ACT Electricity Charges

[101RRS]

The ACT supposedly went fully "green" power a little while back - was advertised as being cheaper and fully green with no fossil fuel power generation involved in the power we use - yeah right [bighmmm]. No one has explained to me where our power comes from when it is dark and there is no wind. I under stand that the ACT does not have an arrangement with Snowy Hydro to switch on at night and that Snowy Hydro only kicks in when the eastern grid needs the extra power - any way that is a side issue.

We were told that as green power was now cheaper ACT power bills would go down but a little while back we were told power prices would have to go up 10%.

I get a letter today from our sole wholesale power provider, which is also one of the two retail providers.

It says that of 1 Jul power prices will rise by 11.95% in the ACT.

They say that:
1. Wholesale costs have decreased 4.72% [thumbsupbig]
2. Network costs have increased 2.7% [bigsad] but as expected.
3. The cost of ACT Government Green Schemes have increased 13.13% [bigsad] - wtf they were supposed to save money [biggrin]
4. The cost of National Green Schemes have decreased 0.1% [thumbsupbig] - so the Nat scheme goes down but the local one goes up[bigsad]
5. Retail and other costs have increased .94% [bigsad] but not unexpected.

End result is our our costs are going up 11.95% when going green was supposed to bring them down, particularly annoying as national green costs are slowly coming down.

So when it becomes your State's turn to go fully green be wary - it is not necessarily the turning green but the management of it.

Garry

[Homestar]

Easy one Garry - all the hot air from the Pollies drives a big turbine located behind the PM’s office…

[101RRS]

Remember Pollies are only here for on average 40 days a year - the rest of the time they are out in the land of the great unwashed - you should be getting free energy in you own area for 323 days a year [thumbsupbig].

[350RRC]

The ACT supposedly went fully "green" power a little while back - was advertised as being cheaper and fully green with no fossil fuel power generation involved in the power we use - yeah right [bighmmm]. No one has explained to me where our power comes from when it is dark and there is no wind. I under stand that the ACT does not have an arrangement with Snowy Hydro to switch on at night and that Snowy Hydro only kicks in when the eastern grid needs the extra power - any way that is a side issue.

We were told that as green power was now cheaper ACT power bills would go down but a little while back we were told power prices would have to go up 10%.

I get a letter today from our sole wholesale power provider, which is also one of the two retail providers.

It says that of 1 Jul power prices will rise by 11.95% in the ACT.

They say that:
1. Wholesale costs have decreased 4.72% [thumbsupbig]
2. Network costs have increased 2.7% [bigsad] but as expected.
3. The cost of ACT Government Green Schemes have increased 13.13% [bigsad] - wtf they were supposed to save money [biggrin]
4. The cost of National Green Schemes have decreased 0.1% [thumbsupbig] - so the Nat scheme goes down but the local one goes up[bigsad]
5. Retail and other costs have increased .94% [bigsad] but not unexpected.

End result is our our costs are going up 11.95% when going green was supposed to bring them down, particularly annoying as national green costs are slowly coming down.

So when it becomes your State's turn to go fully green be wary - it is not necessarily the turning green but the management of it.

Garry

Hi Garry,

You know where to find the answer.......... 3.

Whoever is 'running' that scheme is accountable. Contracted out perchance? Still accountable.

I used to do 'forensic' cost recovery stuff for a sustainable non-trawl fishing sector and I found it quite easy to identify the 'anomalies' and call to account increased costs that had no explanation.

cheers, DL

[DiscoMick]

Have you compared electricity companies in the ACT to see who offers the best deal? Could be interesting.

Electricity Comparison | finder.com.au (https://www.finder.com.au/electricity-comparison?futm_medium=cpc&futm_source=google&futm_campaign=7374282222~80936972135&futm_term=%2Belectricity~b~g~kwd-7600591534&futm_content=~~Cj0KCQjw2tCGBhCLARIsABJGmZ4BSCEQMya eRppvWxLxHN6NIiNmKGnAL07UFa7u9D6lm5zFc46VyqAaAueGE ALw_wcB&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2tCGBhCLARIsABJGmZ4BSCEQMyaeRppvWxLx HN6NIiNmKGnAL07UFa7u9D6lm5zFc46VyqAaAueGEALw_wcB)
The ACT supposedly went fully "green" power a little while back - was advertised as being cheaper and fully green with no fossil fuel power generation involved in the power we use - yeah right [bighmmm]. No one has explained to me where our power comes from when it is dark and there is no wind. I under stand that the ACT does not have an arrangement with Snowy Hydro to switch on at night and that Snowy Hydro only kicks in when the eastern grid needs the extra power - any way that is a side issue.

We were told that as green power was now cheaper ACT power bills would go down but a little while back we were told power prices would have to go up 10%.

I get a letter today from our sole wholesale power provider, which is also one of the two retail providers.

It says that of 1 Jul power prices will rise by 11.95% in the ACT.

They say that:
1. Wholesale costs have decreased 4.72% [thumbsupbig]
2. Network costs have increased 2.7% [bigsad] but as expected.
3. The cost of ACT Government Green Schemes have increased 13.13% [bigsad] - wtf they were supposed to save money [biggrin]
4. The cost of National Green Schemes have decreased 0.1% [thumbsupbig] - so the Nat scheme goes down but the local one goes up[bigsad]
5. Retail and other costs have increased .94% [bigsad] but not unexpected.

End result is our our costs are going up 11.95% when going green was supposed to bring them down, particularly annoying as national green costs are slowly coming down.

So when it becomes your State's turn to go fully green be wary - it is not necessarily the turning green but the management of it.

Garry

[101RRS]

Hi Garry,

You know where to find the answer.......... 3.



Yes I know where to find the answer but it then becomes political which we cannot discuss here.

Some facts though.

The ACT Government is a Labor Government in Coalition with the Greens with at least one Greens member in the Cabinet and he is the Attorney General - not a political statement but a factual statement - you can google it.

[101RRS]

Have you compared electricity companies in the ACT to see who offers the best deal? Could be interesting.

Electricity Comparison | finder.com.au (https://www.finder.com.au/electricity-comparison?futm_medium=cpc&futm_source=google&futm_campaign=7374282222~80936972135&futm_term=%2Belectricity~b~g~kwd-7600591534&futm_content=~~Cj0KCQjw2tCGBhCLARIsABJGmZ4BSCEQMya eRppvWxLxHN6NIiNmKGnAL07UFa7u9D6lm5zFc46VyqAaAueGE ALw_wcB&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2tCGBhCLARIsABJGmZ4BSCEQMyaeRppvWxLx HN6NIiNmKGnAL07UFa7u9D6lm5zFc46VyqAaAueGEALw_wcB)

We are talking wholesale here and there is only one provider. The result is that 5 or so retailers get their energy from the one provider so retail prices while different will be driven by the 11.95% increase in the wholesale price.

The point of the thread is to highlight that the change to 100% green energy was sold to the community on the basis of price reductions and the opposite has occurred, so if your State decides to change to 100% green power be very wary of the follow on price increase, despite what is being said.

[disco gazza]

Our electric supplier down here in Tassie(aurora) has said our bills will be around 7.11% cheaper from July 1 this year.[biggrin]


Aurora welcomes Regulator’s decision on lower electricity prices | Aurora Energy (https://www.auroraenergy.com.au/blogs/media/aurora-welcomes-regulators-decision-lower-electricity-prices-0)

[DiscoMick]

We are talking wholesale here and there is only one provider. The result is that 5 or so retailers get their energy from the one provider so retail prices while different will be driven by the 11.95% increase in the wholesale price.

The point of the thread is to highlight that the change to 100% green energy was sold to the community on the basis of price reductions and the opposite has occurred, so if your State decides to change to 100% green power be very wary of the follow on price increase, despite what is being said.Yes I realise there is only one wholesaler, but a quick look suggested resulting retail prices vary.

[AK83]

I suppose the other way to look at it is:

if they didn't go green, and maintained the staus quo with non green power generation, what would have the increase in prices have been by way of comparions to what they turned out to be.

In the modern world, price increases are a given .... you can't have wage growth without price increases .. you can't have share price rises without increases in profit growth .. so prices increase on top of that.

11.95% increase from one year to the next sounds like a case for the ACCC to get involved.
I thought there was regulation on utility price increases.

[101RRS]

I thought there was regulation on utility price increases.

Yes there is and they have signed off on it.

[PhilipA]

if they didn't go green, and maintained the staus quo with non green power generation, what would have the increase in prices have been by way of comparions to what they turned out to be.

Origin just sent me a letter that my electricity prices were going DOWN. I almost fell off my chair.
No green or anything, so for non green power it looks like down is the trend.
Regards PhilipA

[350RRC]

Yes there is and they have signed off on it.

And the information re: #3's increase and approval by the overseer would be available. Have a look.

DL