Td5 VGT Turbo vs Hybrid turbo.....Anyone tried both?

[SPROVER]

After my oil pump bolt came loose .... you can read my other thread about it [emoji17]..
It has ruined my Hybrid turbo... there is a lot of play in the shaft and a high pitched whine. So my question is has anyone tried both the hybrid and vgt turbo on the td5.
Is there really much difference between the 2? Is the vgt that much better then the hybrid?
I'm trying to work out if I should just go a vgt or not. I've been trying to get back onto jose at td5inside but as usual I get no reply. [emoji17] Who else sells the vgt turbo for the td5? I'm after some feedback and any help would be appreciated. I took my turbo off today so I'm ready to make a decision. I took a standard turbo off my spare engine and might just put that on in the mean time.

Thanks
Chris

[Kaaaiju]

Hybrid has good middle to high power but not really an bottom end, but an VGT has , I got td5inside hybrid but will hopefully get the new VGT from alive which will come out soon

Jose won't send vnt to aus and many of us here have asked for months and months and nothing, so alive tuning is our best option as they will ship to Australia

If you can wait, wait for the vgt turbo as there will be two sizes, standard and bigger race spec one

[twr7cx]

They're not mutually exclusive. You can have a hybrid VNT (e.g. TurboTechnics S220, Td5Inside's CrTurbo range, Alive Tunings upcoming VNT offering, Empire Tunings VNT offer, etc) or a VNT which is based on a standard size turbo (e.g. the TurboTechnics S208).
None is necessarily better than any other - it's subjective based on what you want to achieve and purpose of it - your tuner will also effect the outcome far more than you may realise.
Generally in all cases, with all other things being equal, the VNT version of standard or hybrid will be superior for drivability and response at least.

Jose from Td5Inside has no more stock of his CrTurbo offerings for this year. He also isn't currently exporting them to Australia even if he did have stock. The TurboTechnics, while much older units, have a long history of service and reliability on Td5 applications. There's a number of other brands with recent offerings or soon bringing out offerings.

[SPROVER]

So what do people think about the billet hybrid from alive tuning? Still not as good as a VGT turbo? I would really like good low down and mid range power and torque.

[Kaaaiju]

That's where Their vgt will be good down low, hybrid are good but mine being an manual an bit of lag down low

[SPROVER]

Anybody have some feedback on the Allisport VGT Turbo?

[twr7cx]

So what do people think about the billet hybrid from alive tuning?

It's a reasonably good hybrid turbocharger. I haven't seen any complaints and it seems to do what is expected. As always, the particulars of the tune will greatly effect it's overall gains and performance though.



Still not as good as a VGT turbo? I would really like good low down and mid range power and torque.

Did you read my post above regarding the benefits for a VGT for low down and mid gains?
There isn't necessarily a 'better', it's more better for particular applications and use. You need to first consider what you want to actually achieve, then you can use this to assess the appropriate product to achieve this.



Anybody have some feedback on the Allisport VGT Turbo?

Have you looked at their website at Td5 VGT uprated turbocharger - AlliSport (https://www.allisport.com/shop/performance-products/vgthybrid-turbos/land-rover-td5-vnt-turbo-direct-replacement-turbocharger/) ?
It clearly shows that it's a Turbo Technics unit. There's plenty of information about them already - some of us have been using them for close to a decade - if you do some searching you'll have plenty to read.

[SPROVER]

Ok... it might be easier if I list what my requirements are...I would like
- good low down and mid range
- power.. we all want that[emoji16]
- minimal lag.
- and probably more when I can think of it.

I currently have a serck intercooler, boost box, 255/85/16 tyres, 4.11 gears and auto. Snorkel and the usual other mods.

[Kaaaiju]

Then an VGT will be for you
Ok... it might be easier if I list what my requirements are...I would like
- good low down and mid range
- power.. we all want that[emoji16]
- minimal lag.
- and probably more when I can think of it.

I currently have a serck intercooler, boost box, 255/85/16 tyres, 4.11 gears and auto. Snorkel and the usual other mods.

[twr7cx]

Then an VGT will be for you

Yes, but also not quite that simple. Not all VGT are equal.



Ok... it might be easier if I list what my requirements are...I would like
- good low down and mid range
- power.. we all want that[emoji16]
- minimal lag.
- and probably more when I can think of it.

I currently have a serck intercooler, boost box, 255/85/16 tyres, 4.11 gears and auto. Snorkel and the usual other mods.

If your want list is based on compared to a standard setup, then the Turbo Technics S208 will achieve that. It will significantly increase your response, eliminate lag, substantially increase low end power/torque and improve the mid. There will be minor improvements at the top end (mainly due to the improved impeller design by using a CNC machined unit rather than a cast) too - but you didn't list this as something you were chasing anyhow, so it's just a bonus.

It's also likely the VNT that's been around the longest so has a proven track record of reliable use.

I recommend using Jose from Td5 Inside to tune for it. Get rid of the turbo boost box, have a software MAF clamp applied rather and upgrade your MAP sensor to the Bosch Mercedes-Benz unit (with the tune adjusted to suit) if needed.

You'll also need to remove the waste gate actuator from service. I suggest plumbing the waste gate boost line directly into your inlet manifold/EGRdelete inlet to maximise response and boost levels.

They're available from a few places include Bell Auto Service and Alisport:
TD5 VGT Uprated Turbocharger Road and Off Road - Bell Auto Services, BAS Remaps, Custom Remaps York, Performance upgrades, Service & Repairs and much more. BAS Powering the Landrover tuning world! (https://bellautoservices.co.uk/store/td5-vgt-uprated-turbocharger-road-and-off-road/)
Td5 VGT uprated turbocharger - AlliSport (https://www.allisport.com/shop/performance-products/vgthybrid-turbos/land-rover-td5-vnt-turbo-direct-replacement-turbocharger/'doing_wp_cron=1604537113.7583680152893066406250)


Alternatively, the upcoming Alive Tuning VGT may suit your needs to but you'll need to wait for it's release, it'll likely be more expensive, but give better top end gains, and doesn't have a history of proven reliable use.

Storm Tuning also offer various VGT (see their website at < Storm Tuning – Bespoke Land Rover Tuning (https://stormtuning.com) > for details but I'm not aware of details.

Empire Tuning have adapted an off the shelf VGT using an adapter spacer to the Td5. A number of other big names had previously tested this turbo on the Td5 application and found it lacking. I'd avoid it.


You may also wish to consider upgrading your exhaust manifold when fitting the new turbocharger to maximise performance gains.


For clarification, when you say "power.. we all want that" - where do you want it though? I assume from your line above your looking at down low and mid range for it. But given you currently have a hybrid fitted you likely have improved mid and top end than standard at present - are you wanting to retain these along with your want list above? If so you'll need to be looking towards a hybrid VNT, something bigger, rather than the S208 which is close to standard turbo sizing.

[SPROVER]

Excuse my ignorance but are the bell auto and allisport vgt turbo the same? Are they both turbo technics? I tried to find out but couldn't find anything. I'm leaning towards the Turbo Technics S208.
Also I have a hybrid remap from Jose. Will I need a complete new map or could he modify it?

[twr7cx]

Excuse my ignorance but are the bell auto and allisport vgt turbo the same? Are they both turbo technics?

Yes, they are just sellers of the same Turbo Technics brand product. Hence why both of those two stores have TurboTechnics on their ads... and why I linked them as places to buy that unit from...



Also I have a hybrid remap from Jose. Will I need a complete new map or could he modify it?

Jose edits his maps free of charge. He is very familiar with tuning for the S208 as he has done so remotely for a large volume of Australian customers. He can however take a long time to do things so I'd suggest contacting him now about it as you will likely be waiting weeks - months.

[SPROVER]

I installed my spare standard turbo back on so I can drive it around. You can definitely tell the difference between the hybrid and standard turbo[emoji51]. Although it still has the hybrid remap. I'm leaning towards buying the vgt turbo from Bell auto service. I'm just about over the line and ready to buy it.
Would I be right in saying you have this turbo on your D2? What sort of boost are you running? And more importantly are you happy with its all round performance? Have you used it to tow anything heavy?

Cheers
Chris

[twr7cx]

I installed my spare standard turbo back on so I can drive it around. You can definitely tell the difference between the hybrid and standard turbo[emoji51]. Although it still has the hybrid remap.

Running a tune designed for a different turbo will be increasing the performance difference between the two. Hope you are monitoring your EGT.



Would I be right in saying you have this turbo on your D2?

Yes.



What sort of boost are you running?

It varies, but I think my peak is around 22-23psi.



And more importantly are you happy with its all round performance?

Yes. I've dealt with all the other factors to match and suit it to though - diff gears to match the tyre sizes, large torque converter to be able to drive off the low down torque, maximised exhaust flow, good tune to suit, appropriate intercooler, etc. The turbo itself isn't enough magic but in conjunction with everything else can work wonderfully.
It's provided my with 9 years and 135,000km of solid reliable performance.
I'm interested in trying some of the new offerings but sourcing them into Australia and having the vehicle tuned to suit isn't currently an option available.



Have you used it to tow anything heavy?

Yes. Car trailers with vehicles loaded, horse floats with horses in, boats, plant trailers with diggers on them, etc.

[SPROVER]

I'm probably running a similar set up to you. I've got 4.11 gears with 33 inch tyres... serck intercooler, same amount of boost, 2 inch lift, remapped by Jose. EGR delete and centre muffler delete. Exhaust manifold with egt gauge and about to fit an oil pressure gauge with alarm [emoji3]. Will probably go a large exhaust in the future.

[twr7cx]

Will probably go a large exhaust in the future.

I wouldn't bother. Unless you have a turbo of large enough size that the turbo manufacturer requires or recommends you to (e.g. TurboTechnics S220 I believe specifies 3" exhaust). The Td5 is only a small 2.5L motor, it doesn't rev particularly high, if you have 2.5" exhaust pipe with good bends and high flow mufflers, resonators, cat converters and Flexi joint, the engine exhaust flow requirements won't exceed the 2.5" exhaust.
3" exhaust weighs more (which negatively impacts performance) and more chance of rub/fouling elsewhere on the vehicle.

[SPROVER]

Well I've ordered the VGT turbo from Allisport. Should be here hopefully tomorrow[emoji16]
Looking forward to fitting it up. For anyone interested I'll post up my thoughts on it, especially compared to the hybrid I had on it previously.

[Kaaaiju]

How much is that going sting $$?

[twr7cx]

Looking forward to fitting it up. For anyone interested I'll post up my thoughts on it, especially compared to the hybrid I had on it previously.

Preferably after having an appropriate tune done for it...

[SPROVER]

Preferably after having an appropriate tune done for it...Yes definitely... but that all depends on Jose and when he alters the map [emoji17]

[Kaaaiju]

Could be an while, as he is touring uk till December
Yes definitely... but that all depends on Jose and when he alters the map [emoji17]

[twr7cx]

Could be an while, as he is touring uk till December

I'm sure he's got a laptop with him.

[Kaaaiju]

6months and still waiting for an map adjustment so must be busy
I'm sure he's got a laptop with him.

[SPROVER]

This arrived yesterday [emoji3][emoji3]. Ordered on the 9th and here already. Great service from Allisport. Would of been here even earlier but got held up by customs. And slugged by the gst [emoji19].
Hopefully I'll fit it up this weekend. I've tried to get in contact with Jose at td5inside about altering my tune but still no luck. [emoji17]166171

[Tombie]

This arrived yesterday [emoji3][emoji3]. Ordered on the 9th and here already. Great service from Allisport. Would of been here even earlier but got held up by customs. And slugged by the gst [emoji19].
Hopefully I'll fit it up this weekend. I've tried to get in contact with Jose at td5inside about altering my tune but still no luck. [emoji17]166171

Seeing that BAS was one of the developers of that exact unit - perhaps drop Pete a line about tuning it [emoji41]

[SPROVER]

Seeing that BAS was one of the developers of that exact unit - perhaps drop Pete a line about tuning it [emoji41]I was actually thinking about that[emoji3]. If I don't get a reply soon from Jose I might just have to do it.

[Kaaaiju]

How much was it all landed?
This arrived yesterday [emoji3][emoji3]. Ordered on the 9th and here already. Great service from Allisport. Would of been here even earlier but got held up by customs. And slugged by the gst [emoji19].
Hopefully I'll fit it up this weekend. I've tried to get in contact with Jose at td5inside about altering my tune but still no luck. [emoji17]166171

[SPROVER]

I'll send you a pm shortly.

[twr7cx]

How much was it all landed?

Their pricing is online - GBP 860.00 + shipping fee + 5% import duty on the item price and shipping costs + 10% GST on the item price, shipping costs and import duty amount = $1,804.59 at current exchange rates not including the freight costs.

[onebob]

Their pricing is online - GBP 860.00 + shipping fee + 5% import duty on the item price and shipping costs + 10% GST on the item price, shipping costs and import duty amount = $1,804.59 at current exchange rates not including the freight costs.

Wow ..! You sure do love your D2 don’t you [emoji6]

[Kaaaiju]

Keen to hear how it goes

[twr7cx]

Wow ..! You sure do love your D2 don’t you [emoji6]

Well worth it in my opinion but each to their own.

[SPROVER]

So tonight after work I took the standard turbo back off. One of the easier jobs to do on the disco[emoji16]. Hopefully i get a chance to install the vgt turbo tomorrow.

Below is a pic of the hybrid turbo and vgt turbo side by side. 166264

[SPROVER]

So I finally got some time to put the turbo on today[emoji3]. Tomorrow I will put new oil and filters in it before I start it. The oil has literally only done 1000km before the last change but Allisport recommend fresh oil. 166466

[SPROVER]

Also a question for those who have a vgt turbo installed.
Do I get rid of the waste gate modulator completely?
Do I keep the plug connected on it?
And where do I run the hose off the turbo?

Thanks
Chris

[Tombie]

Also a question for those who have a vgt turbo installed.
Do I get rid of the waste gate modulator completely?
Do I keep the plug connected on it?
And where do I run the hose off the turbo?

Thanks
Chris

Bypass modulator from turbo outlet pipe connection direct to VGT. If you really want the best - fit a connection on the EGR blank on the inlet manifold to the VGT. Gives real boost figures.

Leave modulator connected to loom and just put plugs on the connections for the hoses (or loop the hose that went to turbo back into line from main pipe).

[Kaaaiju]

Thought it was best to use the boost modular
Bypass modulator from turbo outlet pipe connection direct to VGT. If you really want the best - fit a connection on the EGR blank on the inlet manifold to the VGT. Gives real boost figures.

Leave modulator connected to loom and just put plugs on the connections for the hoses (or loop the hose that went to turbo back into line from main pipe).

[shack]

Thought it was best to use the boost modularIt depends on how the turbo is designed, I *think* most vgt are designed to be plumbed straight into the boost pressure in the intake.
If you plugged one of these styles into the WGM you would write possibly badly damage the turbo and be logging overboost continuously.
I think most are designed to operate with raw pressures, not modulated ones.

The supplier will know.

Cheers
James

[Tombie]

Thought it was best to use the boost modular

Not with VGT.

With a convention type it has a benefit.

[SPROVER]

It has been mayhem at home and work at the moment. I'm hoping to have it finished and test driving Saturday afternoon[emoji16]. I've attached a picture down below. Is this where I should attach the turbo hose or should it be below on the steel pipe? Then I just have to connect the waste gate module hoses in the correct position as per what Tombie suggested. Looking forward to finishing it. 166576

[Kaaaiju]

From the waste gate go to the steel pipe
It has been mayhem at home and work at the moment. I'm hoping to have it finished and test driving Saturday afternoon[emoji16]. I've attached a picture down below. Is this where I should attach the turbo hose or should it be below on the steel pipe? Then I just have to connect the waste gate module hoses in the correct position as per what Tombie suggested. Looking forward to finishing it. 166576

[SPROVER]

Update....

I filled the engine with oil today ready to be started. I disconnected the red plug from the ECU so I could prime the oil pump and turbo oil line without the engine starting. All was looking good at this stage. I then connected the hose from turbo to the turbo outlet steel pipe.

I bypassed the old wastegate modulator completely but left the plug from the loom connected. I think this is OK. I also blocked the other small hose connection near the MAF on the intake pipe.

Now I was ready to start it. Put the key in and it started straight away. But here's the problem. There is white smoke coming out the exhaust. [emoji17][emoji17] This wasn't happening when I put the standard turbo back on prior. It's almost like unburnt diesel. When I push the throttle there is just more white smoke. Lots of it.

What could be happening for it to do this? Do I need to connect the wastegate modulator back up? I recorded it on my phone but can't upload it here due to the size.
Any help would be great. I really need to get it going.

[shack]

Update....

I filled the engine with oil today ready to be started. I disconnected the red plug from the ECU so I could prime the oil pump and turbo oil line without the engine starting. All was looking good at this stage. I then connected the hose from turbo to the turbo outlet steel pipe.

I bypassed the old wastegate modulator completely but left the plug from the loom connected. I think this is OK. I also blocked the other small hose connection near the MAF on the intake pipe.

Now I was ready to start it. Put the key in and it started straight away. But here's the problem. There is white smoke coming out the exhaust. [emoji17][emoji17] This wasn't happening when I put the standard turbo back on prior. It's almost like unburnt diesel. When I push the throttle there is just more white smoke. Lots of it.

What could be happening for it to do this? Do I need to connect the wastegate modulator back up? I recorded it on my phone but can't upload it here due to the size.
Any help would be great. I really need to get it going.Pm sent..

[pojir]

Are you sure about the colour of the smoke? White would suggest coolant ingress. I'd rather expect light gray or light blue - that would mean oil ingress.

It's definitely not unburnt diesel - that would be black smoke.

[Red90]

Are you sure about the colour of the smoke? White would suggest coolant ingress. I'd rather expect light gray or light blue - that would mean oil ingress.

It's definitely not unburnt diesel - that would be black smoke.

Your smoke colour definitions above are for a petrol engine. Not a diesel. With a diesel, always smell the smoke. It will be clear the source by your nose.

Unburnt diesel creates white smoke. Black smoke is fully burned, excess fuel. White smoke normally comes from fuel being injected too late to burn.

[Kaaaiju]

Any luck?

[SPROVER]

Any luck?Nothing yet. I'll look at it on the weekend.

[Kaaaiju]

Any up date?

[SPROVER]

Unfortunately not at the moment... been away for a few days and a trip to the hospital Thursday after I put my back out. [emoji17][emoji17] Just resting up for a few days then I'll try again.

[stevo]

how long did you have it running for with white smoke, how long did you crank it for with red plug unplugged? injectors can still put fuel into the combustion chamber just not enough to make engine run, maybe run it till it gets warm and burns off any fuel itting in exhaust etc

[Kaaaiju]

Any news

[SPROVER]

Any newsPm sent

[SPROVER]

Any newsPm wouldn't go through.. your inbox is full.

[Kaaaiju]

Try again please I cleaned it up

[shack]

I'm also interested what the verdict is !

[twr7cx]

Pm sent

Don't want to just post up on here so we all know how you went?

[Kaaaiju]

Any more info on this, keen so see the outcome

[peter51]

Maybe he left the plastic blockoff normally inserted in the oil drain orifice of the new turbo.

[SPROVER]

It has been awhile since I have posted in this thread. I was waiting to receive the turbo back from turbo technics before I would post anything. The first thing I will say is dealing with AlliSport has been nothing but a pleasure. I had to make a warranty claim and that is why I hadn't posted anything up yet. They were extremely helpful and I would have no problems at all buying anything from them again.

I explained to them what was going on as it was blowing blue smoke on boost. To make a long story short they completely rebuilt the turbo free of charge but found no problem at all. So I'm back at square one. [emoji17] Just for people who don't know i had an oil pump bolt failure which I think I caught in time. Although my hybrid turbo was destroyed in the process. I'm not exactly sure but after getting the motor going again after the oil pump failure there was oil coming out the exhaust. So now I think the exhaust is full of oil and that's where the blue smoke was coming from when it gets hot.

And after putting the new turbo on the oil in the exhaust maybe burning off. I just don't know at the moment. I'm currently running the standard turbo and will install the vgt when it stops raining. So if it's not the turbo what else would be causing it to blow blue smoke only on boost. It doesn't blow any blue smoke at idle or light throttle. I hope it's not the motor. [emoji848][emoji17]

[shack]

First things first, see if it does it with the stock turbo back on, it is possible if you destroyed the hybrid that oil could be where it shouldn't.

Check blowby, check motor oil level, and see what you get.

Cheers
James

[SPROVER]

First things first, see if it does it with the stock turbo back on, it is possible if you destroyed the hybrid that oil could be where it shouldn't.

Check blowby, check motor oil level, and see what you get.

Cheers
JamesHi James,

I took it for a drive the other night and it actually drives really well with good power. It was hard to tell if the smoke was blue or black at night but there was a slight smell of oil from the exhaust. So I'm guessing there's still some in there. Might be an excuse to upgrade the exhaust! I checked for blowby about a week ago and it didn't really look bad to me. Maybe I'll record it and post it up. After having my provent 200 for about 4 years in the garage I finally installed it while it's been off the road. I'll check the oil level tomorrow. I'm just itching to get it offroad again as I've forgotten how nice it is to drive.
Cheers

[onebob]

Hi James,

I took it for a drive the other night and it actually drives really well with good power. It was hard to tell if the smoke was blue or black at night but there was a slight smell of oil from the exhaust. So I'm guessing there's still some in there. Might be an excuse to upgrade the exhaust! I checked for blowby about a week ago and it didn't really look bad to me. Maybe I'll record it and post it up. After having my provent 200 for about 4 years in the garage I finally installed it while it's been off the road. I'll check the oil level tomorrow. I'm just itching to get it offroad again as I've forgotten how nice it is to drive.
Cheers

Re blow-by, make yourself a manometer and measure the blow-by in inches of water then convert the reading to psi to obtain crankcase pressure. With a metering attachment it is also possible to measure blow-by and convert to litres per minute but for me the crankcase pressure is the most relevant measure, however, I have not been able to discover a LR specified value for the Td5. For what it’s worth my Td5 with &gt;440,000kms on the clock displaces 6 column inches of water at idle (780rpm) and 4 column inches at 2000 rpm (no load). 4 inches = 0.14 psi.
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[Bankz5152]

Just came across this and thought I would clear some things up.

For starters EVERY turbo available for the TD5 is "off the shelf" the difference being CRTurbos cut the flanges off and weld new ones in place. No different to the CNC Machined spacer, which actually allows for brilliant access to both oil filters which can be difficult with other VGTs/VNTs

Secondly just because Jose said "we tried that turbo back in 2001 and we didnt like it", means very little. Just means either he couldnt get it to run properly, wasnt worth it financially, wasnt requested or just didnt suit his style of mapping.

Ive had Empires VNT in my 110 for almost 2 years now and roughly 40k miles on road and off road. What I can say is the spool time is almost non existent, power delivery is fantastic very linear and refined however I suppose thats more down to Gareths skill as a tuner.

The turbo is watercooled and oil cooled. I run a STACK coolant gauge and have never seen it move above 104°c and that was my 2.8t 110, fully loaded with tools and 3 passengers doing 95+ up hill...

EGTs have never exceeded 550 even during the above, however when my 110 was mapped my TD5inside they frequently went above 950 barely pushing hard.

Smoke is minimal but power is there. Dynoed at 230bhp/530nm however this was on a standard airbox and a slightly split intercooler. Since been replaced. With torque very low in the rev range. Exceptional for running in sand and steep hills. So much so it actually squats when I put my foot down :D

Since install ive had zero problems with the turbo and zero problems with Empire as the tuner. I cant say the same for Td5inside whe my 110 was tuned by them.

Hope thats cleared some things up for you twr7cx.




Yes, but also not quite that simple. Not all VGT are equal.

If your want list is based on compared to a standard setup, then the Turbo Technics S208 will achieve that. It will significantly increase your response, eliminate lag, substantially increase low end power/torque and improve the mid. There will be minor improvements at the top end (mainly due to the improved impeller design by using a CNC machined unit rather than a cast) too - but you didn't list this as something you were chasing anyhow, so it's just a bonus.

It's also likely the VNT that's been around the longest so has a proven track record of reliable use.

I recommend using Jose from Td5 Inside to tune for it. Get rid of the turbo boost box, have a software MAF clamp applied rather and upgrade your MAP sensor to the Bosch Mercedes-Benz unit (with the tune adjusted to suit) if needed.

You'll also need to remove the waste gate actuator from service. I suggest plumbing the waste gate boost line directly into your inlet manifold/EGRdelete inlet to maximise response and boost levels.

They're available from a few places include Bell Auto Service and Alisport:
TD5 VGT Uprated Turbocharger Road and Off Road - Bell Auto Services, BAS Remaps, Custom Remaps York, Performance upgrades, Service & Repairs and much more. BAS Powering the Landrover tuning world! (https://bellautoservices.co.uk/store/td5-vgt-uprated-turbocharger-road-and-off-road/)
Td5 VGT uprated turbocharger - AlliSport (https://www.allisport.com/shop/performance-products/vgthybrid-turbos/land-rover-td5-vnt-turbo-direct-replacement-turbocharger/'doing_wp_cron=1604537113.7583680152893066406250)


Alternatively, the upcoming Alive Tuning VGT may suit your needs to but you'll need to wait for it's release, it'll likely be more expensive, but give better top end gains, and doesn't have a history of proven reliable use.

Storm Tuning also offer various VGT (see their website at < Storm Tuning – Bespoke Land Rover Tuning (https://stormtuning.com) > for details but I'm not aware of details.

Empire Tuning have adapted an off the shelf VGT using an adapter spacer to the Td5. A number of other big names had previously tested this turbo on the Td5 application and found it lacking. I'd avoid it.


You may also wish to consider upgrading your exhaust manifold when fitting the new turbocharger to maximise performance gains.


For clarification, when you say "power.. we all want that" - where do you want it though? I assume from your line above your looking at down low and mid range for it. But given you currently have a hybrid fitted you likely have improved mid and top end than standard at present - are you wanting to retain these along with your want list above? If so you'll need to be looking towards a hybrid VNT, something bigger, rather than the S208 which is close to standard turbo sizing.

[shack]

Just came across this and thought I would clear some things up.

For starters EVERY turbo available for the TD5 is "off the shelf" the difference being CRTurbos cut the flanges off and weld new ones in place. No different to the CNC Machined spacer, which actually allows for brilliant access to both oil filters which can be difficult with other VGTs/VNTs

Secondly just because Jose said "we tried that turbo back in 2001 and we didnt like it", means very little. Just means either he couldnt get it to run properly, wasnt worth it financially, wasnt requested or just didnt suit his style of mapping.

Ive had Empires VNT in my 110 for almost 2 years now and roughly 40k miles on road and off road. What I can say is the spool time is almost non existent, power delivery is fantastic very linear and refined however I suppose thats more down to Gareths skill as a tuner.

The turbo is watercooled and oil cooled. I run a STACK coolant gauge and have never seen it move above 104°c and that was my 2.8t 110, fully loaded with tools and 3 passengers doing 95+ up hill...

EGTs have never exceeded 550 even during the above, however when my 110 was mapped my TD5inside they frequently went above 950 barely pushing hard.

Smoke is minimal but power is there. Dynoed at 230bhp/530nm however this was on a standard airbox and a slightly split intercooler. Since been replaced. With torque very low in the rev range. Exceptional for running in sand and steep hills. So much so it actually squats when I put my foot down :D

Since install ive had zero problems with the turbo and zero problems with Empire as the tuner. I cant say the same for Td5inside whe my 110 was tuned by them.

Hope thats cleared some things up for you twr7cx.What's the turbo model?

[Kaaaiju]

What's the turbo model?

https://www.empiretuning.co.uk/product/vnt/

This is the one

[shack]

https://www.empiretuning.co.uk/product/vnt/

This is the oneThanks, I'll take a look.