]

Well, I don’t hate it, but would it have killed them to have given it a separate, tapered bonnet that just sat proud of the wing tops, maybe just as tall as that banding at the base of the window pillars? It would have shielded more of the wipers too.

The grille could stand to be deeper as well; either flatter overall, or the whole thing protruding a little.

I still think the bonnet shape is bizarre and I’ll bet that chequer plate is actually plastic. Maybe the aftermarket will come to the rescue, or it will be part of a subsequent facelift when the design of the front end has been suitably criticised by all and sundry. The overall shape looks a bit too OG Range Rover Sport as it is.

I do like what they’ve done with the headlights; modern, but the lineage is still there. The rest of the shape looks on point too, though there are a few fussy details. I’m still keen to see the rear, especially after the further leak of the Lego model the other day.

It will be interested to see specs and colours and I’m still hoping they spring a manual option on us, though I know there’s virtually no chance of that.

One final thought: I hope those front quarters are composite and easily replaceable. That ‘chequer plate’ isn’t protecting anything, so if they’re metal they’ll end up dented something terrible after the car’s first visit to the dealer workshop. It will also make designing a bar much harder if they can’t be trimmed up and the cost of repair or replacement will be eyewatering.You can see here where the aftermarket bullbars will gohttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190827/95da49ad50fd0f3704b169b1de8d7d36.jpg

Links to original: round headlights, flat windows, flat rear, side opening rear, sloping roof, alpine windows, checker, rear spare, bonnet, capable, tough.

To me looks like a modernized version of the old one.

[p38arover]

I haven't looked at any threads in this section before but was alerted to the pic.

All I can say is that it's ugly. Let's hope it looks better in the "flesh".

[scarry]

FAKE

Have a look at the roof,looks like something no quite right,particularly at the front.
Although it could be the angle of the pic.

Oh,and I don’t want to get Blackie to excited[biggrin]

[Standard]

Oohh, ahh.

AULRO (Australian Landy Owners Group) public group | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/aulro/permalink/10156506624841186/)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190826/20c848843d8848fb4cb0dba9597566f2.jpgI know that beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder, but it looks much better than I expected.

[Melbourne Park]

I hope the rear quarter area is not blanked out ... that seems dangerous to me.

It sort of looks a bit like the Rav4 from two models ago in that pic. It seems quite narrow in that pic.

Also I still don't understand the benefits of a roo bar on a monocoque.

Same with towing too ... if one wants to keep a vehicle and tow with it, a chassis must be better.

But who knows, maybe I'd be eventually tempted. But with a cost jump from a D4 to a Defender, there's likely to lots of cash to be able to add more things to enhance and toughen up a D4 ...

I like the tyres / wheels / suspension travel / promise of toughness though. I hope they don't get greedy with price and that they provide a large price gap underneath the basic 4 cylinder D5's price. And that they sell a torquey engine option with Defender and for just a small price increase. Aim it at the towing market and they might sell heaps of them if they price it low enough. They'd need to be Ford Everest competitive on price IMO. Surely JLR would like to really compete with Ford in Australia.

[LRD414]

It's hardly an evolution. Revolution would better describe. But Defender of the off-road roots of the brand, in the modern setting, it seems to be.
This is a good summary I think. Looking more likely to be the successor to my D4 in a couple of years.

Cheers,
Scott

[blackrangie]

Also I still don't understand the benefits of a roo bar on a monocoque.

Same with towing too ... if one wants to keep a vehicle and tow with it, a chassis must be better.

But who knows, maybe I'd be eventually tempted. But with a cost jump from a D4 to a Defender, there's likely to lots of cash to be able to add more things to enhance and toughen up a D4 ...

I like the tyres / wheels / suspension travel / promise of toughness though. I hope they don't get greedy with price and that they provide a large price gap underneath the basic 4 cylinder D5's price. And that they sell a torquey engine option with Defender and for just a small price increase. Aim it at the towing market and they might sell heaps of them if they price it low enough. They'd need to be Ford Everest competitive on price IMO. Surely JLR would like to really compete with Ford in Australia.

Hmm, isnt the D5 known as one of the best tow rigs? Payload, tow weight, ball weight etc, stability, safety etc, if it towes anything like the D5, we should be fine.

Bullbar on monocoque, same benefits as body frame,(protect the body) there is just no rubber between body & frame.

Monocoque still has chassis and is probably stronger and stiffer than the current defender.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190827/3d09bada559cecaa899c417e30ef67d4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190827/90c9081e5fab421149f4fc00d8226e79.jpg

[scarry]

I know that beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder, but it looks much better than I expected.

I recon it looks great,but i also need to see it side on.

To fit a full bull bar like we need here in Aus,there will need to be a lot of ‘trimming’.

Hopefully it won’t be too difficult for the aftermarket guys.

[1950landy]

Looks like the ones I have seen photo's of that are being tested in Africa.

[Gregz]

Noticing the bonnet in the photo, looks like the seam is inner of the checker-plate, so the checker-plate does not lift with the bonnet. The bonnet seems quite narrow then. will be interesting to see inside re access to various components.

[blackrangie]

I recon it looks great,but i also need to see it side on.

To fit a full bull bar like we need here in Aus,there will need to be a lot of ‘trimming’.

Hopefully it won’t be too difficult for the aftermarket guys.You see the sway testing pic above? Looks like bumper lower etc just removes?

[16PMark]

Love it, but front looks, "Americany"....ish.
Just sayin. [emoji848]

[LRJim]

If it said ford above the winch it could pass as a ranger

[scarry]

You see the sway testing pic above? Looks like bumper lower etc just removes?

Yes i had a good look at that pic,but dismissed it as a way a bar would be fitted,it sits too low.
Sure the mounts may be utilised,for a bar of some type,but our bars come right up to just under the headlights.
So a lot needs to come off,be modified,and trimmed.

Anyway,all guesswork until it arrives.[biggrin]

[Homestar]

If it said ford above the winch it could pass as a ranger

Just after I read this I drive out of the Motel I was staying at - there are 2 Black Rangers side by side a few doors down - Makita Reps. Now you said that there is definitely a resemblance in the front ends... Headlights on the ranger are slightly wider but the angles of everything are pretty close. [emoji57]

[roverrescue]

Meh.

[roverrescue]

JLR trying to increase D5 sales by releasing an even uglier Luxo SUV

That has zero styling connection with a Defender and is a while world of ugly

S

[ozscott]

It was always going to be in the same general look at RR and D5 etc. But it's what's under the skin that counts. I would have disliked a Merc or original Defender homage. It's time to move on. I also think it looks terrific. If its half as good as i suspect it will sell very well. MTCW.

Cheers

[roverrescue]

I’m clearly a styling outlier in this Sub Forum

The last good looking Discovery was the D2a

The D5 although overly expensive and Uber-luxo SUV is less ugly than a D3/4

This monstrosity with non compound curves at the guards/ hip and roof line is hilarious!
They were trying to bring in styling from the defender but in playing with and modernising and linking to the other SUVs they have made it look silly!!!

This is purely my aesthetic styling opinion.

It is ugly 💁*♂️

It could be a good jigger but at $100k plus and no Ute option for the foreseeable future I’m not upset it’s so ugly as I won’t have to own one!!!

Steve

[goingbush]

Just seen this posted on Facebook on land Rover owners page.

Real or fake?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190827/a0556ddcf0a13815ac1dd233d7f09b2c.jpg


I just got a message from my mate in Moscow, he said this vehicle has Moscow rego and the photo was taken on a location of the new James Bond movie, you can see a lighting tripod and other lights in the reflection in the door.

[Arapiles]

I just got a message from my mate in Moscow, he said this vehicle has Moscow rego and the photo was taken on a location of the new James Bond movie, you can see a lighting tripod and other lights in the reflection in the door.

And the white ute in the background has a UK web address on the back of it, which supports the UK connection.

[scarry]

It certainly seems to have a wierd bonnet design.

Maybe the guards come off reasonably easily for access?

We will know for sure in a few weeks.

[blackrangie]

Mr Mod... could we please have this as a different thread? Probably in a different sub-forum? :)Yes please

[blackrangie]

I just got a message from my mate in Moscow, he said this vehicle has Moscow rego and the photo was taken on a location of the new James Bond movie, you can see a lighting tripod and other lights in the reflection in the door.Well spotted [emoji1419]

[Summiitt]

I like it, bloody annoyed that there will be no ute, but as one of the vehicles biggest fans, the old defender was done, Im looking forward to seeing what they have to offer, esp in the form of a 6 cylinder engine, maybe a commercial van option as per the past?? Bring it on!

[ramblingboy42]

If you go into any LR dealer and ask to see a D5 they will not have one. They don't have D5's listed.

The vehicle is a DISCOVERY.

Why do posters in this forum insist on calling the latest DISCOVERY a D5?

[ozscott]

Because it's the next in line from the D4 and it makes sense so that brand followers immediately know what vehicle is being discussed.

Cheers

[ozscott]

And...just like the new Defender will be likely known as "new Defender" or "Defender 2"...

[trout1105]

If you go into any LR dealer and ask to see a D5 they will not have one. They don't have D5's listed.

The vehicle is a DISCOVERY.

Why do posters in this forum insist on calling the latest DISCOVERY a D5?

I don't know why the D5 is called a Discovery as it doesn't have too much in common with its predecessors.
It belongs in the Range rover stable.
The reason why posters refer to it as the D5 is because it is the 5th "Discovery" to be built, Simple really.

[blackrangie]

I like it, bloody annoyed that there will be no ute, but as one of the vehicles biggest fans, the old defender was done, Im looking forward to seeing what they have to offer, esp in the form of a 6 cylinder engine, maybe a commercial van option as per the past?? Bring it on!Dont rule out a ute mate, I would bet its already been designed and could be getting tested. It will come.

[blackrangie]

I don't know why the D5 is called a Discovery as it doesn't have too much in common with its predecessors.


Like the D3 to the D2 [emoji57]

Without wanting to get off topic
D5 has more in common with d4 than d3 had with d2

[roverrescue]

BR
I thought it was you who only appreciated direct quotes from people (JLR).
Mr Cameron (CEO for Aus) was quoted as lamenting that Ute would not be forthcoming
Which would affect Aus more than ROW.

Chance of a Ute is about the same chance of this thing being revered and lived passionately around the globe in 30 years time...

S

[ozscott]

BR
I thought it was you who only appreciated direct quotes from people (JLR).
Mr Cameron (CEO for Aus) was quoted as lamenting that Ute would not be forthcoming
Which would affect Aus more than ROW.

Chance of a Ute is about the same chance of this thing being revered and lived passionately around the globe in 30 years time...

SI think much of that will be because of electric taking over from fossil fuels. Once they introduce a full EV version of Defender 2 it will go the distance even when battery packs need changing (And let's face it most Defenders 30 years on are Ned Kelly' axes [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]).

I don't see why enthusiasts won't keep Defender 2 on the road for decades. There are many enthusiasts (And other owners) who run Disco 2, 2 decades old and with no issues with reliability with electronics (or little to.cause major problems or that are not easily and cheaply fixable). Yep the new Defender will have a lot more electronics but if well built I can't see why it won't be around for 2 or more decades and putting a smile on the dial. In any event just because a vehicle might not be held onto for 30 years doesn't diminish it.



Cheers

[Homestar]

If you go into any LR dealer and ask to see a D5 they will not have one. They don't have D5's listed.

The vehicle is a DISCOVERY.

Why do posters in this forum insist on calling the latest DISCOVERY a D5?

JLR I'm sure know all too well that just because they call it one thing, doesn't mean the rest of the world will take up than name. D5 comes after D4 - pretty simple. If you ask any Land Rover owner about a discovery - they'll ask you which one - 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 - how else do you distinguish between them? It was just a silly marketing idea not to make it a D5, but everyone knows that is what they are...

[blackrangie]

I think much of that will be because of electric taking over from fossil fuels. Once they introduce a full EV version of Defender 2 it will go the distance even when battery packs need changing (And let's face it most Defenders 30 years on are Ned Kelly' axes [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]).

I don't see why enthusiasts won't keep Defender 2 on the road for decades. There are many enthusiasts (And other owners) who run Disco 2, 2 decades old and with no issues with reliability with electronics (or little to.cause major problems or that are not easily and cheaply fixable). Yep the new Defender will have a lot more electronics but if well built I can't see why it won't be around for 2 or more decades and putting a smile on the dial. In any event just because a vehicle might not be held onto for 30 years doesn't diminish it.



CheersAgreed, also in the post you replied to it was mentioned LR said no ute would be made, well no actually he said it wasn't currently planned to be sold worldwide, imo 100% one would be designed and maybe even being tested.
In contacts Land Rover are also on record saying that there will be a whole family of defenders.
The ute maybe just the 130 or they may do a Ute in all 3.
Time will tell

[blackrangie]

From another forum,


The C pillar thing we've all been talking about that looks to integrate with the ladder and jerry can holder--I don't see it on the SWB prototypes, but the Lego version is a SWB.

I've often wondered about the top of this thing. And even some of the latest videos of SWB versions with camo panels show that the top does not match what we see in the Tusk LWB. Look at the Tusk from the rear to see what I mean. But unless my quick browse of the current photos missed it, none of the SWB tops have the same look as the LWB Tusk version we've seen, especially when viewed from the rear; and none of them have the Lego version of the C pillar type of structure.

Could we be looking at SWB soft tops disguised under the camo panels? Could we be looking at SWB hybrid tops, as the Lego version seems to suggest, that the side panels are removable? Is Land Rover that creative?

I have not investigated this but thought id post it up as it's interesting.

[veebs]

And...just like the new Defender will be likely known as "new Defender" or "Defender 2"...

...or D6

[scarry]

...or D6

Many call it the D4 replacement,just to confuse everyone.[thumbsupbig]


We call the D5 a D5,but many that buy them and haven't had LR's before probably call them a DISCOVERY.

In forums all around the world,its called the D5.

[veebs]

Many call it the D4 replacement,just to confuse everyone.[thumbsupbig]


We call the D5 a D5,but many that buy them and haven't had LR's before probably call them a DISCOVERY.

In forums all around the world,its called the D5.

Makes sense to me - I was only pointing out the obvious, that the L660 defender this thread occasionally refers to is more likely to appeal to the type of D3/4 owners that frequent these forums. ie, it is the new, new discovery for people that go (or identify as going) offroad.

[Melbourne Park]

Hmm, isnt the D5 known as one of the best tow rigs? Payload, tow weight, ball weight etc, stability, safety etc, if it towes anything like the D5, we should be fine.

Bullbar on monocoque, same benefits as body frame,(protect the body) there is just no rubber between body & frame.

Monocoque still has chassis and is probably stronger and stiffer than the current defender.

Sub frames don't make a chassis. A monocoque doesn't have a chassis ... the only exception was the D3 and D4, and their Range Rover sport brothers.

As far as towing - in a chassis vehicle, the chassis takes the tow load. In a monocoque, those loads get distributed over the vehicle. As an example, in the 1970's, I towed a race sail boat (a 470) behind a Datsun ex rally car. The door sill under the driver's seat cracked. The rest of the body looked just fine. Creaks and groans occur over time in a monocoque that does lots of heavy towing. Hence why many say a chassis vehicle is best for towing. I wonder too about the alloy monocoque suffering from work hardening and fatigue from towing. Alloy changes its characteristics much more than steel when "worked".

Also it will cost a lot to make a monocoque Defender into a utility. Because without the roof, the monocoque will be weaker and it will flex like crazy. And unlike a Golf convertible or a BMW 3 series convertible, a ute will be supposed to be able to traverse tough off road environments, so its stiffness would need to be retained. So IMO an open topped ute tray Defender monocoque will cost a lot more than the wagon version. So IMO if you want an off road ute, best to look for a vehicle with a chassis.

As to the looks resembling a Ford - the D3 and D4 both look like Ford Rangers etc from the front IMO. Clamshell bonnet, headlamp look etc. And both were owned by Ford when they were designed.

[blackrangie]

Makes sense to me - I was only pointing out the obvious, that the L660 defender this thread occasionally refers to is more likely to appeal to the type of D3/4 owners that frequent these forums. ie, it is the new, new discovery for people that go (or identify as going) offroad.For sure the l663 will appeal to them too, and d1, rrc, current defender owners that wish it was safer, more economical, comfortable, cabable out of the box, then there are all the other brands that will finally take green oval plunge due to them finslly having something good looking, capable and durable.

[BradDS10]

Sub frames don't make a chassis. A monocoque doesn't have a chassis ... the only exception was the D3 and D4, and the Range Rover sport brothers.

As far as towing - in a chassis vehicle, the chassis takes the tow load. In a monocoque, those loads get distributed over the vehicle. As an example, in the 1970's, I towed a race sail boat (a 470) behind a Datsun ex rally car. The door sill under the driver's seat cracked. The rest of the body looked just fine. Creaks and groans occur over time in a monocoque that does lots of heavy towing. Hence why many say a chassis vehicle is best for towing.


Melbourne Park, a Moncoque is still considered a form of chassis - a Monocoque or Unibody chassis are typically where the body of the vehicle is designed and built to incorporate the chassis functions (i.e support the weight of the vehicle and perform any other function of a chassis). What you refer to as a "chassis" where the body of a vehicle is mounted to a separate frame or chassis is a Ladder Chassis or Body on Frame arrangement.

[loanrangie]

Sub frames don't make a chassis. A monocoque doesn't have a chassis ... the only exception was the D3 and D4, and their Range Rover sport brothers.

As far as towing - in a chassis vehicle, the chassis takes the tow load. In a monocoque, those loads get distributed over the vehicle. As an example, in the 1970's, I towed a race sail boat (a 470) behind a Datsun ex rally car. The door sill under the driver's seat cracked. The rest of the body looked just fine. Creaks and groans occur over time in a monocoque that does lots of heavy towing. Hence why many say a chassis vehicle is best for towing. I wonder too about the alloy monocoque suffering from work hardening and fatigue from towing. Alloy changes its characteristics much more than steel when "worked".

Also it will cost a lot to make a monocoque Defender into a utility. Because without the roof, the monocoque will be weaker and it will flex like crazy. And unlike a Golf convertible or a BMW 3 series convertible, a ute will be supposed to be able to traverse tough off road environments, so its stiffness would need to be retained. So IMO a ute will cost a lot more than the wagon version. So IMO if you want a ute, expect to buy a vehicle with a chassis.

As to the looks resembling a Ford - the D3 and D4 both look like Ford Rangers etc from the front IMO. Clamshell bonnet, headlamp look etc. And both were owned by Ford when they were designed.

You cant compare a Dato 1600 to any well built monocoque vehicle, the Pajero post 1999 would be a more accurate comparison.
Even Falcons made a reasonable tow vehicle and you dont hear of many of them cracking the subframe.

[Melbourne Park]

Melbourne Park, a Moncoque is still considered a form of chassis - a Monocoque or Unibody chassis are typically where the body of the vehicle is designed and built to incorporate the chassis functions (i.e support the weight of the vehicle and perform any other function of a chassis). What you refer to as a "chassis" where the body of a vehicle is mounted to a separate frame or chassis is a Ladder Chassis or Body on Frame arrangement.

Fact is that frame chassis arrangement is quite different and IMO semantics just confuses things. Vincenzo Lancia would be upset too.

[blackrangie]

Sub frames don't make a chassis. A monocoque doesn't have a chassis ... the only exception was the D3 and D4, and their Range Rover sport brothers.

As far as towing - in a chassis vehicle, the chassis takes the tow load. In a monocoque, those loads get distributed over the vehicle. As an example, in the 1970's, I towed a race sail boat (a 470) behind a Datsun ex rally car. The door sill under the driver's seat cracked. The rest of the body looked just fine. Creaks and groans occur over time in a monocoque that does lots of heavy towing. Hence why many say a chassis vehicle is best for towing. I wonder too about the alloy monocoque suffering from work hardening and fatigue from towing. Alloy changes its characteristics much more than steel when "worked".

Also it will cost a lot to make a monocoque Defender into a utility. Because without the roof, the monocoque will be weaker and it will flex like crazy. And unlike a Golf convertible or a BMW 3 series convertible, a ute will be supposed to be able to traverse tough off road environments, so its stiffness would need to be retained. So IMO an open topped ute tray Defender monocoque will cost a lot more than the wagon version. So IMO if you want an off road ute, best to look for a vehicle with a chassis.

As to the looks resembling a Ford - the D3 and D4 both look like Ford Rangers etc from the front IMO. Clamshell bonnet, headlamp look etc. And both were owned by Ford when they were designed.

Didnt say they subframes made anything. They are subframes that bolt onto the monocoque unibody.

Maybe you misunderstood what i wrote?

A unibody certainly does have a chassis or a base frame, its integrated into the body and not seperate like body on frame, my point was only that the way unibodys can be engineered is that they can end up much stronger and rigid so you gain in that regard.


So what “monocoque” 4x4s actually have is a chassis that is reinforced for stiffness and strength in some aspects by the body, so the body and chassis are one unit. This is known as unitary construction, a much less sexy term than monocoque which is why it probably hasn’t caught on. Maybe ‘body frame integral’ or ‘unibody’ will enter common parlance as these are also terms of unitary construction. The main advantages over separate-chassis are extra rigidity and overall lighter weight.

Monocoque 4X4s explained - should you be afraid? | Practical Motoring (https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/monocoque-4x4s-afraid/)

[Melbourne Park]

You cant compare a Dato 1600 to any well built monocoque vehicle, the Pajero post 1999 would be a more accurate comparison.
Even Falcons made a reasonable tow vehicle and you dont hear of many of them cracking the subframe.

Off topic but do a search on creaks and squeaks on monocoques that tow - such as the Falcon and Pajero. They squeak when you tow, and quiet when you don't. Guess why ... I have a 1997 Prado, bought new in 1997 - its light, and tows great. No squeaks at all.

But sure - monocoque is provides a stiff body normally. Monocoque big benefit IMO with an off road vehicle, is that it test drive for half an hour near the dealer's outlet, it handles much better and feels really strong and stiff.

Why not go far and make the motor stressed - it'd be even stiffer. But now the windscreens are too - and with their rain sensing electronic hardware - quite expensive to replace when their tensioned surface chips from a typical stone. We the customer pays for a new costly windscreen, the factory and retailers make their margin. Drop the door winders because electric ones now cost less. Leave it to the cost accountants to sign it all off.

[DiscoMick]

If the Ford Ranger can become an Escape and Toyota can make a Hilux into a wagon and Mitsubishi can do the same then I'm sure LR can do the same.

As for names, the Discovery was called the LR3/4 in the USA, which was stupid as LR makes other vehicles. Let's just call it the Discovery 5 and I look forward to the Defender 2.

[roverrescue]

This PDF for me kinda sums it up:

Left column top to bottom
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Right column top to bottom
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Personally (and I’ve owned a D1) I don’t consider the Discovery Iconic
It is a functional economical fourby.

And as the changes in Discovery over 30 years clearly show
There is very little Iconism the company is even trying to portray


Now looking at LR2020 or Defender2- that 007 Ruskie leak - assuming it is the real deal is a jump in styling so far from its predecessors that any claim of Iconic Lineage starts and stops at the letters on the bonnet. In 10-15years the Defender 4 or whatever will be as disparate from a 1985 county as D5 is from a D1.


My rambling point is that this thing is NOT a Defender....

Now I could go and show a 1989 cruiser Ute, a 99, 09 and a 2019 and you would see a similar pattern as my picture of defenders. It can be done JLR just didn’t want to.
A 2019 cruiser Ute is everything an 89 isn’t (safer, bigger, better) but it’s still a cruiser Ute

JLR are merely using the name and calling it Iconic

Sure it might be a banging SUV , excelling off road , never break down , never leak oil, easily navigate the woolies carpark....

But it’s not a Defender!!!!

Steve

[ozscott]

A D5 is not a D1 either....couldn't be further from a D1 but that doesn't stop LR. If LR kept developing the old jalopy Deefer instead of leaving it in yesteryear then we would be in exactly the same place arguably with Defender 2. So no it's not (thankfully) a Defender with some modern kit in it. And LR can call it what it wants.

Cheers

[Homestar]

My rambling point is that this thing is NOT a Defender....

Now I could go and show a 1989 cruiser Ute, a 99, 09 and a 2019 and you would see a similar pattern as my picture of defenders. It can be done JLR just didn’t want to.
A 2019 cruiser Ute is everything an 89 isn’t (safer, bigger, better) but it’s still a cruiser Ute

JLR are merely using the name and calling it Iconic

Sure it might be a banging SUV , excelling off road , never break down , never leak oil, easily navigate the woolies carpark....

But it’s not a Defender!!!!

Steve

Sure it is - it’s written right on the bonnet.. 😉

[16PMark]

Hope the new Bond film is good.
Love Bond films.
[emoji56]

[blackrangie]

A D5 is not a D1 either....couldn't be further from a D1 but that doesn't stop LR. If LR kept developing the old jalopy Deefer instead of leaving it in yesteryear then we would be in exactly the same place arguably with Defender 2. So no it's not (thankfully) a Defender with some modern kit in it. And LR can call it what it wants.

CheersYep its as much a defender as a d5 is a discovery, its no old defender for sure, some people will like that others won't. If they don't they can keep their old one or buy one, everyone's happy.

[blackrangie]

Hope the new Bond film is good.
Love Bond films.
[emoji56]Been looking at spy shots of filming, there is a RRS that is flipped in it too and lots of cars..looks like they are putting a lot off effort into it! Will be there first night for sure [emoji1419][emoji41]

[16PMark]

Hi blackrangie,

Awesome! I'll bring the drinks and popcorn! [emoji6] Hoping also, for an Aston Martin we don't know about too. [emoji41]
Been looking at spy shots of filming, there is a RRS that is flipped in it too and lots of cars..looks like they are putting a lot off effort into it! Will be there first night for sure [emoji1419][emoji41]

[Arapiles]

Sub frames don't make a chassis. A monocoque doesn't have a chassis ... the only exception was the D3 and D4, and their Range Rover sport brothers.

As others have said, a monocoque is a type of chassis.


As far as towing - in a chassis vehicle, the chassis takes the tow load. In a monocoque, those loads get distributed over the vehicle. As an example, in the 1970's, I towed a race sail boat (a 470) behind a Datsun ex rally car. The door sill under the driver's seat cracked. The rest of the body looked just fine. Creaks and groans occur over time in a monocoque that does lots of heavy towing. Hence why many say a chassis vehicle is best for towing ....

My dad's a farmer and spent decades towing cattle around with an old HR Holden - it might've stretched a little but there was no cracking.

[AK83]

.....

As far as towing - in a chassis vehicle, the chassis takes the tow load. In a monocoque, those loads get distributed over the vehicle. As an example, in the 1970's, I towed a race sail boat (a 470) behind a Datsun ex rally car. The door sill under the driver's seat cracked. The rest of the body looked just fine. Creaks and groans occur over time in a monocoque that does lots of heavy towing. Hence why many say a chassis vehicle is best for towing. ....


Errr.. dunno about this.
I reckon there's enough Triton owners here in Aus that will debate that claim!

A google search for cracked chassis will reveal many ladder frame chassis cracking events, very few monoque cracking hits tho.

A monocoque design will be stronger for a given body weight every time compared to a ladder frame.
And the ladder frame design will make it cheaper to build variant bodies for the manufacturer.

[Melbourne Park]

Errr.. dunno about this.....
A monocoque design will be stronger for a given body weight every time compared to a ladder frame.
And the ladder frame design will make it cheaper to build variant bodies for the manufacturer.

"Stronger" doesn't really describe the differences does it ... for torsional rigidity a monocoque is the cheapest way to get there, for sure. And for a given level of torsional rigidity, its lighter too, and much cheaper to build, plus it crushes better in a crash. Plus you can roll the floor pan into all sorts of different vehicles, the new Defender being a typical example of what contemporary cost accountants have decreed. Towing though with a chassis sees the stresses by pass the "cabin" which is not subjected to the tow weight strains.

If a chassis Defender had of been developed, street wise it would have been worse than this new monocoque one will be. And R&D cost would have been many many many times greater, because it would have been new. And IMO a version of the D3/4 concept would have been very heavy which is not a Defender hallmark and also costly. Rather than a conversion of current floorpans into something more off-road and evidently tougher.

It's great they've created a new "Defender". And they aren't making X5s or Audi Porsches etc. ie just essentially good handling softroaders. LR are differentiated and that differentiation goes back to their core off road heritage. While I'd have liked a chassis in the new "Defender", the cost of capital for developing a new chassis platform would have provided a much lower return than using that capital for other JLR projects that are coming. So doing a chassis Defender might have wrecked the company. We've got to be happy that they did something and who knows whether for me it will provide a tow option, or something that 3rd parties will want to develop off road gear for. And I note that ARB don't seem to list gear for the current Discovery models.

[blackrangie]

Errr.. dunno about this.
I reckon there's enough Triton owners here in Aus that will debate that claim!

A google search for cracked chassis will reveal many ladder frame chassis cracking events, very few monoque cracking hits tho.

A monocoque design will be stronger for a given body weight every time compared to a ladder frame.
And the ladder frame design will make it cheaper to build variant bodies for the manufacturer.

Agreed plus monocoque/unibody engineering has increased in leaps and bounds since the 70s, I can't see the D5 creaking and groaning, huge rubbers seprate the body/chassis and the subframes aswell.

[blackrangie]

"Stronger" doesn't really describe the differences does it ... for torsional rigidity a monocoque is the cheapest way to get there, for sure. And for a given level of torsional rigidity, its lighter too, and much cheaper to build, plus it crushes better in a crash. Plus you can roll the floor pan into all sorts of different vehicles, the new Defender being a typical example of what contemporary cost accountants have decreed. Towing though with a chassis sees the stresses by pass the "cabin" which is not subjected to the tow weight strains.

If a chassis Defender had of been developed, street wise it would have been worse than this new monocoque one will be. And R&D cost would have been many many many times greater, because it would have been new. And IMO a version of the D3/4 concept would have been very heavy which is not a Defender hallmark and also costly. Rather than a conversion of current floorpans into something more off-road and evidently tougher.

It's great they've created a new "Defender". And they aren't making X5s or Audi Porsches etc. ie just essentially good handling softroaders. LR are differentiated and that differentiation goes back to their core off road heritage. While I'd have liked a chassis in the new "Defender", the cost of capital for developing a new chassis platform would have provided a much lower return than using that capital for other JLR projects that are coming. So doing a chassis Defender might have wrecked the company. We've got to be happy that they did something and who knows whether for me it will provide a tow option, or something that 3rd parties will want to develop off road gear for. And I note that ARB don't seem to list gear for the current Discovery models.Adding to this, I saw a comment on a US forum saying that he knew that 2 well known aftermarket companies have had the plans for some time, we also know lucky 8 have seen the engine bay and are on record as being fully committed to the new defender, spoken to J.Austin Fab he is also going to be doing a variety of lifts. ARB, I have spoken to someone there, whilst nothing was confirmed, he would be surprised if they didn't get the first one off the boat.

D5 only been out for 2.5 ish years,as mentioned before you can now get everything from a winch bull bar, or winch mounts to proper sliders, multiple roof racks, RWC, Long range tank, proper rear storage systems with fridge slide etc, 18s and even a 6 inch lift kit.

Cant wait to see what the AU and US aftermarket comes up with for the New Defender.

Having said that, its interesting that it looks like it will not need anywere near the level of aftermarket modifying as most vehicles do to do a big lap, especially when taking into account what's going to be available from factory that's been spotted on pilots.

[blackrangie]

From another forum

August 28th @ 7PM EST – Press release with image & link to video will be released and available via GRMS
 September 5th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 7th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 9th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 10th – Global Reveal at Frankfurt Auto Show!
o Live feed at 4am EST; a link will be available to watch post reveal
o CRM communications to Defender hand raisers and current Land Rover owners announcing reveal (Sept 9th and 10th)
o Ordering guide will be available
o Vista Ordering Opens
o Defender Page Live on LandRoverUSA.com
o Vehicle Configurator Live on LandRoverUSA.com
o E-Brochure Live on LandRoverUSA.com & GRMS1hr to go if this is legit?

[djambalawa]

1hr to go if this is legit?

I googled GRMS but assume the Global Red Meat Standard folks aren't the ones doing the press release? Ah googling grms and landrover got it.. :)

So dealer etc system it seems.. might be some leaks hopefully!

[Melbourne Park]

Errr.. dunno about this.
I reckon there's enough Triton owners here in Aus that will debate that claim!

A google search for cracked chassis will reveal many ladder frame chassis cracking events, very few monoque cracking hits tho.

A monocoque design will be stronger for a given body weight every time compared to a ladder frame.
And the ladder frame design will make it cheaper to build variant bodies for the manufacturer.

Yeh I recall an off road Australian publication relished the bent chassis of a Defender that was towing outback. And in the USA lots of chassis issues often due to lack of salt removal. But then for towing, in the USA they mostly prefer a chassis vehicle for towing.

Come to think of it, so do Australians. This is what caravansales has to say -


The best tow vehicles are big and heavy, so not always great as daily runabouts
A tow rating well above the van's loaded weight is preferable
Tow ball mass rating needs to be sufficient too, and remain so even when the tow vehicle is loaded up
Ideally the tow vehicle should weigh as much if not more than the trailer
Ladder frame chassis is generally preferable to a monocoque construction
Diesel engines offer better overall performance and fuel efficiency when towing

[blackrangie]

Someone on another forum found this!

Short but on on big screen with sound and 1080p

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6LCgT7zDDM)

Im guessing its this onehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190828/ced297ed64a2f5033cf6541ceacde30f.jpg

[Chops]

I think some of us are forgetting why the “old Defender “ was stopped. Something to do with safety standards if I recall correctly.
I’m guessing ladder chassis is not as safe as monocoque.

[blackrangie]

I think some of us are forgetting why the “old Defender “ was stopped. Something to do with safety standards if I recall correctly.
I’m guessing ladder chassis is not as safe as monocoque.Pretty much, the main reason i think was emissions laws in EU from 2020 but safety is also a large part for fleet sales and US sales etc i would say.

[blackrangie]

NEW LAND ROVER DEFENDER EXPEDITION 001: FROM THE CENTRE OF THE EARTH TO ITS WORLD PREMIERE AT THE FRANKFURT MOTOR SHOW | Land Rover (https://media.landrover.com/news/2019/08/new-land-rover-defender-expedition-001-centre-earth-its-world-premiere-frankfurt-motor)

THE NEW LAND ROVER DEFENDER EXPEDITION 001: FROM THE CENTER OF THE EARTH TO ITS WORLD PREMIERE AT THE FRANKFURT MOTOR SHOW

The New Land Rover Defender begins first overland expedition in the remote Valley of the Castles on the Kazakhstan / China border
 Global debut: The New Land Rover Defender will make its world premiere at the Frankfurt Motor Show, at 4:00 AM EDT (09:00 BST/10:00 CEST) on Tuesday, September 10
 First glimpse: The New Defender tackles remote Valley of the Castles, Kazakhstan, on its first expedition en route to Frankfurt, Germany
 Livestream: Watch the reveal of the New Defender from 4:00 AM EDT (09:00 BST/10:00 CEST) on the Land Rover brand’s YouTube and Facebook pages
 Defender in action: See the New Defender begin the journey to its reveal here: cSFCjBfKj4g

(MAHWAH, NJ) - August 28, 2019 - Land Rover has given a first glimpse of the New Defender ahead of its world premiere at the Frankfurt Motor Show on September 10.
The road to reveal for the Land Rover brand’s most capable and durable 4x4 started in one of the most land-locked locations on earth, among the towering nearly (1,000 ft) 300m canyons of the Valley of the Castles in the remote Charyn Canyon, Kazakhstan.
Across seven decades of pioneering innovation, Land Rover vehicles have earned a unique place in the hearts of explorers, humanitarian agencies and adventurous families across the world. Proven in the harshest environments on earth, the New Defender maintains this bloodline.
Beside the peerless luxury and refinement of the Range Rover family and the highly capable and versatile Discovery SUVs, the New Defender completes the Land Rover dynasty.
Driven by a passion and respect for the original, the New Defender delivers transformational breadth of capability and advanced all-terrain technologies to redefine adventure for the 21st century, while remaining true to the pioneering spirit that has been a Land Rover hallmark for 71 years.

Useful links
 See the New Defender on its way to Frankfurt here: cSFCjBfKj4g
 Tune into the Land Rover brand’s YouTube and Facebook channels to watch the global reveal of the New Land Rover Defender at 4:00 AM EDT (09:00 BST/10:00 CEST) on September 10.
 Register your interest at: www.landroverusa.com/defender/index.html (http://www.landroverusa.com/defender/index.html)


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[blackrangie]

So reveal being 9:50am Thursday CEST time is:

5:50pm Thursday 10/09/2019 Australian (GMT+10) time.

In Cal.[emoji41]

[SBD4]

The road to reveal for the Land Rover brand’s most capable and durable 4x4 started in one of the most land-locked locations on earth, among the towering nearly (1,000 ft) 300m canyons of the Valley of the Castles in the remote Charyn Canyon, Kazakhstan.

Very clever if they do use that particular Defender unwashed as the reveal car after travelling from there to Frankfurt (if that is what they are doing). I assume it is, based on the "Expedition 001" reference.

[SBD4]

Received this morning



Dear Sean,


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/newreply.php'do=postreply&t=273110


We’ve tested it to the extreme and now the New Land Rover Defender will make its world premiere at the Frankfurt Motor Show on Tuesday 10th September 2019.

The New Land Rover Defender completed its first tough overland assignment among the towering 300m canyons in Kazakhstan.

Now, Land Rover’s most capable 4x4 will travel on its road to reveal from the remote Valley of the Castles, Kazakhstan to Frankfurt.

[roverrescue]

Thanks BR
I know I may have seemed a dick in this thread and others
But I am a died in the wool defender tragic and that press release and image of Defender bonnet gets the blood pumping!
Will tune in after work to see some video!

Chances are I won’t love the aesthetic of this thing
But I’ll still appreciate it.

Until there is / if there is a ute I can’t see me owning one but it’s still a bit exciting after all the marketing BS and camo rubbish

Steve

[Melbourne Park]

Seems like there might be three families to JLR off road labels:
Range Rover
Discovery
Defender

From the sound of the pre view of the new Defender ...

Doug

[SBD4]

Seems like there might be three families to JLR off road labels:
Range Rover
Discovery
Defender

From the sound of the pre view of the new Defender ...
Yes that's right, that has been stated by Land Rover for quite a few years now.

[blackrangie]

Thanks BR
I know I may have seemed a **** in this thread and others
But I am a died in the wool defender tragic and that press release and image of Defender bonnet gets the blood pumping!
Will tune in after work to see some video!

Chances are I won’t love the aesthetic of this thing
But I’ll still appreciate it.

Until there is / if there is a ute I can’t see me owning one but it’s still a bit exciting after all the marketing ** and camo rubbish

SteveNo wozzas, nah your just a passionate fan of defenders, i get it. [emoji1422]

[blackrangie]

Can anybody get any better screenshots?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/be70f89c6a487e625cb61efbf87ce3db.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/1c77fa685892a1243643e96680ad460f.jpg

[Melbourne Park]

Can anybody get any better screenshots?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/be70f89c6a487e625cb61efbf87ce3db.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/1c77fa685892a1243643e96680ad460f.jpg

What is the source of the photo?

Good news from your photo is that it looks to me that the rear side windows extend back a long way, unlike in the camouflaged versions.

There appears to be a spare tyre on the back door of that vehicle too?

[blackrangie]

What is the source of the photo?

Good news from your photo is that it looks to me that the rear side windows extend back a long way, unlike in the camouflaged versions.

There appears to be a spare tyre on the back door of that vehicle too?The video above in 1080p

[Melbourne Park]

...

A monocoque design will be stronger for a given body weight every time compared to a ladder frame.
And the ladder frame design will make it cheaper to build variant bodies for the manufacturer.

Here's a recent report on an old D3 that hit a new Pajero:
Discovery 3 vs Pajero Sport (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/273618-discovery-3-vs-pajero-sport.html)

IMO the D3 seems a bit stronger.



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by blackrangie https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l660-defender/273110-will-retro-post2933987.html#post2933987)
The video above in 1080p




Darn my Mac Pro notebook is not recognising a video, darn darn darn it ...

[Melbourne Park]

..

[ozscott]

Here's a recent report on an old D3 that hit a new Pajero:
Discovery 3 vs Pajero Sport (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/273618-discovery-3-vs-pajero-sport.html)

IMO the D3 seems a bit stronger.Pajero Sport is much smaller and lighter vehicle than a Pajero.

The D3 which Jeremy Clarkson said had it's own gravity, has both a separate chassis and mono construction making it incredibly strong. And...the one in question was wearing a solid steel bull Bar...
Cheers

[blackrangie]

..Youtube: The new land rover defender in frankfurt.

Go windows [emoji6]

[101RRS]

Seems like there might be three families to JLR off road labels:
Range Rover
Discovery
Defender

From the sound of the pre view of the new Defender ...

Doug

Yes and because of the similarity of the vehicles all competing with each other for market share rather than each "brand" targeting a particular segement and competing with other makers in those segments.

Eg the RRS main competitor is the FFRR and vice versa, no one is buying the D5 so it is not competing with anyone at the moment but when the new Defender is released it will compete and beat the D5.

Overall - I don't think companies like Toyota, BMW, Audi have a lot to worry about with current LR products.

Garry

[Melbourne Park]

Pajero Sport is much smaller and lighter vehicle than a Pajero.

The D3 which Jeremy Clarkson said had it's own gravity, has both a separate chassis and mono construction making it incredibly strong. And...the one in question was wearing a solid steel bull Bar...
Cheers
Yes -attached to the seperate chassis. If the solid steel bull bar was attached to the monocoque, the bull bar would have caused the crush zones in monocoque to deform. Resulting in not just the right corner of that Pajero collapsing, but instead, the whole front of the P S would have crushed in, although I'd suggest with less depth of intrusion. But still a likely right off IMO. That Pajero was likely written off IMO.

Bull bars work well on a separate chassis in preserving the vehicle IMO in what I would call low impacts . Which IMO that Pajero Sport inflicted a low impact to the D3.

The issue of vehicle mass, as mentioned: The Pajero Sport suffered a heavier hit to it than did the D3, due to the mass of the D3 being greater, which resulted in what I would call more than a low impact to the Pajero Sport. For instance, if the vehicle impacting the D3 had of been a VW Polo, there would have been even more damage to the Polo than there was to the Pajero IMO.

Before buying my 1997 Prado, back in 1996 I looked at deaths and damage to passengers and drivers via published statistics in NSW, which were available back then. The safest vehicles back then, 4 were 4WDs. The safest being the Holden Jackaroo (made by Izuzu and sold into the USA as a Honda curiously). The only non 4WD in the top 5 was an E class Mercedes, the W124 series, which came in 4th. The reality back then was that in suburban environments a heavy 4WD was comparatively very safe. Hitting a tree in the countryside though, you'd be better off in a vehicle with advanced crush zones, variable rate air bags and active safety including pre-emptive braking etc.

I also think a heavy tow vehicle is safer when towing as well, due to simple physics. But towing is not a significant requirement in most countries IMO. Its a niche in Australia though and I'd bet the D4 would have been very popular if it had of had the Toyota service network.

If you want to add things to an off road vehicle - wheel carriers, fuel and water carriers, fuel tanks, bull bars, winches, it's straight forward with a ladder frame chassis and also the stress of the extra weight from the accessories does not effect the cabin or the doors etc. of the vehicle, which the exception of roof racks extras. Not so with a monocoque which distributes those stresses throughout the whole entity.

[blackrangie]

Yes and because of the similarity of the vehicles all competing with each other for market share rather than each "brand" targeting a particular segement and competing with other makers in those segments.

Eg the RRS main competitor is the FFRR and vice versa, no one is buying the D5 so it is not competing with anyone at the moment but when the new Defender is released it will compete and beat the D5.

Overall - I don't think companies like Toyota, BMW, Audi have a lot to worry about with current LR products.

GarryActually there are approx as many d5s sold as RR vogues worldwide, from memory 1/4 are from the states, in oz last month or the month before sales were comparible with the RRS, not bad for only 2.5years out.

[blackrangie]

Yes -attached to the seperate chassis. If the solid steel bull bar was attached to the monocoque, the bull bar would have caused the crush zones in monocoque to deform. Resulting in not just the right corner of that Pajero collapsing, but instead, the whole front of the P S would have crushed in, although I'd suggest with less depth of intrusion. But still a likely right off IMO. That Pajero was likely written off IMO.

Bull bars work well on a separate chassis in preserving the vehicle IMO in what I would call low impacts . Which IMO that Pajero Sport inflicted a low impact to the D3.

The issue of vehicle mass, as mentioned: The Pajero Sport suffered a heavier hit to it than did the D3, due to the mass of the D3 being greater, which resulted in what I would call more than a low impact to the Pajero Sport. For instance, if the vehicle impacting the D3 had of been a VW Polo, there would have been even more damage to the Polo than there was to the Pajero IMO.

Before buying my 1997 Prado, back in 1996 I looked at deaths and damage to passengers and drivers via published statistics in NSW, which were available back then. The safest vehicles back then, 4 were 4WDs. The safest being the Holden Jackaroo (made by Izuzu and sold into the USA as a Honda curiously). The only non 4WD in the top 5 was an E class Mercedes, the W124 series, which came in 4th. The reality back then was that in suburban environments a heavy 4WD was comparatively very safe. Hitting a tree in the countryside though, you'd be better off in a vehicle with advanced crush zones, variable rate air bags and active safety including pre-emptive braking etc.

I also think a heavy tow vehicle is safer when towing as well, due to simple physics. But towing is not a significant requirement in most countries IMO. Its a niche in Australia though and I'd bet the D4 would have been very popular if it had of had the Toyota service network.

If you want to add things to an off road vehicle - wheel carriers, fuel and water carriers, fuel tanks, bull bars, winches, it's straight forward with a ladder frame chassis and also the stress of the extra weight from the accessories does not effect the cabin or the doors etc. of the vehicle, which the exception of roof racks extras. Not so with a monocoque which distributes those stresses throughout the whole entity.Maybe you could start a mono vs chassis thread?

[Melbourne Park]

Maybe you could start a mono vs chassis thread?

Not here - JLR have discarded the idea.

[Old Farang]

Not here - JLR have discarded the idea.


Ladder Frame vs Monocoque (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/273705-ladder-frame-vs-monocoque.html)

[101RRS]

Actually there are approx as many d5s sold as RR vogues worldwide, from memory 1/4 are from the states, in oz last month or the month before sales were comparible with the RRS, not bad for only 2.5years out.

But given their target segments, there should be 10 times the number of D5s sold compared to RR Vogues. Clearly highlights what a dud the D5 has turned out to be in marketing terms, both here and globally.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

maybe because it doesnt look like a disco,,, Mr McGovern ****ed up there I reckon... and the proof is in the sales...

[Tombie]

But given their target segments, there should be 10 times the number of D5s sold compared to RR Vogues. Clearly highlights what a dud the D5 has turned out to be in marketing terms, both here and globally.

D5 is selling all they can build, how is that a dud?

[Tombie]

maybe because it doesnt look like a disco,,, Mr McGovern ****ed up there I reckon... and the proof is in the sales...

They are selling as fast as they can build them.

Perhaps it’s because everyone is holding out to see the new Defender. I am, otherwise a D5 would be in the driveway.

[scarry]

D5 is selling all they can build, how is that a dud?

It is the lowest selling model of LR's at the moment,world wide.

I recon the new Defender will probably steal a good few of its probable sales in the next few years.

There are six parked out the front of the local Dealer if anyone wants one all different colours including appliance white...[bighmmm]

[ozscott]

They are selling as fast as they can build them.

Perhaps it’s because everyone is holding out to see the new Defender. I am, otherwise a D5 would be in the driveway.I'm in the same boat. I am in 2 minds about a new 4wd. But to the extent that I'm thinking of a new one I don't like anything much except D5 (And I have some reservations but otherwise it's the best of what's available)...until...new Defender spy shots and some detail revealed and that gave me happy pause. I wanted another LR but didn't really love any of them and the Deefer sounds like something I would.

Cheers

[blackrangie]

But given their target segments, there should be 10 times the number of D5s sold compared to RR Vogues. Clearly highlights what a dud the D5 has turned out to be in marketing terms, both here and globally.The discovery was brought closer to the Range Rover with the discovery 5.. most people buying them all be spending between 100 and 150 if they tick lots of boxes.. barebones can still be had for much cheaper.

[blackrangie]

maybe because it doesnt look like a disco,,, Mr McGovern ****ed up there I reckon... and the proof is in the sales...Double and almost tripple the sales of the current defender last time I checked, if you're right then what does that say about the current defenders looks etc? [emoji848]

[blackrangie]

They are selling as fast as they can build them.

Perhaps it’s because everyone is holding out to see the new Defender. I am, otherwise a D5 would be in the driveway.Im also in this boat, especially after the rear drawer setups got released.

[blackrangie]

It is the lowest selling model of LR's at the moment,world wide.

I recon the new Defender will probably steal a good few of its probable sales in the next few years.

There are six parked out the front of the local Dealer if anyone wants one all different colours including appliance white...[bighmmm]There are six there because they are selling, has been almost as many D5s in Australia sold recently as Range Rover sports [emoji6]

[Pedro_The_Swift]

D5 is selling all they can build, how is that a dud?

Like all LR's,, they are only built after someone pays money......
so yes,, they are selling all they can build...

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Double and almost tripple the sales of the current defender last time I checked, if you're right then what does that say about the current defenders looks etc? [emoji848]


???

Everything else LR has ever sold, sold double/tripple defender sales

thats why it stopped....

[blackrangie]

Like all LR's,, they are only built after someone pays money......
so yes,, they are selling all they can build...I do agree with this, slovakia now has pretty big capability, 40+k sales is similar to RRVogue numbers and around 2.5x defender sales so not a sales dud by any means especially considering how much the average sale price would be.
Lets say 40,000 @ 125k each:
Thats half a billion in sales [emoji15]

[blackrangie]

???

Everything else LR has ever sold, sold double/tripple defender sales

thats why it stopped....Basically if the disco is a dud and sells 40k and the defender only sells 20k on a good year, what are you saying about the defender. Sale price have to also be taken into account, easy to sell 200,000 of 25k cars
Its much harder to sell 50,000 of 100k cars and so on.

Numbers drop usually higher up the market, you simply just dont have to sell as many for the same return.

[blackrangie]

New from insty based off bond, will put up artist when i find it again.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/18a231166d1c0efe06a14f681512b9fb.jpg

[Arapiles]

Here's a recent report on an old D3 that hit a new Pajero:
Discovery 3 vs Pajero Sport (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/273618-discovery-3-vs-pajero-sport.html)

IMO the D3 seems a bit stronger.

Unfortunately for your argument, the Pajero Sport isn't monocoque - it has a ladder chassis. Since it's actually the Triton ute turned into a wagon. And it has no relationship to the actual Pajero, they just borrowed the name at the last update: it used to be called the Challenger.

So, in other words the D3 - which has a monocoque body sitting on a ladder chassis - came out largely intact while the ladder chassis vehicle's bodywork crumpled. QED.

[16PMark]

Arapiles,

Me thinks the D3 came out "largely intact", due to the fact it was wearing a bullbar....
What do you think both cars would look like if the D3 wasn't wearing the bar???
What if the Paj Sport was wearing a bullbar?
What if both were wearing a bullbar??

Edit; not to mention the fact the point of impact was not central.

[cripesamighty]

Going to the extreme end, the Disco 3/4 series of vehicles can save it's occupants in pretty big impacts even without a bullbar. The link below is from 2009 or thereabouts.


HORRIFIC ACCIDENT WITH A D3 IN SOUTH AFRICA (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/141338-horrific-accident-d3-south-africa.html)

[SBD4]

Mod hat on. Back on topic please people.

[blackrangie]

Going to the extreme end, the Disco 3/4 series of vehicles can save it's occupants in pretty big impacts even without a bullbar. The link below is from 2009 or thereabouts.


HORRIFIC ACCIDENT WITH A D3 IN SOUTH AFRICA (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/141338-horrific-accident-d3-south-africa.html)There's is a thread on chassis/mono posted above [emoji1422][emoji1417]

[blackrangie]

YouTube (https://youtu.be/hfUVr0Ae4n0)

Selected Land Rover fans were invited to Gaydon, UK, to have a look at the new Defender ahead of everyone else. Reactions? Look for yourself!

#TeamDefender | Der neue Defender | Land Rover (https://www.landrover.de/defender/team-defender/index.html)

Can anybody translate?[emoji1787] they certainly don't look disappointed [emoji41] https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/40f467aba6c8ec7ff8024bffb5922611.jpg

[blackrangie]

Just heard from my dealer that for AU people will be able to configure a new defender online and place orders with dealers the morning after the reveal.. I'm hoping the builder goes live at reveal but i guess the next morning is ok too. [emoji6]

Build slots will be confirmed Nov, with deliveries for the 110 mid 2020 & deliveries of the 90 about 6 months later.

[roverrescue]

BR
At least by mid 2020 delivery for Aus
The poms will have started to iron the bugs out!
At least enough so you’re aware of what to hassle the dealer about!

Also gives ARB 6 months to ramp up production of a reasonable front bar?

S

[blackrangie]

BR
At least by mid 2020 delivery for Aus
The poms will have started to iron the bugs out!
At least enough so you’re aware of what to hassle the dealer about!

Also gives ARB 6 months to ramp up production of a reasonable front bar?

SHow much quicker do you think the uk will get there's before considering they are being made in Slovakia.

Will have SOTA too so niggling software issues should be no dramas.

Im not to concerned about the rest of it with all the testing, but I'm sure things will pop up, just not much.

With front bar if the factory tube/winch bar looks good enough ill be ticking that box, if and when something better pops up, ill swap it out then, hopefully ARB can have all the hard yards with plans done before the grab the first one off the ship and test it when it arrives

[roverrescue]

UK will for sure have delivery this year
What’s it take go to whoa to churn out a single vehicle in the new Slovakian factory?
Surely they have it setup to be taking only a few shifts to roll out the door
Order on the 10th on a car carrier to the motherland by 15th delivery soon after

6 month delay for Aus incorporates time to let EU and US market delivery as they are more important than Aus plus longer shipping time

Heck the factory is probably at half production already



Oh and don’t kid yourself - testing means nothing
They tested the D2 for a million miles and it still had gremlins
D5 had gremlins

Just be happy you have 6 months of beta testing by some other schmuck!!!

S

[blackrangie]

UK will for sure have delivery this year
What’s it take go to whoa to churn out a single vehicle in the new Slovakian factory?
Surely they have it setup to be taking only a few shifts to roll out the door
Order on the 10th on a car carrier to the motherland by 15th delivery soon after

6 month delay for Aus incorporates time to let EU and US market delivery as they are more important than Aus plus longer shipping time

Heck the factory is probably at half production already



Oh and don’t kid yourself - testing means nothing
They tested the D2 for a million miles and it still had gremlins
D5 had gremlins

Just be happy you have 6 months of beta testing by some other schmuck!!!

S

Sounds good and hope your right re: UK and US, good to get the US aftermarket testing their gear asap, Lucky8 have seen the engine bay so who knows what that means.

Respectfully testing technology and engineering has come a very long way since the Discovery 2 was tested prior to 1998 21+ years ago, so as I said before time not too worried, about the engineering side of things or the software, there will be niggling software issues which will be taking care of by SOTA, and as I said before largely the engineering will be fine however there will be issues that pop up for sure like any car.

I dont wish ill on anyone so I hope most people have an enjoyable experience from day 1.

[blackrangie]

If Defender Ornkey owned the new defender [emoji1787][emoji1417] can someone please fix the tubebar on the left?
Not sure who made this but prob Ornkey for marketing.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/b2d4f640b662de58be0b1f673fb18d56.jpg

[roverrescue]

BR your faith in JLR engineering is admirable
There will be issues.

Accept that and just be happy you are not vehicle number 1


That render you posted looks even uglier than the 007 photo
WTF is those flares and wide tyres
And silly tube bar

S

[DiscoMick]

The engines and transmission are already tried and true, so there should not be any issues with them.

[speleomike]

The engines and transmission are already tried and true, so there should not be any issues with them.

But when you integrate 1 engine + 1 transmission into a new vehicle design you don't get 2.0. You get 1.95 and 0.05 bugs.

Mike

[p38arover]

This new one will increase the value of real Defenders!

[scarry]

I don't care how much testing they have done,i would wait for the update model,probably take two years.

You only have to look how much better the last of the D3,and the D4 was than the first year or so of the D3,which had heaps of issues first up.

Even the first of the D5 had a few issues.

My pick would be the big diesel,as long as it doesn't cost an arm and a kidney.It hasn't really been tested at all in the real world yet,particularly in AUS.Has been in the UK for a few months,not long.

Thats if its going to be available in the Defender.

The ZF 8 speed is a cracker and its been well tested,so it should be fine

[incisor]

That render you posted looks even uglier than the 007 photo
WTF is those flares and wide tyres
And silly tube bar

S

looks like a rav4 .....

[blackrangie]

BR your faith in JLR engineering is admirable
There will be issues.

Accept that and just be happy you are not vehicle number 1


That render you posted looks even uglier than the 007 photo
*** is those flares and wide tyres
And silly tube bar

S

Mate, both my posts above say there will be issues, but nothing imo that will be anything to write home about.

I would be very happy being number one vehicle.. would probably put it in storage and buy another one [emoji1787]

The Photoshop i posted is someone (not me) having fun adding defender 90 ornkeys off-road gear onto, its a lazy Photoshop, but worth a post all the same.
Dont like it, cool beans.[emoji1417]

[blackrangie]

I don't care how much testing they have done,i would wait for the update model,probably take two years.

You only have to look how much better the last of the D3,and the D4 was than the first year or so of the D3,which had heaps of issues first up.

Even the first of the D5 had a few issues.

My pick would be the big diesel,as long as it doesn't cost an arm and a kidney.It hasn't really been tested at all in the real world yet,particularly in AUS.Has been in the UK for a few months,not long.

Thats if its going to be available in the Defender.

The ZF 8 speed is a cracker and its been well tested,so it should be fineIf there is an update and its better for some major reason, ill make that call at that point, i certainly am not waiting another couple of years, testing they are putting into both pre pilots in factory and out of factory, is more than enough for me.

[blackrangie]

Few screenshots from the latest video.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/ee02b9bf83fb156cf345297c583cb777.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/e25bfbb58531df6427eabad9df2afee9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/509cafb0f554988f79bf28934214e5b1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/300c1df38af1e9543a50bc27eed72f24.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/207d01251690e489843850e8e2762852.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/dcc41be46cf45d490e98f74e50281ab6.jpg

[rar110]

looks like a rav4 .....

On steroids. Hopefully as reliable.

[goingbush]

If Defender Ornkey owned the new defender [emoji1787][emoji1417] can someone please fix the tubebar on the left?
Not sure who made this but prob Ornkey for marketing.


Only one way that image can be fixed

http://goingbush.com/AULRO/fixed.jpg

[plusnq]

l
Only one way that image can be fixed

http://goingbush.com/AULRO/fixed.jpg

That looks more back to the future than James Bond :) :) :)

[blackrangie]

Only one way that image can be fixed

http://goingbush.com/AULRO/fixed.jpg[emoji1787] cmon gb i know you can improve the body pic, here's another lazy Photoshop by someone else.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/7da7778067c036f695cf98cfa6cf637e.jpg

[Homestar]

Can someone photoshop those aweful headlights out for something else? 😉

[Vern]

Can someone photoshop those aweful headlights out for something else? [emoji6]Angry eyes! All the cool kids have them