MOAB Rims

[HarryO]

Hi All

Previous D4 had Compomotive Rims and I had no problems with them - I see there is a slightly cheaper MOAB Rim (now available in stock) that I may put on the new D4.

Has anyone had good /bad experience with MOAB’s?

cheers

[Tombie]

How about the new one from Tuffant?

[HarryO]

Looked at them and will use one for the Spare - for the driving set I prefer the look & strength of alloy rims. (alloy vrs steel is a whole other debate)

[loanrangie]

Looked at them and will use one for the Spare - for the driving set I prefer the look & strength of alloy rims. (alloy vrs steel is a whole other debate)I think he means the tuffant alloys.

[Tombie]

I was referring to the Alloys. [emoji106]

[LRD414]

5 x TuffAnt alloy for $1668
Set of 5 - TuffAnt Alloys | TuffAnt (https://www.tuffant.com/product-page/set-of-5-tuffant-alloys)

5 x Moab alloy for $2200
Land Rover Discovery D4 18" MOAB Wheels (https://4wd1.com/moab-discovery-d4-wheels.html)

Don’t know relative shipping cost. Single Moab costs $550 but not sure for smaller quantities of TuffAnts.

Cheers,
Scott

[HarryO]

Thanks Tombie - Did not know about the Tuffant alloy - Bugger it just got harder - now there 3 to choose from 😁

I really trust the Compo’s because they have taken a hammering on my other Landy but have read some posts about them delaminating and stock / delivery is an issue.

I don’t like the look of the Tuffant Alloy - 5 spoke looks a little too ‘Hollywood’ for me (just my opinion)

Had no negative comments about them so far so might just have a think on going the MOAB..

Doing Cape York (incl Frenchman’s & Old Tele) when it eventually opens 🤞 hopefully they don’t let me down 😳

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[gofish]

Tuffant also do steelies, $971 for 5 on there website.

[josh.huber]

I have Tuffant steels. I like the look on my white D4 I painted them Matt Black, same as my roof rack.

Beauty is in the eye of the owner!
Personally I love the idea of compos. But I reckon they are ugly. Moabs too. I didn't like the first tuffant alloy with the machined section either. I agree it was too much. But the solid black colour looks great.
I had to get some help from tuffant and they were great. Even though I bought second hand wheels. If I was going remote that would be my choice purely on there service. Although I can't comment on Moab service or compos.
Good luck on your choice mate. Have a great trip

[AlexRS4]

I don't half mind the look of the tuffant alloy. In silver it would look like a factory rim I reckon.

Anyone fitted them in the silver or titanium colour? Can't find many pics other than Black.

[loanrangie]

Thanks Tombie - Did not know about the Tuffant alloy - Bugger it just got harder - now there 3 to choose from 😁

I really trust the Compo’s because they have taken a hammering on my other Landy but have read some posts about them delaminating and stock / delivery is an issue.

I don’t like the look of the Tuffant Alloy - 5 spoke looks a little too ‘Hollywood’ for me (just my opinion)

Had no negative comments about them so far so might just have a think on going the MOAB..

Doing Cape York (incl Frenchman’s & Old Tele) when it eventually opens 🤞 hopefully they don’t let me down 😳

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You do realise that both the compos and moabs are 5 spoke ?

[kelvo]

You do realise that both the compos and moabs are 5 spoke ?
Are you sure [bigwhistle]

[Tombie]

The 6th one is a spare [emoji1]

[Briar]

Definitely 6 spoke. At least they fit and look ok. Have yet to use them in anger. Waiting till interstate travel is eased.

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[HarryO]

Looks good Briar - very very similar to the Compo’s - are those 265/65’s


Just me being anal but one very small detail that I like about the MOAB is the smooth rim area between the spokes:

First photo is the Compo -second the MOAB

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Compo’s look better but I found the little ridged on the Compo a pain in the arse to clean around...

not that that would make anyone choose one over the other.
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[Tombie]

I can tell you why I’d engineer them in though [emoji41]

[HarryO]

I can tell you why I’d engineer them in though [emoji41]


Added strength I suppose?

[Briar]

Looks good Briar - very very similar to the Compo’s - are those 265/65’s


Just me being anal but one very small detail that I like about the MOAB is the smooth rim area between the spokes:

First photo is the Compo -second the MOAB

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Compo’s look better but I found the little ridged on the Compo a pain in the arse to clean around...

not that that would make anyone choose one over the other.
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265/60. The 60 profile with the 18" gives about the same rolling circumference as the 19" with 55 profile.

[gtmurph]

Just ordered a set of Tuffant alloys, price was right (good discounts at the moment) and don’t mind the styling, went with silver. If I had the budget would have went with Evo Corse from Italy.

[loanrangie]

My bad yes they are 6 spoke, what i was getting at was unless centerline made the racing rim in an offroad 18" all other wheels are spoked.

[TerryO]

A question for the D4 owners who have purchased either the MOAB or TuffAnt 18” Alloys to replace either their 19” or 20” rims, has anyone had any issues with either brand? I note that the TuffAnts are rated at 1050kg and the Moabs at 980kg.

Any real life experiences with either of these two different model wheels would be appreciated.

[Naps]

Definitely 6 spoke. At least they fit and look ok. Have yet to use them in anger. Waiting till interstate travel is eased.



Like the look of the MOAB rims Briar... I'm also thinking of going with 265/60 R18 tyres, so interested in how things have gone. That's assuming you have been able to get out onto the road for a decent run in these challenging times :-).

[Briar]

Like the look of the MOAB rims Briar... I'm also thinking of going with 265/60 R18 tyres, so interested in how things have gone. That's assuming you have been able to get out onto the road for a decent run in these challenging times :-).

Still haven't put them on in anger yet. They are all sitting in a container on my property. We were planning on doing a 6 month trip into the desert in WA starting in April but that went by the wayside. I was less than 1/2 way worn on the Maxxis on my 19" rims so I just kept them on for the moment. Managed to get away to QLD but staying mostly on blacktop towing the van. May as well wear the Maxxis' out at the moment and swap over next year if we are able to do the WA trip then.

[HarryO]

Had mine put on with BFG 265/65R18’s - agree with Naps they look great but the true off-road load test still to come. Had some minor rubbing at lowest LLMS setting but nothing a heat gun and rubber mallet didn’t solve..

[Naps]

Still haven't put them on in anger yet. They are all sitting in a container on my property. We were planning on doing a 6 month trip into the desert in WA starting in April but that went by the wayside. I was less than 1/2 way worn on the Maxxis on my 19" rims so I just kept them on for the moment. Managed to get away to QLD but staying mostly on blacktop towing the van. May as well wear the Maxxis' out at the moment and swap over next year if we are able to do the WA trip then.

Briar, I think that there are going to be a whole host of people just waiting to be able to launch out onto road trips across Oz. I'm in a similar boat, the OEM Goodyear Wranglers still have a way to go before they need to be swapped out... so will bide my time doing research :-) pending the time when things open up again.

[Marc E]

I've just put MOAB's on my D4 with Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus in 265/60R18. They fit well with no rubbing.

However, the spare tyre is a very, very tight fit.

The guys at the tyre shop were starting to panic when I arrived to pick it up, however, removing the tow assembly, and carefully angling the tyre allowed it to go into place ok.

They've been offroad a couple of times, no problems so far...

Marc


A question for the D4 owners who have purchased either the MOAB or TuffAnt 18” Alloys to replace either their 19” or 20” rims, has anyone had any issues with either brand? I note that the TuffAnts are rated at 1050kg and the Moabs at 980kg.

Any real life experiences with either of these two different model wheels would be appreciated.

[Graeme]

The spare has to be parallel to where it sits as it goes up, so sloping down at the front rather than horizontal.

[HarryO]

Only way to store the 265/65R18 / BFG KO2 spare is if it’s deflated - even then it’s still bloody tight.

Flat Spare - there’s got to be a joke in their somewhere!

Got onboard compressor so will pump when needed.

[Naps]

I've just put MOAB's on my D4 with Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus in 265/60R18. They fit well with no rubbing.

However, the spare tyre is a very, very tight fit.

The guys at the tyre shop were starting to panic when I arrived to pick it up, however, removing the tow assembly, and carefully angling the tyre allowed it to go into place ok.

They've been offroad a couple of times, no problems so far...

Marc
Posted recently on the US Landrover Forum (https://www.landroverworld.org/threads/18%E2%80%9D-rims.42010/) and provides some good points for consideration.
Wheels and Tires for the LR4 (https://troyangrignon.com/wheels-and-tires-for-the-land-rover-discovery-lr4/)

[TerryO]

Posted recently on the US Landrover Forum (https://www.landroverworld.org/threads/18%E2%80%9D-rims.42010/) and provides some good points for consideration.
Wheels and Tires for the LR4 (https://troyangrignon.com/wheels-and-tires-for-the-land-rover-discovery-lr4/)

An interesting read and he has researched quite a lot of details on different rims and tyre sizes, however I don’t agree with to many of his findings or his solution which is not legal in Australia given he ends up using wheel spacers.

One thing to keep in mind when reading posts from the USA regarding either D3/4’s is they don’t have diesels, they only have V8 petrol models so their Disco’s don’t have the smaller diameter brake rotors that 2.7 litre diesel models do which allows 17” rims. At least one AULRO member previously fitted the smaller rotors and disc’s from a D3 to his V8 D4 so he could fit 17” rims in the past. This is a good off road option but whether or not it is legal is another story.

[rhinosm]

I have Tuff Ant rims and BFG tyres.
I managed to dent two rims in Simpson desert last year, they now rub on front brakes.
Both from hitting massive pot holes.
A whole story there!!
They fit on rear OK, no rubbing.
Lucky I bought 6.

[INter674]

I have Tuff Ant rims and BFG tyres.
I managed to dent two rims in Simpson desert last year, they now rub on front brakes.
Both from hitting massive pot holes.
A whole story there!!
They fit on rear OK, no rubbing.
Lucky I bought 6.

Geez..that's not good.. to bend a rim like that😐

[LRD414]

I have Tuff Ant rims and BFG tyres.
I managed to dent two rims in Simpson desert last year, they now rub on front brakes.
Both from hitting massive pot holes.
Probably would have cracked them if had been alloy. Why not get them fixed?

[Naps]

An interesting read and he has researched quite a lot of details on different rims and tyre sizes, however I don’t agree with to many of his findings or his solution which is not legal in Australia given he ends up using wheel spacers.

One thing to keep in mind when reading posts from the USA regarding either D3/4’s is they don’t have diesels, they only have V8 petrol models so their Disco’s don’t have the smaller diameter brake rotors that 2.7 litre diesel models do which allows 17” rims. At least one AULRO member previously fitted the smaller rotors and disc’s from a D3 to his V8 D4 so he could fit 17” rims in the past. This is a good off road option but whether or not it is legal is another story.

Hi Terry, good to know, and I agree that the option proposed with spacers is not what I would be considering. I was more interested in the overall tyre dimensions and the commentary on 'fit' with respect to guard rubbing and under vehicle storage. I will be looking at the 18" rims designed for the larger brake discs for the Aussie D4 models fitted out with 265/60 R18 LT tyres... most probably BFG KO2s

[Graeme]

Probably would have cracked them if had been alloy. Why not get them fixed?Hitting a solid lump of limestone on a Nullabor track caused an horrendous bang, sent the vehicle skywards and instantly destroyed the tyre but only curled the lip of a 20" L322 alloy. The rim wasn't distorted and has balanced normally with an old KO2 as the spare. However it was the outer edge that took the hit whereas a hit on the inner edge would have been quite different.

[rhinosm]

Probably would have cracked them if had been alloy. Why not get them fixed?

I agree, would have easily cracked alloys, I've done that before, that's why I went to steel.
I will get them repaired and use as spares.
Thanks

[INter674]

I agree, would have easily cracked alloys, I've done that before, that's why I went to steel.
I will get them repaired and use as spares.
Thanks

Mmm...we've hit some massive holes etc inc one on the Simmo that I swear should have sheared the front diff off and never cracked a LR alloy. Indeed in many years of off roading factory alloys have proven the best for toughness. Aftermarket...well not so good😐

[TerryO]

Given it has been quite a while since this thread was last posted in I'm hoping, even with the various lock downs, that there might be some who have had a chance to do some off roading and might be able to give some feedback regarding the off road durability of either the Tuffant or Moab alloys?

I am also considering the steel Tuffants as an option.

I look forward to any feedback from you guys.

[loanrangie]

Can't offer any feedback but I see a few new defenders running Tuffant alloys in the US, Denver Colorado LR dealer has a few videos on YouTube.

[TerryO]

Can't offer any feedback but I see a few new defenders running Tuffant alloys in the US, Denver Colorado LR dealer has a few videos on YouTube.

Thanks for that, I’ll check the video’s out, I checked the TuffAnt website and the D5 versions, which also fit D4’s, have 17mm more off set which would help with wider tyres. I’ll check with the retailer tomorrow and see what he has to say.

[LRD414]

Given it has been quite a while since this thread was last posted in I'm hoping, even with the various lock downs, that there might be some who have had a chance to do some off roading and might be able to give some feedback regarding the off road durability of either the Tuffant or Moab alloys?

I am also considering the steel Tuffants as an option.

I look forward to any feedback from you guys.

I’ve been running the Tuffant alloys for 6 months full time travel around Australia Terry, including plenty of outback gravel road and station tracks. No technical rock crawling, just fully loaded touring and towing. 22,000km just clocked up shod with 265/65 Nitto Ridge Grapplers. They’ve been excellent so far. The D4 would be over 3t the whole time and most of that has been towing as well, so I’m happier with the higher load rating.

Cheers,
Scott
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[Jeffoir]

Hi Scott,

Great trip. Well done and thank you for the posts.
I am glad the Nittos worked well on your TuffAnt 18" alloy rims.
I am trying to learn about the tyre options for my D4, for a Central Australian trip i am planning next winter and thinking that this Nitto may be a good option, once I buy the TuffAnt 18"s
Spare tyre space is not a concern, as I have a twin wheel carrier. The fuel tank was changed to long range by the previous owner.

The TireSize.com (https://tiresize.com/tires/Nitto/Ridge-Grappler.htm) website lists the Nitto LT 265/65/R18 as running at 654 revs to the mile.
The OEM D4 tyres 255/55/R19 run 672 revs per mile.
If I am correct and i may well not be, 654/672 means the speedo would read 2.7% slower with the Nittos. eg 100 kmph when the vehicle is actually running at 103 kmph.

Could a tool like the IID Gap tool be used to reset this discrepancy or do you simply allow for the difference as you read the speedo?
Thank you and best wishes,
Jeff

[chuck]

Jeff

From memory the D4 speedo reads low so you should be ok

D5 with 275 55 20's read 103 when doing actual 100.

So Landrover speedo's seem to read consistently low.

Checked with both GPS speedo app on phone and speed checker on Geelong Rd

[DieselLSE]

The usual "as built" speedo setting for our market is set at 3.5% below actual and at +2kph.
Although each of these parameters has a number of settings, it appears as if there are only two main market settings. In Genesis, this is displayed under Jaguar Speedometer Calibration Market which can be found under the Warnings and Messages tab. The choices are:
Market 0: 3.5% + 2kph
Market 1: 2.0% + 0kph
Accordingly, if "as built" setting is Market 0, then the following parameters are also factory set:
Jaguar KPH Offset: +2kph
Jaguar Percentage Scaling Factor: 3.5%


For my vehicle I changed all three settings as follows:
Market 1: 2.0% + 0kph
Jaguar KPH Offset: 0kph
Jaguar Percentage Scaling Factor: 2%
This gives a spot on speedo on 19” 255/55/19 and 18” 265/60/18

[chuck]

Diesel LSE

So does that mean in market 0 it would be 5.5km/h at 100 kmh

If so that would have been my estimate of being 6 km/h out on standard tyres.

Thanks for the info

[DiscoJeffster]

Diesel LSE

So does that mean in market 0 it would be 5.5km/h at 100 kmh

If so that would have been my estimate of being 6 km/h out on standard tyres.

Thanks for the info

I’m 106kph on the dash for 100kph actual (gps) on standard configuration and standard wheels and tyres.

[veebs]

I’m 106kph on the dash for 100kph actual (gps) on standard configuration and standard wheels and tyres.

Same here, which works out as Market 0 standard doesn't it?

100km/hr, plus 3.5% would show 103.5km/hr
plus 2km/hr = 105.5km/hr. Rounding to the nearest whole number = 106km/hr

:)

[LRD414]

I’ve not used the Gap iiD to reset settings as described above because I’ve gotten used to actual versus speedo. What I’ve noticed is:
265/60/R18 was around 103/104 for 100 actual
265/65/R18 is pretty close to reading true

Cheers,
Scott

[DieselLSE]

Diesel LSE

So does that mean in market 0 it would be 5.5km/h at 100 kmh
Thanks for the info
I think it must be something like that as the Jeffster and veebs have observed.

[scarry]

Although Nitto’s are great,and have excellent reviews,they are at times very difficult to get hold of.

A mate got caught out after he destroyed one,which by the way wasn’t the fault of the tyre.

[Jeffoir]

Thank you Team,
I very much appreciate your advice and input.
Safe travels,
Jeff

[Naps]

MOAB 18" Alloys held up well on our recent 6mth, 24,000km trip through outback NSW, Qld, NT and SA on some rough as guts roads. Shredded a tyre on the Oodnadatta Track and down to the rims, but no issue with cracking.
Naps

[Briar]

They work and look ok.

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