Tyre bead breaker - food for thought

[eckolsim]

Saw this on FB and can see an application.

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Thoughts?

[BradC]

Now that's interesting. Given the some 100mm of movement with the EAS that might be a goer.

[discorevy]

Might have to overcome the Landy EAS's propensity for self raising first.

[travelrover]

Wouldn’t a hi lift jack foot plate on the Tyre have a similar effect?

[ATH]

I'm sure I saw someone using a hi-lift under the tow hitch and it did exactly the same job. This thread reminds me I've got a bead breaker down the shed I've never used and keep meaning to get rid of. I really must start decluttering the whole house actually of stuff I/we have bought over the years before looking around for a last house move. :)
AlanH.

[rocket rod]

I tried using a jack before on a D2 and it just lifted the car up without popping the bead. Try it at home before relying on it in the bush.

[p38arover]

This thread reminds me I've got a bead breaker down the shed

I have an R&R Beadbreaker that I haven't used since I've had Land Rovers with alloy rims. The AH2 bead on an LR rim is a bitch to break - oh, and there is a particular spot on the rim where you need to start trying.

[dirvine]

Just a question are compomotive rims just as hard?

[DiscoJeffster]

Just a question are compomotive rims just as hard?

I don’t believe so as I’ve heard people dropping a bead on a Compo at lower pressures, that the LR rim would laugh at. It’s one of the saving graces of the low profile tyres - at least the rims let you lower far lower than otherwise acceptable to get you out of a bind.

Happy to stand corrected.

[Briar]

Not trying to hi-jack the thread, but related.

Has anyone ever used the "BeadBuster XB-550" or similar on a 19' or 20" rim? Looks the goods but is it strong enough. I suppose breaking the bead is only half the battle. I think getting a 19 or 20' trye off or on a rim would be near impossible on the trail.

The BeadBuster XB-550 Bead Breaker! Howto and Review - Breaking down tires just got super easy! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKRnii5kNis)

[travelrover]

I saw some Land Rover company mechanics (JRA, as it was then) in ‘85 in Windorah with a couple of 110’s just drive over the tyre, seemed to work a treat.

[p38arover]

The old LR rims didn't have a bead lock so it was easy to break the bead.

[goingbush]

That tyre would have been freshly broken & re-inflated, IMO the only bead breaker worth having is a pair of tyre pliers. Ive jacked tyres with a high lift , driven over them multiple times and eventually they come off after a lot of swearing & sweating. The tyre plyer works every time with minimal effort and takes up bugger all space / weight.

I removed a LR tyre the other day that been one the rim 5 years & I'm still recovering from shoulder surgery (4 months) , so basically one handed.

[sharmy]

I have used a R & R bead breaker on a D3 alloy rim and it worked. Resealing the bead when refitting was another matter, after trying everything I could think of, I was showed the exploding petrol trick. It worked a treat and have used it since. You have to be careful not to use too much or it will catch fire. I believe using an aerosol spray is safer.

[B.S.F.]

Under what conditions have you used that method ? On your own, 100km on the other side of Woop Woop, or under conditions of your choosing at home ?
.W.

[goingbush]

I have used a R & R bead breaker on a D3 alloy rim and it worked. Resealing the bead when refitting was another matter, after trying everything I could think of, I was showed the exploding petrol trick. It worked a treat and have used it since. You have to be careful not to use too much or it will catch fire. I believe using an aerosol spray is safer.

Ive used the aerosol method & it works as advertised but if you put a ratchet strap around the circumference of tyre & tighten it down it will inflate with a portable compressor a lot more safety.

[ATH]

I must find where my R&R is and flog it off on Gumtree as I've never used it. Now where did I put it in the damn shed? :)
AlanH.

[sharmy]

Under what conditions have you used that method ? On your own, 100km on the other side of Woop Woop, or under conditions of your choosing at home ?
.W.

Mosquito Creek, around 70 ks east of Nullagine, so nearer to 100km the other side of Woop Woop than to home here, near Bundaberg.

[sharmy]

Ive used the aerosol method & it works as advertised but if you put a ratchet strap around the circumference of tyre & tighten it down it will inflate with a portable compressor a lot more safety.

Tried the ratchet strap but it did not work on the disco 3 wheels.

[Tins]

Wouldn’t a hi lift jack foot plate on the Tyre have a similar effect?

Not quite. The curved 'blade' on a bead breaker is designed to force its way between the tyre and rim ( not really, of course ) so that the energy must be directed to breaking the bead. A flat plate is far more likely to get pushed away from the bead by the tyre itself as it 'rolls' away. I could definitely see an application of a purpose built HLJ 'accessory' though. Something that replaced the foot plate.

[Tins]

I saw some Land Rover company mechanics (JRA, as it was then) in ‘85 in Windorah with a couple of 110’s just drive over the tyre, seemed to work a treat.

That method works far better on high profile, narrow wheels where there is less scope for the tyre to merely deform out of the way. It's even better on cross plies. Getting it to work on modern low profile, wide tyres is another matter.

[Tins]

Tried the ratchet strap but it did not work on the disco 3 wheels.

There's a reason tyre fitters use a high volume, high flow apparatus to hit the tyre with a shock of air to seat the bead. Modern tyres make it extremely difficult to create the seal needed for inflation. Being on your own, with no access to such things, leaves few alternatives to the effective, but risky, pyrotechnic methods described. Personally, I'd give using petrol a wide berth, although you could dilute some in a mister I suppose. Petrol is bloody dangerous. Aerosol ether, such as Aerostart, works well. Start with small amounts and stand back!

[ATH]

Luckily and fingers crossed, I've never had to remove the tyre while in the bush hence never using the bead breaker bought years ago. Plugging holes is much easier except for big damge and hopefully I never suffer from that for the bush driving time I have left.
Sticking mostly to day trips and not too remote with the Cook now for a variety of reasons mostly as the group I'm with doesn't do much of anything anyway.
AlanH.

[Tombie]

I can tell you all right now... Tyre pliers / other breakers have almost zero chance of removing a tyre from the Late LR wheel unless the tyre has recently been off and refitted.

When removing the factory tyres from the 90s wheels we broke 2 shop tyre machines.
When removing a D2 tyre that had been on for 5 years we took 45 minutes to break the first bead using a high powered workshop unit

Good luck!

[shanegtr]

Reviving an old thread. [bighmmm]

Anyway recently I was having a play with my D3 17" rims and thought it would be interesting to compare the effort to break the bead compared to another generic rim:

https://youtu.be/rmFCJ5Zs2BY
I gotta say the LR rims took some serious effort to break the bead - and on a side note they can be just as painful to reseat the outside/front bead as well!

[eckolsim]

Great post Shane.

I thought the LR rims had a section where they were designed to have the bead broken. Opposite the valve comes to memory. The internal bead lip flattens to make it easier to dismount. If you still have the tyre off can you check?

simon

[shanegtr]

Great post Shane.

I thought the LR rims had a section where they were designed to have the bead broken. Opposite the valve comes to memory. The internal bead lip flattens to make it easier to dismount. If you still have the tyre off can you check?

simon
By eye I couldn't spot any flattening out around the bead area

[Eric SDV6SE]

Just googled the ADR that specifies bead breaking requirements. ADR 23/01 seems to apply.

This states that, as per clause 23.2.2.2.4.3: "each tubeless tyre specification with a 'specified design section' width of 8.0 inches or 205mm or more.....required a mean applied force to unseat the tyre bead at the point of contact equal or greater than 11,120N"

Seeing as most modern tyres are at larger than a 205 section width, this would appear to be the most applicable one. Therefore, you need just over 1 tonne (1.133 to be precise)of force to unseat a tyre of that size to be ADR 23/01 compliant.

[DiscoJeffster]

Just googled the ADR that specifies bead breaking requirements. ADR 23/01 seems to apply.

This states that, as per clause 23.2.2.2.4.3: "each tubeless tyre specification with a 'specified design section' width of 8.0 inches or 205mm or more.....required a mean applied force to unseat the tyre bead at the point of contact equal or greater than 11,120N"

Seeing as most modern tyres are at larger than a 205 section width, this would appear to be the most applicable one. Therefore, you need just over 1 tonne (1.133 to be precise)of force to unseat a tyre of that size to be ADR 23/01 compliant.

“Equal or greater” so you need AT LEAST 1 tonne

[Eric SDV6SE]

“Equal or greater” so you need AT LEAST 1 tonne

Yes, agreed, so the tyre manufacturers will have designed their tyres of 8" wider or more to require at least 1,113kg to break the bead, if they intend to market and sell tyres ADR compliant tyres in Australia

[DiscoJeffster]

Yes, agreed, so the tyre manufacturers will have designed their tyres of 8" wider or more to require at least 1,113kg to break the bead, if they intend to market and sell tyres ADR compliant tyres in Australia

Or for a Land Rover, 20 tonnes [emoji4]

[goingbush]

cant find a suitable place for this video I made yesterday.

this is as good as any. Cant beat the tyre pliers. I do all my own tyre fitting, Getting old - Used to do a full set in a few hours, now I spread it out over 5 days [bigwhistle]


Haven't done a DIY tyre change on Alloy rims before, swapping 5 tyres on my new caravan, I prefer steel rims tbh.


https://youtu.be/xDlA0m9Bbgg'si=a6otcR30hY9it0_8

[d2dave]

I've changed hundreds of tyres in my time. I have never used tyre levers to refit a tyre.

I have always used a rubber mallet.

My first job as a 15 year old 55 years ago was pumping petrol at an Amoco service station(remember them)

Fitting tyres was also my job. There were no fancy machines back then, all done by hand with tyre levers and a rubber mallet.

Balancing was done static on a device that had an all around spirit level type thing in the centre.

[p38arover]

cant find a suitable place for this video I made yesterday.

this is as good as any. Cant beat the tyre pliers. I do all my own tyre fitting, Getting old - Used to do a full set in a few hours, now I spread it out over 5 days [bigwhistle]

Those tyrepliers look easier/better than the R&R BeadBreaker that I have.

Why did you change the tyre, Don? The old one still looked OK.

I have two tyres I want fitted to my 18" RRS rims. Wanna come around?

[goingbush]

I changed the tyres because the profile was wrong for the wheel ( too much sidewall bulge) and load rating too high, which transfers too many bumps into van.

I fitted skinny tyres with a more appropriate load rating .

A bit more about it on my van problems & solutions page . Going Bush (http://goingbush.com/RC.html)