BAS egr blank via gap tool

[Bulletman]

Gday All

Starting to get sick of cleaning the inlet side of my tdv6 and see that BAS offer the egr blank via gap tool.. so being very novice user of the gap tool and computer challenged am I looking for a world of pain by trying to do this myself.

I would like an engine remap as well but that puts a fear in me that I will do something stupid and kill the ecu if that’s possible.

Question is - I’m sure there are some on here that have done this so was it as daunting as I’m making it out to be. Is there any tips that you found along the way that make the process easier .

Thanks and cheers Bulletman

[eddy]

A few years ago had a remap on my SDV6 and egr disconnect by Mark at Autocode in Welshpool.No problems after >50K.
Check them out ABOUT US | Auto Code | Vehicle Diagnostic Faults | ECU Remaps | (https://www.autocode.com.au/about/)

[BradC]

Gday All

Starting to get sick of cleaning the inlet side of my tdv6 and see that BAS offer the egr blank via gap tool.. so being very novice user of the gap tool and computer challenged am I looking for a world of pain by trying to do this myself.

I would like an engine remap as well but that puts a fear in me that I will do something stupid and kill the ecu if that’s possible.

Question is - I’m sure there are some on here that have done this so was it as daunting as I’m making it out to be. Is there any tips that you found along the way that make the process easier .

Thanks and cheers Bulletman

Piece of ****. Buy the remap from the BAS website. They'll send you instructions.
Basically, send them the ECU list from the GAP. If (like mine) there's an unusual firmware in the ECU they'll send you instructions to make a backup of it and send it over. They'll patch it and upload it to GAP.
You "upgrade" the firmware in your GAP tool using the updater PC app (or Mac in my case) to the version they tell you to, and use it to patch the ECU.
You then re-upgrade the firmware in the GAP back to the bog standard and you're on your way.

It sounds more complicated than it is, and in my case (DPF and EGR delete) went off without a hitch. Because I have a manual, it has created an unintended consequence of a weird throttle "flare" on every gear change that makes it sound like I can't drive a manual and an odd "sticky throttle at idle" phenomenon that I've gotten used to. On yours there should be no issues.

[Bulletman]

Piece of ****. Buy the remap from the BAS website. They'll send you instructions.
Basically, send them the ECU list from the GAP. If (like mine) there's an unusual firmware in the ECU they'll send you instructions to make a backup of it and send it over. They'll patch it and upload it to GAP.
You "upgrade" the firmware in your GAP tool using the updater PC app (or Mac in my case) to the version they tell you to, and use it to patch the ECU.
You then re-upgrade the firmware in the GAP back to the bog standard and you're on your way.

It sounds more complicated than it is, and in my case (DPF and EGR delete) went off without a hitch. Because I have a manual, it has created an unintended consequence of a weird throttle "flare" on every gear change that makes it sound like I can't drive a manual and an odd "sticky throttle at idle" phenomenon that I've gotten used to. On yours there should be no issues.

Cheers Brad .. yep clear as dirty water, only slightly clearer than mud but getting better. I'm still struggling with the email the gap page to BAS part.. spend some more time tonight plugged in to the car and have a play and see off the water starts to clear up.

Cheers Bulletman

[Macadamia]

when I spoke with BAS systems a couple of years ago they didn't have an update for the 3L only for the 2.7L. maybe things have changed for them? I'd be interested to know how you go as I just recently had my 3L tuned/remapped (engine and transmission) and EGRs programmed out here in Melbourne but it definitely was not cheap!


Hi

The 3.0l is not currently tuneable with remap or egr or in a nut shell non standard files by OBD with the iid tool.
Some of the later models we are going to add in early 2021 as they are going to be obd programable.

To check if yours is that later type you can send me the ecu info from the iid tool app to this email
bellautos@hotmail.com

Regards Pete Bell
Bas Corporation Ltd (BAS Remaps)
www.bellautoservices.co.uk (http://www.bellautoservices.co.uk)
Tel: +44 1133 280285

[PerthDisco]

when I spoke with BAS systems a couple of years ago they didn't have an update for the 3L only for the 2.7L. maybe things have changed for them? I'd be interested to know how you go as I just recently had my 3L tuned/remapped (engine and transmission) and EGRs programmed out here in Melbourne but it definitely was not cheap!

Can’t flash ECU through OBD is problem hence need some sort of smoke and mirrors trick to fool it on 3.0.

Hardest bit of BAS bit is getting the butterfly off the spindle.

Pete literally gives you a how to and you call him if in doubt. I’ll send the email chain if you PM me.

Pete sells you shims for the EGR tubes. I’ve since put the blanking kit in and deleted the tubes which makes any job to remove the Y inlet 10x faster. If yearly MOTs come in I can put it back.

[BradC]

Cheers Brad .. yep clear as dirty water, only slightly clearer than mud but getting better. I'm still struggling with the email the gap page to BAS part.. spend some more time tonight plugged in to the car and have a play and see off the water starts to clear up.

Cheers Bulletman

That's an easy one. On whatever device you use to access the GAP tool, go to the ECU list page and then there's an option to E-mail it. It generates a PDF of the details and sends it wherever you tell it to.
I get it to E-mail me by default and I forwarded that on to BAS.

I keep a record of my fault lists the same way. Always E-mail them to myself before I clear them.

[Bulletman]

That's an easy one. On whatever device you use to access the GAP tool, go to the ECU list page and then there's an option to E-mail it. It generates a PDF of the details and sends it wherever you tell it to.
I get it to E-mail me by default and I forwarded that on to BAS.

I keep a record of my fault lists the same way. Always E-mail them to myself before I clear them.

Thanks Brad , Ok that's something I think I can achieve , will try your suggestion tonight .
Cheers Bulletman

[RichardK]

X2 with BradC and Bulletman, I bought a GapIID BT from BAS and followed the procedure as set out by Pete, he included the EGR delete and the towing tune that he had done for my discarded faultmate, all done in a couple of days after receipt of the GAP.
A great investment.
D3 runs very well now 400K+.

Cheers
RichardK

[twr7cx]

It works well. But remember you need both sides - you need the physical blanking plates and to instal them and the software modification from BAS. Both our two MY12 D4 TDV6's have been running a BAS tune and EGR delete for 2 and 3 years respectively. Nil issues.

[loanrangie]

It works well. But remember you need both sides - you need the physical blanking plates and to instal them and the software modification from BAS. Both our two MY12 D4 TDV6's have been running a BAS tune and EGR delete for 2 and 3 years respectively. Nil issues.

Or if your EGR's are still functioning you can just fit the plates like i did, will do a remap at some stage.

[Bulletman]

Or if your EGR's are still functioning you can just fit the plates like i did, will do a remap at some stage.
I tried this and the car would just randomly fault . Sometimes would do it 5 times within a short distance and sometimes would go a whole day with nil faults. I can't remember the code as it was years ago but this was with the pipes blanked, butterfly removed and egrs functional.
Cheers Bulletman

[twr7cx]

Or if your EGR's are still functioning you can just fit the plates like i did, will do a remap at some stage.

Depends on the vehicle. That is not true for the D4's, but might be so for earlier D3's...

[Pedro_The_Swift]

A few years ago had a remap on my SDV6 and egr disconnect by Mark at Autocode in Welshpool.No problems after >50K.
Check them out ABOUT US | Auto Code | Vehicle Diagnostic Faults | ECU Remaps | (https://www.autocode.com.au/about/)

Wow, theres a whole page of car manufacturers symbols to click on, and they all work except---- yep. Land Rover.[bigrolf]

[loanrangie]

Depends on the vehicle. That is not true for the D4's, but might be so for earlier D3's...

Correct but op has a D3.... , works on my EURO4 D3.

[Falcon500]

Just out of curiosity - what build date is your vehicle? Mine is also a MY08 Euro4 (built Nov 2007) so wondering if i could get away without a tune.


Correct but op has a D3.... , works on my EURO4 D3.

[loanrangie]

Just out of curiosity - what build date is your vehicle? Mine is also a MY08 Euro4 (built Nov 2007) so wondering if i could get away without a tune.

May 07, i do get the occasional EGR fault in GAP but doesn't affect the running and doesn't put the engine fault light on.
I will get a remap once i get some other big items out of the way.

[BradC]

May 07

Yowza! an MY08 built in the first half of the previous year? You must have one of the first off the line. What's your serial number?

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Ours is a late 07 build MY08 serial 61674 and it got extremely unhappy blanking the EGRs without the patch.

[PerthDisco]

Mine Sep 07 build and needs patch to blank EGRs.

[loanrangie]

Mine Sep 07 build and needs patch to blank EGRs.

My egr valves are still working (po replaced them) and everything is still in place apart from the intake butterfly and just plates fitted between the valves and coolers.

[Bulletman]

May 07, i do get the occasional EGR fault in GAP but doesn't affect the running and doesn't put the engine fault light on.
I will get a remap once i get some other big items out of the way.
When I tried it mine faulted to limp mode every time it faulted. There was no logic to when it faulted , . 01/08 build date

Cheers Bulletman

[DiscoDB]

Just out of curiosity - what build date is your vehicle? Mine is also a MY08 Euro4 (built Nov 2007) so wondering if i could get away without a tune.

I think you will find the programming change preventing the simple blanking of the EGRs came in around August 2007 in line with when the MY08 was officially released.

[loanrangie]

I think you will find the programming change preventing the simple blanking of the EGRs came in around August 2007 in line with when the MY08 was officially released.

Then how do you explain my May built MY08 Euro4 with 8A VIN ? Besides, if your egrs are faulty blanked or not it will fault, if they are working and blanked they wont.

[BradC]

Then how do you explain my May built MY08 Euro4 with 8A VIN ? Besides, if your egrs are faulty blanked or not it will fault, if they are working and blanked they wont.

Nobody can explain any of it with your vehicle, but pretty much everyone with an 8A vin besides you gets errors when they blank the EGRs without a patch. The traditional model year runs August to July, so your's being a May build is very much an outlier. That may explain why you appear to be running different software to the rest of us.

[BradC]

I think you will find the programming change preventing the simple blanking of the EGRs came in around August 2007 in line with when the MY08 was officially released.

The MY08 was the first to have a DPF option, and with the DPF the EGRs are required to function as part of the burnoff process. It make sense they put extra checks on the EGRs from that point on.

[twr7cx]

Yowza! an MY08 built in the first half of the previous year? You must have one of the first off the line. What's your serial number?

According to the build configurations, MY08 was released in August 2007.



Then how do you explain my May built MY08 Euro4 with 8A VIN ? Besides, if your egrs are faulty blanked or not it will fault, if they are working and blanked they wont.

When you say May built, do you mean May of 2007 year? If so, I explain it simply that you have a MY07 spec vehicle as the MY08 was not released until August 2007. This conclusion is logical with the fact that you have not had any issues with EGR blanked off per MY07 and earlier models and contrary to the experience of all other MY08 onwards vehicles. Your VIN may just be misleading here and could be an anomaly - given that May 2007 is so early in the 2007 year it would be strange for the next years build spec model to already be in production.

[Falcon500]

Thanks for the replies Loanrangie and DiscoDB. Safe to say I will probably need the remap, so will plan for that when the time comes 👍.

[DiscoDB]

Then how do you explain my May built MY08 Euro4 with 8A VIN ? Besides, if your egrs are faulty blanked or not it will fault, if they are working and blanked they wont.

Sounds like you have a pre-release very early build of the MY08 and so probably does not have all the software updates that came with the MY08 from August 2007 on.

The programming change also cross checks other readings, such as the air flow rates with the MAF etc, and is specifically looking to see that the EGR valves are working as expected. In other words it is checking to see if the EGR has been blanked.

No one knows exactly when the software change was made, but from all reports the change happened around mid-2008 in line with when the MY08 was officially released.

So you are lucky to have a very early MY08 which can be blanked with no programming change needed. [emoji106]

[haydent]

I just did BAS egr patch (2010 L320) very fast turn around and worth it, just to not hear the squeaking every time i turn the car off as it exercises the egr valves. no need to blank if valves where working and no errors before patch. even if you could just blank and not get errors from blanking, sooner or later the valves will stick/fail and you will get errors.

[loanrangie]

I just did BAS egr patch (2010 L320) very fast turn around and worth it, just to not hear the squeaking every time i turn the car off as it exercises the egr valves. no need to blank if valves where working and no errors before patch. even if you could just blank and not get errors from blanking, sooner or later the valves will stick/fail and you will get errors.

Less likely to fail if they aren't getting gummed up with soot.:BigThumb:

[wizzle10]

I just did BAS egr patch (2010 L320) very fast turn around and worth it, just to not hear the squeaking every time i turn the car off as it exercises the egr valves. no need to blank if valves where working and no errors before patch. even if you could just blank and not get errors from blanking, sooner or later the valves will stick/fail and you will get errors.


How long was the turnaround? I ordered yesterday

And which email address did you send the gap info to? was it just to the email that confirmed the order?

[haydent]

How long was the turnaround? I ordered yesterday

And which email address did you send the gap info to? was it just to the email that confirmed the order?

I ordered on a monday and received human response same day about 1 hour later requesting ecu info from tool email bellautos@(common email provider) not the autoreply from the shop.

Being weekend you might need to wait till monday utc