Drive Through Brakes in Normal mode?

[Stuart02]

Feel like a numpty asking this one but was trying to delicately park in a tight spot against a gutter and every time I gave the car a nudge with the left foot on the brake it wasn't interested, just powered down.

Do I need to use a different mode? Can I not use Normal?

[Tombie]

Brake and Throttle Pedal at the same time doesn’t work!
The vehicle sees it as combatting features.

If you want a slow nudge, select Low Range and let it creep on the brake at idle.

[scarry]

Thats why left foot brakers have issues with modern vehicles,as they unknowingly, sometimes drag the brake pedal.

I know a guy who bought a D4,quite a few years ago, and had all sorts of issues with it.While the dealer had it for a few days,the loan car started to have the same issues.

He was a left foot braker.Changed his driving style,never had the issue again.

[DiscoJeffster]

The car flags an error event that you can pull with a diag tool every time it sees a brake and accelerator combined event. It’s considered a fault, not something one should do. Unless you’re a racing driver, I agree.

[DieselLSE]

Have to laugh about this. I mean the brake cancelling out the accelerator. You can just imagine all those ones and noughts trying to figure out what's going on, giving up and replying "computer says No"!
I suppose this means that the old Series technique of leaving the left foot on the brake for a little while after river crossings to dry out the drum brakes is well and truly consigned to history and the failing memory of us old farts. You learned this after your first river crossing where the exit was a steep bank. You'd try to stop, but your brakes would be useless and you'd simply slide back (well, not slide really as your wheels would happily be rolling unhindered) into the river. The transmission brake might grip, but there was always the danger that it could slew you sideways and you'd have even less control. It only took one experience for you to always keep going up, with your left foot on the brake, until you found a flat spot to stop.
Then cresting a steep track with, I swear, the last revolution of the motor. But I'm getting nostalgic. All those tracks that I conquered with skill, wheel placement, throttle control and brilliant driving I now cruise up in the D4 with barely a spill from the crystal champagne glass. Not sure the D4 even needs me there at all...

[DiscoJeffster]

Not sure the D4 even needs me there at all...

Well who’s going to top up the champagne?

[DieselLSE]

Well who’s going to top up the champagne?
You mean there isn't a button for that?

[DiscoJeffster]

You mean there isn't a button for that?

Maybe on the D5. No way on the new Defender though. While it’s a pretty thing and capable, auto-champer dispenser is the realm of the Disco model.

[DieselLSE]

Maybe on the D5. No way on the new Defender though. While it’s a pretty thing and capable, auto-champer disbursement is the realm of the Disco model.
If only Landrover was owned by the French.

[W&KO]

I don’t own a late model car...but drive hire car a lot.

I still keep to the age old method off

Right foot is for brake or accelerator

Left foot is for clutch.

Some hire cars have an electronic handbrake that disengages when you press the accelerator, this doesn’t feel like its being friendly to the brakes so I disengage manually.

[scarry]

Some hire cars have an electronic handbrake that disengages when you press the accelerator, this doesn’t feel like its being friendly to the brakes so I disengage manually.

Pretty sure all cars with EPB have this feature.

We are all getting dumber and lazier,haven’t you noticed?[bighmmm]

And most also hold on a hill momentarily if the EPB is released.

[Stuart02]

Haha, thanks all - at the risk of telling folks how to suck eggs and all that, "drive through the brakes (DTTB)" is an accepted and still-taught technique for driving autos on undulating or rough terrain and steep descents. You use your left foot on the brake and release it just to the point of the car moving, then use the accelerator to overcome the brakes. It takes a careful left foot but the sensation is the same as HDC, whereby you can release the accelerator and the brakes will still be stopping the car from running on, rather than having to quickly and heavily apply the brake, risking losing traction or just going too fast. And yep, it's all but redundant in cars with HDC, although it's useful on erosion bars etc for not launching off the back of them, without having to change turn on and off the HDC all the time. And hey, maybe one day your HDC decides to pack it in at an inconvenient time, or you need to get your mate's old Patrol down a hill.

I actually first learned the technique doing a Range Rover Club training day - always happy to learn new/old stuff and get my bad habits ironed out. That was in my L320, where it worked just fine, though I think on reflection I only ever used it in low range.

I'm a big fan of HDC especially in the L319s and highly recommend it over DTTB (otherwise I'd still be driving manuals), I was just not going to be bovvered changing modes and getting in to low range to carefully get up on a curb and not shoot backward into the waiting tree, and was a bit surprised to find my wish was not the car's command!

[ATH]

I personally think the EPB is the most annoying stupid bit of crap ever invented. Like most things in vehicles these days if I ever need them (think lane departure garbage, or rear crossing traffic. etc) I'll give up driving.
Our EPB (2016 D4) seized on once but the stealer replaced the faulty solenoid part and drums and I never use the drive through rubbish.
As to left foot braking, I'll leave that to rally drivers or the idiot girl seen on the Mitchell Freeway recently..... right leg cocked up high, right arm resting on it with mobile phone ready and waiting...... and her left leg across doing the throttle and braking. This is on the same day the WA Gov. announces higher penalties for phone usage whilst driving.
Words nearly fail me when it comes to the absolute stupidity of so many on our roads.
It ain't the speed they're doing that kills, it's the bloody stupidity of the things they do at any speed.
AlanH.

[Stuart02]

Just came across this from Robert Pepper... 10 skills the average driver doesn't have | Practical Motoring (https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/10-skills-the-average-driver-doesnt-have/)

Just sayin'.... :-P

[BradC]

Just came across this from Robert Pepper... 10 skills the average driver doesn't have | Practical Motoring (https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/10-skills-the-average-driver-doesnt-have/)

Just sayin'.... :-P

Huh. Seriously, people can't do those anymore? The D3 is the best car I've ever driven for "No-revs moving". More like "No-revs climbing the side of a building". It has torque for Africa. Put it in low and it's "No-revs backing the caravan up hill". And it lets me left foot brake without the computer screaming "denied!!".