Winching. Will this work?

[123rover50]

I am busy fitting a remote control to the mid mount hydraulic winch on my camper.
Thinking of this idea to enable me to pull from the front but cant quite envisage what the strop cable will do when winching in.
The winch cable will run through the 3 blocks to get around the body , then I wanted a strop with a snatch block to direct the pull forward.
Should the strop be shorter or longer?
Or will it under the influence of the cable pulling in just get pulled in also until it jams against the front LH corner block.
Nothing is new so this has probably been done before but I cant try it untill I get my truck back together.
Any ideas?
Keith183531

[W&KO]

As the snatch is floating it’s going mover toward the corner……

You could probably simulate using a piece of rope.

What vehicle are you fitting the mid mount winch to??

I like the way Eric did his on THE109….1:1 pull backwards and 2:1 forwards, Cable running down the inside of chassis.

[W&KO]

Oh me thinks a shorter strop will get the cable closer to centre of vehicle

[johnp38]

Oh me thinks a shorter strop will get the cable closer to centre of vehicle

Yep, a nice short strop to only reach the centreline. Any reason you can't put another block in the middle to centre the line ?

[Tins]

Not sure I'm seeing this. IMO in both those diagrams the strop will do precisely nothing. Diag A will get closer to the desired result, but it's still too long. I'd be inclined to have a fourth block at the centre at the front. The military MK3 trucks had a central winch, the cable was routed under the vehicle rather than around it. Not sure you could do that on a 101FC.

[123rover50]

Yes my thoughts are along the same lines but I thought the strop my negate the need for top and bottom rollers.
I can fit another block on the centre line but just trying to save another 90 degree angle.
I might see if I can fit a bridle underneath with the snatch in the centre and under the bull bar. Same thing as a centre block but wont need rollers as the bridle can move vertically to allow for vertical pull angle. The bridle would be shackled to the front end of the chassis rails. That should work eh?
This is for my old 2A Fc camper.
Keith

[POD]

I'm not sure it's necessary to get the line pull close to the centreline of the vehicle. With the Inter army trucks, the cable was brought from back to front down the chassis rail and a fairlead at the front of the chassis rail.

[Tins]

With the Inter army trucks, the cable was brought from back to front down the chassis rail and a fairlead at the front of the chassis rail.

I remember it well...

[123rover50]

I'm not sure it's necessary to get the line pull close to the centreline of the vehicle. With the Inter army trucks, the cable was brought from back to front down the chassis rail and a fairlead at the front of the chassis rail.

Yes I had that on the 6x6 camper I built but I dont have the space on this old girl.
I have had the winch on it for 30 years and its never been used in anger. Its just I am getting older and weaker and may need all the help I can get.
I think I will go for the bridle idea. Saves welding up a roller box and is not extra weight on the front. Only shackle it on when needed , hopefully never.

[BreakingBad]

I've watched a few videos on winching backwards from the front mounted winch which I think would be similar to what you want to achieve.

Anyway, I think the most forward snatch block should be as close to the winch anchor point as possible, and the winch hook joined to an equaliser strap to ensure even pulling.


183533

[123rover50]

Problem is the 3 blocks on the corners are all open blocks so the one on the front left needs the pull towards the centre to keep it on track.
I cant just pull straight ahead from that corner block like your blue line for that reason. Also my winching tree might be off to the left a bit so the winch cable wont be on that front block at all but pulling from the left rear block which may be interesting.

[123rover50]

Yep, a nice short strop to only reach the centreline. Any reason you can't put another block in the middle to centre the line ?
W&KO

Oh me thinks a shorter strop will get the cable closer to centre of vehicle.

These are probably the best solution, A short light strop and easy to stow and connect if needed. Could use a tree protector strap or sling or something like that if short enough.
When I get it out of the shed I can try out my remote and have a fiddle with strops.

[BreakingBad]

Problem is the 3 blocks on the corners are all open blocks so the one on the front left needs the pull towards the centre to keep it on track.
I cant just pull straight ahead from that corner block like your blue line for that reason. Also my winching tree might be off to the left a bit so the winch cable wont be on that front block at all but pulling from the left rear block which may be interesting.

If you do have to winch to a tree on the left what's to stop you re-routing the rope/cable through the opposite side of the front left corner block?

Rather than permanently mount the blocks to the corners it might be easier and more adaptable to have then removable. That way you could setup a spot to mount them on each corner and then you have many more options.

And if you use an equaliser strap (or bridle as they are sometimes referred to as) then it would effectively pull from both the left and right front corners and centre the pull towards the anchor point. Even more so the longer the straight line between the anchor point and the equaliser/bridle strap.

Look up some youtube clips on using a front mounted winch to winch vehicle backwards and you'll get some ideas. You can get away with 3 snatch blocks if you have three suitable anchor points. You just need more rope/cable.

[123rover50]

My left hand front block is on a swing out arrangement to clear the front wheel and only works with compression on the brace. So I cant put the rope on the other side of the block. I dont really want to do a lot more work to it so a simple solution was needed. As I said its never been used yet as this old truck has never been stuck[bigsmile1]

I hunted around and found a short tree protector from ARB but they say its very old and cant give me a rating. Its pale blue.
I found a 1 metre long webbing sling I just bought so will use it to connect the snatch block to the front of the RH chassis. Looks like it might work.
I will post pics when I get it together.

Keith

[123rover50]

Fiddled with a couple of short slings but settled on two ARB soft shackles and a bow shackle connected to the snatch block.
It pulled Masalai up the slope with 4 wheels locked so that will do me.
Probably never have to use it but its there just in case.
Keith

Sorry I cant work out how to delete the inverted one.
K