The New Defender

[blackrangie]

Richard Hammonds Take


https://youtu.be/vac6mJE8rqo

[blackrangie]

AU defender builder is up


Build your LAND ROVER DEFENDER (https://buildyour.landrover.com/lr2/r/model/_/en_au/l663_k20/)

[SPROVER]

I would be taking a wild guess here... but do you think Hammond might be on the land rover pay roll? [emoji2958]

[blackrangie]

Its all a conspiracy maan [emoji6]

[incisor]

AU defender builder is up


Build your LAND ROVER DEFENDER (https://buildyour.landrover.com/lr2/r/model/_/en_au/l663_k20/)


my build :p

a man can dream [bigwhistle]

154101

[blackrangie]

my build [emoji14]

a man can dream [bigwhistle]

154101Can you post the build url link, that not working on tapatalk.

Edit..just went web view and its a pdf brochure of your build.

[incisor]

Can you post the build url link, that pic not working for me

it's not a pic it a pdf

the build url they supplied at the end is

https://build.landrover/0450F4DD

[incisor]

for the record..

154102

[Homestar]

my build :p

a man can dream [bigwhistle]

154101

I don’t know mate - I’d be looking at one with the steering wheel on the other side... 😉

[Arapiles]

Build your LAND ROVER DEFENDER (https://buildyour.landrover.com/lr2/r/summary/_/en_au/l663_k20/4pbj6/a-d200-110_a-l663_sp0/a-satin_n-022bs_n-028hb_n-031bs_n-031st_n-032mb_n-047db_n-072bi_n-074qa_n-1ac_vplep0435_vples0545)


Just had a look at the tech specs and it quotes max towing of 3,500kg - but a "Maximum coupling point (nose weight) (kg)" of 150kg. That's not the 10% that Australians usually expect and there's lots of vans out there that would be 350kg and more on the towball.

It also seems to be the same across all three grades currently listed above.

[blackrangie]

it's not a pic it a pdf

the build url they supplied at the end is

Build your LAND ROVER DEFENDER (https://build.landrover/0450F4DD)Man u did that fast, I'm not even past the second page [emoji51][emoji1787]

[SBD4]

https://youtu.be/aHH5wnM8cvw

[DazzaTD5]

Awesome.

Lets just hope it has the reliability and build quality of a Lexus.

[ChookD2]

Watched the live reveal and I'm impressed, but it doesn't take much to impress me. Had a play around on the configurator (who came up with that word?) and like Inc I can but dream but mine are dreams of a pauper.

My #NewDefender build brochure (https://pdfgen.config.landrover.com/lr2/en_au/l663_k20/4pbj6/a-d240-110_a-l663_sp0/n-027dc_n-032mb_n-047db_n-047eb_n-057yb_n-060aw_n-080ac_n-1dk_vplep0379_vplep0387_vplep0388_vplep0435_vplep0 436_vples0566_vples0574/landrover.pdf'shortUrl=https://build.landrover/E5B5614B)

Maybe I'll win the lottery. [bigsmile] I think I might prefer the 90.

[101RRS]

Build your LAND ROVER DEFENDER (https://buildyour.landrover.com/lr2/r/summary/_/en_au/l663_k20/4pbj6/a-d200-110_a-l663_sp0/a-satin_n-022bs_n-028hb_n-031bs_n-031st_n-032mb_n-047db_n-072bi_n-074qa_n-1ac_vplep0435_vples0545)


Just had a look at the tech specs and it quotes max towing of 3,500kg - but a "Maximum coupling point (nose weight) (kg)" of 150kg. That's not the 10% that Australians usually expect and there's lots of vans out there that would be 350kg and more on the towball.

It also seems to be the same across all three grades currently listed above.

And that is essentially the same with the D3/D4/and RRS for the UK but Australian spec on those cars is 350kg - I would expect the Australian spec supplement to the Defender handbook will do the same as it did for the D3/D4 and RRS.

Garry

[Arapiles]

And that is essentially the same with the D3/D4/and RRS for the UK but Australian spec on those cars is 350kg - I would expect the Australian spec supplement to the Defender handbook will do the same as it did for the D3/D4 and RRS.

Garry

Yes, but that's from the Australian specs as listed on the Australian configurator.

Mind you, if that is the case then they'll most likely have to fix it pretty quickly.

[SBD4]

Best of the the LR vids I reckon:

https://youtu.be/pk5QL_kKN_g

[101RRS]

Yes, but that's from the Australian specs as listed on the Australian configurator.

But I bet the price you got was not in Aussie $$$$. I think once the Aussie specs are released - rather than what seems at the moment the UK specs on the Aussie LR site (if you ask to price a vehicle the Defender is not yet on the list on the Aussie LR site) all will be revealed.

Garry

[spudfan]

Maybe I'm a little odd but I would not buy a vehicle just because it is called "Defender". I have to like it in order to ask the Mrs to part with money we don't yet have. Our Defenders become part of the family. We still have the 200 tdi that we bought in 1996. There are too many memories tied up in it to part with it, besides it still runs beautifully.
I do not own a mobile phone so all of the electronic extras on the new model just leave me cold. Once I found out that it would have an automatic gearbox I lost any curiosity I had. Are manual gearboxes not supposed to give better fuel consumption?
The out going model had character. You could go out and hang a wet teeshirt over the front wing and let it hang down over the side light and get excited. You can't do that with the new one. Why do you think explorers in remote places liked the old model? Far from home, far from humanity of the female kind. All they needed was a cloth and some water and well, err... Mr McGovern just doesn't get this. Yes Gerry, it's the little things that count. It might be capable and modern but there's more to life. The old vehicle had class whereas this one has generic written all over it.
Like I said, not for me but then again maybe I'm a little odd. Now where is that white tee shirt and bottle of water. There's a 110 Defender outside just oozing temptation....

[LRD414]

I had a go at the Australian configurator this morning. Couple of thoughts ....

18" wheels only available with 4cyl engines.
The 6cyl engine must have bigger brakes.

Tow receiver is an option not seen in UK configurator so I reckon a 350kg ball weight will be forthcoming.
This is the same as my D4; handbook states 150kg but an extra Aus section covers the increase to 350kg

Winch not shown as an option but a winch accessory pack is there.
I think this means it will be something that comes later.

Hard to know if the Terrain Response 2 package is worth it compared to standard Terrain Response.
Rear ediff is a selectable option, so I guess that combined with standard TR will be the go.

The "bullbar" seems to be offered for Aus only and looks pathetic.
Not a show-stopper for me.

Some of the other accessories look cool but I suspect will be very expensive especially if UK prices are anything to go by.

Overall I'm confident that one will replace my D4 in a few years.

Cheers,
Scott

[blackrangie]

Love the look of this.

Lots of questions for JLRA after playing around with the online builder last night.

Have sent them to dealer and awaiting response.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/0f7c48e551d01c2d0115fd28b8c235d4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/c308d95728381bd9fc3c5054940ac23a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/39c5439edc6cd4fae6e8936fa032602e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190910/90a9312131850cf3fd6a9cbf2374a55f.jpg

[blackrangie]

I had a go at the Australian configurator this morning. Couple of thoughts ....

18" wheels only available with 4cyl engines.
The 6cyl engine must have bigger brakes.

Tow receiver is an option not seen in UK configurator so I reckon a 350kg ball weight will be forthcoming.
This is the same as my D4; handbook states 150kg but an extra Aus section covers the increase to 350kg

Winch not shown as an option but a winch accessory pack is there.
I think this means it will be something that comes later.

Hard to know if the Terrain Response 2 package is worth it compared to standard Terrain Response.
Rear ediff is a selectable option, so I guess that combined with standard TR will be the go.

The "bullbar" seems to be offered for Aus only and looks pathetic.
Not a show-stopper for me.

Some of the other accessories look cool but I suspect will be very expensive especially if UK prices are anything to go by.

Overall I'm confident that one will replace my D4 in a few years.

Cheers,
ScottCheers, good info

I didn't notice a bullbar last night?

Was it the Tube bar or the A frame plastic type?

[bln]

Should I trade-in my Puma 110 or D4 or both?[bighmmm]

[LRD414]

I didn't notice a bullbar last night?

Was it the Tube bar or the A frame plastic type?
Tubular but very spindly without a solid steel element at bumper level.

[blackrangie]

Tubular but very spindly without a solid steel element at bumper level.Cheers, Can you post your build link or pm, or put a photo up?

[blackrangie]

YouTube (https://youtu.be/cs24wSsNdJ0)

[blackrangie]

From another forum

Data comparison:

LR4 (Off-road mode)
Approach: 32.2
Breakover: 22.8
Departure: 26.7
Ground Clearance: 9.4
Wading Depth: 27.56
Curb weight: 5,655 lbs

Source: Land Rover LR4 - Vehicle Specifications | Land Rover USA (https://www.landroverusa.com/vehicles/lr4-7-passenger-suv/vehicle-specs.html)

New Defender (Off-road mode)
Approach: 38
Breakover (90): 31
Breakover (110): 28
Departure: 40
Ground Clearance: 11.5
Wading Depth: 35.4
Curb weight (90): 4,830
Curb weight (110): 4,815 - 5,165 lbs

Source: Land Rover Luxury & Compact SUVs - Official Site | Land Rover USA (http://www.landroverusa.com)

[blackrangie]

This is cool!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/4342508ec5718a84955f326fa4295fed.jpg

So configurable terrain response is the go.

[LRD414]

Interesting. I have been wondering what you get with the TR2 and whether it's worth it compared to standard TR combined with a rear ediff.
In the end it'll depend on cost because I believe standard TR with an ediff will be pretty much unstoppable.

Scott

This is cool!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/4342508ec5718a84955f326fa4295fed.jpg

So configurable terrain response is the go.

[irondoc]

Some things on my mind:

-what's the "portable rinse system"
-"integrated air compressor" sounds OK
-does it come with a centre diff lock, or is it through the brakes? Would be nice for centre and rear like D4

Cheers
Lucas

[LRD414]

-what's the "portable rinse system"
-"integrated air compressor" sounds OK
-does it come with a centre diff lock, or is it through the brakes? Would be nice for centre and rear like D4
Yes centre diff with optional rear ediff, so same as D4.

https://www.landrover.com.au/sdlmedia/636998351154760220XY.jpg?v=1#desktop__680x450

https://www.landrover.com.au/sdlmedia/636993860108766063MP.jpg?v=1#desktop__680x450

https://www.landrover.com.au/sdlmedia/636993860095386866EH.jpg?v=1#desktop__680x450

[ozscott]

Make sure you get your integrated dog ramp [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

[scarry]

Make sure you get your integrated dog ramp [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

That’s no dog ramp,it’s for wheeling a load of topsoil into the back with the wheelbarrow[smilebigeye]

Not needed for our dog,she can jump over the D4 tailgate.[bighmmm]

[simonmelb]

I hope the Ingenium diesel engine in the new Defender is better than the pommy one in the Disco Sport: INGENIUM 2.0 DIESEL OIL ANALYSIS RESULTS - Discovery Sport Forums (https://www.discosportforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6132)

[shamirj]

1. Funny with all the options available for the new defender there is no manual version just auto
2. the models with the front centre seat, head rest way too high needs to be able to fold down or be inline with driver and pass seat head rests
3. love the look of the front and sides, hate the rear light arrangements
4. steel wheel, diff wheel size and coil suspension options are great options, choices
5. 85 ecu's would be a nightmare in any vehicle
6. interesting move from paint to wrap on the vehicles
7. nice they kept the 90 and 110 versions even though they are larger
8. pity about the prices, there really is no more budget new LR for sale anymore, anywhere
9. headlights are huge improvement and look good as is the styling
10. has a full size spare mounted on back door, huge plus

[TB]

1. Funny with all the options available for the new defender there is no manual version just auto
2. the models with the front centre seat, head rest way too high needs to be able to fold down or be inline with driver and pass seat head rests
3. love the look of the front and sides, hate the rear light arrangements
4. steel wheel, diff wheel size and coil suspension options are great options, choices
5. 85 ecu's would be a nightmare in any vehicle
6. interesting move from paint to wrap on the vehicles
7. nice they kept the 90 and 110 versions even though they are larger
8. pity about the prices, there really is no more budget new LR for sale anymore, anywhere
9. headlights are huge improvement and look good as is the styling
10. has a full size spare mounted on back door, huge plus

1. There's no way that vehicle could work with a manual. The 8-speed auto and all its computers are key to much of the traction capability and its fuel economy.
2. Why? If you're worried about the mirror, the jump seat requires you to also take the fancy mirror upgrade which doubles as a screen for the rear vision camera in the shark fin.
3. Beer holder*
4. Yep!
5. Nah, not a worry in itself. As long as there's good programming centrally to coordinate them, and good wiring to keep them all communicating, they'll be fine.
6. It's a clear wrap on top of the metallic paint.
7. Yep!
8. Yep :(
9. Beer holder*
10. Definitely the best choice for an off-road oriented vehicle.


* as in, beauty is in the eye of it

[manic]

It looks OK apart from rear lights and front face. I like the interior. Hopefully an after market grill and a bullbar can fix the front up.

If they make a PHEV variant with around 50km pure EV range I would consider buying one. The misses could use the EV range to commute to work during the week, and I would use it for occasional tow duties and weekend get aways.

I don't see it as a defender replacement though. I'd have the Pretender 110 replace the Disco.

[Barraman]

Whats the funny looking box thingie over the left hand rear window?

[blackrangie]

Whats the funny looking box thingie over the left hand rear window?External storage for recovery gear,boots or whatever people usually put in side compartments of fenders, frequent access stuff.

[blackrangie]

Here's my questions to my dealer and the response after checking with higher ups.

Q.Some of the options for example the bash plate and winch accessory kit (but no winch) mentioned available mid-2020.. does this mean that if we included those options the order would be delayed until then? or will those options be sent to the dealer when they are available and fitted

A.These are dealer fit and I understand from our accessory colleagues there are no delays on these parts.

Q. I noticed for these six cylinder petrol the smallest rim size you can option is 19 inch. Can you order 18 inch rims for the straight six petrol or can they be fitted after like the disco 5, if this would not be possible which models will it be not be possible on?

A. Correct, SE 240PS 177kw Diesel is the highest output engine the steel rims can be optioned on. The i6 Petrols start on 19” Alloy rims

Q.I noticed there is no tyre option yet on the release there are mud terrains shown, and I believe there was supposed to be an option of either mud terrain or all terrain tyres? Is it possible to order with mud terrain tyres I like the one in Germany.

A.Defender 110 comes with ‘Off Road’ Tyres as standard*With tyre/rim choices Australia have ‘off road’ tyres as standard for 18”, 19” and 20“.
22” *do not come with ‘off road’ tyres.
*
Off Road Tyres (030IF)
Example
Goodyear All Terrain Adventure
Tread Depth 9.5mm
Speed Rating H (Vmax 210kph)
Size 18”, 19” and 20”
*
All Season tyres (Optional) (030IA)
Example
Michelin Latitude Tour HP
Tread Depth 7.5mm
Speed Rating V (Vmax 240kph)
Size 18”, 19”, 20” & 22”
*
Aftermarket fit
Off Road
Goodyear Duratrac
Tread Depth 12.5mm
Speed rating Q (Vmax 160kph)
Size 18” & 20”
*
Just for your information the tyre choice will affect the roof load capability under dynamic conditions. The more grip (All Season) the lower max dynamic roof load. The less road grip
(Off Road) the higher max dynamic roof load.
*
110 – All Season Tyres – Static roof load 300kg, max dynamic roof load 100kg.
110 – Off Road Tyres – Static roof load 300kg, max dynamic roof load 168kg.

Q. Also I noticed the side ladder which is showing and all the advertising and in Germany was not available in the options list or options packs. Is this available to order?

A. Will be available as a dealer fit.

Q.I noticed winches and tube bumpers have been showing on Pilots and winches are showing on lots of the advertising yet it doesn't seem to be available to order? Can we order this?

A.Winch and the Australian bull bar are available to order locally dealer fit, however bull bar stock will be on hand from Jan 2020. All will be available by the time the cars arrive

Q.I noticed they released a fabric fold back roof however this did not show up in the options. Can we order this?

A. No, *NA at this point

Q.Are SVO paint options available for the new Defender

A.No not at this stage

Q.What additional options for the new defender will be released next year and when?

A.All accessories are currently on the website, unfortunately I have no other information at this stage.

I have a few more questions but this covers most for me, hope this helps.

Particularly interesting is the tires and roof load rating.

Also for those that want to go to the petrol 6, it will be interesting to see if aftermarket 18 inch wheels fit.
If not what good 19 inch tyre options are available.

I do really like the look of the 110 at reveal on 20s, and with 2 inches bigger tyres that could work too.

First preference would be aftermarket 18s.

Second would be best aggressive tyre on 19s.

Third option would be biggest tyre I could fit on 20s.
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[Arapiles]

6. It's a clear wrap on top of the metallic paint.

So, the "Satin" option is actually a factory wrap to protect the paint. Fascinating.

[ozscott]

Once you see a smug Anteater...You can't unsee it [emoji1787][emoji16]

Cheers https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/ee302cdc210781bcd6e040ee89bbc877.jpg

[RHS58]

All the doggy accessories, yet they don’t offer the optional LR Dog?

[101RRS]

That box and the ladder is a really stupid idea - more look than function for any vehicle being used in a forest or heavy bush - with my RRS the external rear vision mirror glass is glued in as they have been knocked out so many times hitting trees etc.

With these options on the Defender I can see I lot of damage being done to the ladder and box and the car itself. Looks good when dropping off the kids at school though [thumbsupbig].

Garry

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Once you see a smug Anteater...You can't unsee it [emoji1787][emoji16]

Cheers https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/ee302cdc210781bcd6e040ee89bbc877.jpg



or a Botox injection on its grill?

[ozscott]

The list of options is insane but doesn't surprise me. I assumed that LR was going to go for broke with this vehicle. In a way that can cater for the techie brigade. They have certainly done that. Hopefully they will.do.a version with 18's, bigger diesel, and air suspension with terrain control and easy care interior but with no other bling. That should satisfy a few people if you can get past it's super soft look.

Cheers

[blackrangie]

So, the "Satin" option is actually a factory wrap to protect the paint. Fascinating.So im guessing its not a clear wrap or it would look metalic..is it a satin wrap over normal paint?

[timax]

That box and the ladder is a really stupid idea - more look than function for any vehicle being used in a forest or heavy bush - with my RRS the external rear vision mirror glass is glued in as they have been knocked out so many times hitting trees etc.

With these options on the Defender I can see I lot of damage being done to the ladder and box and the car itself. Looks good when dropping off the kids at school though [thumbsupbig].

Garry
Id use the box. we do alot of beach driving so it would be great for the wetsuit,sandy towels and all those other things i usually put in a spare tyre bag. No issues with side mounted for me at all except wind noise. Your mirror or snorkel will hit way before the ladder. I dont think i have hit those on any of my snowy mountain trips either. Did wipe off a kayak on a low branch once but we won't go there..[bigsad] If the box is an easy on /off then id also keep my fishing gear in one and just mount it for that trip etc

[blackrangie]

That box and the ladder is a really stupid idea - more look than function for any vehicle being used in a forest or heavy bush - with my RRS the external rear vision mirror glass is glued in as they have been knocked out so many times hitting trees etc.

With these options on the Defender I can see I lot of damage being done to the ladder and box and the car itself. Looks good when dropping off the kids at school though [thumbsupbig].

GarryMany 4x4s have side mounted ladders with no dramas, infact my old mans 60series had one(alloy extended right down to chassis), was used all the time, never got hit enough to bend, LRs design is smart, folds up and in, your flares and mirrors would hit first imo.

Current defender many people run spare fuel, sand tracks, etc etc in the storage spot and you don't hear about them being knocked off all the time.

Imo Defenders lend themselves 2 storing stuff up there due to the unique hipline the bulges out.

I reckon the ladder is fantastic, very innovative on Land Rovers part.. I would use it all the time.

The storage box will take a while to get used to but for me it would have my boots snatch strap, shackles gloves and air compressor hose etc, I'm guessing it's made out of flexible ABS like the old defender flares, so would probably be able to take a bit of a hit, and pop back out like a suitcase.. just guessing.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/ce7287eda770b02e9e9842a93f14471b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/5dab8dfe5a9fea71b1312203ffd74ce6.jpg

[Arapiles]

That box and the ladder is a really stupid idea - more look than function for any vehicle being used in a forest or heavy bush - with my RRS the external rear vision mirror glass is glued in as they have been knocked out so many times hitting trees etc.

With these options on the Defender I can see I lot of damage being done to the ladder and box and the car itself. Looks good when dropping off the kids at school though [thumbsupbig].

Garry

I'm not convinced that the box is even legal in Australia - the law permits roof-carried loads to be wider than the roof line but that's for temporary loads, not a permanent fixture on the side of the vehicle. With the exception of the Perenties (and which technically probably isn't legal in any case) I can't think of any other vehicle on the Australian market that tries to load stuff on the side of the vehicle.

[Arapiles]

So im guessing its not a clear wrap or it would look metalic..is it a satin wrap over normal paint?

It's not an option for the Fuji white flat paint, only the metallics.

[blackrangie]

The list of options is insane but doesn't surprise me. I assumed that LR was going to go for broke with this vehicle. In a way that can cater for the techie brigade. They have certainly done that. Hopefully they will.do.a version with 18's, bigger diesel, and air suspension with terrain control and easy care interior but with no other bling. That should satisfy a few people if you can get past it's super soft look.

CheersThis is an interesting one if you line up the photos of the competition in Australia I would say the new defender looks the toughest by far and the others in comparison look soft.
The new defender is going to stand out bigtime imo.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/3d2e015a9b0c0ff897a48e7035ef4207.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/8cff812848ecb733fb20f60839f21627.jpg
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[blackrangie]

I'm not convinced that the box is even legal in Australia - the law permits roof-carried loads to be wider than the roof line but that's for temporary loads, not a permanent fixture on the side of the vehicle. With the exception of the Perenties (and which technically probably isn't legal in any case) I can't think of any other vehicle on the Australian market that tries to load stuff on the side of the vehicle.Think you answered your own question there, there is no permanent load it's a fixture just like a snorkel, awning, ladder, flare, wind deflector.

[blackrangie]

It's not an option for the Fuji white flat paint, only the metallics.So the wrap itself is not clear it would be satin, so basically they're offering to factory wrap the car which would be covered under factory warranty [emoji1419]

[blackrangie]

or a Botox injection on its grill?Haha [emoji1419] notice the lower section of that bumper has a cut out section that when you pop out reveals a winch fairlead.. winch is behind.

[scarry]

So the wrap itself is not clear it would be satin, so basically they're offering to factory wrap the car which would be covered under factory warranty [emoji1419]

So what is the factory warranty in Aus?

Oh,and some will be missing the cup holders,can't see many?

[blackrangie]

So what is the factory warranty in Aus?

Oh,and some will be missing the cup holders,can't see many?In our new jlr vehicle, there are cup holders under the tray in the centre (in front of the wireless charger) we put the tray in the glove box and it's never come back out.

The cup holders on the 3 front seats are in the back of the middle seat.

The walkthrough front option is also very interesting and tempting, I believe in the photos it still shows cup holders and a small tray on walkthrough option.

Good question on warranty we got 5,5,5 on our last purchase so I'll be pushing for that again. But preparing myself for 3 + 2

I haven't even asked for any quotes yet, have to get all my questions answered first.

[blackrangie]

The Lego was also launched yesterday: LEGO Technic - LEGO Technic Land Rover Defender Reveal | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=515831112323283)

with AWD, a proper hi-low transfer case, IFS, working winch!!!

[SBD4]

So the wrap itself is not clear it would be satin, so basically they're offering to factory wrap the car which would be covered under factory warranty [emoji1419]
They did say that if the wrap was damaged, it could be replaced by the dealer but I think you'd be hard pressed to have them do it under warranty. They will no doubt consider it a wear and tear item unless they expressly guarantee that it can't be damaged.

[Arapiles]

Think you answered your own question there, there is no permanent load it's a fixture just like a snorkel, awning, ladder, flare, wind deflector.

That's a lot more prominent than a snorkel or wind deflector.

[blackrangie]

They did say that if the wrap was damaged, it could be replaced by the dealer but I think you'd be hard pressed to have them do it under warranty. They will no doubt consider it a wear and tear item unless they expressly guarantee that it can't be damaged.Agreed however if there is a defect like it coming off or fading etc, it would both be covered by warranty and Australian consumer guarantee.

[blackrangie]

That's a lot more prominent than a snorkel or wind deflector.Agreed

[Homestar]

This is an interesting one if you line up the photos of the competition in Australia I would say the new defender looks the toughest by far and the others in comparison look soft.
The new defender is going to stand out bigtime imo.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/3d2e015a9b0c0ff897a48e7035ef4207.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/8cff812848ecb733fb20f60839f21627.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/34a30b6b152c33fb2b33e6b49645be2a.jpg

When you put them all side by side, it’s a no brainer although that grill is still doing my head in. I do have an uncontrollable urge to take out a large loan for some reason though...

[SBD4]

Agreed however if there is a defect like it coming off or fading etc, it would both be covered by warranty and Australian consumer guarantee.
From a defect perspective, yes 100% agree.

[Homestar]

God damn it! I think I’m in love! Can’t seem to get a drive away price on my IPad for the build I did but it’s not like I can afford it either (I don’t think - have never really borrowed money for a car like this but you only live once right?)

Will play the waiting game but I think I could just about live in my Caravan if it meant I could own one... 😆

[AK83]

I'm not convinced that the box is even legal in Australia - the law permits roof-carried loads to be wider than the roof line but that's for temporary loads, not a permanent fixture on the side of the vehicle. With the exception of the Perenties (and which technically probably isn't legal in any case) I can't think of any other vehicle on the Australian market that tries to load stuff on the side of the vehicle.

If it's not legal then JLR won't offer it as an option in Aus.
If they do, then you know it's legal.

Can't get any simpler than that.

ps. you've never watched videos of 4WDers, or so called adventurers, to see the way they've kitted out their vehicles.
90% of them seem to have mounted stuff on the sides of their vehicles .. usually Maxtrax or fold down tables or whatever.

As for the idea that there is a law that prevents loads from being carried on the sides of vehicles .. that puts all the glass fitters in the country out of business.
Never seen one that didn't carry the sheets of glass on the side of their vehicles ... or more accurately over the sides of their vehicle .. that is covering the rear wheels.
I know there are specific provisions for those classes of vehicle bodies, and the allowances for them to be loaded.

So overall .. I don't think the ADR regs will hinder the availability of that option.
Although .. that doesn't mean I'm a fan of the idea.
Why they couldn't have designed a better rear door mounted setup is beyond me!

Looks to me to be a case of pandering to the pretenders .. the typical urban off roader .. you'know ... the big wheels, bullbars, lights, winch .. every conceivable option/accessory, never used .. not even understood!
For these types, that load box will look the goods .. so must have!
A better designed version would have had the spare less centrally mounted, closer to the door hinges for less wear on them, and a small pack somehow arranged beside it, under it, above it .. or whatever.

[blackrangie]

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[16PMark]

YouTube (https://youtu.be/etCi3sB7IGQ)

[Arapiles]

If it's not legal then JLR won't offer it as an option in Aus.
If they do, then you know it's legal. Can't get any simpler than that.


Unfortunately JRA simply may not have turned their mind to it, or relevantly, the minds of their internal or external legal counsel, so them offering it at present isn't proof that it's legal. I've seen plenty of examples of companies doing things that turned out to not be legal.

I agree though that it looks like it's intended to appeal to the "overlanders" that I see on OS websites.



As for the idea that there is a law that prevents loads from being carried on the sides of vehicles .. that puts all the glass fitters in the country out of business.
Never seen one that didn't carry the sheets of glass on the side of their vehicles ... or more accurately over the sides of their vehicle .. that is covering the rear wheels.
I know there are specific provisions for those classes of vehicle bodies, and the allowances for them to be loaded.

Yes, I think I saw discussion one time that there's a formal or informal exemption for glaziers. And they're not really on the side of a vehicle, just extending outside what's normally permitted on a tray.

[Standard]

Think you answered your own question there, there is no permanent load it's a fixture just like a snorkel, awning, ladder, flare, wind deflector.Land Rover feel it's pretty permanent by the sound of it.
"PLEASE NOTE: Once fitted, the exterior side-mounted gear carrier and bracket are not intended to be removed from the vehicle."

[Disco-tastic]

Just read the 110 will start at $70k plus on roads. Goes all the way up to $140k

Apologies if thats been mentioned already!

[spudfan]

This is from Land Rover. Read what it says about the TD5 and remote working. No doubt the same goes for the new model....

[4bee]

Just reading that blurb....

Maybe they should have placed the "Get you Home" stuff in the front roof lining for instance using a separate module if it so susceptible to water, then it may have been a true GYH asset?

It can't be that difficult to electronically separate the box of trix components.


Just sayin'.

[loanrangie]

Do we know if there is adblue on the diesels or is that given ?

[blackrangie]

Land Rover feel it's pretty permanent by the sound of it.
"PLEASE NOTE: Once fitted, the exterior side-mounted gear carrier and bracket are not intended to be removed from the vehicle."It's a permanent accessory not load, just like a snorkel or fitting some Fender flares, non-issue in my opinion.

[blackrangie]

Just read the 110 will start at $70k plus on roads. Goes all the way up to $140k

Apologies if thats been mentioned already!According to Carsales the 90 will start at 60k approx.

So a bit less than we all estimated

[blackrangie]

Do we know if there is adblue on the diesels or is that given ?I would say that would be a given.

From what I have seen the Land Rover diesels don't seem to have the issues that Toyota are having, so seems to be a good combo.

[Gregz]

Land Rover feel it's pretty permanent by the sound of it.
"PLEASE NOTE: Once fitted, the exterior side-mounted gear carrier and bracket are not intended to be removed from the vehicle."
...... except by qualified thieves/hooligans

[blackrangie]

Impressive, from another forum.

Some more detailed technical information from this Oz article: 404 - Page Not Found | WhichCar (https://www.whichcar.com.au/ne...over-defender-50-facts-figures)

A few salient ones:

14 - Defender's electrics gets IP67 electrical rating
The electronics and connections in the new Defender have been designed to meet the IP67 water immersion standards. That means they can be submerged in one metre of fresh water for an hour without intrusion or damage.

31 - Bullbar
Land Rover has developed a ’roo bar specifically for Australia. To be made of steel, the bar will be offered as an accessory, keeping intact all sensors and safety systems. The ’roo bar will be revealed closer to the car’s June 2020 on-sale date.

34 - Crawl time
The Defender has an impressively low crawl ratio of 51.5:1 for diesel versions and 57.2:1 for the six-cylinder petrol.

45 - Stopping power
There is no mechanical link between the brake pedal and the brake discs. Instead the Defender gets a brake-by-wire system claimed to provide more “precise, linear brake pressures”. Engineers also say the electronic braking system helps with off-road traction due to the ability to better regulate braking to each individual wheel.

[djambalawa]

It's a permanent accessory not load, just like a snorkel or fitting some Fender flares, non-issue in my opinion.


Not sure if it looks that great but it looks ok.. sticking out not an issue as it fits inside mirror width anyways.. i guess in tight turns you might have to keep an eye on it if there was a tree there... but yeah useful i guess for those sandy speedos and thongs...

[simonmelb]

This is a worry - so what happens when there's a total electrical shutdown which has happened (ver rarely) with D3/4's? No brakes? !


Impressive, from another forum.

45 - Stopping power
There is no mechanical link between the brake pedal and the brake discs. Instead the Defender gets a brake-by-wire system claimed to provide more “precise, linear brake pressures”. Engineers also say the electronic braking system helps with off-road traction due to the ability to better regulate braking to each individual wheel.

[cjc_td5]

This is a worry - so what happens when there's a total electrical shutdown which has happened (ver rarely) with D3/4's? No brakes? !It would probably be the opposite? Electrical energisation unlocks the brakes, so electrical failure would lock them on?

[SpudHeadTed]

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[scarry]

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That’s got the roo bar they made just for Aus.[bigrolf]

[cripesamighty]

34 - Crawl time
The Defender has an impressively low crawl ratio of 51.5:1 for diesel versions and 57.2:1 for the six-cylinder petrol.

So it's not as good as a Puma Defender (62.9:1) but much better than any Toyota, Nissan or Mitsubishi product.
OK, given it's other electrickery components, I can live with that.

[rar110]

This is from Land Rover. Read what it says about the TD5 and remote working. No doubt the same goes for the new model....

With my L322 I can check and clear faults with an IID tool and smart phone. I assume this will be available for the new Defender.

Hopefully the electrical engineers who designed the new Defender built in redundancy and resilience. The electrics on my 12 year old L322 have been very good other than a failed alternator.

Even the current 70 series Toyota won’t run without an alternator.

[Meccles]

I like the straight 6 turbo petrol [emoji3]

[blackrangie]

With my L322 I can check and clear faults with an IID tool and smart phone. I assume this will be available for the new Defender.

Hopefully the electrical engineers who designed the new Defender built in redundancy and resilience. The electrics on my 12 year old L322 have been very good other than a failed alternator.

Even the current 70 series Toyota won’t run without an alternator.Straight 6 mhev has generator i think which is interesting

[101RRS]

So it's not as good as a Puma Defender (62.9:1) but much better than any Toyota, Nissan or Mitsubishi product.


But remember the Puma was a manual, the new Defender being an auto means that there is a further multiplying effect as a result of the torque converter.

[scarry]

So looks like the 18's OEM size is 275/65/18.

Not a bad size,quite a few brands have this size available in their range.

Probably more common in the US than here,though.

[DiscoMick]

BFG AT for example.
275/65 R18 Tyres | Tyresales (https://www.tyresales.com.au/tyre/size/275-65r18)

[spudfan]

Found this....

[robbo247]

I wonder if it can it be hacked by internet nerds with wifi downloads and shut down-ransom, that it would require a factory reboot.
that would be weird with all these computers it has. just a thought as computer systems are always under attack.

robbo

[spudfan]

Here is another page from the 2002 edition of Land Rover's Working in the Wild. Note the sentence "KEEP IT SIMPLE". How things have changed.

[Meccles]

You’ve only got to compare a modern smartphone with phone from 2002 to see that. And how reliable the modern units are. Or for real change - look at weather. And how quickly it seems change is upon us.

[spudfan]

You’ve only got to compare a modern smartphone with phone from 2002 to see that. And how reliable the modern units are. Or for real change - look at weather. And how quickly it seems change is upon us.
Good point but I don't have a phone.....except the phone on the kitchen wall. I do know that people "upgrade/change" their phone every few years. Don't understand why but it seems to be the norm. Seems cars are marketed to the same customer base. Buy it then in a few years "upgrade".
My point in posting the above was a little tongue in cheek. The same company that was espousing simplicity is now flaunting how complicated the new model is. I know things change but it is ironic when the past comes back to haunt you.
As you can no doubt guess the new Defender holds no interest for me but for anyone that likes it I hope it brings them many years of motoring pleasure. My Puma will see me O.K. until I have to give up driving. That is adventure enough for me. My 200 tdi is 27 years old and drives wonderfully so I will be in good company for the length of road I have left. The series 111, is well a series 111 and still trundling. If the new Defender gives it's purchasers as much service and enjoyment as my older Land Rovers have given me, well they cannot ask for more than that. I wish them well.

[Scouter]

Here is another page from the 2002 edition of Land Rover's Working in the Wild. Note the sentence "KEEP IT SIMPLE". How things have changed.

This bias against electronics is about 15 years out of date. Single board embedded computers very rarely fail and can be swapped out easily. Sensors can be cleaned, repaired or replaced. Connectors can be cleaned and resoldered. Mechanical dohickies that could break have been replaced by ECUs that hardly do. Diagnosis of mechanical faults that once took a Ouija board now only needs a scan tool. Anyone doing “proper” off-roading always takes a selection of spares. What’s wrong with adding an ECU and some sensors to the pack list?

[rar110]

BFG AT for example.
275/65 R18 Tyres | Tyresales (https://www.tyresales.com.au/tyre/size/275-65r18)

All brands in USA are offering good load rating for that size tyre. [emoji106]

[spudfan]

BFG AT for example.
275/65 R18 Tyres | Tyresales (https://www.tyresales.com.au/tyre/size/275-65r18)
I have a set of Goodride SL 369 tyres on a series 111 88 and am very happy with them. I cannot say how they would perform on something larger/heavier/faster than an 88 but I can only state my own positive experience with them.

GOODRIDE SL369 SUV OFF-ROAD 275/65R18 123Q (10 ply) Tyres | Tyresales (https://www.tyresales.com.au/buy/tyre/goodride/sl369_suv_off-road/275-65r18/119854?q=4)

[scarry]

All brands in USA are offering good load rating for that size tyre. [emoji106]

And a handy 179mm of sidewall.

I am starting to like this new beast even more.

I wonder if the 285/65/18 will fit,i suppose we will have to wait and see.[biggrin]

[blackrangie]

Ok so the question remains can you fit 18s on the straight 6, in the same way you can fit 18s to the D5, if so that would give you the ability for both 32s and increase if wanted, I believe there are many options for bigger 18s.

If you were to stay with the 19s, what good off-road tyre options are there? and ability to increase?

The photo shown at launch shows 20 inch with the Goodyear Dura tracks, imo they look fantastic, but is there any other option for a tyre size increase if you went the 20 inch option, not that it looks like it needs it, or would you be happy with the 32 inch duratracs?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190913/549783b1ac415232291836de836562e4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190913/97c327b8448938e68b38d61e641d135f.jpg

[SBD4]

Ok so the question remains can you fit 18s on the straight 6, in the same way you can fit 18s to the D5, if so that would give you the ability for both 32s and increase if wanted, I believe there are many options for bigger 18s.

If you were to stay with the 19s, what good off-road tyre options are there? and ability to increase?

The photo shown at launch shows 20 inch with the Goodyear Dura tracks, imo they look fantastic, but is there any other option for a tyre size increase if you went the 20 inch option, not that it looks like it needs it, or would you be happy with the 32 inch duratracs?

I reckon you'd forget about the 19's as the selection is more limited. I think the largest tyre on a 19" rim is 31".... Tiresize.com did not find any at 32", 33" or 34".

With 20's you have a far broader choice and there are larger sizes to get back some sidewall. With 34" (assuming it fits) you'd have 7" of sidewall. You could have something like KO2's at 32,33 or 34 inches.

[LRD414]

Fitting an Australian-legal 18" wheel to the D5 has been tricky. It has depended on model year because LR has changed the brake package multiple times in the 2 years it's been around. And funnily enough the rear brakes have been hit and miss, in contrast to the D4 where only the front brakes had large calliper issues.

Refer here > FITMENT | TuffAnt | A True Off-Road Alternative (https://www.tuffant.com/fitment)

Hopefully things will settle down with the Defender brakes for 6cyl engines and the 18" options (Compomotive & Tuffant) will fit but that remains to be seen going by the D5 experience. And how much increase to overall diameter that fits without rubbing also remains to be seen. You would certainly hope 33" is straightforward and that would be plenty in my opinion.

It's true that there's some good 20" tyre options but I'd still prefer the sidewall afforded by 18".
I don't believe there's any suitable 19" tyre, except in the D4 size of 255/55/R19 which is too small for the new Defender.
The Goodyear Duratrac looks ok but is not an LT spec, which is all I would consider running if going remote.

Cheers,
Scott

[LRD414]

This YouTube video has some good interior and engine bay footage.


https://youtu.be/28mN_IG5RCc

[blackrangie]

This YouTube video has some good interior and engine bay footage.


https://youtu.be/28mN_IG5RCcGreat video the rear of the 110 looks to have a lot of space and very utilitarian.

[blackrangie]

I reckon you'd forget about the 19's as the selection is more limited. I think the largest tyre on a 19" rim is 31".... Tiresize.com did not find any at 32", 33" or 34".

With 20's you have a far broader choice and there are larger sizes to get back some sidewall. With 34" (assuming it fits) you'd have 7" of sidewall. You could have something like KO2's at 32,33 or 34 inches.The km3 mud terrain is looking good available in lots of sizes both in 18 and 20.

[scarry]

Great video the rear of the 110 looks to have a lot of space and very utilitarian.

Going by specs,load areas are smaller than D4.

No deal breaker though,or wait for the 130.

[TB]

This YouTube video has some good interior and engine bay footage

Engine bay is interesting. I read elsewhere that the battery is now under the (RH) drivers seat, and that all the electrical systems are rated to IP68 meaning they can handle quite a soaking without any trouble. And with the air compressor option at the rear door, there's not a lot of need for under-bonnet mods.

Also I loved the way the seats fold down flat.

[DiscoMick]

A couple of introductory vids, firstly American and then British.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqsSd_6YX1k)

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybxY-hZAGh4)

[blackrangie]

Going by specs,load areas are smaller than D4.

No deal breaker though,or wait for the 130.Cheers, Still way more than I have in my long-wheelbase Range Rover classic currently.

[blackrangie]

Engine bay is interesting. I read elsewhere that the battery is now under the (RH) drivers seat, and that all the electrical systems are rated to IP68 meaning they can handle quite a soaking without any trouble. And with the air compressor option at the rear door, there's not a lot of need for under-bonnet mods.

Also I loved the way the seats fold down flat.Are you sure it's ip68 I seem to remember ip67 either way that's fantastic but want to make sure.

[gromit]

Plenty of time to save up for your new Defender.
Local dealer doesn't think it will be here till first quarter next year.

Colin

[SBD4]

Are you sure it's ip68 I seem to remember ip67 either way that's fantastic but want to make sure.
Yep...IP67. Up to half an hour in up to 1M of water.

IP67 vs IP68: Waterproof IP ratings explained (https://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/what-is-ip68-ip-ratings-explained-2947135)

[TB]

A couple of introductory vids, firstly American and then British.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqsSd_6YX1k)


At 4:35 in that video the guy lifts the rear floor in the 110 to show some additional empty space that would be very useful. I suspect it's where the battery pack will go in the PHEV model, but for the rest it's the obvious place to look at storing spares, recovery gear, tools, or alternatively a 2nd battery etc.

[rar110]

And a handy 179mm of sidewall.

I am starting to like this new beast even more.

I wonder if the 285/65/18 will fit,i suppose we will have to wait and see.[biggrin]

285/60/18, which is a really common size tyre, would certainly fit unless the rim was at its limit with a 275 tyre.

[DiscoMick]

At 4:35 in that video the guy lifts the rear floor in the 110 to show some additional empty space that would be very useful. I suspect it's where the battery pack will go in the PHEV model, but for the rest it's the obvious place to look at storing spares, recovery gear, tools, or alternatively a 2nd battery etc.I wonder if there is space under the front passenger seat for a second battery?

[4bee]

...... except by qualified thieves/hooligans


Yep, having trouble getting it off? Local Pinball Parlour. (Is there such a thing these days?). "Hey Son. you & your mates want to earn a fiver?

5 minutes later "job done Mister. BTW how are you off for a set of Alloy wheels? You just supply the bricks ok?"

[biggrin][biggrin] [biggrin] [biggrin] [biggrin]

[TB]

At 4:35 in that video the guy lifts the rear floor in the 110 to show some additional empty space that would be very useful. I suspect it's where the battery pack will go in the PHEV model, but for the rest it's the obvious place to look at storing spares, recovery gear, tools, or alternatively a 2nd battery etc.

Follow up – I saw a pic today showing the drivetrain diagram for the P400, and that space is occupied by the MEV batteries. So all you folks keen on the 6 cylinder won’t be able to use that space.

[Barraman]

I have a 2015 D4, which I just luv - easily the most comfortable, fast touring, big boat towing vehicle I have ever owned! I've racked up 140k in 4.5 years with about half of those towing a 6.5M boat.

I don't like the look of the D5, which IMO looks like someone kicked up the bum! I have other dislikes of it as well.

I think there may be a new Defender in my future - spec'd out to be as much like my D4 as possible, but I will wait for the next model so they can iron the bugs out!

[Creaser]

Is the bench seat a single unit? Or does it comprise two standard seats with a jump seat installed in the middle?
The bench seat will make the decent bed?

New 110 is 54mm lower, 71mm shorter and 201 narrower than a D4.

Any specs on 110 air suspension heights?

creaser

[SBD4]

Is the bench seat a single unit? Or does it comprise two standard seats with a jump seat installed in the middle?
The bench seat will make the decent bed?

New 110 is 54mm lower, 71mm shorter and 201 narrower than a D4.

Any specs on 110 air suspension heights?

creaser

Front axle clearance(mm): Standard 218 / Off-road 291

It has a jumpseat not a bench seat. the back can fold down when not in use to act as an armrest with cup holders etc:

https://doubleapex.co.za/wp-content/uploads/Defender-4.jpg

[blackrangie]

Follow up – I saw a pic today showing the drivetrain diagram for the P400, and that space is occupied by the MEV batteries. So all you folks keen on the 6 cylinder won’t be able to use that space.Will we need with a that battery power [emoji6]

[Arapiles]

Local Pinball Parlour. (Is there such a thing these days?).

Nope

[djambalawa]

Seen on another forum and didn't think this has been posted here yet? A pic of a 130 and due date of 2021?

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*Update* ah sorry that might be photoshopped but might be based on some 'leaked' earlier image just showing outlines of vehicles.. not sure.. so might not be true.

[Tins]

Seen on another forum and didn't think this has been posted here yet? A pic of a 130 and due date of 2021?

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*Update* ah sorry that might be photoshopped but might be based on some 'leaked' earlier image just showing outlines of vehicles.. not sure.. so might not be true.

Thx. Looking at the pics it would seem to be a 130 in name only. The wheelbase appears to be identical to the '110'. So, let's hope it IS photoshopped.

[SBD4]

Thx. Looking at the pics it would seem to be a 130 in name only. The wheelbase appears to be identical to the '110'. So, let's hope it IS photoshopped.

They are all "in name only" as none have the wheelbase that relates to their name. The 130 shares the same wheelbase as the 110 (~119"), they just add a bit of extra length on the end of the 110. I guess it means that the turning circle and ramp over angle aren't compromised.

[DiscoMick]

I read that the 130 will have the same wheelbase as the 110, but will have a longer body.

[Tins]

They are all "in name only" as none have the wheelbase that relates to their name. The 130 shares the same wheelbase as the 110 (~119"), they just add a bit of extra length on the end of the 110. I guess it means that the turning circle and ramp over angle aren't compromised.

Yes, that is so, but it will bugger up the departure angle somewhat.

[DiscoMick]

The 110 has a very short departure angle, so I guess the longer 130's will be closer to that of the D4/5.

[RobA]

Is the bench seat a single unit? Or does it comprise two standard seats with a jump seat installed in the middle?
The bench seat will make the decent bed?

New 110 is 54mm lower, 71mm shorter and 201 narrower than a D4.

Any specs on 110 air suspension heights?

creaser

201mm narrower than a D4?????????

Rob

[shanegtr]

From what I've read isn't the new defender wider than a D3/4?

[scarry]

Thx. Looking at the pics it would seem to be a 130 in name only. The wheelbase appears to be identical to the '110'. So, let's hope it IS photoshopped.

That reminds me of what they did with the D2,added 150mm to the load area of the D1.

If that’s a real pic,it will still have a pretty good departure angle,particularly the EAS models.

[blackrangie]

New Defender Rendered As A Commanding Convertible (https://www.motor1.com/news/371134/land-rover-defender-convertible-render/)

Great gallery in this article

Heres a fewhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/eca022cbe0fd9ff60c5a1a0ef5838b09.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/8967b37d36a2502e45bf479f6a203877.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/883fb6f862f1bc83f6f05207d683c9f4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/20d5b02f3608f35159c6af2261b82f59.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/52267bc974c986c17aef54ac1c962487.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/a161ea8dd7a737e0f6badba418e318a4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/97cd02d4ad963efbede02658bd2dccf1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/1b04f498a457adf6c7e0e5181f7aaae8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/488cead0680e59eaed74a1db32c58fc0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/8935b549acf82e76c9f0878963e73ab8.jpg

[Creaser]

201mm narrower than a D4?????????

Rob

Opps! my apologies...
Defender 1999mm wide
Disco 4 2022mm wide


creaser

[cjc_td5]

201mm narrower than a D4?????????

RobHaha, that would make it as wide as my 86"!

[SBD4]

Opps! my apologies...
Defender 1999mm wide
Disco 4 2022mm wide


creaser
Not sure where you're getting the 1999mm from:






Defender 110
D4


Height (mm)
1,967
1,887


Length (mm)
5,018(inc. spare)
4,829


Front wheel track (mm)
1,704.1
1,605


Rear wheel track (mm)
1,699.7
1,612.5


Width Mirrors Folded (mm)
2,008
2,053


Width Mirrors Out (mm)
2,105
2,200

[Gregz]

Not sure where you're getting the 1999mm from:






Defender 110
D4


Height (mm)
1,967
1,887


Length (mm)
5,018(inc. spare)
4,829


Front wheel track (mm)
1,704.1
1,605


Rear wheel track (mm)
1,699.7
1,612.5


Width Mirrors Folded (mm)
2,008
2,053


Width Mirrors Out (mm)
2,105
2,200




Warning : Pedantry [bighmmm] :

[DiscoMick]

I like the green with a white roof, but I'd probably buy the white with the black highlights.


New Defender Rendered As A Commanding Convertible (https://www.motor1.com/news/371134/land-rover-defender-convertible-render/)

Great gallery in this article

Heres a fewhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/eca022cbe0fd9ff60c5a1a0ef5838b09.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/8967b37d36a2502e45bf479f6a203877.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/883fb6f862f1bc83f6f05207d683c9f4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/20d5b02f3608f35159c6af2261b82f59.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/52267bc974c986c17aef54ac1c962487.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/a161ea8dd7a737e0f6badba418e318a4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/97cd02d4ad963efbede02658bd2dccf1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/1b04f498a457adf6c7e0e5181f7aaae8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/488cead0680e59eaed74a1db32c58fc0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/8935b549acf82e76c9f0878963e73ab8.jpg

[SBD4]

Warning : Pedantry [bighmmm] :
Warning heeded...All my numbers came from the Land Rover AU website[thumbsupbig]:

Land Rover(R) Discovery4 Specifications - Land Rover(R) Australia (https://www.landrover.com.au/discovery-4/specifications.html)

[scarry]

It would be nice to see a RHD model

[LRD414]

Warning heeded...All my numbers came from the Land Rover AU website[thumbsupbig]:

Land Rover(R) Discovery4 Specifications - Land Rover(R) Australia (https://www.landrover.com.au/discovery-4/specifications.html)

Facelift model from 2014 onwards has a different mirror as documented in that link.

Scott

[blackrangie]

YouTube (https://youtu.be/bi7yyMaS3Kk)

Longy but a goody

[SBD4]

YouTube (https://youtu.be/bi7yyMaS3Kk)

Longy but a goody
Posted in LR Videos forum 5 days ago:

The New Land Rover Defender - A Necessary Evolution? 4K Feature Film (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/land-rover-videos/274026-new-land-rover-defender-necessary-evolution-4k-feature-film.html)

It is an absolutely fantastic piece which I recommend people take the time to watch.

[blackrangie]

2020 Land Rover Defender: 50 things you need to know (https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/2020-land-rover-defender-50-facts-figures)

Great article, mostly factual, except 18-22inch tyres [emoji1787]

My pick is the wading and Ip67 electronics, looks to be both in/out.

Pretty cool a manufacturer saying crack the doors if you start to float [emoji1417]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/c71d8b746a192e5b14249abb2b9f5f4a.jpg

[roverrescue]

If the new Defenders windscreen is sealed as well as a members brand new D5 you won’t need to crack the door - water will have a good entrance provided by good ol LR quality control!!!

All good though - fully sealed electronics sounds like a good plan - I wonder what wiring connections they ran with? Something already out there or new proprietary option.

S

[ChookD2]

Not sure if this is gunna work but here goes..



Nope didn't work.

[Deefa]

This is the question that is of the upmost importance for "old" Defender , and series drivers. DO WE WAVE?

Will you get blank faces back thinking "do I know that guy?"

Or will it be the familiar, I know what its like, I feel your pain, yet know the satisfaction.

The answer to this is possibly the answer to the Question should the new Defender have been the new Discovery 5.

[Grahame Roberts]

That's a lot more prominent than a snorkel or wind deflector.

Anything that doesn’t protrude past the external mirrors and is not sharp is legal.

[DiscoMick]

This is the question that is of the upmost importance for "old" Defender , and series drivers. DO WE WAVE?

Will you get blank faces back thinking "do I know that guy?"

Or will it be the familiar, I know what its like, I feel your pain, yet know the satisfaction.

The answer to this is possibly the answer to the Question should the new Defender have been the new Discovery 5.
I'll wave.

[SBD4]

This is the question that is of the upmost importance for "old" Defender , and series drivers. DO WE WAVE?

Will you get blank faces back thinking "do I know that guy?"

Or will it be the familiar, I know what its like, I feel your pain, yet know the satisfaction.

The answer to this is possibly the answer to the Question should the new Defender have been the new Discovery 5.
Yes, how else will they learn?

[blackrangie]

If the new Defenders windscreen is sealed as well as a members brand new D5 you won’t need to crack the door - water will have a good entrance provided by good ol LR quality control!!!

All good though - fully sealed electronics sounds like a good plan - I wonder what wiring connections they ran with? Something already out there or new proprietary option.

SI would say IP67 rated connectors [emoji6]
When building my own truck, i was always looking at everything IP67,68,69 where possible. Fantastic LR taking a holistic approach here. Water crossings are a big part of 4wding in AU.

[DiscoMick]

Yes they used ip67 connectors. A windscreen can be sealed properly if enough adhesive is used.

[roverrescue]

I’m sure they went with IP67 or better connectors
BUT did they go with a known performer market leader like Deustch
OR did they go all we can do better and come up with a proprietary connector that when it breaks in 2030 is un-obtainium without buying an entire JLR wiring harness?

One of the few solid things about the tdci defender is as it was under FORDMOCO ownership things like the fuel connectors are boring as bat-**** Ford EFI connectors that can be found nearly anywhere???

Has anyone got the low down on how the fly-by-wire brakes actually work? Is it fly-by-wire to a hydraulic power pack / ABS module or is it direct electrical activation of the calipers? Does the D5 have fly-by-wire brakes?

Has anyone seen what they have done for an EPB ?

Steve

[hpal]

Has anyone seen what they have done for an EPB ?

Steve
Yes I wondered too about the epb, has the D5 got the POS like the D3 and D4 or something better? Poor design on the D3

[blackrangie]

I’m sure they went with IP67 or better connectors
BUT did they go with a known performer market leader like Deustch
OR did they go all we can do better and come up with a proprietary connector that when it breaks in 2030 is un-obtainium without buying an entire JLR wiring harness?

One of the few solid things about the tdci defender is as it was under FORDMOCO ownership things like the fuel connectors are boring as bat-**** Ford EFI connectors that can be found nearly anywhere???

Has anyone got the low down on how the fly-by-wire brakes actually work? Is it fly-by-wire to a hydraulic power pack / ABS module or is it direct electrical activation of the calipers? Does the D5 have fly-by-wire brakes?

Has anyone seen what they have done for an EPB ?

SteveSend an email to a dealer with question, would be interesting what answer you get. [emoji1417]

[blackrangie]

Got an indication from dealer pricing should be avail 1st week in OCT for AU anyone heard any different?

[grey_ghost]

I have contacted 2 dealers requesting pricing. Both dealers said that they would respond within 24 hours.... Still waiting - not a good start LR

[Don 130]

Centre steer podcast The new Defender special episode.

https://centresteer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/CSP-New-Defender-Reveal.m4a

Yes it's American, but the bloke interviewed has been to see it in the flesh, and explains many things not apparent elsewhere.
Don.

[Nicool]

Plenty of things i like... but a BIG boot size was essential for me.
To tell the truth, i was hoping for more than the Disco's 1200 L (measuring with 5 seats up - i need 5 seats)

I am reading the 110 gets 646 L when 2nd row seats are up, which is half of the Disco's 1200L...
It does say 1075 L loaded to the roof, but who would load their car to the roof when going offroad?

I like its look much better than the SUV-shape of the Disco 5, but boot is too small
Will have to pray for a boxy Disco 6 ;)

[gromit]

I am reading the 110 gets 646 L when 2nd row seats are up, which is half of the Disco's 1200L...
It does say 1075 L loaded to the roof, but who would load their car to the roof when going offroad?



No problem with a cargo barrier fitted.

Colin

[ozscott]

Plenty of things i like... but a BIG boot size was essential for me.
To tell the truth, i was hoping for more than the Disco's 1200 L (measuring with 5 seats up - i need 5 seats)

I am reading the 110 gets 646 L when 2nd row seats are up, which is half of the Disco's 1200L...
It does say 1075 L loaded to the roof, but who would load their car to the roof when going offroad?

I like its look much better than the SUV-shape of the Disco 5, but boot is too small
Will have to pray for a boxy Disco 6 ;)[emoji16][emoji1787]funnily enough the D5 shape in comparison is growing on me now.

Cheers

[Nicool]

No problem with a cargo barrier fitted.

Colin
That’s a goof point, haven’t looked atthe accessories yet, didn’t think they would offer one on a 7-seater

Does anyone know if the 1200L bolt space of the disco is measured with boot filled to the roof as well?

[gromit]

That’s a goof point, haven’t looked atthe accessories yet, didn’t think they would offer one on a 7-seater



If you need 7-seats you probably wouldn't be using the cargo barrier, depends on your kids though.....

I run a 7-seater (not Land Rover) and have fitted a cargo barrier when I need to carry stuff for work.
I remember the 'carry on' on the forum when I mentioned this ! Difficult to get people in when the cargo barrier is fitted but I'm sure someone will try. The company that supplied it included a 'glass hammer' fitted to the rear along with a warning sign to state nobody to be carried behind the cargo barrier.


Colin

[4bee]

Where was this a few weeks ago. It might have stopped the bickering. [biggrin]



https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/kids-range-rover-inspired-ride-on-car-black/?utm_source=MailList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20190921_EDM_1_AU_TOYS_TOYS_RIDECAR&sponsored=0 (https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/kids-range-rover-inspired-ride-on-car-black/?utm_source=MailList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20190921_EDM_1_AU_TOYS_TOYS_RIDECAR&sponsored=0)

[AK83]

.....
Will have to pray for a boxy Disco 6 ;)

Wouldn't be holding breath for that.
That's really the major downside with the unitary body construction.
Notice that they're all rounded or moulded, so you won't see one with a 'boxy design' .. like a Defer or Transit van.
The inner double skin walls(strength) and rounded corners(strength) for the unitary chassis is basically a requirement.

[rar110]

Have any motoring journalists done a test drive yet. I’ve only seen a walk around.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I saw 3 different intro's all done with the same two cars, in the same position, in the same place.... [bighmmm]

[rar110]

I saw 3 different intro's all done with the same two cars, in the same position, in the same place.... [bighmmm]

Same here in the bush somewhere and at the Frankfurt show. I thought someone would be allowed a drive by now.

Have JLR announced when deliveries will commence? Maybe Brexit is causing uncertainty seen as they are making the new Defender in Europe.

[SBD4]

Same here in the bush somewhere and at the Frankfurt show. I thought someone would be allowed a drive by now.

Have JLR announced when deliveries will commence? Maybe Brexit is causing uncertainty seen as they are making the new Defender in Europe.
At a guess, I don't think that will happen until the first production runs roll off the assembly lines. I am guessing Jan/Feb. I think it was the same for the D5.

[DiscoMick]

Production in Europe should protect them from disruption in deliveries to the world, but there will be long queues to get into Britain.

[100inch]

Looking at all the complaining and whining (obviously based on 'opinions') on some UK based forums, JLR's move to produce the new Defender outside the UK has actually become another bonus in my view. Seems my money is better spend with a Slovakian worker. m

[grey_ghost]

Hi All,

I note with interest that some Land Rover dealers (eg ULR in Melbourne) have the 90 listed...

*Defender 90 - coil & terrain response, 18" steel wheels, 3d camera, cruise control, smartphone pack, 2.0TD, etc
*Defender 90 S - 19" wheels, leather, 2.0TD
*Defender 90 SE - keyless entry, leather, 20" wheels, 3.0P
*Defender 90 X - Air Suspension, Terrain Response 2 (I assume only works with air?), other cosmetic stuff. 3.0P (although slower than the SE? Same donk? Heavier I guess)

Anyway - nobody from LR is willing to give me a price, none of the 3 dealers that I have contacted have returned my query. That despite the first dealer saying that somebody would be in contact "within 24 hours" - that was a week ago I think...

Oh well - Land Rover can't be that interested in selling these vehicles, especially to a brand loyal person like myself...

Cheers,
Grey Ghost

[roverrescue]

Maybe they are worried you’ll be skeered when they tell you the price!!!!

Are JLR serious that you need to up-size to the third of four model tiers to get keyless entry???
Come on! $25k Hyundai’s come with keyless entry.

S

[Red90]

They won’t exist for another nine months at least. No point in them going crazy trying to se them.

[grey_ghost]

Hi Red90,

I am in the market now for a vehicle - and can wait, but there isn't any point in waiting if the pricing is out of my reach.. I get the fact that depending on options, the gap between a base spec car and the top spec car could be as much as $70 difference... I also get the fact that until I have sat it one, and driven one, I can't make a decision. All I want from LR is an indication on price. I'm probably wasting my time waiting anyway...

[Red90]

They don’t have 90 pricing yet and won’t for awhile. 90s won’t be put for a year or more. They are building only 110s first.

[ozscott]

Maybe they are worried you’ll be skeered when they tell you the price!!!!

Are JLR serious that you need to up-size to the third of four model tiers to get keyless entry???
Come on! $25k Hyundai’s come with keyless entry.

SThat sort of stuff really grates about LR pricing. At the entry point the price is well and truly high enough to expect what is now classified as a basic item.

Cheers

[Tombie]

Maybe they are worried you’ll be skeered when they tell you the price!!!!

Are JLR serious that you need to up-size to the third of four model tiers to get keyless entry???
Come on! $25k Hyundai’s come with keyless entry.

S

Don’t forget Luddites want a key, a window winder and a crank handle.

Keyless is TTO, not remote.

[grey_ghost]

They don’t have 90 pricing yet and won’t for awhile. 90s won’t be put for a year or more. They are building only 110s first.

I find it difficult to believe that they don’t already have the pricing. After all the vehicle is advertised on Land Rover website’s.

If they don’t have the pricing - then why advertise the product? Seriously!

[Tins]

Posted in LR Videos forum 5 days ago:

The New Land Rover Defender - A Necessary Evolution? 4K Feature Film (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/land-rover-videos/274026-new-land-rover-defender-necessary-evolution-4k-feature-film.html)

It is an absolutely fantastic piece which I recommend people take the time to watch.

Indeed. It's a great vid, with some fantastic footage, esp of Goodwood, and he makes some extremely good points.

[Red90]

Huh? Only the 110 is on the Land Rover websites.

[grey_ghost]

Hi Red90,

Click on this link:

Choose Your Model - Land Rover Defender - Land Rover AU (https://www.landrover.com.au/vehicles/defender/models.html)

I found this via ULR (Melbourne) and Purnell (NSW)

Boy I like the look of the 90... [thumbsupbig]

[shamirj]

Hear what you are saying re LR calling you back... I filled on online form for my local LR dealer wanting a test drive of the new discovery 5 and got an automated email back saying someone will be in touch shortly to arrange test drive (potential new customer) but not one call or email from them and that was over 2-3 weeks ago now. very disappointed, you would think they (a dealer) may want to sell (me, a customer) a new LR...

what ever excuse they may have or IT problems with emails, they could still pick up a phone and call potential customers back assuming they rec'd my online email which prompted their auto reply...

re the new defenders do like them, but would love a proper independent test drive from someone, all youtube clips are people looking at them and talking about them without actually driving them. bring on a proper test drive of them..

[blackrangie]

Hi All,

I note with interest that some Land Rover dealers (eg ULR in Melbourne) have the 90 listed...

*Defender 90 - coil & terrain response, 18" steel wheels, 3d camera, cruise control, smartphone pack, 2.0TD, etc
*Defender 90 S - 19" wheels, leather, 2.0TD
*Defender 90 SE - keyless entry, leather, 20" wheels, 3.0P
*Defender 90 X - Air Suspension, Terrain Response 2 (I assume only works with air?), other cosmetic stuff. 3.0P (although slower than the SE? Same donk? Heavier I guess)

Anyway - nobody from LR is willing to give me a price, none of the 3 dealers that I have contacted have returned my query. That despite the first dealer saying that somebody would be in contact "within 24 hours" - that was a week ago I think...

Oh well - Land Rover can't be that interested in selling these vehicles, especially to a brand loyal person like myself...

Cheers,
Grey GhostBoth dealers i contacted got back to me straight away mate, pm me for details.
Pricing however is not avail yet in AU as stated above, hopefully first week OCT.

Heres one rolling off the line, they forgot the badge tho [emoji6] https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190923/3017fcac22b6b6cbe2115d5480aef62d.jpg

[SPROVER]

Both dealers i contacted got back to me straight away mate, pm me for details.
Pricing however is not avail yet in AU as stated above, hopefully first week OCT.

Heres one rolling off the line, they forgot the badge tho [emoji6] https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190923/3017fcac22b6b6cbe2115d5480aef62d.jpgAre you sure that's a new pretender? Looks allot like a new Range rover, evoke, freelander, discovery, or skoda to me[emoji16][emoji16][emoji16][emoji1787] Hard to tell! [emoji848]

[SBD4]

Are you sure that's a new pretender? Looks allot like a new Range rover, evoke, freelander, discovery, or skoda to me[emoji16][emoji16][emoji16][emoji1787] Hard to tell! [emoji848]

Geez mate, are you alright? Your eyes seem to be giving you a bit of trouble aren't they?

FYI your nearest OPSM is in Wantirna..hope that helps[thumbsupbig][bigrolf]

[SPROVER]

All good mate... actually had them checked at specsavers Knox 2 weeks ago... so all good there. [emoji106][emoji1787]

[Tombie]

Anyone saying they can’t tell the differences needs Specsavers (or equivalent). [emoji6]

I can even tell the difference between Urban, Country and Adventure builds. [emoji41]


How do you all cope with Jeep, BMW, Kia, Ford etc who all have a common identity in their model line ups? You must all drive around perplexed [emoji12][emoji41]

[ramblingboy42]

Blackrangie , who is this secret dealer that you have been having a special relationship with for the past 2 years?

[scarry]

Plenty of things i like... but a BIG boot size was essential for me.
To tell the truth, i was hoping for more than the Disco's 1200 L (measuring with 5 seats up - i need 5 seats)

I am reading the 110 gets 646 L when 2nd row seats are up, which is half of the Disco's 1200L...
It does say 1075 L loaded to the roof, but who would load their car to the roof when going offroad?

I like its look much better than the SUV-shape of the Disco 5, but boot is too small
Will have to pray for a boxy Disco 6 ;)

I need a similar cargo area as D4 as well.
The new Deefer cargo area is around 200mm shorter with 5 seats,its also around 120mm lower.Width is similar.
I always have a cargo barrier and if necessary load to the roof height.

So maybe i have to wait for the 130,but i suppose it will be heavier,more expensive,and won't be here for a few years.
It will also have a lower departure angle than the 110,but hopefully not ridiculously low.

[Tombie]

Perhaps just carry less [emoji13][emoji6]

[1nando]

Perhaps just carry less [emoji13][emoji6]Imao, you said exactly what I'd been thinking the whole time. Lol

[scarry]

Perhaps just carry less [emoji13][emoji6]

i was wondering who would be first.....[biggrin][bighmmm]

[Tombie]

Took me 10+ years to reduce Mrs Tombies “must take” list down from a Prime mover and trailer down to the rear of the vehicle!

We can now go 4 weeks living out the back without a problem.

[LRD414]

We can now go 4 weeks living out the back without a problem.
Same; take less, pack better. The improved departure angle will be great (compared to D4).

Scott

[DiscoMick]

I'm still waiting to find out if I can get 12 bags of goat poo in the back of a new 110.
[emoji16]

[Tombie]

I'm still waiting to find out if I can get 12 bags of goat poo in the back of a new 110.
[emoji16]

What size bags? [emoji41]

I’ve had 15 x 20kg bags of concrete in the D4 with room to spare (stacked 3x5 across the back edge of the load space so everything in front of it was empty.

[roverrescue]

Come on Mike
I jammed 20 bags of ceeement into the wifeys Xtrail
Of course the rear springs didn’t love the 400kg and they may have taken a slightly lower set from that day onwards - oops!!!

S

[JDNSW]

Reminds me of the Cortina I saw one Saturday morning forty years ago stopped by the side of Punt Rd in Melbourne, just north of the railway bridge. There used to be a bad bupm there heading south. He had a roofrack with five bags of cement on it. His roof was about a foot lower than normal!

[Ancient Mariner]

Late sixtees doing workshop extensions took my modded 80"series to the ready mix depot and said fill her up[smilebigeye]=

AM

[scarry]

I'm still waiting to find out if I can get 12 bags of goat poo in the back of a new 110.
[emoji16]

I recon you got no hope,but let us know once the new vehicle arrives in your driveway[tonguewink]

For the record I had 35 bags of premix in the van,with all the crap that’s in the shelves that run down each side,and it still wasn’t on it’s bump stops.

Hardest part was carting them down the side of the house to where they were needed,our block has quite a slope.

[blackrangie]

Land Rover Dealerships Set For An Off-Road Battle | CarBuzz (https://carbuzz.com/news/land-rover-dealerships-set-for-an-off-road-battle)

Apparently these are customized by lucky8

At end says finals will be in customized defenders. [emoji41]

[jon3950]

Perhaps just carry less [emoji13][emoji6]

I'd be one of the first to say the same, but you reach a point of diminishing returns.

We travel pretty lightly and there would be very little we could do to reduce the amount of space we need - I'm always looking at what we take and trying to reduce it. While we don't fill the back of the 110, we did pretty much fill the back of the D4.

200mm less than a D4 is a lot of space to lose, that's like going back to a D1. I like the proportions of the 110, but to me this makes it an impractical choice for a touring vehicle. So it looks like we will need to wait for the 130, but how much more expensive will that be?

Cheers,
Jon

[scarry]

I'd be one of the first to say the same, but you reach a point of diminishing returns.

We travel pretty lightly and there would be very little we could do to reduce the amount of space we need - I'm always looking at what we take and trying to reduce it. While we don't fill the back of the 110, we did pretty much fill the back of the D4.

200mm less than a D4 is a lot of space to lose, that's like going back to a D1. I like the proportions of the 110, but to me this makes it an impractical choice for a touring vehicle. So it looks like we will need to wait for the 130, but how much more expensive will that be?

Cheers,
Jon

Exactly.

The difference between the D1 and D2 loadspace was 150mm,and they all said that was a huge amount of extra room,which it was.I had a D2,and one of my brothers had a D1,so easy to compare.

The D2 also had good height,which was handy with a cargo barrier.

[DiscoMick]

What size bags? [emoji41]

I’ve had 15 x 20kg bags of concrete in the D4 with room to spare (stacked 3x5 across the back edge of the load space so everything in front of it was empty.Recycled chook food bags. Weight isn't an issue - goat poo is light.

[cripesamighty]

I hear you. I went from a 110 to a D1, and now also have a D3. The differences in load space and how or what you can carry is interesting between the three, LxWxH.

[ozscott]

Exactly.

The difference between the D1 and D2 loadspace was 150mm,and they all said that was a huge amount of extra room,which it was.I had a D2,and one of my brothers had a D1,so easy to compare.

The D2 also had good height,which was handy with a cargo barrier.I.have both. Yep it's a big deal. Cheers

[4bee]

Hardest part was carting them down the side of the house to where they were needed,our block has quite a slope.

Paul, you should have bought a Chinook rather than a Van. Job done.[biggrin]

[RobA]

I've just posted the USofA PDF for ordering on this thread. Please use this area now the new Defender has been released. (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l663-defender/273979-please-use-area-now-new-defender-has-been-released-2.html)
The PDF is an interesting and useful read that shows lots of stuff I have not found on any of the configurators and, for me at least, plenty of useful stuff around options etc. Hope it helps

Rob

[DiscoDB]

The Press Kit is also worthwhile downloading.

New Defender | Land Rover International Homepage (https://media.landrover.com/vehicle/new-defender?page=1#)

https://media.jlrms.com/download_archives/10b894a0-5445-41cf-aaa9-41c522b63e6a/new-land-rover-defen.zip

[ramblingboy42]

****ing amazing....so much information about something we can't buy for 6-9 months

the accessory kings may have everything available before the vehicles are......I wouldn't be putting my money there......although ARB shares aren't a bad buy.

[460cixy]

It's got a face only a mother could love hey. Is there going to be commercial models Utes etc? Or just these toys for old farts and hipsters in slacks and pointy shoes?

[SpudHeadTed]

It's got a face only a mother could love hey. Is there going to be commercial models Utes etc? Or just these toys for old farts and hipsters in slacks and pointy shoes?

What he said. ...Best review I’ve heard so far! 👍 the green 90 looks like a grumpy frog with a man-bun! [bigrolf]
Spud.

154541

[460cixy]

I just recon they dropped the ball bloody ladders and lunch boxes hanging off the side it's always been basic comercial now it's like the rest of the range

[scarry]

Anyone seen a RHD version yet?

Maybe they aren't going to make one...[bigsad][biggrin]

[grey_ghost]

Anyone seen a RHD version yet?

Maybe they aren't going to make one...[bigsad][biggrin]

Lol - nope! A bit to American biased at this point in time, yeah?

[16PMark]

God bless America..NOT!
Just sayin...
As Yaz was....
[emoji6]
Lol - nope! A bit to American biased at this point in time, yeah?

[blackrangie]

In the uk [emoji41]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/cb25a0312e36b7cccd8104d571ba507f.jpg

[blackrangie]

This pic imo shows the most retro looking new defender yet.

Also found some good interior shots showing dash retro storage and wha t the walkthrough looks like.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/5d086ae29fdbf25439ef49bd4ab931b7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/2382da96c792160eab6a4cca56806062.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/a51608d5331f7ab98aed53d2e5af9505.jpg

[SBD4]

This pic imo shows the most retro looking new defender yet.

Also found some good interior shots showing dash retro storage and wha t the walkthrough looks like.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/2382da96c792160eab6a4cca56806062.jpg

Thanks for those BR. Nice to see some on a transporter. Do you think they are for dealer demos? Hopefully someone will get to drive one for a proper review.

That drivers seat pic seems to show analogue dials which is good and that floor covering (the interior generally) looks like it's going to be pretty robust.

[blackrangie]

From rearhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190927/d0220c734db801c3fd48ea03386ff8d8.jpg
Something written on front of top one, "demonstrator vehicle" ?

[ozscott]

That white one at that angle looks OK. And as you say quite retro. Cheers

[djambalawa]

From rearhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190927/d0220c734db801c3fd48ea03386ff8d8.jpg
Something written on front of top one, "demonstrator vehicle" ?


But I haven't even passed my address onto LR yet!?

[disco gazza]

I just had a look at the specs on the new model.

Dont like the height that they give.

Ground clearance ; 220mm off-road 291mm.

My rangie has clearance of 290mm in access mode.

Me thinks I'm gonna be giving the new defer the big miss if its like that.

disco gazza

[cjc_td5]

This pic imo shows the most retro looking new defender yet.

Also found some good interior shots showing dash retro storage and wha t the walkthrough looks like.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/5d086ae29fdbf25439ef49bd4ab931b7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/2382da96c792160eab6a4cca56806062.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/a51608d5331f7ab98aed53d2e5af9505.jpgFINALLY one shown in a proper colour, ie basic white! That looks great IMO!

[ozscott]

Where is the 291mm measured From? Sills? Cheers

[460cixy]

Even the steel wheels look poxy

[4bee]

That can't be right. Poxxy is spelt with 2 x XXs.[biggrin] They do though, back to the fifties stuff.

[SBD4]

I just had a look at the specs on the new model.

Dont like the height that they give.

Ground clearance ; 220mm off-road 291mm.

My rangie has clearance of 290mm in access mode.

Me thinks I'm gonna be giving the new defer the big miss if its like that.

disco gazza

I thought offroad height on the L322 was 280mm and standard is 230mm, is that right? If that's the case, how do you get 290mm at access height?

[disco gazza]

I use access mode to enable me to park inside my garage.

Measured at front/ middle and rear.

Its 280mm.

Running 265/60/18 on standard rims.

[ozscott]

Measured from.where ? Sills? Is lowest part the bottom control arms? What is clearance under those? Cheers

[101RRS]

I use access mode to enable me to park inside my garage.

Measured at front/ middle and rear.

Its 280mm.

Running 265/60/18 on standard rims.

Selective measuring I think.

L322 official heights

Access Height 183mm
Onroad height 223mm
Offroad height 282mm

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[16PMark]

FINALLY one shown in a proper colour, ie basic white! That looks great IMO!X2!
Definitely more appealing in the White.
Very nice.
[emoji41]

[ramblingboy42]

Even the steel wheels look poxy

it is an extremely rare occasion that I agree with you but this time , I do.

[cjc_td5]

This pic imo shows the most retro looking new defender yet.

Also found some good interior shots showing dash retro storage and wha t the walkthrough looks like.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/2382da96c792160eab6a4cca56806062.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/a51608d5331f7ab98aed53d2e5af9505.jpg

I'll be hoping there is an (aftermarket) option open up for a centre console arrangement. I wouldn't want the centre jump seat and it looks like the factory full centre console only comes with the up-market leather package, so I would be left with the walk through interior. A centre console box that sat on top of the walk through area, with a heap of storage, would be tops...

[blackrangie]

Great comparo article

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/land_rover/2020-land-rover-defender-ar186005.html

[16PMark]

Great comparo article

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/land_rover/2020-land-rover-defender-ar186005.htmlGood article, but I really really hate the term "SUV"..... [emoji849]

[Tombie]

Good article, but I really really hate the term "SUV"..... [emoji849]

I also dislike it; seems to have become the Catch-All though [emoji3525]

Mind you 4wd has always been incorrect also. [emoji41]

[Tins]

Like him or not, he knows a bit:


https://youtu.be/utZRGNCeZFM

[Tombie]

Like him or not, he knows a bit:


https://youtu.be/utZRGNCeZFM

Actually he knows SFA on many topics - He’s a huge Luddite and has no concept of the modern tech.

It’s stunning he even acknowledges the TR and capability.

After his visit down under there has been quite a bit of talk about his ineptitude with tech and his inanely boring speeches.

[jon3950]

He raised some interesting points and was a lot more positive than I expected him to be. However he does seem to have an irrational fear of air suspension and clearly doesn’t understand how the system works and how with a few simple tools it can be repaired in the bush.

His lack of technical knowledge is clearly on display in the videos of his 105 build. They are worth watching because they feature a lot of Paul Marsh.

Cheers,
Jon

[cripesamighty]

On the whole I don't mind the guy. At least he has led an interesting life! I did have an email conversation with him about his Troopy fitout concerning his electrical setup and he basically shut me down. Each to their own I guess. Since that conversation he has mentioned in several videos the same problems I mentioned (and others on this forum too) with the electrical setup of his vehicle. Go figure...

[Tins]

Actually he knows SFA on many topics - He’s a huge Luddite and has no concept of the modern tech.

It’s stunning he even acknowledges the TR and capability.

After his visit down under there has been quite a bit of talk about his ineptitude with tech and his inanely boring speeches.

"Visit down under"? He has lived in Perth for around three years.... However, I agree with most of what you say. My point was he knows a bit about touring. I'll bet he's done more than most here. Perhaps I should have been clearer.

[DiscoClax]

I don't mind watching ASPW generally. He's done some really interesting stuff and he's really passionate. But he does get a fair bit wrong and he does carry some stong prejudices so you need to filter for that. He admits most of them.

Big brakes have got zero to do with towing, for example. Function of vehicle weight and performance. The trailer will brake itself and isn't part of the equation. That's why the higher performance versions get the bigger brakes and vice versa.

Most "serious" owners will have diagnostic gear and do their research so they can sort out the majority of issues with basic spares and gear. I can't imagine owning any late model anything without diagnostic tools.

[Tins]

I don't mind watching ASPW generally. He's done some really interesting stuff and he's really passionate. But he does get a fair bit wrong and he does carry some stong prejudices so you need to filter for that. He admits most of them.

Big brakes have got zero to do with towing, for example. Function of vehicle weight and performance. The trailer will brake itself and isn't part of the equation. That's why the higher performance versions get the bigger brakes and vice versa.

Most "serious" owners will have diagnostic gear and do their research so they can sort out the majority of issues with basic spares and gear. I can't imagine owning any late model anything without diagnostic tools.

Yeah. I wanted to pull him up on the towing thing. A Disco 2 has the same towing capacity as the new Deefer, with 16" wheels. I think the D1 did as well. But he is intolerant of dissent, as I have found out before.

I found his take on the new car interesting though. His first passion was Range Rovers. He had a good relationship with LR until he bagged the D2 traction control and CDL delete, a position with which I wholeheartedly agree. But he has not been really interested in Land Rover since then really, but the D4 trip he mentioned in this vid is well worth a look.

https://youtu.be/JIlQtB4tbNQ

[rar110]

I didn’t mind the ASPW review. I agree with above comments though. But I think you have to own/use a Land Rover with EAS to appreciate it virtues incl it’s general reliability. Well that’s been my experience with the EAS on my 08 L322.

[1nando]

I used to be in the "too many electrics" is crap camp". I'm willing to admit it.

In saying that I think it's a fair analysis of the new defender. If its as good as LR is telling us and the thing is relaible then time will tell.

LR only had one shot at this and I'm hoping they thouroughly invested in the r&d to make "the toughest LR ever" as claimed, otherwise I think it may cement their slow decline into irreverent manufacturer. In other words if this new defender does not prove to be reliable I believe the brand will be tarnished beyond repair.

[SPROVER]

I used to be in the "too many electrics" is crap camp". I'm willing to admit it.

In saying that I think it's a fair analysis of the new defender. If its as good as LR is telling us and the thing is relaible then time will tell.

LR only had one shot at this and I'm hoping they thouroughly invested in the r&d to make "the toughest LR ever" as claimed, otherwise I think it may cement their slow decline into irreverent manufacturer. In other words if this new defender does not prove to be reliable I believe the brand well be tarnished beyond repair.Have to agree with that.. especially after all the bloody year long advertising they did for it .

[rar110]

Double post somehow.

[PerthDisco]

He raised some interesting points and was a lot more positive than I expected him to be. However he does seem to have an irrational fear of air suspension and clearly doesn’t understand how the system works and how with a few simple tools it can be repaired in the bush.

His lack of technical knowledge is clearly on display in the videos of his 105 build. They are worth watching because they feature a lot of Paul Marsh.

Cheers,
Jon

Agree, Easiest solution and best way forward to defeat the ‘need to take it to LR’ myth for the smallest tech issue would be for the car display to show diagnostic readout so no need for an IID tool or similar.

Crazy they build in all these smarts only a few selected repair sites can connect to in a country like Australia.