P 300 engine - specs and feedback

[Joe77]

I cant seem to find much info about the P 300 engine. I am wondering how long it has been used in the same specification that is being used in the defender, and what issues people have had.

Does anyone know if it has the electric super charger as well as a turbo like the other engines? Is it worth paying the extra for a diesel, you can get a lot more for your money if you go for the P300 engine.

[TB]

Ingenium engine family - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenium_engine_family)

I don't think we've seen a lot of P300 in Australia. It does not have the electric supercharger or any electric drive assistance. It's just a 2.0L 4-cyl turbo petrol engine.

There are a lot of reports of the 2.0L "SD4" Ingenium diesel in the Discovery Sport and L462 Discovery "don't call it 5" suffering catastrophic failure after just a year or three. Something to do with insufficient oil pickup leading to extreme heat in specific parts of the cylinder wall and just blowing out under compression.

I'm crossing my fingers but also being very careful to stay on the good side with JLR Australia and the terms of the 5 year warranty so that if something bad happened to my D240 I would be taken care of. But I have also heard that the Defender carries the last and best iteration of the AJ200 (see the wikipedia article) engine and that the oil pickup problem has been resolved for this vehicle. We shall see. I haven't heard of a D240 or the 4-cyl D200 counterpart failing as yet.

Steven Firth (shedlock2000 on YouTube) initially had a P300 Defender and really liked it. When something went wrong with that vehicle his best option was to swap it for a P400 and he has *not* enjoyed that engine. It's been so bad that he's getting rid of it and buying a 2nd hand TDV6 Discovery (not) 5.

So far all reports of the six-cylinder diesel engines have been glowing, but there's not a lot of km on those yet and I think it's probably too early to draw conclusions. A boat load of those just arrived in Australia so give it a few days and we should get some fresh entertainment.

[zilch]

There are a lot of reports of the 2.0L "SD4" Ingenium diesel in the Discovery Sport and L462 Discovery "don't call it 5" suffering catastrophic failure after just a year or three. Something to do with insufficient oil pickup leading to extreme heat in specific parts of the cylinder wall and just blowing out under compression.

was some of this put down to engine layout and whether the DPF was close coupled or not and subsequent oil dilution ??
I thought on one of the FB group they stated the engine lay out on the new Defender should prevent this
problem on the D200/240's.. fingers crossed.. I do not think LR help themselves claiming 2 years and
a zillion K's between services, i had a full oil service done at 12.5K the other month on our P400, I for one
think LR are overly optimistic on service intervals..

[one_iota]

Optimistic LR views on service intervals have been forever thus. There is a fine print condition with regards to conditions: dust, temperature, etc. Time intervals rule when km don't. Oils are cheap, engines are expensive.

My 2008 defender does a 260km trip every fortnight now and not much in between. It used to be a daily drive with short journeys. The oil is noticeably cleaner and changed every 6 months.

[NWGG]

Ingenium engine family - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenium_engine_family)

I don't think we've seen a lot of P300 in Australia. It does not have the electric supercharger or any electric drive assistance. It's just a 2.0L 4-cyl turbo petrol engine.

There are a lot of reports of the 2.0L "SD4" Ingenium diesel in the Discovery Sport and L462 Discovery "don't call it 5" suffering catastrophic failure after just a year or three. Something to do with insufficient oil pickup leading to extreme heat in specific parts of the cylinder wall and just blowing out under compression.

I'm crossing my fingers but also being very careful to stay on the good side with JLR Australia and the terms of the 5 year warranty so that if something bad happened to my D240 I would be taken care of. But I have also heard that the Defender carries the last and best iteration of the AJ200 (see the wikipedia article) engine and that the oil pickup problem has been resolved for this vehicle. We shall see. I haven't heard of a D240 or the 4-cyl D200 counterpart failing as yet.

Steven Firth (shedlock2000 on YouTube) initially had a P300 Defender and really liked it. When something went wrong with that vehicle his best option was to swap it for a P400 and he has *not* enjoyed that engine. It's been so bad that he's getting rid of it and buying a 2nd hand TDV6 Discovery (not) 5.

So far all reports of the six-cylinder diesel engines have been glowing, but there's not a lot of km on those yet and I think it's probably too early to draw conclusions. A boat load of those just arrived in Australia so give it a few days and we should get some fresh entertainment.

Engin fail @ 45,000. New compo’d long motor is in transit. Dealer advised that the failure was caused by lack of oil cooling to cylinder 1 and that there have been a few of these with cylinders 1 and 4 most at risk. Also advised that the replacement engine has engineering changes that address the oiling issue.

Luke you I am keeping an eye on forums for performance disability of 6 cylinder ingenious engines.

[DiscoJeffster]

Engin fail @ 45,000. New compo’d long motor is in transit. Dealer advised that the failure was caused by lack of oil cooling to cylinder 1 and that there have been a few of these with cylinders 1 and 4 most at risk. Also advised that the replacement engine has engineering changes that address the oiling issue.

Luke you I am keeping an eye on forums for performance disability of 6 cylinder ingenious engines.

This just does my head in. There just shouldn’t be any failures

[mowog]

I was looking for a value build in a 110 and I considered the P300 for about half a second.

You can build a P400 S 110 which ends up as pretty good value. The next option the D300 can only be had in SE trim which drives the price up more. So a P400 S 110 with a few options was ordered

[Tombie]

From what I’m hearing, Ingenium = Trouble with a capital T.
Early failures on diesels, glazed bores and blow by, failing timing sets are all par for the course.

Early life failures sub 100k are common.