2012 ford territory 2.7TDCi

[incisor]

One followed me home a week or so ago

Not a bad bit of kit imho

Very comfortable

Around town the v6 delivers 36.74mpg

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[Tins]

One followed me home a week or so ago

Not a bad bit of kit imho

Very comfortable

Around town the v6 delivers 36.74mpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211118/5c08f295cb000fb28f8fab3dc744be04.jpg

Damn good value IMO.

[gromit]

We have two on the 'fleet', I need to replace one next year and can't find anything similar in performance, tow capacity etc.
Hers is at about 240,000 mine is at 150,000 so coming up for a cambelt next service. Will also need rear diff bushes and I know hers needs rear control blades.

We started with a Petrol Terri, SWMBO was getting 18litres/100 on the school run ! Down to around 10litres/100 with the diesel.

Lots of rubber bushes to regularly replace and when the prop shaft fails, and it will, a new one from Ford is $2,300 !
Cost $1,100 for a reco but there was a core charge in that price so not too bad.

AWD diesel 2.7 tonnes tow capacity but the 2WD is only 2.3 tonnes. I may have towed well above the 2WD capacity without issue.

If you need any further intel let me know......


Colin

[350RRC]

We have two on the 'fleet', I need to replace one next year and can't find anything similar in performance, tow capacity etc.
Hers is at about 240,000 mine is at 150,000 so coming up for a cambelt next service. Will also need rear diff bushes and I know hers needs rear control blades.

We started with a Petrol Terri, SWMBO was getting 18litres/100 on the school run ! Down to around 10litres/100 with the diesel.

Lots of rubber bushes to regularly replace and when the prop shaft fails, and it will, a new one from Ford is $2,300 !
Cost $1,100 for a reco but there was a core charge in that price so not too bad.

AWD diesel 2.7 tonnes tow capacity but the 2WD is only 2.3 tonnes. I may have towed well above the 2WD capacity without issue.

If you need any further intel let me know......


Colin

People over the road from me had the cam belt fail at 110 thou. Motor all sad.

Out of warranty and no help from the maker, even though the wife used to work for them.

Not sure what they've done with the car.

[gromit]

People over the road from me had the cam belt fail at 110 thou. Motor all sad.

Out of warranty and no help from the maker, even though the wife used to work for them.

Not sure what they've done with the car.

Not due till 165K and never saw any reports of cambelt failure when I was on the Ford Forums.
I did have problems due to the HP fuel pump belt not being fitted properly causing issues. Both issues fixed well outside warranty at no cost to me (apart from some inconvenience).

Just noticed that you mentioned your neighbour having the belt fail in the thread below.

TDV6 HP fuel pump pulley problem (not Land Rover) (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/262119-tdv6-hp-fuel-pump-pulley-problem-not-land-rover.html)


Colin

[350RRC]

Not due till 165K and never saw any reports of cambelt failure when I was on the Ford Forums.
I did have problems due to the HP fuel pump belt not being fitted properly causing issues. Both issues fixed well outside warranty at no cost to me (apart from some inconvenience).

Just noticed that you mentioned your neighbour having the belt fail in the thread below.

TDV6 HP fuel pump pulley problem (not Land Rover) (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/262119-tdv6-hp-fuel-pump-pulley-problem-not-land-rover.html)


Colin

Yes, I'll have to catch up with them and find out the state of play............. they are somewhat alternative.

cheers, DL

[loanrangie]

Extremely rare for a belt to fail even well past the scheduled replacement date, also rare for the tensioner mount to fail ( on earlier 2.7's) before a belt change yet mine did.

[gromit]

I guess with a lot of these 'one-off' problems it begs the question 'how has the vehicle been treated ?"

If buying secondhand you can't know how it's been driven buy previous owner(s).

Mine have been purchased new. First was ordered before the diesel was released then I had a delivery delay because of 'body control module problems'. Second was a runout model as production stopped.
There have been a few warranty issues but all fixed then it's a regular cycle of replacing rubber bushes.


Colin

[Tombie]

It’s the same engine as we all know, the LR arduous schedule has belts at 100k

Arduous is Andy combination or assortment of:
lots of short runs
hot temps
dusty environments.
Lots of towing

My belts were done at 98,000km and will be done again next year.

[gromit]

It’s the same engine as we all know, the LR arduous schedule has belts at 100k

Arduous is Andy combination or assortment of:
lots of short runs
hot temps
dusty environments.
Lots of towing

My belts were done at 98,000km and will be done again next year.

On SWMBO's car 165,000, mine will also be done at 165,000. Ford recommend 165,000 or 10 years from memory.
Do a fair bit of towing, usually Land Rovers on trailers !

Next comes the discussion about gearbox oil change intervals....
Hers was done at 210,000km mine hasn't been done yet. Constantly told ( by people on forums) it should be changed at 80,000 otherwise it will fail ......

With our first Terri (petrol, ZF box) I did a 1/2 change with Nulon oil at about 200,000. I was told on the Ford forum that the box would fail and need to be rebuilt..... carried on for another 20,000Km till we sold it without issue. I think Nulon did remove the oil from the market but it claimed to be Lifeguard 6 compatible.
Reason for the 1/2 change was a split in the plastic sump.

Service intervals.......I've been sticking with 15,000km without issue. Dealer until it passes to SWMBO then the independant my son works for.



Colin

[DiscoDB]

It’s the same engine as we all know, the LR arduous schedule has belts at 100k

Arduous is Andy combination or assortment of:
lots of short runs
hot temps
dusty environments.
Lots of towing

My belts were done at 98,000km and will be done again next year.

What I did not realise is the timing belt cover has a large inspection hole at the bottom (at least mine does). Dusty conditions, or lots of water crossings and the timing belt would be getting a hard life.

[incisor]

What I did not realise is the timing belt cover has a large inspection hole at the bottom (at least mine does). Dusty conditions, or lots of water crossings and the timing belt would be getting a hard life.

interesting...

[incisor]

when i first got the vehicle i dropped the oil and filter even though it wasn't due and filled it with Penrite HPR 5 5w-40 as that is what i determined i would prefer to run in it knowing the tdv6's history in AU and i fitted a mann oil filter.

I generally run CEM FTC Decarbonizer (https://costeffective.com.au/product/ftc-decarbonizer/) in the fuel of my diesel engines and the territory will be no exception as they have known egr issues, and the FTC seems to sort that out nicely going by past experience.

Added the double dose with the first two fills and am back onto the standard dose now and the engine definitely runs a tad sweeter than it did when i picked it up

no difference in economy and it is still averaging in the late 7s / 100k

very impressed with the thing

[gromit]

I generally run CEM FTC Decarbonizer (https://costeffective.com.au/product/ftc-decarbonizer/) in the fuel of my diesel engines and the territory will be no exception as they have known egr issues, and the FTC seems to sort that out nicely going by past experience.



I've read about the egr issues and wonder if in some way it's down to driving style. We've had no problems so far (touch wood) with either vehicle.

I run them on business for 5 years where it gets long runs 5 days per week, then my wife gets it and it ends up on the school run so lots of short trips.

The fact that there isn't a particulate filter helps with the economy but you'll find that after a long fast run you'll enter a slower area, pull away from a junction at normal speed and leave a 'James Bond' smoke screen.

I'm dreading the next vehicle which will either have a particulate filter or AdBlue.


Colin

[incisor]

I've read about the egr issues and wonder if in some way it's down to driving style. We've had no problems so far (touch wood) with either vehicle.

yeah, diesels with short runs and long idle periods tend to glaze the bore, build up carbon in all the nooks and crannys and the ftc stops that happening without having to pull heavy loads on a regular basis to burn it off

you don't need the stuff if you do regular heavy loads in my experience

[incisor]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51711773896_8e0318a903_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mMAmLy)
more full frontal (https://flic.kr/p/2mMAmLy) by Dave Blears (https://www.flickr.com/photos/niknodave/), on Flickr

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inside looking out (https://flic.kr/p/2mMESww) by Dave Blears (https://www.flickr.com/photos/niknodave/), on Flickr

[spudfan]

What I did not realise is the timing belt cover has a large inspection hole at the bottom (at least mine does). Dusty conditions, or lots of water crossings and the timing belt would be getting a hard life.

You would think a simple fix would be a screw in bung.

[gromit]

Just replaced a front wheel bearing on mine, I had one done under warranty and now at 153,000km.
The other two Territories went to over 200,000 without issue, maybe cost cutting on the runout model ?

Easy fix, you typically buy the hub c/w bearing. You do need a 36mm socket and a big breaker bar though.

My young bloke got the hub for me at trade for $75. On Ebay you can get two, delivered, for about $45 ! I wonder how long they would last ?


Colin

[loanrangie]

You would think a simple fix would be a screw in bung.

Yes but i guess if you got a an oil leak the cover could potentially fill with oil until the bottom pulley is covered with oil, then the belt slips and its good night Irene for the motor.

[DiscoDB]

Yes but i guess if you got a an oil leak the cover could potentially fill with oil until the bottom pulley is covered with oil, then the belt slips and its good night Irene for the motor.

Probably just needs a simple one way valve - like on the air filter.

[Tombie]

Probably just needs a simple one way valve - like on the air filter.

Nah

Better just left open to atmosphere.
Your serpentine belt is [emoji2]

[incisor]

bit of a price comparison for bits from ford and lr

compiled last week by some one on facebook


Here is a recent list I made that gives you the list pricing of both ford & JLR for a range of common problem parts.

Territory 2.7 Diesel
Parts Crossovers.

Water Outlet
Ford - 4H2Z8592A - $900.98
Jlr - LR073372 - $107.77

Water Pump
Ford - R84Q8501BF - $513.34
Jlr - LR009324 - $249.82

Crank Sensor
Ford - R84Q6C315AF - $679.21
JLR - LR009793 - $340.22

Rear Main
Ford - CK5Z6K301AA - $328.24
JLR - LR036542 - $121.11

Cam Sensor
Ford - R84Q12K073AF - $487.04
JLR - LR019287 - $581.23

Turbo Manifold Crossover
Ford - 4H2Q6P647BJ - $2798.97
JLR - 1357035 - $1452.74

Timing Belt Kit
Ford - H27Q6K288AA - $725.24
Jlr - LR016655 - $351.84

EGR COMPONENTS
Ford LH Egr Valve - H27Q9D475CF - $1443.21
Jlr LH Egr Valve - LR018323 - $569.59

Ford RH Egr Valve - H27Q9D475DE - $1443.21
JLR RH Egr Valve - LR018324 - $569.59

Ford LH Egr Cooler - H27Q9F464EA - $1923.09
JLR LH Egr Cooler - LR004535 - $731.76

Ford RH Egr Cooler - H27Q9F464FA - $1552.92
JLR RH Egr Cooler - LR004536 - $731.76

Ford Egr to Cooler Gasket - H27Q9D468CA - $105.61
JLR Egr to Cooler Gasket - LR004532 - $12.69

Ford Cooler To Pipe Gasket - R84Q9M443AB - $105.60
JLR Cooler to Pipe Gasket - 1331270 - $17.05

Turbo
Ford- 4H2Z6K682DC - $3343.82
Jlr - LR021042 - $4620.73

Oil Filter Housing
Ford - R84Q6C711DB - $868.95
JLR - LR009570 - $1221.51

Fuel Return Line
Ford - H27Q9K022DA - $1140.75
JLR - 1386505 - $330.68

Injector
Ford - 7H2Q9K546CB - $1236.48
JLR - LR006496 - $998.49

Ford LH Fuel Rail - H27Q9D280CE - $1696.83
JLR LH Fuel Rail - LR020020 - $656.70

Ford RH Fuel Rail - H27Q9D280DE - $1827.97
JLR RH Fuel Rail - LR020021 - $607.99

Injection Pump
Ford - H27Q9B395CH - $2391.77
JLR - LR017367 - $3752.57

Throttle Plate
Ford - 4S7Z9L444A - $3102.24
JLR - LR078820 - $953.30

[Tombie]

Helps clarify the myth on costs to some extent.

[shack]

It also proves that on many items, pricing is simply a matter of what the market will bear.

[gavinwibrow]

bit of a price comparison for bits from ford and lr

compiled last week by some one on facebook



Unbelievable?

[incisor]

Unbelievable?

the guy has a good reputation so i wouldn't be at all surprised to find it accurate

i know the timing kit prices are pretty spot on what he has quoted

[incisor]

finally got my scan tool for the territory @ a grand cost of just under $150 including the software for my phone etc


Adapter: OBDLink MX+r2.0 STN2255 v5.6.15 (ELM327 v1.4b)
Min.delay: 14 ms (Good)

Model: Ford Territory
Engine: Direct Injection - Turbo
Capacity: 2.7L
Year: 2012
Month: 05
Generation: 2011 MY
Fuel type: Diesel



TCM - Transmission Control Module
Bus: HSCAN
Part number: AR79-12B565-AD
Calibration level: AR79-12B565-AD (latest known: AR79-12B565-AF)
Strategy : AR79-14C337-AD

PCM - Powertrain Control Module
Bus: HSCAN
Part number: AR79-12A650-AK
Calibration level: R79-12A650-AK
Strategy : AR79-14C204-AH
Calibration: AR79-12K532-AJ
Hardware type: AR7Q-12B684-AA
Total Distance: 114528.0 km

OBDII - On Board Diagnostic II
Bus: HSCAN

ABS - Antilock braking system
Bus: HSCAN
Part number: AR29-2C405-AD
Calibration level: AR29-2C405-AD (latest known: AR29-2C405-AE)
Strategy : AR29-14C036-AD
Calibration: AR29-14C037-AC



RCM - Restraint Control Module
Bus: HSCAN
Part number: AR79-14B321-LD
Calibration level: AR79-14B321-LD (latest known: AR79-14B321-LG)
Strategy : BC3T-14C028-BA
Calibration: AR79-14C098-AC

PSCM - Power Steering Control Module
Bus: HSCAN
Part number: AR79-3F964-AD
Calibration level: AR79-3F964-AD
Strategy : AR79-14D003-AA
Calibration: AR79-14D004-AD

HIM - HVAC Integrated Module
Bus: HSCAN
Part number: AR29-19C933-AA
Software version: v3 2011-06-17

IPC - Instrument Panel Control Module
Bus: MSCAN
Part number: AR79-10849-BE
Calibration level: AR79-10849-BE (latest known: AR79-10849-BH)
Strategy : AR79-14C026-AH
Odometer: 114528.0 km

FDIM - Front Display Interface Module
Bus: MSCAN
Part number: AR79-18A802-DA
Strategy : AR79-14D017-AH
Software version: 2011-10-13

PAM - Parking Aid Module
Bus: MSCAN
Part number: 8R29-15K866-AA
Software version: v5 2007-04-10

ACM - Audio Control Module
Bus: MSCAN
Part number: AR79-18C939-AB
Strategy : AR79-14D350-AB
Calibration: AR79-14D351-AB
Software version: 2011-01-14

BEM - Body Electronic Module
Bus: MSCAN
Part number: AR79-14A073-AA
Software version: v4 2011-06-02

[DiscoDB]

Big fan of the OBDLink MX+ adapter and the software they provide.