Which way is better to sell a D4?

[BrianElloy]

Gday groovers .. thinking about offloading my 2016 D4 TDV6

Here’s the question - should I sell as-is with all the kit it has installed (eg rhino platform and awning, LED spots, full APT underbody bash plates & rock sliders, UHF, LLAMS, Traxide DBMS with Optima Aux battery, and Redarc brake controller) or remove the lot before selling

What would be more appealing to a prospective buyer?

(Noting I’ll need to find some sill trim to fill the gap when the rock sliders get removed and plug a couple of holes in the dash with trim plugs /grommets)

Opinions please

It has a new battery and brakes so it kinda pains me to sell, but SWMBO said we need to downsize ...

[ontheway]

I'd go with a detailed and very well written ad on carsales and gumtree to appeal to the right buyer. they are out there. Include detailed maintenance.

[John_D4]

My D2 was fully kitted our. I probably didn’t get what it was fully worth when it sold, but it got lots of attention. When we bought the d4 we were after pretty much what you’re selling. I’d sell it complete personally.

[LRD414]

No selling is allowed in the main forum areas.
Please don't cross that line or the whole thread will have to go.
Stick to opinions on selling with/without accessories for D4s

Scott

[Narangga]

It has a new battery and brakes so it kinda pains me to sell, but SWMBO said we need to downsize ...

Please,Please,PLEASE refer her to your number plate!!!:no2:

[Homestar]

Gday groovers .. thinking about offloading my 2016 D4 TDV6

Here’s the question - should I sell as-is with all the kit it has installed (eg rhino platform and awning, LED spots, full APT underbody bash plates & rock sliders, UHF, LLAMS, Traxide DBMS with Optima Aux battery, and Redarc brake controller) or remove the lot before selling

What would be more appealing to a prospective buyer?

(Noting I’ll need to find some sill trim to fill the gap when the rock sliders get removed and plug a couple of holes in the dash with trim plugs /grommets)

Opinions please

It has a new battery and brakes so it kinda pains me to sell, but SWMBO said we need to downsize ...

Is the downsize going to be a smaller/less expensive 4WD or you getting out of the game completely? Reason I ask is that if you plan another build now or later, retuning the vehicle to near standard and keeping the bits for another build might make sense.

[John_D4]

Is the downsize going to be a smaller/less expensive 4WD or you getting out of the game completely? Reason I ask is that if you plan another build now or later, retuning the vehicle to near standard and keeping the bits for another build might make sense.

Or selling the bits to those of us who are building their car would also make sense. When I sold my d2 I made the decision to sell it complete. I don’t know if the price would have changed with less accessories or not. The list of stuff you’d like to take off is pretty much what I’m looking at putting on tho!

[Bohica]

Change the SWMBO

[twr7cx]

Personally I’d be very put off by a vehicle with plugs covering holes from previous modifications. For the same price I’d definitely find one without that.
Would much rather the additional accessory was still there. The fact it’s missing makes me wonder why - is the owner trying to pretend the vehicle never did any work meanwhile the evidence of it (such as a trailer brake controller) having been there indicates otherwise.

At the end of the day modifications rarely add much value to a vehicle. You likely knew that going in, so why be concerned about it now?

Theres also the time factor - removing them, covering it up, seperate sales to sell them, etc.

[DieselLSE]

Agree with selling as is and making a feature of it being "expedition ready" or however you want to phrase it. Perhaps price it a little higher than comparatively aged/mileage vehicles to give you some wriggle room.

[scarry]

Change the SWMBO

Hmm,mines a bit different,i can't get her out of the bloody thing,she loves it.

Don't know whether thats good or bad[bigwhistle]

[Bohica]

Hmm,mines a bit different,i can't get her out of the bloody thing,she loves it.

Don't know whether thats good or bad[bigwhistle]

I'd swap yours with mine. Mine gets scared on the childrens Scooby Doo roller coaster in Warner Brother Movie World.

[ATH]

I've actually been having the same thoughts after being in Broome recently where our next door neighbour in the van park complained about no one willing to even look at his vehicle for a basic service because it wasn't a Tojo. Same attitude is present in many places.
The Cook has even expressed the same thoughts as to her the Disco is just too complicated.
Shall I return it to near standard or leave it as is? I've still got the original bumper in top condition so that could go back with just new front mudguards bits necessary as they were cut to fit it. RWC could come off with no problems. Rhino rack the same. Chuck out my homemade storage system in the back. Otherwise there's not much needs to be done to it and it's still in top unmarked condition.
Horrid decision to make but I may just have to join the darkside........ :(
AlanH.

[Lukeis]

Depends where you live.

I was searching for my car for a little while and honestly never looked at a single D4 that has a bullbar or rear wheel carrier, because I didn’t like the look. I suspect most people in Sydney or other cities will think the same

in the country I suspect they’d want one on already.


My opinion is different now but same result, I like the look but still wouldn’t buy one all kitted out because I know that car has worked harder than those in the city

[DieselLSE]

wouldn’t buy one all kitted out because I know that car has worked harder than those in the city
Not necessarily. Mine is fully kitted out but is babied along, whether that be in the city or in the bush. With regular servicing and updating, I venture to say it is better maintained and serviced than any dealer serviced car. And probably in the top percentage of Landrovers being properly driven.
By all means avoid a kitted out car from a boy racer or anyone who has ever driven like they do in typical 4WD ads!
But a car that has been prepared by an experienced Landrover owner will almost certainly be a good buy.
In any event, a little time spent just looking underneath the car will tell you everything you need to know about how it was driven.

[Homestar]

I'd swap yours with mine. Mine gets scared on the childrens Scooby Doo roller coaster in Warner Brother Movie World.

So do I... anything more than a merry go round is too much for me... 🤮

[Bohica]

So do I... anything more than a merry go round is too much for me... 🤮
I took the three younger kids to Luna Park over the last holidays. I felt a bit queasy after one ride, the Enterprise, the Pharoah doid not help. I skipped the Power Surge. Thankfully the young daughter did not want to go on it.

What I found interesting was the attention from 'single' mums with kids to this 'single' man with kids. I do not get this when I am with the wife and kids.

[loanrangie]

I always look for clean non modified vehicles when i buy, a bar wouldnt put me off but muddies and other offroad oriented gear would unless i was looking at a cheap high mileage vehicle knowing full well it was well used.

[Markus1]

It's all about condition of the vehicle for me, starting with low KMs of course. If it checks out then all those accessories save a tonne of money and hassle. And don't forget there's heaps of people who 'think' they need every accessory just to drive on a bit of gravel. Advertise it correctly and you'll do fine. If it's been meticulously maintained then say so and give some details of that. Give details of its use...towing etc. If you have an Indy your on good terms with then give a true interested buyer his contact details. All this will help you demand full price when the haggling starts. Good luck.

[josh.huber]

I think its all case by case basis really, some have said they would look the other way thinking its been harder used etc, i would look at it more, new accessories are very expensive and can easily ad 5 - 10k to the price of the car which probably isn't sitting in your wallet after a purchase, if i was going to put the car on finance id rather it finished the way i want, then no out of pocket expense, id rather pay that 5-10k off per week then in a lump sum, but that's just me.
I generally think people that add accessories and use there cars are a bit more savvy with looking after them, getting oils changed more etc, again that's just me.

If you were selling to me id wish all the gear was on there, some other people none at all. I think as addressed the thing you need to do is get the ad photos right, pay the extra, put 30 photos up, link it to a youtube clip etc.

[tony_s]

When I sold my D4 it had Rhino bars on the roof, ARB bar, rwc, long range tank, yellow top dual battery, etc. Based on the price I got vs similar cars on the market without accessories, I think I got nothing for them. I suspect some potential purchasers may have been put off by the extras, but who knows. Either way, I got a rubbish price for a very good car. I sold the cargo barrier separately and regret not taking off the light bar and dual battery system. I also took out the uhf radio and have reused it in my D5.
The whole experience led me to believe that the resale price of Discoveries is pretty poor, with or without accessories.
Tony

[josh.huber]

I 100% agree with that statement I copped so much flak for buying one, and people just don't know what they're capable of, or that 9 out of 10 people probably don't have any issues at all, they run scared of the complexities but don't understand that all cars are covered in modules these days. The dealers don't help, I had a mate go to buy a hse in the north west, asked them to guarantee they wouldn't tow truck it to Perth it something went wrong, they said no, he drives a LC now.
The other problem is the automotive industry moved forward very quickly, meanwhile training in that industry went backwards, leaving no one to comfortably support the product. Not to mention the incorrect idea that parts are expensive.
Rant over, back to subject, I've got a mate who is interested in buying one in a year when he does the lap with his family, I know he'd rather have a bull bar and dual battery then not, so while it might not add value to the sale, it might make the sale happen allot sooner, which depending on your circumstances may be great or of no consequence at all. With the amount of depreciation suffered, I'd persuade the "boss"

[ontheway]

Personally I’d be very put off by a vehicle with plugs covering holes from previous modifications. For the same price I’d definitely find one without that.
Would much rather the additional accessory was still there. The fact it’s missing makes me wonder why - is the owner trying to pretend the vehicle never did any work meanwhile the evidence of it (such as a trailer brake controller) having been there indicates otherwise.


I agree with the above - I went over my prospective purchase (as an over-researched buyer) carefully and signs of previous mods would have taken money off the table vs unmodified.

[Lukeis]

Not necessarily. Mine is fully kitted out but is babied along, whether that be in the city or in the bush. With regular servicing and updating, I venture to say it is better maintained and serviced than any dealer serviced car. And probably in the top percentage of Landrovers being properly driven.
By all means avoid a kitted out car from a boy racer or anyone who has ever driven like they do in typical 4WD ads!
But a car that has been prepared by an experienced Landrover owner will almost certainly be a good buy.
In any event, a little time spent just looking underneath the car will tell you everything you need to know about how it was driven.

I agree with you, but when you are looking at a list of 50 cars from strangers you don’t know the level of care you in particular took. You just rule out any that present a risk

[DieselLSE]

I agree with you, but when you are looking at a list of 50 cars from strangers you don’t know the level of care you in particular took. You just rule out any that present a risk
Yes, I take your point. Most people will be looking for a second hand car that presents as close as possible to a new showroom car. And if you have an intention to sell your car within a few years of new, then it makes sense to keep it original. But we all know and must accept that as soon as we personalise our cars we are limiting their future desirability. Or at least narrowing the saleability to those who plan on making similar changes to the car.
I guess the general consensus of advice to the OP is to either market the car as is with all mods positioned as being well thought out, engineered and desirable OR to restore the car to standard specs if it can be done without leaving any traces of the mods.
It's the OP's choice and I'd have no argument either way.

[SeanC]

Sounds like I did it all wrong. Was looking for a D3 for primarily off-road. Started looking for a low km city vehicle. Looking at around mid $30k at the time.

Then included off-road mods and the figure got a bit above what I wanted to spend.

Ended up getting a 2008. 170,000kms with winch, 17" rims, bullbar, traxide dual battery, Safari snorkel, aux fuel tank and RWC. Had been used off-road and towed a caravan. Price $26k. Off-road accessories about $10k.

For a lower km city vehicle plus $10k for accessories looking mid $40ks. Close to $20k difference.

That will get me a transmission rebuild and a long way towards an exchange engine.

Been a great vehicle so far. Need a new torque converter soon but is something I had expected.

In my case the accessories went a long in my purchase decisions.

[BrianElloy]

I’ll just bloody well keep it then. Too much invested in well thought out mods and too few babied on-road kms to give it away to a bottom-feeder who doesn’t know what they’re buying.

[DiscoMick]

You don't get back the value of accessories so the choices are to either remove them or to leave them on and cop the loss.

[AlexRS4]

If anyone is looking to sell a kitted D4 then flick me a PM. I've just messaged drowell about his and may be in the market (km, price, condition depending).

[shanegtr]

I'd sell it as is - there will always be a buyer for something that's ready to go. For me personally I like to buy a vehicle that's as clean/neat as possible if buying in stock condition. But I do like to go offroad and if is fully kitted out then I don't mind dropping my expectations on the condition - If a vehicle has most/all of the accessories I would put on then I can save a heap of $$ having to shell out myself to put it onto a clean slate.

[discoben]

I went through the process of buying a d4 last year and wouldn't look at a modified car. It's funny because the second I found a city slicker xxv with low KMs at a dealer I snapped it up and added most of the mods you mention.

I guess it comes down to the buyers desire to do something clean their own way or walk in drive out all done for you.

If you think your final product is exceptional maybe you need to sell that better. Pictures and well chosen words sell cars online, credibility is the key.

[drowell]

Everyone has their view but unfortunately some of the comments below add to the "soccer mum" stigma.
People saying they wouldn't modify their car and risk loss of value. Why did you buy such a capable car then? Granted they are great straight "out of the box" but some of the kit you "just need". LLAMS, LR tank, bull bar, Kaymar bar - if you plan to be outback too far.
My D4 HSE was not cheap (I bought it new in 2010 as a custom build with the e-diff) and there are other cheaper luxo vehicles to choose from where you haven't paid a bomb for something you won't fully use.
A post below says my car was listed here (and on CarSales). It's fully decked. For a 2010, I think I got good money for it,and the buyer is happy with what he got for that money. The car has been very well cared for and done up tastefully and professionally.
Bear in mind - you buy a second hand car to save money. Same deal for the accessories. People don't all want to pay a bomb for new gear. My accessories cost me almost as much as what I'm selling the whole car for.
There's a comment somewhere below about "just keeping it". I was thaaaat close. I agreed with my wife we would spend that much accessorising a new car so why not just put this one in the shed and keep it for trips.
The question that brought me to this thread is a tricky one close to my heart. Sell with the bits or otherwise? I can't imagine selling without the bits. What would you do with them? They are worth nothing second hand. Who wants a car with grommets in the dash?
My issue was more about what the car was worth, given there were none out there with the same level of kit. I tested the water and reduced the price slighty to meet the market. Note though that buyers for heavily kitted cars are few and far between.
My two cents worth...I hope it helps.
I will miss my Disco. We had some great times.
Doug

[drowell]

I'd sell it as is - there will always be a buyer for something that's ready to go. For me personally I like to buy a vehicle that's as clean/neat as possible if buying in stock condition. But I do like to go offroad and if is fully kitted out then I don't mind dropping my expectations on the condition - If a vehicle has most/all of the accessories I would put on then I can save a heap of $$ having to shell out myself to put it onto a clean slate.
Bingo!

[John_D4]

Everyone has their view but unfortunately some of the comments below add to the "soccer mum" stigma.
People saying they wouldn't modify their car and risk loss of value. Why did you buy such a capable car then? Granted they are great straight "out of the box" but some of the kit you "just need". LLAMS, LR tank, bull bar, Kaymar bar - if you plan to be outback too far.
My D4 HSE was not cheap (I bought it new in 2010 as a custom build with the e-diff) and there are other cheaper luxo vehicles to choose from where you haven't paid a bomb for something you won't fully use.
A post below says my car was listed here (and on CarSales). It's fully decked. For a 2010, I think I got good money for it,and the buyer is happy with what he got for that money. The car has been very well cared for and done up tastefully and professionally.
Bear in mind - you buy a second hand car to save money. Same deal for the accessories. People don't all want to pay a bomb for new gear. My accessories cost me almost as much as what I'm selling the whole car for.
There's a comment somewhere below about "just keeping it". I was thaaaat close. I agreed with my wife we would spend that much accessorising a new car so why not just put this one in the shed and keep it for trips.
The question that brought me to this thread is a tricky one close to my heart. Sell with the bits or otherwise? I can't imagine selling without the bits. What would you do with them? They are worth nothing second hand. Who wants a car with grommets in the dash?
My issue was more about what the car was worth, given there were none out there with the same level of kit. I tested the water and reduced the price slighty to meet the market. Note though that buyers for heavily kitted cars are few and far between.
My two cents worth...I hope it helps.
I will miss my Disco. We had some great times.
Doug

Glad you sold it so fast. I’m a bit bummed that I misunderstood you and missed out on it. Still I’m quite happy with my 2013 D4

[ATH]

I was going to sell the unmarked front bumper they removed to fit the bull bar but have decided to store it as I'll flog the "D' in the not too distant future. RWC and roof rack removal won't need much to cover any holes.
It's great car and the last LR I buy after having 5 of them, as I'm sick of hearing about so called mechanics refusing to work on anything that hasn't come out of Asia.
AlanH.

PS. If I can't get a decent price for the bits I take off I'll destroy them.

[Eric SDV6SE]

I was going to sell the unmarked front bumper they removed to fit the bull bar but have decided to store it as I'll flog the "D' in the not too distant future. RWC and roof rack removal won't need much to cover any holes.
It's great car and the last LR I buy after having 5 of them, as I'm sick of hearing about so called mechanics refusing to work on anything that hasn't come out of Asia.
AlanH.

PS. If I can't get a decent price for the bits I take off I'll destroy them.
Hi ATH, pls let me know when you decide to part ways with your D4, id be interested in any accessories you have "left over"

Eric

[AlexRS4]

As the guy who is picking up drowell's kitted out Disco4 shortly, I concur. I was looking for a car that is comfortable day to day, comfortable for interstate highway trips, relatively reliable, that I could take mountain biking, on long trips and camping. I looked at heaps of cars from BMW M3s to stock Disco 4s to L405 range rovers and was leaning towards a 2016 L494 RRS until I saw the fully kitted disco. It was a good price, top spec, well looked after and had all the mods I probably would have done anyway.

Part of the value of having a car that isn't stock and immaculate is that I can have a nice daily driver but also not lose sleep over muddy bike gear, a crazy kelpie running around the boot, going off road and getting bush pinstriping, or long trips driving the km up. I've also got nothing to spend if I just want to jump in and head out to the Simpson.

[Dagilmo]

I've been reading this thread with interest as I've not long gone through the same decision. It's a pretty simple equation (if you look at it subjectively and not objectively.) If you are not going to use the accessories on the next vehicle then the question is this: How will I get more money from the transaction/s?

A. Sell as is?
B. Sell vehicle without accessories plus sell accessories separately plus the value of the labour to remove and sell the accessories?

I know this is the essence of the OP's post but only market research will answer this. The market is the market. Your stuff is only worth what someone else will pay for it. Not what you paid for it complicated by the sentimental/emotional value you place on it.

Destroy them if you want (that'll teach them a lesson!) , don't sell to 'bottom feeders'....How's your face going without out it's nose?

I sold the D3 with most accessories and got way more privately than offered as a trade in. Would have bought a kitted D4 in a heart beat if one was available at the time.

There is a buyer for every vehicle at the market price.

[Lukeis]

I've been reading this thread with interest as I've not long gone through the same decision. It's a pretty simple equation (if you look at it subjectively and not objectively.) If you are not going to use the accessories on the next vehicle then the question is this: How will I get more money from the transaction/s?

A. Sell as is?
B. Sell vehicle without accessories plus sell accessories separately plus the value of the labour to remove and sell the accessories?

I know this is the essence of the OP's post but only market research will answer this. The market is the market. Your stuff is only worth what someone else will pay for it. Not what you paid for it complicated by the sentimental/emotional value you place on it.

Destroy them if you want (that'll teach them a lesson!) , don't sell to 'bottom feeders'....How's your face going without out it's nose?

I sold the D3 with most accessories and got way more privately than offered as a trade in. Would have bought a kitted D4 in a heart beat if one was available at the time.

There is a buyer for every vehicle at the market price.

love this. “If I cant get what I want for them I’ll destroy the bits” possibly the most immature comment I’ve read on a forum. it’s called recycling and you will make the world a whole lot better if you fix your attitude to this and remember it’s ALWAYS better that someone else gets to use them than they go in the bin. I sold my old headlights for $1 on eBay, never actually got the dollar and had to sit around and meet the buyer to give them to him but the alternative was put perfectly good lights in the bin.

option B - agreed. And in most circumstances it would be a break even at best.

[Geedublya]

I gave away a lot of the bits off my D4 or sold them for bugger all. Last council clean up cleared away D4 calipers, rotors and pads that nobody wanted free. IMO you are better off selling the vehicle with all the bits, there will be a buyer who wants them all or most of them.

[John_D4]

I gave away a lot of the bits off my D4 or sold them for bugger all. Last council clean up cleared away D4 calipers, rotors and pads that nobody wanted free. IMO you are better off selling the vehicle with all the bits, there will be a buyer who wants them all or most of them.

Agreed. Drowell’s 2010 D4 sold really quickly most likely he had so many good accessories on it. Otherwise a 2010 D4 is no different from any other 2010 D4 on the market.

[ATH]

"always better that someone else us them" !! Is that right? So someone who can afford a D4 in the first place comes along and makes a stupid offer for bits in excellent condition and you let him have them knowing he's probably thinking what a mug you are?
Crap.
For example: I put a fridge in real good condition up for 200 bucks and a smart arse came along and says "I'll give you 50". On yer bike mate. Then a young couple come up and are quite willing to pay the 200..... so I gave them a 100 back. They were really happy. And so was I.
I don't mind giving something to those that deserve it but not those that think you're desperate and will take anything. I've already spent the money so it doesn't really bother me if I don't get it back.
AlanH.

[DiscoMick]

You never get the value of accessories back. Vehicles are poor investments. If you want an investment put the money in your super fund and earn an average 9% annually for a decade.
Vehicles are transport and indulgences, not investments. They lose half their value in 3-4 years - that's a terrible investment.
Just use it, accessorize it to suit your needs and enjoy it, and then move on, I say.

[AlexRS4]

Yeah I don't quite understand the logic here. The original comment was around rather destroy a part than sell it for cheap on principle. That's just wasteful.

[ATH]

It may well be wasteful but I'd rather not give it away to someone who could easily afford a "reasonable" price for it. By reasonable I don't mean a bit under the new price but some thing you reach after a chat about it etc.
Maybe I should have said "I'd rather destroy it" than say I would definitely destroy it. Anyway, as the hat say DILLIGAFF". :)
AlanH.

[Lukeis]

"always better that someone else us them" !! Is that right? So someone who can afford a D4 in the first place comes along and makes a stupid offer for bits in excellent condition and you let him have them knowing he's probably thinking what a mug you are?
Crap.
For example: I put a fridge in real good condition up for 200 bucks and a smart arse came along and says "I'll give you 50". On yer bike mate. Then a young couple come up and are quite willing to pay the 200..... so I gave them a 100 back. They were really happy. And so was I.
I don't mind giving something to those that deserve it but not those that think you're desperate and will take anything. I've already spent the money so it doesn't really bother me if I don't get it back.
AlanH.

who is the bigger mug? the one who takes $50 for an item he thinks is worth $200 or the guy who is stubborn and gets nothing and probably has to drive to the tip to throw them away?

[BrianElloy]

This thread has gone to ****!

[ATH]

who is the bigger mug? the one who takes $50 for an item he thinks is worth $200 or the guy who is stubborn and gets nothing and probably has to drive to the tip to throw them away?

I got a 100 for the fridge, the young couple got a fridge for half the price they were willing to pay. They were happy and so was I. The idiot who thought I was desperate got nothing.
AlanH.