Will be Retro

[ChookD2]

YouTube (https://youtu.be/hfUVr0Ae4n0)

Selected Land Rover fans were invited to Gaydon, UK, to have a look at the new Defender ahead of everyone else. Reactions? Look for yourself!

#TeamDefender | Der neue Defender | Land Rover (https://www.landrover.de/defender/team-defender/index.html)

Can anybody translate?[emoji1787] they certainly don't look disappointed [emoji41] https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/40f467aba6c8ec7ff8024bffb5922611.jpg

Just because I had nothing better to do, [tonguewink] here is the best I can come up with using google translate. All the non-english on the centre of screen and what each individual said translated from the bottom of screen.

this is the new land rover defender
Welcome to a little experiment
We have some of the biggest defender fans
Invited to our public automobile plant
you can now experience the events exclusively through the eyes of defender fans
“I expect a real revolution”
“I expect to be overwhelmed and convinced”
“I expect a great moment”
“he has something spartan but at the same time something tangible”
“he redefines resilience”
“he has power and personality, a lot of personality”
“I think he succeeded very well”
the waiting is going to end soon. In a short time, you too can see the new defender

And now back to normal programing. [biggrin]

[goingbush]

Can someone photoshop those aweful headlights out for something else? 😉

umm rav4 lights ?? no matter how you do it thats one ugly car !

http://goingbush.com/AULRO/rav4.jpg

[blackrangie]

umm rav4 lights ?? no matter how you do it thats one ugly car !

Dude u made it worse, add the defender winch bar 34s and sliders [emoji1787]

[blackrangie]

Some were emailed this according to another forum, slightly zoomed out but put doubt on paint booth and bond styling of front.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/00e8abe2d5553c0400d74c65f75c17e3.jpg

[blackrangie]

That is strange some were emailed this, however on closer inspection it does seem to be different to both bond and the paint booth.
The second opening is much bigger (almost same size as top badge opening if you took out middle) giving a tougher look. The bottom of the second opening is also rounder comparing with bond. There seems to be a plate over the lower area, with cam over it.
Bonnet opening for the first time seems to go straight back rather than around the checker plate seen at tusk.??
LR did say re paint booth, we try many options etc.
Maybe they expected bond to leak and tweaked it a little to troll us.
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[ramblingboy42]

There is six there because they are selling has been a Discoveries in Australia as Range Rover sports [emoji6]

try as I may , I cannot understand what you are saying here....maybe you can rephrase it.

[Homestar]

umm rav4 lights ?? no matter how you do it thats one ugly car !

http://goingbush.com/AULRO/rav4.jpg

Well, it doesn’t look any worse... 😁. It’s one of the only things I don’t like on the vehicle - they just don’t look right IMO. Will wait and see.

[scarry]

That is strange some were emailed this, however on closer inspection it does seem to be different to both bond and the paint booth.
The second opening is much bigger (almost same size as top badge opening if you took out middle) giving a tougher look. The bottom of the second opening is also rounder comparing with bond. There seems to be a plate over the lower area, with cam over it.
Bonnet opening for the first time seems to go straight back rather than around the checker plate seen at tusk.??
LR did say re paint booth, we try many options etc.
Maybe they expected bond to leak and tweaked it a little to troll us.
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Yes I looked at the fronts closely as well.
The bond set up could be different cos of the winch set up maybe.

And pls delete that thing with the RAV4 lights,it looks revolting.[bigsad][biggrin]

[ozscott]

It looks pretty cool...it looks pretty expensive....I just bought a Triton GLS Premium (what was the Exceed) for just $44k drive away. Eventually when the Deefer is full electric and the price of the leccy powered one comes down I might consider it.

Cheers

[blackrangie]

Yes I looked at the fronts closely as well.
The bond set up could be different cos of the winch set up maybe.

And pls delete that thing with the RAV4 lights,it looks revolting.[bigsad][biggrin]Yeah mate, i had nothing to do with the rav lights, it was GB at the suggestion of homestar, GB usually comes through with the goods for photo shopping good stuff on the leaks, but yeah..

Since when does clear lights ever look better that dark leds, never.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l660-defender/273110-will-retro-post2934297.html

Maybe mods could delete all of the rav light pics for the benefit of mankind in general [emoji1787]

I think the winch is fake as it would be where the plate is usually.

Looking at the spain winch spyshot the grill is also different to the latest leak, I'm guessing it was a decoy all along even on bond.


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[Chops]

Not sure if it is or not, but in that pick with the bar work on it you just put up,, it looks to have a Warn winch tucked in behind the bar/grill, ( red “W”)

[blackrangie]

Not sure if it is or not, but in that pick with the bar work on it you just put up,, it looks to have a Warn winch tucked in behind the bar/grill, ( red “W”)Correct, that's why the pic was put up and notice the position compared to bond

[blackrangie]

spotted in Tokyo, not sure if this ones been posted yet. [emoji41]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190901/ab2cf535bc85136b5b2cc7a5cc50dfa0.jpg

[grey_ghost]

Off topic (sorry). But I just got back from a 3,200km trip from Melbourne to Mildura, Broken Hill and Camerons Corner.

On that trip I spotted a Defender in Berri (on the black top).
In Bendigo (on the black top).
And a Perentie (on dirt road works).

I spotted 100 Toyota’s
Next popular was Ranger
Then Triton.

Land Rover have a VERY hard job to win back Market Share...

[JDNSW]

On a similar note - I just drove from Dubbo to Perth - saw four Landrovers (excluding the fleet in Wilmington). Most common was probably Toyota of various types.

[incisor]

i did from brissy to bundy and saw 6 defenders on the weekend.....

no shortage of them in gods own country [thumbsupbig]

[travelrover]

i did from brissy to bundy and saw 6 defenders on the weekend.....

no shortage of them in gods own country [thumbsupbig]

Been commuting from Sydney to Port Macquarie weekly for the last 8 weeks. Average sighting one defender a trip, most common would be Hilux, then v8 landcruisers then larger jeeps. Quite a few Range Rovers and Disc’s.

[Xtreme]

It's quite obvious from preceeding posts that most of the Defenders are out on the tough tracks in remote areas and not simply commuting along the black ribbon between major cities. :whistling:

[trout1105]

We have a plethora of rangerovers and Discoveries on the roads in and around Geraldton WA probably because we have one of Australia's best LR workshops here in town, However Defenders are a rare sight here.
I rarely see any other Landrover on the beach or in the bush when I take my D2a into the Sharks bay region or onto the local beaches, maybe the odd RR or Disco but in the last few years I cannot recall seeing a defender or Series Landrover offroad.

[blackrangie]

Off topic (sorry). But I just got back from a 3,200km trip from Melbourne to Mildura, Broken Hill and Camerons Corner.

On that trip I spotted a Defender in Berri (on the black top).
In Bendigo (on the black top).
And a Perentie (on dirt road works).

I spotted 100 Toyota’s
Next popular was Ranger
Then Triton.

Land Rover have a VERY hard job to win back Market Share...Samsung did it, winning incredible market share off apple in a few years.
It's all about having a desirable product that works.

Also to consider, is when you sell a product for more $'s per item you don't have to sell as many to get the same result.

D5 for example would make approx 5 billion in sales per year @ 40,000 units if average AU125k sale price (this could very well be close to reality)

If average Defender had an average sale price of AU100k @100k units you get 10 billion in sales per year.

[Homestar]

Samsung did it, winning incredible market share off apple in a few years.
It's all about having a desirable product that works.

Also to consider, is when you sell a product for more $'s per item you don't have to sell as many to get the same result.

D5 for example would make approx 5 billion in sales per year @ 40,000 units if average AU125k sale price (this could very well be close to reality)

If average Defender had an average sale price of AU100k @100k units you get 10 billion in sales per year.

Yep, agree but Samsung’s offerings were/are around the same or cheaper than Apples. People switch from Apple as they don’t see the value. If the Defender comes in under a new Hilux in price I’m sure they’ll fly off the showroom floor, but that would mean under $50K drive away, up to around $65K for a specced up unit.

While we don’t know pricing I’d almost put my left nut on them starting higher than that.

[blackrangie]

Yep, agree but Samsung’s offerings were/are around the same or cheaper than Apples. People switch from Apple as they don’t see the value. If the Defender comes in under a new Hilux in price I’m sure they’ll fly off the showroom floor, but that would mean under $50K drive away, up to around $65K for a specced up unit.

While we don’t know pricing I’d almost put my left nut on them starting higher than that.Sounds about right I guess we'll see when the pricing has revealed and who the competitors will be.

[DiscoMick]

I see Defenders all the time around Brissie and the Sunshine coast. Obviously people up here have good taste in vehicles.

[AK83]

.... If the Defender comes in under a new Hilux in price I’m sure they’ll fly off the showroom floor, but that would mean under $50K drive away, up to around $65K for a specced up unit.

While we don’t know pricing I’d almost put my left nut on them starting higher than that.

The most likely price range/model competitor closer to the new Defender would be the 76 Series wagon range.

approx ~ $80K give or take, depending on the spec level.
Dunno much about the Tojo range, but from memory it doesn't come in auto, and the Defer will have an 8 speeder as an option(so I've read).

Don't see many 76's around, nowhere near as many 79's anyhow.
So if that's their intended market(most likely to be) .. what would be the expected sales figures.

[scarry]

The most likely price range/model competitor closer to the new Defender would be the 76 Series wagon range.

approx ~ $80K give or take, depending on the spec level.
Dunno much about the Tojo range, but from memory it doesn't come in auto, and the Defer will have an 8 speeder as an option(so I've read).

Don't see many 76's around, nowhere near as many 79's anyhow.
So if that's their intended market(most likely to be) .. what would be the expected sales figures.

My guess it will be more in the LC200 market,GXL is around $85K,VX,$95K.

Although it will be completely different.

The old Defender was more the 70 series market,this one will be more up market.

Big diesel,or petrol,EAS,if you get any change from around $85 to $95K you will be doing well.

[grey_ghost]

Unfortunately if this new Defender is over $60k (very likely) then I am out. [emoji26]

[blackrangie]

The most likely price range/model competitor closer to the new Defender would be the 76 Series wagon range.

approx ~ $80K give or take, depending on the spec level.
Dunno much about the Tojo range, but from memory it doesn't come in auto, and the Defer will have an 8 speeder as an option(so I've read).

Don't see many 76's around, nowhere near as many 79's anyhow.
So if that's their intended market(most likely to be) .. what would be the expected sales figures.I would add prado, gwagon, LC200, jeeps or different styles, lots of American wagon 4x4s, patrol, pajero. Lots of conquest sales to be had and if what JLRA said is true being priced from volume buyer level to high end, i guess there will be opinions to suit many budgets?

[blackrangie]

Unfortunately if this new Defender is over $60k (very likely) then I am out. [emoji26]Could very well get a 90 on coils for that, but who knows what volume buyers means hey.

Hilux/ranger 60-70k or prado 80k

[Homestar]

Could very well get a 90 on coils for that, but who knows what volume buyers means hey.

Hilux/ranger 60-70k or prado 80k

Hilux 4x4 price range $38 - $65K
Ranger 4x4 price range $42 - $75K 😳
Prado price range $54 - $85K
Defender price range... 🤞🤞🤞

[ozscott]

Unfortunately if this new Defender is over $60k (very likely) then I am out. [emoji26]Mate I thought hard about the likely cost. They won't offer deals for years. They look great and look xx'y. They will sell as many as they can produce early on. No discounts. A 110 with air and leather seats with off-road dial thing will be $100k on the road. That's the way I see it. Great if I'm wrong. I'm out of the new car market owing to a recent purchase but watching with interest.

Cheers

[ramblingboy42]

It's quite obvious from preceeding posts that most of the Defenders are out on the tough tracks in remote areas and not simply commuting along the black ribbon between major cities. :whistling:

ahhh turn it up mate.....I just did some tough tracks...not a Land Rover to be seen.....I new Discovery outside the Noccundra Hotel, going to aeromanga on the bitumen. came from Thargomindah on the bitumen.....stop fantasising.

[ramblingboy42]

I see Defenders all the time around Brissie and the Sunshine coast. Obviously people up here have good taste in vehicles.

yep, with approximately 150,000 vehicles per day on the M1 , you do sometimes see a Defender.

[DrytheRain]

Coincidentally, I'd been thinking about pricing the last couple of days too. I was stunned to discover that a Discovery Sport now starts at around $68k driveaway. RR Evoques appear to start from about $75k. The Discovery is priced from around $82k and I assume that model has no low range transfer. Think about that for a minute.

I think LR are going to struggle to position the new Defender without cannibalising sales of other models. I've read on a few US-based websites that the big three over there have struggled to make a case for mid-sized pickups, because they can't sneak them in significantly cheaper than the full-sized units. Since most people seem to see bigger as better, or at least better value, they're reluctant to buy a Ranger when they can get an F-150 for about the same price, or sometimes even less. Sure, there will be people who will see a Defender as too big and/or heavy for their needs, but how many people will see the value in a Disco Sport if they can pick up a Defender for a couple of grand more? The pricing of the RR Evoque is probably less of an issue, as it's pitched as more upmarket, but again, factoring in size, perceived value, the more rugged image and the likelihood of a not-dissimilar amount of standard kit (LR's base models are quite meanly specified), the Defender could steal a few RR Evoque sales too. Then you get to the bigger brother Discovery; if you can get a similar amount of kit, arguably more practicality, that oh-so-important rugged image and more capability for a lower price of entry, it's going to steal a lot of Disco sales too.

Personally, I'd bet on the new Defender starting around $70k at the very least, but more likely $75k and that will be for a base-spec 90 with solid white paint, coils and steels (if they even offer them here). In fact, don't be surprised if they start to follow other Euro car makers and offer up-specced models only in the Australian market, raising the price of entry even further. Even our Pumas were equivalent to more up-scale European market models. The base models in Europe had skinny steels, the black 'mask' with amber indicator lenses at the front, vinyl seats, windy windows, no traction or stability control and not even a headlamp leveling switch.

Anyway, a couple of other stray observations:

Rearward visibility is likely to be pretty terrible. The spare looks like it obscures even more of the rear window than it does on a Puma.

The teaser image showing the straight shut lines and narrow bonnet matches the Lego model. It does give me hope that the bonnet's a ruse and that it will have a proper raised bonnet, though I'm sure it won't. It might make it easier to address that glaring oversight though.

[tc_s1]

The most likely price range/model competitor closer to the new Defender would be the 76 Series wagon range.

approx ~ $80K give or take, depending on the spec level.
Dunno much about the Tojo range, but from memory it doesn't come in auto, and the Defer will have an 8 speeder as an option(so I've read).

Don't see many 76's around, nowhere near as many 79's anyhow.
So if that's their intended market(most likely to be) .. what would be the expected sales figures.I suspect LR isnt giving Toyo the hard and serious look as market conpetition most of us would like as they are instead going to further segment the high end luxury market where they have most recently been able to gain and hold marketshare in spite of poor customer service ratings and rantings. While we may compare to offroad, overland and workhorse models from other manufacturers, and indeed it is important to do so, IMHO the very comparisons we as a customer base seek will be at beat a portion of a weighted average in any LR calculation. If instead LR brings a work model or (maybe even a ute) at ~$65k, I'd be floored. Guessing the top end will add up to at least $110k and hope they don't forget about those of us who prefer more simple pleasures.

[blackrangie]

I suspect LR isnt giving Toyo the hard and serious look as market conpetition most of us would like as they are instead going to further segment the high end luxury market where they have most recently been able to gain and hold marketshare in spite of poor customer service ratings and rantings. While we may compare to offroad, overland and workhorse models from other manufacturers, and indeed it is important to do so, IMHO the very comparisons we as a customer base seek will be at beat a portion of a weighted average in any LR calculation. If instead LR brings a work model or (maybe even a ute) at ~$65k, I'd be floored. Guessing the top end will add up to at least $110k and hope they don't forget about those of us who prefer more simple pleasures.

Hmm, I would be very surprised if they haven't looked at the competition in great detail (LR are on record saying they have tested against the comp and its fantastic) also wouod be supprised if it best in class and one of the most capable dual purpose out of the box 4x4s.
What that competition is though?, we will have to wait and see, we can only guess and the list would be different for every country as each has its fav 4x4s that LR could have as a target for conquest sales.

Obviously with the features it will have it will not be a "great wall" 4x4 and will be priced accordingly, their vslue proposition will be very high.
I believe between the 4cyl base 90 on coils and a v8 SVX/SVR down the track they will target buyers of Wrangler right up to Gclass G55.

LR was most improved since last year in the states(issues mainly infotainment) and are almost on par with yota in UK for quality were other models are sold and diesels etc.

If you look over the past 15-20 years the problems per 100 vehicles for LR has halved in the states.

2005 = 395 problems per 100 vehicles after 3 years of ownership during 12 months (4 problems in a year)

2019 = 221 problems per 100 vehicles after 3 years of ownership during 12 months (2 problems in a year reported to be mainly infotainment)

So looking at this their dependability has improved 180% over 14 years up to 2016 in the US if my calc are correct.

In AU we there are a warranty horror stories as with any brand but from being on this forum when something goes wrong when your on a trip the customer service is fantastic, its a huge country and they go over and above to get you and your car back to a dealer and up and running and back on your trip, this seems to be very consistent customer service experience.
We own both a new JLR vehicle and an old one, customer service both in sales and after sales so far has been fine, no issues since purchase on newby other than loading android auto on, which was done within an hour of dropping it off and ready for pick up.

[DiscoMick]

They certainly seem to have upped their game in terms of reliability and customer service in recent years.
As for pricing, I'm hoping the Defender will start around the top of ute pricing and go upwards.

[Gregz]

hmmm , now that the model numbers no longer correlate to the wheelbase, maybe they correlate to the approx price in AUD, so the 90 will cost $90k and the 110 will cost $110K [bighmmm]

[tc_s1]

Hmm, I would be very surprised if they haven't looked at the competition in great detail (LR are on record saying they have tested against the comp and its fantastic) also wouod be supprised if it best in class and one of the most capable dual purpose out of the box 4x4s.
What that competition is though?, we will have to wait and see, we can only guess and the list would be different for every country as each has its fav 4x4s that LR could have as a target for conquest sales.

Obviously with the features it will have it will not be a "great wall" 4x4 and will be priced accordingly, their vslue proposition will be very high.
I believe between the 4cyl base 90 on coils and a v8 SVX/SVR down the track they will target buyers of Wrangler right up to Gclass G55.

LR was most improved since last year in the states(issues mainly infotainment) and are almost on par with yota in UK for quality were other models are sold and diesels etc.

If you look over the past 15-20 years the problems per 100 vehicles for LR has halved in the states.

2005 = 395 problems per 100 vehicles after 3 years of ownership during 12 months (4 problems in a year)

2019 = 221 problems per 100 vehicles after 3 years of ownership during 12 months (2 problems in a year reported to be mainly infotainment)

So looking at this their dependability has improved 180% over 14 years up to 2016 in the US if my calc are correct.

In AU we there are a warranty horror stories as with any brand but from being on this forum when something goes wrong when your on a trip the customer service is fantastic, its a huge country and they go over and above to get you and your car back to a dealer and up and running and back on your trip, this seems to be very consistent customer service experience.
We own both a new JLR vehicle and an old one, customer service both in sales and after sales so far has been fine, no issues since purchase on newby other than loading android auto on, which was done within an hour of dropping it off and ready for pick up.I'm a fan and own three so no need to sell me, however since you note the US, LR is most often (rightly or not) ranked near or at the bottom for customer service satisfaction. Amongst the highest awards there are those from JD Edwards, for which our beloved LR has not won a single mention across any of the catagories (quality, dependability, performance, dealership sales, dealership service).

All this said, I am looking very much forward to the release and hope it once and for all changes all this in AU, US, UK and everywhere else. I feel the LR's I own share nearly none of the issues commonly reported by others, but then again, all three of mine run Isuzu 4bd1's from the factory as well.

[cripesamighty]

It is no secret, but sadly many of the problems seen in Australia with Land Rover servicing, service centres, performing service bulletins, fulfilling warranties, specs of cars imported etc, relate directly to policies of 'Land Rover Australia' - not the parent company 'JLR', or the dealerships. There have been many disagreements between LRA and JLR in the past, (including a couple I was stuck in the middle of!) so I'm waiting to see how this affects the new Defender if any issues crop up.

Mods, feel free to modify or delete if this steps over the line....

[blackrangie]

Some more renders, not 100% accurate, things like snorkel too small etc, but cool to see different colours designs etc.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190903/a099c999889041cc9816945d8e844768.jpg

[Homestar]

And it’ll probably be available in Black, White, Silver and Dark Grey like every other car on the market these days. [bigwhistle]

I do hope they do a green of some description though.

[blackrangie]

And it’ll probably be available in Black, White, Silver and Dark Grey like every other car on the market these days. [bigwhistle]

I do hope they do a green of some description though.I think colour will be the hardest thing for me, i like black [emoji6] but also a fan of landrovers dark green(British racing green) and like the grey from goodwood.

[ozscott]

I have always liked Land Rovers in dark grey (save for Series) but I like white these days.

Cheers

[scarry]

I have always liked Land Rovers in dark grey (save for Series) but I like white these days.

Cheers

Same here,but i like white because its much more practical,particularly when it comes to scratches,mainly from scrub.

I hate the look of a dark vehicles with scratches,been there done that.

Yes i know there are these stick on covers,but i can't be bothered with all the mucking around.They may be fine for a one of trip,but if the vehicle is often on bush tracks as ours is,it would have to have the plastic on all the time,which i don't want to do.

White with some areas blacked out looks pretty good,in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong,those darker colour do look fantastic,particularly the greys and bronzes.

[grey_ghost]

When I test drove, and nearly bought a Discovery Sport 4 years ago - White was the standard colour. Any other colour cost extra - metallic paint even more so. From memory the prices ranged from $1500 to $5000 for extra colours.

So you guys wanting white - are saving money! [thumbsupbig]

[ozscott]

It's outrageous what a bit of colour tint is charged out at.

[blackrangie]

Same here,but i like white because its much more practical,particularly when it comes to scratches,mainly from scrub.

I hate the look of a dark vehicles with scratches,been there done that.

Yes i know there are these stick on covers,but i can't be bothered with all the mucking around.They may be fine for a one of trip,but if the vehicle is often on bush tracks as ours is,it would have to have the plastic on all the time,which i don't want to do.

White with some areas blacked out looks pretty good,in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong,those darker colour do look fantastic,particularly the greys and bronzes.

Actually from my experience you can have dark colours and not worry about scratches these days, I've got a clear wrap my on my dark rangie, you can not notice the wrap, it resists bush pin stripes extremely well, self heals light scratches, if somehow you do scratch it, you can buff it, ive not had to yet, adds to the shine of the car, doesn't fade. If somehow you rub a tree and rip the wrap, replace that section. (Added wrap to insurance so thats covered too)

Today you can have whatever colour you want and not worry about scratches, carparks, keys, rings, etc.

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Agree white looks great with blacked out sections and dark tint etc [emoji7]

[DiscoMick]

Our Mazda has a clear wrap over blue and it looks great and keeps the bird**** off the paint.
But I like our Defender in white. Very practical in hot weather.

[blackrangie]

When I test drove, and nearly bought a Discovery Sport 4 years ago - White was the standard colour. Any other colour cost extra - metallic paint even more so. From memory the prices ranged from $1500 to $5000 for extra colours.

So you guys wanting white - are saving money! [thumbsupbig]I do remember there being a few non premium colours on the free list now.

For sure white or black.

[grey_ghost]

Interesting... I posted this pic up 7 months ago... I wonder how close it's to the mark!?!?

http://https://i.imgur.com/nIRUZFl.png

[Tombie]

When I test drove, and nearly bought a Discovery Sport 4 years ago - White was the standard colour. Any other colour cost extra - metallic paint even more so. From memory the prices ranged from $1500 to $5000 for extra colours.

So you guys wanting white - are saving money! [thumbsupbig]

In Thailand white costs more! The colours are cheaper.

[blackrangie]

Interesting... I posted this pic up 7 months ago... I wonder how close it's to the mark!?!?


Imo there's not much evidence it will look much like that.

The red autocar render matches the binicle shot the closest( minus the lift and tyres is closest ive seen, round out the slope on roof a bit more, remove the silly rear bumper) add this to goodwood rock shots with rear and bond spyshot with emailed grill and ya can get pretty close in your head, still more to be revealed though if you look close [emoji41]
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[blackrangie]

from a JLR employee & Defender driver who got a preview today:


Well I went this afternoon had a look...…………...Bloody AWESOME..... Some styling from the old one used in a certain way...The roof, Alpine windows and the rear of it shaped similar to our muched loved models. The rear lights tho been more RR than the old Mini sort.

Plenty of potential for other a commercial version but not to sure on the pick up. We only saw the 90 version with is a 5 seater, plenty of leg room behind front seats but not really a boot. The dash board has style designs from the old RED prototype at Gaydon, with a big long deep tray from dash pinnacle to passenger door. Auto box and nice touch screen in middle of dash board.

Big chunky motor, that....hopefully if we can build them right, will do us good at JLR..

Chatting to a few of the other fellas there, we reckon we should really build it at....THE HOME OF THE LEGEND...

YEAH, had a good look around and underneath front, felt very tough plastic, holes for spot lights and winch . great approach angle
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190904/2dbbe26bfa64e0a31e0a34b5a0ee199a.jpg

[ozscott]

Motor, hopefully if we can build them right...[emoji1787][emoji15]

[travelrover]

Our Mazda has a clear wrap over blue and it looks great and keeps the bird**** off the paint.
But I like our Defender in white. Very practical in hot weather.

Interesting you say very practical in hot weather, in tropical south east Asia you very rarely see white vehicles, mainly black or grey! Mini buses seem to be an exception occasionally.

[SBD4]

I do remember there being a few non premium colours on the free list now.

For sure white or black.
Basing it on the Disco/RRS pricing, only Fuji White and Narvik Black are free. Otherwise for any other colour it's $2060 for Metallic and $4110 for Premium Metallic paint.

When looking at FFRR pricing, Metallic is free and premium metallic is $1875 but, then you can have the SVO paint which starts at $8500 up to $23,150 and some POA.

It's interesting that the Disco Sport paint pricing is a little over half the price of its big brother.

Hopefully the Defender paint pricing is similar to the DS.

[blackrangie]

Interesting you say very practical in hot weather, in tropical south east Asia you very rarely see white vehicles, mainly black or grey! Mini buses seem to be an exception occasionally.Blacks also practical in cold weather [emoji6]

[travelrover]

Blacks also practical in cold weather [emoji6]

We have two white 110’s and a black 90. Seem to be Practical in any weather, the smile factor is the same..

All my previous defenders have been white! I did have an almost cream off white coloured 2A in the early 80’s. Would love to get that one back,

[blackrangie]

Two Impressive 4x4 SUV Reveals For September - News (https://suvs.com/news/two-impressive-4x4-suv-reveals-for-september/)

Bring it on!

[SBD4]

Two Impressive 4x4 SUV Reveals For September - News (https://suvs.com/news/two-impressive-4x4-suv-reveals-for-september/)

Bring it on!

This was interesting but pretty much as expected:


Down the line, there may even be a pickup truck version of the all-new Defender. It could compete with the Jeep Gladiator. It’d have to ride on a different platform, though. The D70 aluminum monocoque architecture that underpins the all-new Defender and other Land Rover models simply cannot accommodate a pickup truck body. Mark Cameron says the company could partner with another automaker to build the pickup, though. He pointed to how Land Rover partnered with BMW for EV development. There would need to be sufficient sales volume to justify making the pickup, though, so it’s safe to assume Land Rover will wait to see how the standard version of its all-new Defender performs first.

[blackrangie]

This was interesting but pretty much as expected:The part on partnering up with another manufacturer for pickup was reporter speculation from memory

[scarry]

Basing it on the Disco/RRS pricing, only Fuji White and Narvik Black are free. Otherwise for any other colour it's $2060 for Metallic and $4110 for Premium Metallic paint.

When looking at FFRR pricing, Metallic is free and premium metallic is $1875 but, then you can have the SVO paint which starts at $8500 up to $23,150 and some POA.

It's interesting that the Disco Sport paint pricing is a little over half the price of its big brother.

Hopefully the Defender paint pricing is similar to the DS.

Some of those prices are outrageous.

Metallic paint on the last van we bought was $550 extra[bigwhistle]

I bet the quality isn’t as good as LR,but the quantity per vehicle at a guess would be more.

[SBD4]

Some of those prices are outrageous.

Metallic paint on the last van we bought was $550 extra[bigwhistle]

I bet the quality isn’t as good as LR,but the quantity per vehicle at a guess would be more.

Yeah, it is exy, but there is no doubt that it is good quality. It seems to be more resilient to scratches etc. than other manufacturers for what I can tell.


I still think they are having a lend at those prices though.

[Homestar]

Last paint job I paid for was a new coat for the 101 - $12.50 for a 1 litre tin of ‘Peppercorn’ outdoor acrylic from Bunnings - enough to do the whole vehicle. 👍😊

You guys are getting ripped off... 😁😉😇

[SBD4]

Last paint job I paid for was a new coat for the 101 - $12.50 for a 1 litre tin of ‘Peppercorn’ outdoor acrylic from Bunnings - enough to do the whole vehicle. 👍😊

You guys are getting ripped off... 😁😉😇

You might be onto a winner there!

I wonder if they'll consider adding that one to their price list...

Yulong White Premium Metallic.........$4110.00
Peppercorn Acrylic..............................$12.50

Perfect![biggrin][thumbsupbig]

[blackrangie]

From another forum

August 28th @ 7PM EST – Press release with image & link to video will be released and available via GRMS
 September 5th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 7th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 9th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 10th – Global Reveal at Frankfurt Auto Show!
o Live feed at 4am EST; a link will be available to watch post reveal
o CRM communications to Defender hand raisers and current Land Rover owners announcing reveal (Sept 9th and 10th)
o Ordering guide will be available
o Vista Ordering Opens
o Defender Page Live on LandRoverUSA.com
o Vehicle Configurator Live on LandRoverUSA.com
o E-Brochure Live on LandRoverUSA.com & GRMS

So we get tease video and images today according to this, I'm guessing American time, so maybe tonight?

[goingbush]

Last paint job I paid for was a new coat for the 101 - $12.50 for a 1 litre tin of ‘Peppercorn’ outdoor acrylic from Bunnings - enough to do the whole vehicle. 👍😊

You guys are getting ripped off... 😁😉😇

I picked up a 4L mistint from Bunnings $35.00 , its as close to NATO green as you could get , Semi sheen , Enough for a couple of paint jobs.

[blackrangie]

New vid and info release.

Some good views of it! [emoji41]

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3m6d0QrVg0&feature=youtu.be)

NEW LAND ROVER DEFENDER EXPEDITION 001 | Land Rover (https://media.landrover.com/news/2019/09/new-land-rover-defender-expedition-001)

[blackrangie]

Uncovered with accessories https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190905/e1c77d38f538cb181b8d1f499dd94ebf.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190905/212fd191fd52b7aa9ca6b3b8b818526d.jpg

[TB]

Chunky thing on the nose, maybe winch, seen from side shot.

The top-down view shows the weird bonnet decoration and the ladder on the left side.

[blackrangie]

Another one from the linkhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190905/1f8ec62fd978628039cfcb131212ed78.jpg

[blackrangie]

Ladder
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190905/187ca2d13963cbddbae8c21663d0efd5.jpg

[SBD4]

Ladder


You must have missed what TB noted....


Chunky thing on the nose, maybe winch, seen from side shot.

The top-down view shows the weird bonnet decoration and the ladder on the left side.

[blackrangie]

You must have missed what TB noted....Nah I liked and thanked his post earlier, just zoomed in more and circled to show it a bit closer. Thanks for going to all that effort though even bolding his text [emoji1419][emoji1417]

[blackrangie]

Good comment on ladderhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190905/c932dceba117f75754bd63f8021a4792.jpg

[blackrangie]

Outline and reveal on landrovers youtube, can set reminder too.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190905/01883e05e4698db84fc3feaefb4912eb.jpg

[RANDLOVER]

Two Impressive 4x4 SUV Reveals For September - News (https://suvs.com/news/two-impressive-4x4-suv-reveals-for-september/)

Bring it on!

One of those Bollinger pic's seems to show a spare wheel on the bonnet. LR could do a modern version of this, with the see through dash as found on the new Evoques I believe, which is a camera system that simulates looking through the dashboard, bonnet area.

[blackrangie]

Must-See New Vehicles From The 2019 Frankfurt Motor Show (https://www.forbes.com/sites/chucktannert/2019/09/05/must-see-new-vehicles-from-the-2019-frankfurt-motor-show/#3211d68650d7)

Forbes tipping it could steal the show!

[blackrangie]

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsIZF7z3CQw)

Here's the reveal link, getting close now [emoji7]

[101RRS]

From those hazy pics in those short recent clips - I must admit it looks like a Freelander 1 Hippo.

[blackrangie]

Another tease at the Burghley horse trials running at the moment.
Showing more rear wheel travel than Goodwood from memory.
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[plusnq]

LRM article this154016154017154018 month

[blackrangie]

LRM article this154016154017154018 monthI remember that section on the water entering the car from another article so I think this has been online before. Cheers

[blackrangie]

Very funny

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71NBUF7q91Q)

Guy thinks the artists illustration is legit but great laugh all the same and some valid points.

[Chops]

[bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

Thats gold right there boysenberries [thumbsupbig]

[blackrangie]

Apparently we get a another vid drop and tease today 7th according to the leaked timeline already posted, post it up when ya spot it guys! [emoji41]

[blackrangie]

Spoke too soon, its up already!

NEW LAND ROVER DEFENDER EXPEDITION 001 10/09/19 | Land Rover International Homepage (https://media.landrover.com/news/2019/09/new-land-rover-defender-expedition-001-100919)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190906/8b631832d998c26f80bf8cf8aed12cdd.jpg

[blackrangie]

[emoji7]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190906/d65de3d72848aa89cc19a498fb0623ea.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190906/aa2bf62f099605bacda09664196085af.jpg

[ozscott]

Not sold on that rear panel in the glass...Not by a long way.

Cheers

[Chops]

Sounds a bit like a V8 powering up that hill.

[TB]

If that's the same vehicle as previously, then they either flipped the video left-to-right for the shot along the flat ground or they took the ladder off.

Looks like a lot of fun powering up that hill! :)

Some interesting views of the back as it climbs. Confirms front and rear mud flaps, a nice wide rear door, pretty cool looking tail lights arrangement.

[blackrangie]

Heres some of my fav screenshots from 1080phttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/453487b39d006f08f0044dd9993f7528.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/1e737b0f2f448a920a6655fca6ed3b61.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/736953c1a42839533424eb66167f41b2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/308f2a85f1684e3a9f9e110bfc26da03.jpg

[roverrescue]

Is the height of the glasswork out of proportion to the side panels and sill panels?
Looks a little too FJ cruiser trying for hummer look of small windows big sides ???

Could just be the actual anaemic green silver / black combo of the video vehicle though?

And the rear end looks a little late 90s Pajero for mine as opposed to a nod at the defender
Of all the angles the rear should have been the easiest to replicate a nod to the old

S

[ozscott]

Is the height of the glasswork out of proportion to the side panels and sill panels?
Looks a little too FJ cruiser trying for hummer look of small windows big sides ???

Could just be the actual anaemic green silver / black combo of the video vehicle though?

And the rear end looks a little late 90s Pajero for mine as opposed to a nod at the defender
Of all the angles the rear should have been the easiest to replicate a nod to the old

SYep those pics and particularly the side profiles are not nice at all to my eyes. I really liked the photo of the one on the JB set but maybe that was a fake.

Cheers

[D100x]

Heres some of my fav screenshots from 1080phttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/453487b39d006f08f0044dd9993f7528.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/1e737b0f2f448a920a6655fca6ed3b61.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/736953c1a42839533424eb66167f41b2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/308f2a85f1684e3a9f9e110bfc26da03.jpg

What is the deal with that rear view? Looks like they put Range Rover lights on the back. Ugh!!, the rear view has been the best view in my opinion so far, and now with the wrap off it’s nothing but a complete disappointment. I’m trying to stay positive, but each little reveal just looks worse to me. SMH

[blackrangie]

Well it looks like there is some kind of strip going from the bottom to the top and then separate lights as we have seen in the pilots to the side, can't see any range rover myself as that goes around the corner.
Interesting whatever is going on there.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/f4597ab0350a41fb3a336224bee7f355.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/a6c09ea4236f756a16e6e0ba7187bd15.jpg

[blackrangie]

They are definitely adding and removing accessories during the shoots or as someone mentioned reversing the video.

Either way looks like front bumper roof rack silver with black roof nice-looking flares.

The second photo is from the second last information release first one is from the latest release.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/ef287b0a9e3e5d25700bc24f3c0df8ef.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/4af92e0648f2edf0172419c3b0ff94d1.jpg

[ozscott]

Cover it back up! Cover it back up! [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

[Tombie]

I like it... which is just as well considering [emoji41]

[scarry]

I like it... which is just as well considering [emoji41]

I recon it looks the goods as well.

But i would like the option of a D4 styled tailgate.

Cant wait to see the specs,and prices,but i doubt the prices will be released for Aus until it is here,which they are saying will be next February.

[blackrangie]

I recon it looks the goods as well.

But i would like the option of a D4 styled tailgate.

Cant wait to see the specs,and prices,but i doubt the prices will be released for Aus until it is here,which they are saying will be next February.From my dealer, can configure in AU morning after reveal and place orders with dealers.build slots confirmed early Nov.

[scarry]

From my dealer, can configure in AU morning after reveal and place orders with dealers.build slots confirmed early Nov.

And prices?

[blackrangie]

And prices?Nothing until morning after i would imagine.

[blackrangie]

New photo dropped on LR's Instagramhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/b25d31080f8d104ac85ac912439c4e00.jpg

[blackrangie]

Another vid and photos tomorrow 9th [emoji41]



From another forum

August 28th @ 7PM EST – Press release with image & link to video will be released and available via GRMS

 September 5th – Tease video & Images released via social channels

 September 7th – Tease video & Images released via social channels

 September 9th – Tease video & Images released via social channels

 September 10th – Global Reveal at Frankfurt Auto Show!

o Live feed at 4am EST; a link will be available to watch post reveal

o CRM communications to Defender hand raisers and current Land Rover owners announcing reveal (Sept 9th and 10th)

o Ordering guide will be available

o Vista Ordering Opens

o Defender Page Live on LandRoverUSA.com

o Vehicle Configurator Live on LandRoverUSA.com

o E-Brochure Live on LandRoverUSA.com & GRMS

[Standard]

Apparently from a South African 4x4 magazine. https://www.reddit.com/r/LandRover/comments/d1buba/from_a_south_african_4x4_magazine
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/e48fba9dcec81c8ffe1a2b295c80931c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/cf4b6e96824d3c7c50c99f1c74001159.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/7c06a2dd9d88472f977673195b6d1a0c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/2a0d5080047d4d047d3d04e7b97a0aa3.jpg

[ozscott]

Converting Rand to AUD from that article the 110 would start at $90,000 AUD plus onroads. I thought with a few small options and onroad costs (and luxury tax) the 110 would be a $100k start price on the road in Aust and this article suggests that would be about the mark.

Cheers

[scarry]

Nothing until morning after i would imagine.

I didn’t explain myself properly[bighmmm]

I meant I wonder when Aus prices will be released?

I see someone has guessed using overseas prices,but that is only a wild guess[biggrin]

[loanrangie]

More SA sourced pics.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/5731b403fcdc6266c17263d8dc401dc0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/ee9029b94998964b9a2db5d6b8e82486.jpg

[Rob66]

Converting Rand to AUD from that article the 110 would start at $90,000 AUD plus onroads. I thought with a few small options and onroad costs (and luxury tax) the 110 would be a $100k start price on the road in Aust and this article suggests that would be about the mark.

Cheers

I rang LR last week and from all the meetings etc internally he thinks that price range will be $65k > $90k .. so ... not bad

[Homestar]

So, I think it's growing on me. I like it from the side, the back so so, the front I'm still not sure of - maybe will look better with a decent bull bar on it. Like the front 3 seat arrangement - I've never been a fan of large consoles, so I think this opens up the interior IMO.

Looking forward to seeing one in person.

[ozscott]

I rang LR last week and from all the meetings etc internally he thinks that price range will be $65k > $90k .. so ... not badIs this the 110 Rob? I can understand if the 90 with coils is $65k plus onroads. Cheers

[ozscott]

Looks like a storage box on the side at the back hey.

Cheers

[blackrangie]

Apparently from a South African 4x4 magazine. https://www.reddit.com/r/LandRover/comments/d1buba/from_a_south_african_4x4_magazine
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/e48fba9dcec81c8ffe1a2b295c80931c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/cf4b6e96824d3c7c50c99f1c74001159.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/7c06a2dd9d88472f977673195b6d1a0c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/2a0d5080047d4d047d3d04e7b97a0aa3.jpgWell wowsers, somebody is going to be in big trouble for leaking that early, that was a bit more detail than i was expecting this morning [emoji15][emoji1417][emoji7].

Was speaking to someone that works for Landrover indirectly yesterday and he said he had seen it and was very jealous of my preorder and kept raving without giving details (NDA). (I can see now what he was talking about, very cool).
Kinda wish it didnt leak for LRs sake, but all publicity is good publicity I suppose.

[blackrangie]

More SA sourced pics.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/5731b403fcdc6266c17263d8dc401dc0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/ee9029b94998964b9a2db5d6b8e82486.jpgWow!

[djambalawa]

Wow!

Hmm nothing in initial offering for anyone wanting to tow a lot it seems.. only a 6 cyl petrol or 4 cyl diesel on offer...

Might have to wait for the 6 cyl diesel :(

[blackrangie]

Hmm nothing in initial offering for anyone wanting to tow a lot it seems.. only a 6 cyl petrol or 4 cyl diesel on offer...

Might have to wait for the 6 cyl diesel :(This is impressive, the straight 6 petrol I'm guessing, will be interesting to see official stuff tomorrow.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190908/f3f612d5b22ef13995817c64139d7df8.jpg

[SBD4]

Hmm nothing in initial offering for anyone wanting to tow a lot it seems.. only a 6 cyl petrol or 4 cyl diesel on offer...

Might have to wait for the 6 cyl diesel :(

Yeah, I was surprised by he limited engine options. I guess they are determined not to perpetuate the use of the current the V6 diesel and are not ready with the ingenium 6. Good news is the article did say it was rated to 3720Kgs. Also judging by the pics steelies will be available.

[TB]

Hmm nothing in initial offering for anyone wanting to tow a lot it seems.. only a 6 cyl petrol or 4 cyl diesel on offer...

Might have to wait for the 6 cyl diesel :(

The little diesel puts out as much power as the previous 3.0L SDV6 in a D4, and the 8-speed ZF is still a magic gearbox. According to the articles the tow capacity is increased to over 3700kg. Payload is also 900kg. This doesn't sound like a car that will struggle to take you and your stuff places. I'm keen for a test drive.

[djambalawa]

The little diesel puts out as much power as the previous 3.0L SDV6 in a D4, and the 8-speed ZF is still a magic gearbox. According to the articles the tow capacity is increased to over 3700kg. Payload is also 900kg. This doesn't sound like a car that will struggle to take you and your stuff places. I'm keen for a test drive.

Don't get me wrong I like the sound of the small diesel.. and with that power it could tow it.. but I'd like to see a bit of low down torque for fuel economy and I wonder about a bigger engine having more longevity when doing lots of towing.. but yeah if its up to it that might be a good option.. my offroad van is 2.7t. I'd actually prefer the smaller diesel when not towing and I'm not in any great hurry when I am.

This is a torque curve i found online if its relevant.. looks pretty good..
154081

[SBD4]

The little diesel puts out as much power as the previous 3.0L SDV6 in a D4, and the 8-speed ZF is still a magic gearbox. According to the articles the tow capacity is increased to over 3700kg. Payload is also 900kg. This doesn't sound like a car that will struggle to take you and your stuff places. I'm keen for a test drive.

While the power is up there, almost, the torque is not, 430nm vs 600nm. I'm sure it could deliver without too much issue considering the old 2.7 was 140Kw and 440nm but you can't beat the smoothness of the 6 and that effortless punch low down.

[scarry]

The little diesel puts out as much power as the previous 3.0L SDV6 in a D4, and the 8-speed ZF is still a magic gearbox. According to the articles the tow capacity is increased to over 3700kg. Payload is also 900kg. This doesn't sound like a car that will struggle to take you and your stuff places. I'm keen for a test drive.

But it is lighter,I presume,than the D4 so should get along OK.
The GVM and GCM look fantastic,and is what many in Aus need.

The diesel is tried and tested,it has been in other models for a while.
I would much rather have the larger one,but I bet it will come at a premium price.Its only just been released in some of the other models in some markets.

[ozscott]

900kg payload is impressive. It's basically a current Thai built ute payload. The tow capacity is likewise impressive and puts it above 200 series (whose payload is unimpressive as well). Can't see why a ute version could not work with that payload.

Cheers

[scarry]

Yeah, I was surprised by he limited engine options. I guess they are determined not to perpetuate the use of the current the V6 diesel and are not ready with the ingenium 6. Good news is the article did say it was rated to 3720Kgs. Also judging by the pics steelies will be available.

Don’t forget that’s SA spec,spec here may be different.
So we could get different engines,who knows?

[DiscoMick]

They did say there would be more engine choices in the future.
I like it.

[SBD4]

Don’t forget that’s SA spec,spec here may be different.
So we could get different engines,who knows?
Yep absolutely, the SD4 that they mentioned is the same as what is in the Discovery and it only gets two engine variants, SD4(177/430) and SD6(225/700). The forthcoming diesel inline 6 is all I would expect them to add to the engine line up. Hopefully it will be similar in spec to the current SD6.

[blackrangie]

New vid and pic

NEW LAND ROVER DEFENDER EXPEDITION 001 TO FRANKFURT | Land Rover International Homepage (https://media.landrover.com/news/2019/09/new-land-rover-defender-expedition-001-frankfurt)

YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=mAswWCVaQrQ#)

[TB]

There is an engine tone in the last couple of teaser vids that is distinctly appealing. It better not be fake, or JLR marketing team will need to be defenestrated.

[Rob66]

Is this the 110 Rob? I can understand if the 90 with coils is $65k plus onroads. Cheers

didn't really discuss models etc with him .. but he did say the the Defender would be priced below the Discovery "5" .. so fingers crossed. Now I'm looking forward to the "reveal" tomorrow at LR Brisbane and a trip to Frankfurt to see it for myself

[TB]

Yep absolutely, the SD4 that they mentioned is the same as what is in the Discovery and it only gets two engine variants, SD4(177/430) and SD6(225/700). The forthcoming diesel inline 6 is all I would expect them to add to the engine line up. Hopefully it will be similar in spec to the current SD6.

Don't forget they were extensively testing a hybrid powertrain. I'm curious to see how that stacks up in terms of output, weight, payload, economy and drivability. Not to mention reliability.

[Geedublya]

I can see a 110 P400 in my future.

[Rob66]

While the power is up there, almost, the torque is not, 430nm vs 600nm. I'm sure it could deliver without too much issue considering the old 2.7 was 140Kw and 440nm but you can't beat the smoothness of the 6 and that effortless punch low down.

The 430 nM (vs the previous 500nM) is an unfortunate trade off for the new emission standards

[SBD4]

Don't forget they were extensively testing a hybrid powertrain. I'm curious to see how that stacks up in terms of output, weight, payload, economy and drivability. Not to mention reliability.
Ahh yes. Definitely, there is the electric drive train to throw in to the mix as well...was only thinking about ICE.

[SBD4]

Nothing new here..he looking at the same article as us:


https://youtu.be/lcScNBfKiec

[DrytheRain]

The specs are great, but now seeing it in full, from various angles and in actual colours, it’s a solid nope from me.

I just cannot get my head around Land Rover’s design philosophy. They had one of, if not the most iconic car design of all time in their history and they choose to replace it with a fussy, contrived pastiche. Admittedly the silver one with the smaller wheels and heavier black trim over the arch flares looks better, but there are so many styling cues that just don’t work for me.

The bonnet would have been so easy to solve, but they’ve chosen not to, the grille treatment seems almost wilfully awkward, the lower bumper with all that silver plastic trim looks too much like what manufacturers do to ‘toughen up’ the styling of crossovers. The black banding at the ends of the window pillars is straight off the new RAV4; no-one believes that the roof is ‘floating’ over glass. The proportions are very Hummer H3, with tall, slabby sides and a squat glasshouse. The C-pillar is cribbed from the FJ Cruiser and the tail lights, which I thought might look pretty cool, actually look terrible. What would have been wrong with placing those two larger ‘squircle’ tail lights toward the outer extremities of the rear quarters, much like the original Defenders? Then we wouldn’t need those black bands running down from the rear windows.

Look at the green 90 with the steel wheels; if I’d known nothing about the new Defender and someone showed me that image and told me it was a new Dacia SUV, I doubt I’d have blinked.

I took a look at the new Suzuki Jimny on Saturday and in my opinion, it’s more what the new Defender should be, just in 7/8ths scale. It still has its ladder frame and solid axles, but it has a retro-inspired, welded body that allows every square centimetre of interior volume to be utilised. It has a tough, stylish dash with tactile controls, the obligatory touchscreen sitting high in the centre, cool retro instruments, a nice steering wheel that adjusts for reach and rake, decent seats and more front seat space than a Defender. The doors shut with a solid thud and it has simple niceties like a gas strut to hold the rear door open. It may not have scored five stars in the NCAP tests, but it’s pretty solid, it has airbags and some of the new active safety tech. The more I think about it, it’s more like a modern SI. Now if they’d just offer a lwb model...

[loanrangie]

The specs are great, but now seeing it in full, from various angles and in actual colours, it’s a solid nope from me.

I just cannot get my head around Land Rover’s design philosophy. They had one of, if not the most iconic car design of all time in their history and they choose to replace it with a fussy, contrived pastiche. Admittedly the silver one with the smaller wheels and heavier black trim over the arch flares looks better, but there are so many styling cues that just don’t work for me.

The bonnet would have been so easy to solve, but they’ve chosen not to, the grille treatment seems almost wilfully awkward, the lower bumper with all that silver plastic trim looks too much like what manufacturers do to ‘toughen up’ the styling of crossovers. The black banding at the ends of the window pillars is straight off the new RAV4; no-one believes that the roof is ‘floating’ over glass. The proportions are very Hummer H3, with tall, slabby sides and a squat glasshouse. The C-pillar is cribbed from the FJ Cruiser and the tail lights, which I thought might look pretty cool, actually look terrible. What would have been wrong with placing those two larger ‘squircle’ tail lights toward the outer extremities of the rear quarters, much like the original Defenders? Then we wouldn’t need those black bands running down from the rear windows.

Look at the green 90 with the steel wheels; if I’d known nothing about the new Defender and someone showed me that image and told me it was a new Dacia SUV, I doubt I’d have blinked.

I took a look at the new Suzuki Jimny on Saturday and in my opinion, it’s more what the new Defender should be, just in 7/8ths scale. It still has its ladder frame and solid axles, but it has a retro-inspired, welded body that allows every square centimetre of interior volume to be utilised. It has a tough, stylish dash with tactile controls, the obligatory touchscreen sitting high in the centre, cool retro instruments, a nice steering wheel that adjusts for reach and rake, decent seats and more front seat space than a Defender. The doors shut with a solid thud and it has simple niceties like a gas strut to hold the rear door open. It may not have scored five stars in the NCAP tests, but it’s pretty solid, it has airbags and some of the new active safety tech. The more I think about it, it’s more like a modern SI. Now if they’d just offer a lwb model...

7/8's you wish, would just be half. In this part of the 21st century there is no way the old defender could carry on as it was, sure they could have developed a new chassis and then a wider body to fit but i think what they have produced is the modern equivalent of what was needed for the company to sell it in all markets.

[cjc_td5]

New vid and pic

YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=mAswWCVaQrQ#)

The video shows what looks like some sort of plastic over-bumper at 7 sec. If it can mount a couple of spot lights and conceal a winch, that's all I would need.

[shack]

The specs are great, but now seeing it in full, from various angles and in actual colours, it’s a solid nope from me.

I just cannot get my head around Land Rover’s design philosophy. They had one of, if not the most iconic car design of all time in their history and they choose to replace it with a fussy, contrived pastiche. Admittedly the silver one with the smaller wheels and heavier black trim over the arch flares looks better, but there are so many styling cues that just don’t work for me.

The bonnet would have been so easy to solve, but they’ve chosen not to, the grille treatment seems almost wilfully awkward, the lower bumper with all that silver plastic trim looks too much like what manufacturers do to ‘toughen up’ the styling of crossovers. The black banding at the ends of the window pillars is straight off the new RAV4; no-one believes that the roof is ‘floating’ over glass. The proportions are very Hummer H3, with tall, slabby sides and a squat glasshouse. The C-pillar is cribbed from the FJ Cruiser and the tail lights, which I thought might look pretty cool, actually look terrible. What would have been wrong with placing those two larger ‘squircle’ tail lights toward the outer extremities of the rear quarters, much like the original Defenders? Then we wouldn’t need those black bands running down from the rear windows.

Look at the green 90 with the steel wheels; if I’d known nothing about the new Defender and someone showed me that image and told me it was a new Dacia SUV, I doubt I’d have blinked.

I took a look at the new Suzuki Jimny on Saturday and in my opinion, it’s more what the new Defender should be, just in 7/8ths scale. It still has its ladder frame and solid axles, but it has a retro-inspired, welded body that allows every square centimetre of interior volume to be utilised. It has a tough, stylish dash with tactile controls, the obligatory touchscreen sitting high in the centre, cool retro instruments, a nice steering wheel that adjusts for reach and rake, decent seats and more front seat space than a Defender. The doors shut with a solid thud and it has simple niceties like a gas strut to hold the rear door open. It may not have scored five stars in the NCAP tests, but it’s pretty solid, it has airbags and some of the new active safety tech. The more I think about it, it’s more like a modern SI. Now if they’d just offer a lwb model...So it's not for you then?

[DrytheRain]

7/8's you wish, would just be half. In this part of the 21st century there is no way the old defender could carry on as it was, sure they could have developed a new chassis and then a wider body to fit but i think what they have produced is the modern equivalent of what was needed for the company to sell it in all markets.

Maybe against the new Defender, but I was comparing the new Jimny to the now discontinued 90. 7/8ths is very approximate, but if you run the numbers you’ll be surprised.

I certainly don’t disagree that the new Defender had to move the game on, but I think a ladder chassis would still have been viable, as plenty of manufacturers are building them and getting 5 star NCAP ratings. Solid axles, maybe not so much, at least not up front. The expectation of more refinement and comfort tends to rule them out now too and I’ve made my peace with that.

My point was more that the new Jimny successfully updates an old formula in a thoughtful, modern and in my opinion, quite stylish way. Yet there’s nothing contrived or pretentious about it, apart from maybe some of the two-tone paint schemes. Same with most modern, utilitarian four wheel drives, at least in their more basic trims. However, Land Rover can’t seem to help themselves with fussy detailing and style-over-substance design flourishes. Now they appear to be getting into the tacticool thing with those weird, clip on pannier box things.

[101RRS]

I just cannot get my head around Land Rover’s design philosophy. They had one of, if not the most iconic car design of all time in their history and they choose to replace it with a fussy, contrived pastiche.

And that iconic car design that was the old Defender was a dismal marketing and sales failure - until the last couple of runout years, few people bought a new Defender - not only in Australia and around the world - if was a dinosaur that should have been replaced 30 years ago. It was sought out on the second hand market but was never a sales success as a new vehicle.

If LR just did the same with the new model, then it would have been consigned to the scrap heap in short order - JLR are aready in trouble and they did not need another dinosaur.

The new car in my view should do reasonably well if priced right, it is modern and will still achieve many aspects that the old model achieved in a modern body and interior that is still relatively protected when heading offroad - the outer might be a bit rounded but I am sure inside will be boxy enough.

I looked at buying a new Puma about 10 years ago, when I saw it still had rippled body panels, poor ventilation despite all the holes in the floors and around the doors, yet still wanted $65K on the road - sorry like many others I said no as it was poor quality for the cost.

I think the new model will appeal to a wider audience and should be a better sales proposition for the company and a better user proposition for the buying public as long it is priced right but LR does tend to get greedy so we will see.

Garry

[Rob66]

The specs are great, but now seeing it in full, from various angles and in actual colours, it’s a solid nope from me.

I just cannot get my head around Land Rover’s design philosophy. They had one of, if not the most iconic car design of all time in their history and they choose to replace it with a fussy, contrived pastiche. Admittedly the silver one with the smaller wheels and heavier black trim over the arch flares looks better, but there are so many styling cues that just don’t work for me.

The bonnet would have been so easy to solve, but they’ve chosen not to, the grille treatment seems almost wilfully awkward, the lower bumper with all that silver plastic trim looks too much like what manufacturers do to ‘toughen up’ the styling of crossovers. The black banding at the ends of the window pillars is straight off the new RAV4; no-one believes that the roof is ‘floating’ over glass. The proportions are very Hummer H3, with tall, slabby sides and a squat glasshouse. The C-pillar is cribbed from the FJ Cruiser and the tail lights, which I thought might look pretty cool, actually look terrible. What would have been wrong with placing those two larger ‘squircle’ tail lights toward the outer extremities of the rear quarters, much like the original Defenders? Then we wouldn’t need those black bands running down from the rear windows.

Look at the green 90 with the steel wheels; if I’d known nothing about the new Defender and someone showed me that image and told me it was a new Dacia SUV, I doubt I’d have blinked.

I took a look at the new Suzuki Jimny on Saturday and in my opinion, it’s more what the new Defender should be, just in 7/8ths scale. It still has its ladder frame and solid axles, but it has a retro-inspired, welded body that allows every square centimetre of interior volume to be utilised. It has a tough, stylish dash with tactile controls, the obligatory touchscreen sitting high in the centre, cool retro instruments, a nice steering wheel that adjusts for reach and rake, decent seats and more front seat space than a Defender. The doors shut with a solid thud and it has simple niceties like a gas strut to hold the rear door open. It may not have scored five stars in the NCAP tests, but it’s pretty solid, it has airbags and some of the new active safety tech. The more I think about it, it’s more like a modern SI. Now if they’d just offer a lwb model...

Mate - you're really funny. You should consider a stand-up career. If you don't like it then go buy the Jimny. I for one can't wait.

[ozscott]

I think this is a classic case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder. Just because someone is critical of the look doesn't mean it's a personal attack on those that do like it.

Cheers

[Gregz]

For me, the looks are way down the importance list. As long as it had all the other attributes, it could look like a Stavic and I would still be interested. ... I guess I am a function over form sort of person. I really don't care if they call it a Defender or Rednefer, actually if they gave it a shorter name, it would be easier to wash around the raised letters. [wink11]

[blackrangie]

I think this is a classic case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder. Just because someone is critical of the look doesn't mean it's a personal attack on those that do like it.

CheersI don't think anyone was attacking anyone?

[blackrangie]

The specs are great, but now seeing it in full, from various angles and in actual colours, it’s a solid nope from me.

I just cannot get my head around Land Rover’s design philosophy. They had one of, if not the most iconic car design of all time in their history and they choose to replace it with a fussy, contrived pastiche. Admittedly the silver one with the smaller wheels and heavier black trim over the arch flares looks better, but there are so many styling cues that just don’t work for me.

The bonnet would have been so easy to solve, but they’ve chosen not to, the grille treatment seems almost wilfully awkward, the lower bumper with all that silver plastic trim looks too much like what manufacturers do to ‘toughen up’ the styling of crossovers. The black banding at the ends of the window pillars is straight off the new RAV4; no-one believes that the roof is ‘floating’ over glass. The proportions are very Hummer H3, with tall, slabby sides and a squat glasshouse. The C-pillar is cribbed from the FJ Cruiser and the tail lights, which I thought might look pretty cool, actually look terrible. What would have been wrong with placing those two larger ‘squircle’ tail lights toward the outer extremities of the rear quarters, much like the original Defenders? Then we wouldn’t need those black bands running down from the rear windows.

Look at the green 90 with the steel wheels; if I’d known nothing about the new Defender and someone showed me that image and told me it was a new Dacia SUV, I doubt I’d have blinked.

I took a look at the new Suzuki Jimny on Saturday and in my opinion, it’s more what the new Defender should be, just in 7/8ths scale. It still has its ladder frame and solid axles, but it has a retro-inspired, welded body that allows every square centimetre of interior volume to be utilised. It has a tough, stylish dash with tactile controls, the obligatory touchscreen sitting high in the centre, cool retro instruments, a nice steering wheel that adjusts for reach and rake, decent seats and more front seat space than a Defender. The doors shut with a solid thud and it has simple niceties like a gas strut to hold the rear door open. It may not have scored five stars in the NCAP tests, but it’s pretty solid, it has airbags and some of the new active safety tech. The more I think about it, it’s more like a modern SI. Now if they’d just offer a lwb model...https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l660-defender/256581-won-t-retro-post2920316.html

Pretty solid no, pre unwrapped mate [emoji6]

[ChookD2]

Think the Defender looks horrible ..... check this out.....

2020 Patrol (https://mr4x4.com.au/2020-nissan-patrol-photos-leaked/?acid=c2229c81955da55c1385f5037b407efa&utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=2020+Nissan+Patrol+photos+%2B+Toyota+H iLux+and+Ford+Ranger+dominate+new+car+sales&utm_campaign=PC+Newsletter+%23277+%28Weekly%29)

[blackrangie]

For me, the looks are way down the importance list. As long as it had all the other attributes, it could look like a Stavic and I would still be interested. ... I guess I am a function over form sort of person. I really don't care if they call it a Defender or Rednefer, actually if they gave it a shorter name, it would be easier to wash around the raised letters. [wink11]ND? [emoji6][emoji1787]

[goingbush]

Think the Defender looks horrible ..... check this out.....

2020 Patrol (https://mr4x4.com.au/2020-nissan-patrol-photos-leaked/?acid=c2229c81955da55c1385f5037b407efa&utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=2020+Nissan+Patrol+photos+%2B+Toyota+H iLux+and+Ford+Ranger+dominate+new+car+sales&utm_campaign=PC+Newsletter+%23277+%28Weekly%29)

I'll take the Patrol !

[scarry]

Think the Defender looks horrible ..... check this out.....

2020 Patrol (https://mr4x4.com.au/2020-nissan-patrol-photos-leaked/?acid=c2229c81955da55c1385f5037b407efa&utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=2020+Nissan+Patrol+photos+%2B+Toyota+H iLux+and+Ford+Ranger+dominate+new+car+sales&utm_campaign=PC+Newsletter+%23277+%28Weekly%29)

If it has EAS,even just on the rear,it will steal a heap of sales from Toyota.

Not enough pics to see what it really looks like.

[DrytheRain]

Some of your reactions are priceless. God forbid someone should have a dissenting opinion!

I get it; it had to be modern, but I think the design throws away too much of the essence of the original. Sure, the original wasn’t a sales success, but people love the look of them and what they represent; adventure, exploration and a sense of freedom to go anywhere. They just didn’t buy them, because they either didn’t fit in comfortably, they didn’t like how they drove or they thought the quality was sub-par. And I’m the first to admit that the originals aren’t terribly comfortable, they drive like a truck (an old one at that) and they build quality is laughable.

I just think LR have made some questionable design choices and I, personally, don’t like them. When I saw the first picture of the bonnet-less model, I thought it was awful; like some kind of early ‘00s concept car. Then I saw the picture from the Bond set, I thought okay, maybe it’s not so bad. However, seeing it in finished and in colours, I can see that all the fussy detailing has made its way into the final design and I’m not a fan. The silver one pictured is actually a pretty nice looking modern SUV. It would have made a good Discovery 5 (horrible tail lights aside), but to me it just doesn’t fit the image of a Defender.

As for the Jimny comments, I knew that would draw
some flak, but I’m simply making the comparison because I think its designers have done a great job of translating the essence of the historic models into a more modern design. They’ve kept it simple, functional and unpretentious. Isn’t that what a Defender should be about?

[trout1105]

The 79 series is about the closest you can still get to a defender.
A No nonsense boxy 4wd But with better reliability and far more power.

[PhilipA]

LR may be ****house at building reliable cars but they sure are good at teasers and product launches.
Is it 66 pages of posts?

Regards PhilipA

[ozscott]

The D5 is looking good again [emoji1787][emoji1787].

Ps. We need to wait for the actual reveal. I reckon this stuff above is rendering only (I hope).
Cheers

[blackrangie]

Some sweet shots, in highish quality bar the vid screenshot.

Grab handles visible in middle shot.

Bottom shot is reversed with ladder and snorkel.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/8e662d272781cc8c9c4afd170a32727d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/c478a743a44ed046db82385b10b84bbd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/7538ddea7906beab50490d0daf23c1b1.jpg

[blackrangie]

LR may be ****house at building reliable cars but they sure are good at teasers and product launches.
Is it 66 pages of posts?

Regards PhilipAI would change the first sentance to used to be [emoji6]

[grey_ghost]

Did anybody else get the email from Land Rover?

Witness History



The wait is almost over. Join us tomorrow at 5:50pm AEST for the live reveal of the New Land Rover Defender.



http://image.exct.net/lib/fe6215707c62007e7512/m/1/5bf4439e-0942-4d78-9474-cbc1f0628c0d.gif



[bigsmile][biggrin][thumbsupbig]

Only problem is - I will be driving in the car at that time!

[discorevy]

Be good if they brought out a modern incarnation of the TD5

[micksta1973]

New Disco 6 is nearly here..............

[SBD4]

Did anybody else get the email from Land Rover?

Witness History



The wait is almost over. Join us tomorrow at 5:50pm AEST for the live reveal of the New Land Rover Defender.


http://image.exct.net/lib/fe6215707c62007e7512/m/1/5bf4439e-0942-4d78-9474-cbc1f0628c0d.gif


[bigsmile][biggrin][thumbsupbig]

Only problem is - I will be driving in the car at that time!
Yep, got that one too.

[blackrangie]

Yep, got that one too.+1

[blackrangie]

So does this show abs flares? This is a surprise for me, I was worried about the wide arches and damage.

Looks like LR are going hard on accessories toohttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/06ddba7bdadb30c568898bd3bf0e4e4c.jpg

[loanrangie]

Be good if they brought out a modern incarnation of the TD5

In 3ltr capacity with a proper common rail EFI system [thumbsupbig].

[blackrangie]

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsIZF7z3CQw)

Link for anyone that missed it.

[loanrangie]

So does this show abs flares? This is a surprise for me, I was worried about the wide arches and damage.

Looks like LR are going hard on accessories toohttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/06ddba7bdadb30c568898bd3bf0e4e4c.jpg

I thought they would be metal and part of the guards unless they are a different spec vehicle.

[blackrangie]

didn't really discuss models etc with him .. but he did say the the Defender would be priced below the Discovery "5" .. so fingers crossed. Now I'm looking forward to the "reveal" tomorrow at LR Brisbane and a trip to Frankfurt to see it for myselfCheck your private msgs mate [emoji6]

[blackrangie]

I thought they would be metal and part of the guards unless they are a different spec vehicle.Could have been a another part of the vehicle that was under camouflage, under wrap it looks like one guard, I'm wrapped it looks like there isn't ABS outer section according to that photo.

[rick130]

In 3ltr capacity with a proper common rail EFI system [thumbsupbig].

Common rail = cheap.

Nothing wrong with unit injectors. Still used in real diesels. [wink11]

[SBD4]

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsIZF7z3CQw)

Link for anyone that missed it.

24 Hours to go!

[discorevy]

Common rail = cheap.

Nothing wrong with unit injectors. Still used in real diesels. [wink11]

+1 , they can keep the same oil filtration system if they want as well. Offset crank, 20 valve head , vvt , even keeping at 2.5 litre should be good for a lazy 550-600 nm , they could accidently forget to encrypt the ecu as well . ...... OK that last one might be pushing it

[scarry]

Some sweet shots, in highish quality bar the vid screenshot.

Grab handles visible in middle shot.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/8e662d272781cc8c9c4afd170a32727d.jpg]

Thats a nice pic.

The rear cargo area looks small,hope its not smaller than the D4.

[TB]

Thats a nice pic.

The rear cargo area looks small,hope its not smaller than the D4.

Oh it’s definitely smaller than the D4. If you want a big wagon you’ll have to wait for the 130. But even so, payload is substantially higher at 900kg including a 300kg “static load” rating on the roof, for which they are prominently featuring a ladder. You can carry heaps on this thing.

Edit – now I’m doubting myself on that size judgement. I formed that opinion by looking at the test mules and checking the alignment of the driver seat, rear door opening, rear axle location, and short rear overhang. But still, they are selling a 5+2 seating option. If it’s +2 like a D4 then it’s pretty big in back. If it’s +2 like my Disco Sport then I’m not sure my fridge and battery would fit in the new Defender like they do in my D4 today.

[blackrangie]

Interesting the disco5 is 2405L of space, new defender is 2380L behind front seats, so pretty much the same, with much less rear overhang, so for overlanding or touring this gives a great combo, more weight centred and low.
Like our LSE RRC we pack the centre of the car up with heavy stuff, light stuff in the rear as much as possible.

Double rubberized sounds good, so rubber floor instead of carpet then rubber floor mats?

Will be interesting to see the air vs coil offroad angles and comparo.

After driving a disco5 properly offroad recently im 100% sold on air, so incredibly comfortable and just works. HDC is equally impressive as is the offroad cruise @ 1.8kph [emoji15][emoji1787].

I dont think LR is going to make it easy to not tick boxes by the looks [emoji51]

Also paint is going to be a tough one.

Hopefully configurations goes live straight after reveal, but official word from dealer is will be ready by morn after.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/87ca919b38c191241245ae1b8a47950f.jpg

[scarry]

Rear seats fold flat into floor which is great as well.

Fuel tank size will be interesting.

The Defender is much more square than the D5,so its rear could still be shorter,but volume similar.

[blackrangie]

Oh it’s definitely smaller than the D4. If you want a big wagon you’ll have to wait for the 130. But even so, payload is substantially higher at 900kg including a 300kg “static load” rating on the roof, for which they are prominently featuring a ladder. You can carry heaps on this thing.

Edit – now I’m doubting myself on that size judgement. I formed that opinion by looking at the test mules and checking the alignment of the driver seat, rear door opening, rear axle location, and short rear overhang. But still, they are selling a 5+2 seating option. If it’s +2 like a D4 then it’s pretty big in back. If it’s +2 like my Disco Sport then I’m not sure my fridge and battery would fit in the new Defender like they do in my D4 today.

Static is stationary so can have rooftop tent, racks etc etc + 2 people sleeping or crawing around etc..prob half load rating.

Im guessing RRC LSE rear legroom, plus DS +2 space in rear.

[blackrangie]

Thats a nice pic.

The rear cargo area looks small,hope its not smaller than the D4.Side storage for recovery gear/inflation maybe?

Im guessing storage and ladder dont extend past folded mirrors.

Aftermarket is gunna go nuts with this thing![emoji41]

[blackrangie]

Some specs stood out to me from leaked articles.

900kg payload(might vary with less seats)
900mm wading(might vary up or down with air/coils?)
300kg static roof load
38 approach
28 ramp
40 depart (angles will vary with air/coil)
2380L luggage space
3720kg towing*(vary?)
5,6 or 7 seats
294kw 550nm straight 6.
Software over the air.
Wireless charging
Clear sight ground view
Huge dash storage
Side storage
Side ladder
Expedition rack.
95% new D7x architecture, 3x stiffer than body on frame.

[trout1105]

Aftermarket is gunna go nuts with this thing!https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji41.png


Seriously?
The D5 and the new Defender have a Lot in common and the aftermarket mobs have done Bugger all for the D5[bigwhistle]

[ozscott]

Some specs stood out to me from leaked articles.

900kg payload(might vary with less seats)
900mm wading(might vary up or down with air/coils?)
300kg static roof load
38 approach
28 ramp
40 depart (angles will vary with air/coil)
2380L luggage space
3720kg towing*(vary?)
5,6 or 7 seats
294kw 550nm straight 6.
Software over the air.
Wireless charging
Clear sight ground view
Huge dash storage
Side storage
Side ladder
Expedition rack.
95% new D7x architecture, 3x stiffer than body on frame.What is the new 110 luggage space with seats up like families use it? Cheers

[blackrangie]

Seriously?
The D5 and the new Defender have a Lot in common and the aftermarket mobs have done Bugger all for the D5[bigwhistle]Very seriously.

And yes D5 has only been out 2.5 years and you can get everything you need to tour this country in it, in 5 years you will be able to get everything you can get for a D4 no doubt.
There are two proper rear drawer systems already that i know of, fourby fitouts and frontrunner, bar, winchbar, concealed winch mounts, sliders, multiple proper roofracks, RWC, 18inch wheels, 1-6inch lift kits.
Having driven a D5 offroad recently on stock everything, tbh you dont really need much anyway.

[blackrangie]

What is the new 110 luggage space with seats up like families use it? CheersWell seeming as though most family's have 2-3 people in AU, I would say 2380 Litres, seeming as though the new defender has 3 front seat option [emoji6][emoji41]

Seriously though, no idea, we will see tomorrow.

One things for sure, it will be way more than my RRC judging by the rear door size and boxy shape.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/de55f822df3996ec5d72ab8b75540883.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/bf54248afbb36dfd8521f77bb7a53d86.jpg

[ozscott]

Well seeming as though most family's have 2-3 people in AU, I would say 2380 Litres, seeming as though the new defender has 3 front seat option [emoji6][emoji41]

Seriously though, no idea, we will see tomorrow.

One things for sure, it will be way more than my RRC judging by the rear door size and boxy shape.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/de55f822df3996ec5d72ab8b75540883.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/bf54248afbb36dfd8521f77bb7a53d86.jpgHa.ha...I was certain you.were going to say that.

Cheers

[AK83]

..... it’s more what the new Defender should be, just in 7/8ths scale. It still has its ladder frame and solid axles, but it has a retro-inspired, welded body that allows every square centimetre of interior volume to be utilised......

Problem is that this design is ... weak!

Old Defender has a (braked)towing limit of 3500kgs.
This new monocoque design now goes up to 3700kgs.
What did the article say about static roof load capacity??? .. 300kgs? how many ladder frame chassis vehicles do you of that allow that load limit on the vehicle mounted roof rack?
Old Defer was something like 100kgs(?? .. someone will reply with the correct figure soon)


Do you really think LR would risk those kinds of load ratings and risk lawsuits and suchlike if it weren't capable of such!

People really need to get over this idea that a ladder chassis makes a vehicle 'strong' .. [bighmmm]

[one_iota]

I don't have a GPS but I have a Sat Nag...i.e. the Mrs. She is usually very reliable. If the Sat Nag makes an error I keep on going until I find a convenient place to turn and go back and hopefully hit the correct course.
I never listen to music when I'm driving as I find it distracting. I usually listen to Radio Land Rover 2.286 FM, Radio Land Rover 2495 FM or Radio Land Rover 2402FM, depending on the model that I am driving.

I too have a Nagivator.

She is always right even when she says left

[SBD4]

An interesting article which, I think, may express what many might feel:

Is the new 2020 Land Rover Defender destined to fail? | CarAdvice (https://www.caradvice.com.au/790534/is-the-new-2020-land-rover-defender-destined-to-fail/)

[blackrangie]

Interesting they dropped this article at the same time.

2020 Land Rover Defender: Off-road specs leaked | CarAdvice (https://www.caradvice.com.au/790622/2020-land-rover-defender-off-road-specs-leaked/)

[DrytheRain]

Problem is that this design is ... weak!

Old Defender has a (braked)towing limit of 3500kgs.
This new monocoque design now goes up to 3700kgs.
What did the article say about static roof load capacity??? .. 300kgs? how many ladder frame chassis vehicles do you of that allow that load limit on the vehicle mounted roof rack?
Old Defer was something like 100kgs(?? .. someone will reply with the correct figure soon)


Do you really think LR would risk those kinds of load ratings and risk lawsuits and suchlike if it weren't capable of such!

People really need to get over this idea that a ladder chassis makes a vehicle 'strong' .. [bighmmm]

I really wish I hadn’t mentioned the construction of the Jimny, as it’s completely distracting from the point I’ve been trying to make.

Let me put it simply:

On paper, the new Defender looks like it will be a very capable car.

However, in my opinion, the styling is a huge miss. The front end looks like a mashup of a Freelander I and an original Range Rover Sport. It just doesn’t look enough like a Defender to me.

This is compounded by the fact that other companies, including Suzuki, Jeep and Mercedes-Benz have all recently done a much better job of updating their icons. When you have an iconic design on your hands, it’s probably best to not just throw bits of it in the bin.

[blackrangie]

Heres some close up pics of the utilitarian looking model and interior someone kindly put up on insty.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/211e390dbdb6d4160487b011d1898ceb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/a6d582a6676ea3814d40346cc2dfa393.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/21aa9248af45f8e62a360d05df83e7d1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/dc5e447a87cc22ed55c49922887284d3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/bd5214522a588a28aff2423ca7d9aae9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/73d29b1ca031f7f4ff96cb96f4430869.jpg

[blackrangie]

Heres some of the 110 with all the gear.

Im loving the 110 with all the gear.

The storage box for me would be full of recovery gear and air hose etc [emoji6]

Notice the rooftop tent.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/f2dd2cab2e21d7b73c0e9736d5035541.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/5e64bb39a465349f5cf5c540752eac21.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/3210d0a460fe125b7f58080257071812.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/81f94d15f833e79edb6725128e13661c.jpg

[blackrangie]

And this looks like a slightly more luxury or optioned.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/1dd9998440f09755d3c452f3e0654580.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/b7404c81c399e30fb77fd3fcc18c1b4e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/b7b3f62551ab6e80799a68c9acfe467d.jpg

[Pedro_The_Swift]

is there a live stream of the great unveiling,,, [bigwhistle]



2020 Land Rover Defender Teaser Announces September 10 Reveal (https://www.motor1.com/news/367716/2020-land-rover-defender-teaser/)

aparently yes,, and the when is--

"British marque saying the event will begin at 9:50 AM CEST / 7:50 AM GMT / 3:50 AM Eastern Time."


anybody got a clock?

[blackrangie]

is there a live stream of the great unveiling,,, [bigwhistle]



2020 Land Rover Defender Teaser Announces September 10 Reveal (https://www.motor1.com/news/367716/2020-land-rover-defender-teaser/)

aparently yes,, and the when is--

"British marque saying the event will begin at 9:50 AM CEST / 7:50 AM GMT / 3:50 AM Eastern Time."


anybody got a clock?I have 5pm in my cal.

I just took this screenshot

The YouTube and Facebook links also should have a time

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsIZF7z3CQw)

Join us on 10/09/19 at 5:50PM for the reveal of the new Land Rover DEFENDER – an icon reimagined for the 21st century. (https://m.facebook.com/LandRoverAustralia/posts/2975715455837252?__tn__=-R-R)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/a9b2d8aef5d433c49c042bd32d4e77e9.jpg

[blackrangie]

From another forumhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/eba81ab76b9f2235f4ee4365c13b9551.jpg

[ozscott]

Is that lady taking out a tail light assembly from a Freelander 1?

Funny that because I definitely see some Freelander when I look at it...now I can't unsee it.

I thought I would like the look of saddle bags but I don't. I do like their functionality and the fact that they add to the load carrying and as BR says they would be good for recovery straps, gloves, etc.

As for load I am pretty sure some Defenders and Counties came with a 250 to 300kg capacity that was not reduced for off-road. The Triton I am picking up today says 80kg roof limit and there is no fine print as to reducing that to off-road. With alloy bars that allows 70kg plus of tent, stretchers, fishing gear etc. I'm very happy with that.

There is no reason why the fat air suspended 110 should not be able to sustain 100kg in all conditions.

Defender 1 would have been a pig with the full weight limit on the roof. For a tall vehicle 80kg or so would be max and my preference with my lifted D2 has been to stick with the factory limit which is 50kg in touring including offroading.

Cheers

[scarry]

Ha.ha...I was certain you.were going to say that.

Cheers

But he forgot one thing,up until the kids are a certain size/age they have to sit in booster or baby seats,which I doubt will fit in the front.[thumbsupbig]

Oh,and that roof load is STATIC so can’t be compared to other models,unless you have their static loads.Specs for roof load are not usually static,I can’t even find a static load for the D4,but it is usually three times normal roof load.

[ozscott]

But he forgot one thing,up until the kids are a certain size/age they have to sit in booster or baby seats,which I doubt will fit in the front.[thumbsupbig]

Oh,and that roof load is STATIC so can’t be compared to other models,unless you have their static loads.Specs for roof load are not usually static,I can’t even find a static load for the D4,but it is usually three times normal roof load.Mate my family is 5 and all my mates and family have 4 to 5 so I always think of second row up.

Cheers

[grey_ghost]

I'd be interested to see if those saddle bags pass ADR's - I thought that there is some rule about protrusions on the side of a vehicle? (I could have sworn something about this popped up recently in relation to some Perenties - and Jerry Can's on the side of them). Anyway - I can't wait to see this thing in the flesh. Some cars look crap in photos and better in the flesh, some cars look great in photos and crap in the flesh.. Only time will tell.

I am worried about BR though - what's he going to do after the big release!? [wink11]

[roverrescue]

My old 130 (1995) had a plated tow capacity of 4000kg in the handbook and on the tow hitch
So what was that about ladder vs New tech body?

The panier bags are a little naff albeit useful... bit of a risk of getting whacked on tight tracks though and definitely hinders blind spot on the outside

S

[goingbush]

ho hum

[DiscoMick]

Is that lady taking out a tail light assembly from a Freelander 1?

Funny that because I definitely see some Freelander when I look at it...now I can't unsee it.

I thought I would like the look of saddle bags but I don't. I do like their functionality and the fact that they add to the load carrying and as BR says they would be good for recovery straps, gloves, etc.

As for load I am pretty sure some Defenders and Counties came with a 250 to 300kg capacity that was not reduced for off-road. The Triton I am picking up today says 80kg roof limit and there is no fine print as to reducing that to off-road. With alloy bars that allows 70kg plus of tent, stretchers, fishing gear etc. I'm very happy with that.

There is no reason why the fat air suspended 110 should not be able to sustain 100kg in all conditions.

Defender 1 would have been a pig with the full weight limit on the roof. For a tall vehicle 80kg or so would be max and my preference with my lifted D2 has been to stick with the factory limit which is 50kg in touring including offroading.

Cheers
Towball 150 kilos included in the payload I think from memory. I'm at work and can't check.

[cjc_td5]

So, did you get any sleep last night BR? [emoji6][emoji106]

[blackrangie]

But he forgot one thing,up until the kids are a certain size/age they have to sit in booster or baby seats,which I doubt will fit in the front.[thumbsupbig]

Oh,and that roof load is STATIC so can’t be compared to other models,unless you have their static loads.Specs for roof load are not usually static,I can’t even find a static load for the D4,but it is usually three times normal roof load.Agreed so just pop one rear seat up.. satic was mentioned above from memory.
Static means stationary, so basically if you have your roof top tent and your rack plus 2 people sleeping you're fine.

[blackrangie]

I'd be interested to see if those saddle bags pass ADR's - I thought that there is some rule about protrusions on the side of a vehicle? (I could have sworn something about this popped up recently in relation to some Perenties - and Jerry Can's on the side of them). Anyway - I can't wait to see this thing in the flesh. Some cars look crap in photos and better in the flesh, some cars look great in photos and crap in the flesh.. Only time will tell.

I am worried about BR though - what's he going to do after the big release!? [wink11]No different to fitting an awning or a snorkel in my opinion.
I'll be driving my defender how about you? [emoji1787] nice that you care though [emoji8]

[blackrangie]

Someones photoshop, very good effort imohttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/70e17affd5f7c3f1d7a53529e8b6f5ea.jpg

[veebs]

154092

Quick and dirty comparison against the gold standard in vehicles (the D4), the D5, the best detail I could scavange for a 2013 defender 110, and what we know about the 2020 Defender...

[blackrangie]

154092

Quick and dirty comparison against the gold standard in vehicles (the D4), the D5, the best detail I could scavange for a 2013 defender 110, and what we know about the 2020 Defender...Thanks!
Im sure you know as per D5 air/coil affects angles and wading
Seat number affects payload

[JimR]

Someones photoshop, very good effort imohttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/70e17affd5f7c3f1d7a53529e8b6f5ea.jpg

What about a big set of swinging cow testicles and donkey dick windscreen wipers. Looks like LR designers too much glass bbq [bawl]:bat:

[veebs]

Thanks!
Im sure you know as per D5 air/coil affects angles and wading
Seat number affects payload

Yeah, got that, and the D5 angles may be in 'extended offroad' mode, it isn't clear from the detail. The number of seats i listed is 'seats you can sit in with this amount of volume', rather than total installed seats in the car ;)

[blackrangie]

What about a big set of swinging cow **** and donkey **** windscreen wipers. Looks like LR designers too much glass bbq [bawl]:bat:



https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/3e428c65c7162a3ba42ffb0eca7402e2.jpg

[grey_ghost]

No different to fitting an awning or a snorkel in my opinion.
I'll be driving my defender how about you? [emoji1787] nice that you care though [emoji8]

I am hoping to purchase a 90 - when they are released next year. I am not silly enough to place an order - until I have seen it, driven it and looked at the specification sheets and options. I can't wait for some real facts.

In the meantime - I will continue to drive my FFR, 101, Range Rover Classic, Discovery 1, Freelander 1, Series 2 88, Series 2 109, etc. [thumbsupbig]

[DiscoMick]

154092

Quick and dirty comparison against the gold standard in vehicles (the D4), the D5, the best detail I could scavange for a 2013 defender 110, and what we know about the 2020 Defender...
Interesting.
Isn't the 110 Defender wagon payload 1044kg, or have I got that wrong?

https://topix.landrover.jlrext.com/topix/service/procedure/173715/PDF/9bd8efd5-ed6a-47d3-b11c-64e9da49d367/en_GB

Edit: Using those topix numbers, for a standard no options 110 wagon I get 994kg and for a HD 110 wagon I get 1444kg. Is that correct?

[ozscott]

154092

Quick and dirty comparison against the gold standard in vehicles (the D4), the D5, the best detail I could scavange for a 2013 defender 110, and what we know about the 2020 Defender...Nice table. Practically though the old Defender would easily wade 900mm.

Cheers

[blackrangie]

I am hoping to purchase a 90 - when they are released next year. I am not silly enough to place an order - until I have seen it, driven it and looked at the specification sheets and options. I can't wait for some real facts.

In the meantime - I will continue to drive my FFR, 101, Range Rover Classic, Discovery 1, Freelander 1, Series 2 88, Series 2 109, etc. [thumbsupbig]No one has ordered any yet fyi [emoji6]

[blackrangie]

Wowsers, here we go folks [emoji41]

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYrN8MKLfJw)

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRJgPS0f2pM)

[blackrangie]

That black interior with the wood paneling is just beautiful! [emoji7]

Very cool exterior colour combos, explorer pack [emoji1419]

[DiscoMick]

Looks good. About three vids in is a Country Pack with some promising accessories. Also liked the shots of it towing a substantial caravan.

[djambalawa]

Wowsers, here we go folks [emoji41]

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYrN8MKLfJw)

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRJgPS0f2pM)

It looks fantastic... way better than I thought it would.. I think i'm in love.. :)

[discorevy]

Love the look of the 90, here's hoping for durability and reliability

[grey_ghost]

I think that I'm in love.

But I also think that I will need to rob a bank.. [bawl]

[tc_s1]

It looks fantastic... way better than I thought it would.. I think i'm in love.. :)It actually looks better in motion to my eye than it does at rest. There were scenes in the videos that looked very reminiscent in motion of classic 110s or defenders, others less ao and obviously superior movement with modern assist. I don't hate it, certainly not. I don't love it (at least not yet), but I know for a fact I'd like to try it and see what develops from there.........hmm.... sounds kind of how SWMBO looked at me once and things turned out pretty well. [biggrin]

[PhilipA]

Just a word from an old motor industry person .

The first 6 months to a year's production will all be highly optioned expensive specifications as LR will try to "make hay while the sun shines" so don't expect to be able to buy a "stripper" until dealers are buying vehicles for stock and the stock builds.
The gauge of success of the Defender will be how long they can keep building and selling all the premium specification vehicles that they can . One year at least for a successful model , 6 months if a dog.

I fear/hope those wanting a stripper will be waiting a long time.

I want one, as the reasons I would not get an old model were A I couldn't fit in it and B they were just so agricultural. My RRCs and D2 are the nearest I could get. But reality says I will have to win Lotto first.

Regards PhilipA

[blackrangie]

Just a word from an old motor industry person .

The first 6 months to a year's production will all be highly optioned expensive specifications as LR will try to "make hay while the sun shines" so don't expect to be able to buy a "stripper" until dealers are buying vehicles for stock and the stock builds.
The gauge of success of the Defender will be how long they can keep building and selling all the premium specification vehicles that they can . One year at least for a successful model , 6 months if a dog.

I fear/hope those wanting a stripper will be waiting a long time.

I want one, as the reasons I would not get an old model were A I couldn't fit in it and B they were just so agricultural. My RRCs and D2 are the nearest I could get. But reality says I will have to win Lotto first.

Regards PhilipACheers, I think the 90 is 6months after 110 delivery from memory. We shall see tonight/tomorrow once the builder goes live [emoji7]

[shack]

Here's a blanket statement.

I've just watched the two new videos.

Anyone who doesn't like it should immediately seek professional help.

Immediately.

[Gregz]

Also, for D5, the brochure (MY18) has volume of 2406 lt for rear seats folded.

[Gregz]

I like the Pangea green, at least its a green - but probably a premium ultra supadupa paint for only $29k extra. [bigwhistle]

Actually I just want to go to all the places in the videos, now .

[irondoc]

I've got wood.

[jon3950]

Here's a blanket statement.

I've just watched the two new videos.

Anyone who doesn't like it should immediately seek professional help.

Immediately.

Oh well, I think that's me.

It looks good from an engineering point of view and the interior looks like a good, if perhaps a little too luxurious, modern interpretation of the previous interior.

The basic shape and proportions look good too.

What I don't like is the exterior design language. Doesn't seem cohesive to me and way too many fiddly bits. To me this goes against the original Land Rover ethos. Those tail lights just look wrong. Its a pity they couldn't have gone for a more form follows function style like they did with the D3. That is a vehicle that was considered ugly on its release, but has aged very well as the design language made sense. This one's a bit of a dog's breakfast.

Hopefully it will look better in the flesh, but my first impression is that I will be looking forward to the first face-lift.

Cheers,
Jon

[micksta1973]

Sorry, I don't like it. I know it's a whole new model, but it's lost the Defender soul. Yuck.

[goingbush]

I do not like it one little bit. IMO Theres absolutely nothing to like about it . Clearly people are easily brainwashed, perhaps the Leaks & hype have done their job, I doubt that will translate into enough sales to save the company.

260 & 644 views on the youtube video , says it all , obviously not as anticipated as some of you people think.

[Rob66]

154097

This is a really good shot of the offroad tech. You can see what each wheel is doing, the diff locks and what is under and around the car. amazing!

[shack]

I do not like it one little bit. IMO Theres absolutely nothing to like about it . Clearly people are easily brainwashed, perhaps the Leaks & hype have done their job, I doubt that will translate into enough sales to save the company.

260 & 644 views on the youtube video , says it all , obviously not as anticipated as some of you people think.Was there a time leaks WEREN'T synonymous with a defender?

And people are easily brainwashed, I recently saw someone compare a Subaru outback to a 200 series, and then slam the track that they were on, suggesting that if it was bad in an outback, the 200 series would fare no better.

Hang on, maybe that's just stupid, not brainwashed.


And yep, most of those YouTube views were me, well 200 or so anyway.

[blackrangie]

Another vid, shows the 90 much better.

Mate, they knocked this out of the park, well done Landrover!

YouTube (https://youtu.be/rgSxmyOnJjg)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/25fd28754b1b91141c457d4d00de0c8b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/645cd3ac802b472390284adc9aabd312.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/79462a6aa5707a8817184f07d98404d0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/eb6d6fd326d7d92f922e46a0fcd7d794.jpg

[Gregz]

I do! I like it, Sam-I-am!
And I would like it in a boat!
And I would like it with a goat...
And I will like it in the rain.
And in the dark. And on a train.
And in a car. And in a tree.
It is so good, so good, you see!

So I will like it in a box.
And I will like it with a fox.
And I will like it in a house.
And I will like it with a mouse.
And I will like it here and there.
Say! I will like it anywhere!

[100inch]

Maybe I got it wrong but it seems you get different wheel arches. Which is good news for hard 4WD and tyre options. m

[djambalawa]

I do not like it one little bit. IMO Theres absolutely nothing to like about it . Clearly people are easily brainwashed, perhaps the Leaks & hype have done their job, I doubt that will translate into enough sales to save the company.

260 & 644 views on the youtube video , says it all , obviously not as anticipated as some of you people think.

No surprise there mate you haven't exactly been a beacon of optimism throughout all this! :)

With the view numbers it probably irrelevant.. the youtube channel wasn't a popular one.. wasn't even an official landrover channel.. might be some leaked footage posted by a few different channels.. time of day etc also.. I think it'll be pretty popular.. I'd buy some shares (Tata?) if i could be bothered to learn how...

[blackrangie]

Ladder folds down as per legohttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/dfcd8f2097c04a814a39e86cfcbc059e.jpg

[goingbush]

Another vid, shows the 90 much better.

Mate, they knocked this out of the park, well done Landrover!

YouTube (https://youtu.be/rgSxmyOnJjg)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/25fd28754b1b91141c457d4d00de0c8b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/645cd3ac802b472390284adc9aabd312.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/79462a6aa5707a8817184f07d98404d0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/eb6d6fd326d7d92f922e46a0fcd7d794.jpg

Are you kidding.

What made the Defender, & 90 / 110 & Series 1, 2 & 3 LandRovers before it so great was its ability for anyone to make it whatever they wanted . Theres nothing you could not unbolt / modify , re-engineer / upgrade or interchange . In essence it was a meccano set..

No longer will the slogan "LandRover turning owners into Mechanics" apply , Theres not a damn thing you will be able to do to these unitary pieces of crap (well easily or within the DIY ability of the typical owner) . The pictures above show exactly that.

Shame on you JLR .

I understand there are people that do & will like it , just as there are people that like the FL2 / RRS / D3 / D4 / D5 and this vehicle belongs in that family & its only association with Defender is by name alone. RIP Defender , its a sad day indeed!

Now bring on the Jeep Gladiator !

[blackrangie]

Are you kidding.

What made the Defender, & 90 / 110 & Series 1, 2 & 3 LandRovers before it so great was its ability for anyone to make it whatever they wanted . Theres nothing you could not unbolt / modify , re-engineer / upgrade or interchange . In essence it was a meccano set..

No longer will the slogan "LandRover turning owners into Mechanics" apply , Theres not a damn thing you will be able to do to these unitary pieces of crap (well easily or within the DIY ability of the typical owner) . The pictures above show exactly that.

Shame on you JLR .

I understand there are people that do & will like it , just as there are people that like the FL2 / RRS / D3 / D4 / D5 and this vehicle belongs in that family & its only association with Defender is by name alone. RIP Defender , its a sad day indeed!

Now bring on the Jeep Gladiator !Not kidding at all mate, deadly serious, they have done a fantastic job of reinventing and icon and keeping it as tough as possible in this day & age, you're welcome to your opinion but this is mine [emoji1417][emoji1422]

[ramblingboy42]

LR may be ****house at building reliable cars but they sure are good at teasers and product launches.
Is it 66 pages of posts?

Regards PhilipA

yes it is , but so many pages are just quoted replies of photos of photos, which has been sooooooooo boring

[veebs]

So to sum up:

Existing Defender Drivers: "I hate it, because it isn't old school/uncomfortable/dangerous"
Existing D3/4 Drivers that didn't like the D5: "Love it, finally a comfortable, capable, utilitarian vehicle"

Exceptions to both of course, but as a generalisation, thats what i'm reading? That, and the people that 'hated' it when under wraps/camo continue to do so.

Like most of my 'type' above, I like it a lot. I don't trust first editions (of anything) enough to go out and buy this particular one, but a year or two down the track, when more bugs are ironed out, I'll be sitting at a dealership for sure.

[scarry]

Wowsers, here we go folks [emoji41]

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYrN8MKLfJw)

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRJgPS0f2pM)

😍😍

The more I see of it the more I like it.

That’s gonna Replace our D4 for sure.[thumbsupbig]

[blackrangie]

Not long nowhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/34a6952f739b0174a18d62891627b49a.jpg

[irondoc]

Not sure about the side ladder. Maybe to get up to a rooftop tent, but not for loading - maybe others could comment. On my D4 I can stand on the big flat rear bar with a bike and get it onto the roof, harder to do from the side. Harder to do a rear ladder on the Def2 with the swing away door though.

[simonmelb]

I like it - if it’s more diy serviceable than a D4 and the engine has proven not to self destruct , well in 10 years time when I could justify buying a used one, count me in!

A d4 would fit my needs now but there’s too many repairs that are not diy friendly like my D2, So I’m hoping the Defender straight 4 or 6 setup proves easier to work on.

[cjc_td5]

Not long nowhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/34a6952f739b0174a18d62891627b49a.jpg

Its going to have a flat battery by the time they lift the covers off!!

[ChookD2]

This looks like the first ad

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgSxmyOnJjg)

[cjc_td5]

I had a Jag demo vehicle the other day whilst my D4 was being serviced with a stick shifter like the new Defender. It was OK but I thought the D & R were arse about. I kept pulling it backwards to engage Reverse, but of course it went forwards! It should be like a skid-steer where forwards means forwards and visa-versa!

[ramblingboy42]

I do! I like it, Sam-I-am!
And I would like it in a boat!
And I would like it with a goat...
And I will like it in the rain.
And in the dark. And on a train.
And in a car. And in a tree.
It is so good, so good, you see!

So I will like it in a box.
And I will like it with a fox.
And I will like it in a house.
And I will like it with a mouse.
And I will like it here and there.
Say! I will like it anywhere!


how did I know this was going to happen?

[blackrangie]

42mins to go [emoji41]

[Pedro_The_Swift]

anyone have a live link?

not UK landrover,, but thats OK,, not even a countdown clock,,

[ramblingboy42]

42mins to go [emoji41]

I havent been this excited since the Holden Monaro was released[tonguewink][tonguewink][tonguewink][tonguewink][tonguewink]