Transmission or XYZ switch?

[discopete]

I’m considering the purchase of a D2 that is having some issues selecting reverse. It will select when shifting from P but not from D. Has anyone experienced similar? Does it sound like a switch fault or transmission? Vehicle has only travelled 140k kms and looks like very little off road, however, boot around transfer lever is well used. Doesn’t look like it’s been a tow tug either. Bit of a mystery.

Peter

[Tins]

I’m considering the purchase of a D2 that is having some issues selecting reverse. It will select when shifting from P but not from D. Has anyone experienced similar? Does it sound like a switch fault or transmission? Vehicle has only travelled 140k kms and looks like very little off road, however, boot around transfer lever is well used. Doesn’t look like it’s been a tow tug either. Bit of a mystery.

Peter

What does it show in the odo screen? What light comes on in the selector? If those are normal then it's probably not the switch. But the XYZ doesn't actually select the gear, the cable does that. The switch tells the computer what gear has been selected. I know that is an oversimplification, I'm only trying to show that there is a third place to check and that is the cable. Even the nut holding the selector arm on to the trans could have come loose. They seem pretty sensitive to adjustment.

As for the boot, do you mean the gaiter in the console or the rubber boot beneath it? Mine has done 350K and there is little wear to that gaiter, and I have certainly used the transfer lever a lot.

140K is just a baby, so unless there's been abuse or poor maintenance I'd expect the trans to do more than that.

EDIT: On the occasions my trans has failed reverse was the one gear that DID work. FWIW.

[discopete]

What does it show in the odo screen? What light comes on in the selector? If those are normal then it's probably not the switch. But the XYZ doesn't actually select the gear, the cable does that. The switch tells the computer what gear has been selected. I know that is an oversimplification, I'm only trying to show that there is a third place to check and that is the cable. Even the nut holding the selector arm on to the trans could have come loose. They seem pretty sensitive to adjustment.

As for the boot, do you mean the gaiter in the console or the rubber boot beneath it? Mine has done 350K and there is little wear to that gaiter, and I have certainly used the transfer lever a lot.

140K is just a baby, so unless there's been abuse or poor maintenance I'd expect the trans to do more than that.

EDIT: On the occasions my trans has failed reverse was the one gear that DID work. FWIW.


Yes, my understanding was limited to the two possibilities and hence my turning to the more knowledgeable. I’ll have a better look this coming weekend if it hasn’t sold in the meantime, and also pay more attention to dash display. It’s the console gaiter I was referring to. Both handbrake and transfer lever gaiters are similarly worn. They look shocking! Seems strange for a low km vehicle.
And reverse seems to work fine once selected, it’s just the oddity of not selecting after being in D.

Peter

[Tins]

Yes, my understanding was limited to the two possibilities and hence my turning to the more knowledgeable.

Far more knowledgeable people than me on here, but I do have some experience of trans issues in a D2[bigsad]


It’s the console gaiter I was referring to. Both handbrake and transfer lever gaiters are similarly worn. They look shocking! Seems strange for a low km vehicle.


That could simply be down to aggressive cleaning products, or that things were loosely stored there, or they were replaced with cheap aftermarket ones.

The oddity you speak of could be the cable mechanism... coming to reverse from the opposite direction, so to speak, could see it not pushing/pulling the selector quite far enough. The XYZ moves with the selector arm, so the display could also indicate a misadjustment.
All this is guesswork of course.

[RRT]

The leather is poor quality as to finish, both my D2 and D2a have the issue you talking about with the gaiter looking 'shredded' but this is only the finish and not the leather itself. The D2a has not been off road or towed but the gaiter is awful.

As most will attest to the XYZ switch is problematic and as such it is important to check the display to match the console.

[finallyrangie]

Just a a warning, my xyz switch wasn't working properly but the dash display was fine, make sure the reverse lights are working when reverse is selected, if they are not, that's likely the switch.

[chuck]

I recently had my XVZ switch rebuilt.

Prior to the rebuild there was a lot of slop in the shift lever & if it missed a shift the M & S lights would come on.

You have some good Landrover Indies down your way why not see if they can do a prepurchase inspection?

[Tins]

I recently had my XVZ switch rebuilt.

Prior to the rebuild there was a lot of slop in the shift lever & if it missed a shift the M & S lights would come on.



I would suggest that you had two things repaired simultaneously. The XYZ switch on its own can't be responsible for slop in the shift, as it merely piggybacks on the selector shaft into the trans. A good shop would have addressed wear or slop in the mechanism while they were at it.

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[discopete]

I recently had my XVZ switch rebuilt.

Prior to the rebuild there was a lot of slop in the shift lever & if it missed a shift the M & S lights would come on.

You have some good Landrover Indies down your way why not see if they can do a prepurchase inspection?

One of the best. It’s a matter of getting in with JC. I’m working on a pricing for worst case scenario at the moment. Keen to get a better understanding of transmission operation and other’s experience in the meantime.

[PhilipA]

The boots on the handbrake and slow range are cheap on ebay and easily replaced.

Its just a matter of prising out a spring base on the selector and ditto the handbrake.
Regards PhilipA
eg Land Rover Discovery 2 Shift Boot + Handbrake Genuine Leather Tobacco | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/202156065838?hash=item2f1170c42e:g:eWYAAOSwofxUidM n&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsDisnnCpsZP87zdRRPLbEaZMi0AVI IRauNE7C8fcoVxdhIKl5V0xmp%2BpabJuuYxBQRiHn089o0zA% 2BaKGyRVf1oPRUy8vIeIND7JwGdXNFnByLS31pbhRC0SV%2Bv% 2F7qg1qRHavDQ8hsKM2B9pHYtAIhCkk8glNuAMEfgQK0t3Xev2 t5X%2F%2BxVSlYTIpjlrPsS936JVRXM3sISeLPe%2F%2B6Ymtw ZVvwmHvT5S9obzuywAfDFIt%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7TNxNjJYQ)

[discopete]

The boots on the handbrake and slow range are cheap on ebay and easily replaced.

Its just a matter of prising out a spring base on the selector and ditto the handbrake.
Regards PhilipA
eg Land Rover Discovery 2 Shift Boot + Handbrake Genuine Leather Tobacco | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/202156065838?hash=item2f1170c42e:g:eWYAAOSwofxUidM n&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsDisnnCpsZP87zdRRPLbEaZMi0AVI IRauNE7C8fcoVxdhIKl5V0xmp%2BpabJuuYxBQRiHn089o0zA% 2BaKGyRVf1oPRUy8vIeIND7JwGdXNFnByLS31pbhRC0SV%2Bv% 2F7qg1qRHavDQ8hsKM2B9pHYtAIhCkk8glNuAMEfgQK0t3Xev2 t5X%2F%2BxVSlYTIpjlrPsS936JVRXM3sISeLPe%2F%2B6Ymtw ZVvwmHvT5S9obzuywAfDFIt%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7TNxNjJYQ)

My main concern was whether the wear indicated excessive usage which wouldn’t have added up considering the low kms. On closer inspection the actual lever is in perfect condition and possibly never used. I was wrong to use the gaiter wear as an indicator!

[Reddirt204]

My D2a has ta similar shift issue, from P its fine into R but if moving from D to R nothing happens, I have found when shifting from D to R I go passed R almost into P and then drop back to R and it works every time, when straight shifting from D to R nothing would show on the dash, I'm thinking the cable is in need of a slight adjustment, that will be done once things are back together (the trans was damaged from the front shaft letting go, had 330K on the clock and getting a bit tired anyway)

Hope this helps in some way :)

cheers

Redd

[Tins]

I'm thinking the cable is in need of a slight adjustment,

Redd

Me too. It's the most likely culprit. At 330,000 maybe a new cable wouldn't hurt. I don't know how much they wear at the shift lever end but it must be some. I know there is some wear in the linkage at the trans end.

[discopete]

My D2a has ta similar shift issue, from P its fine into R but if moving from D to R nothing happens, I have found when shifting from D to R I go passed R almost into P and then drop back to R and it works every time, when straight shifting from D to R nothing would show on the dash, I'm thinking the cable is in need of a slight adjustment, that will be done once things are back together (the trans was damaged from the front shaft letting go, had 330K on the clock and getting a bit tired anyway)

Hope this helps in some way :)

cheers

Redd

Thank you, Redd! I was thinking and hoping it was something like that. Always a possibility it isn’t, however, hearing from someone who has experienced similar helps immensely.

Cheers, Peter

[PhilipA]

There is a special tool to set the position of the XYZ but I found when I removed my shift lever that if you set the cable in Neutral so that the dash and selector both read N then it is generally Ok in all gears.
I must admit that I tried to ensure that I didn't shift the adjustment but you should be able to fix the problem with a bit of trial and error.
if it is that of course. it maybe something wrong with the XYZ , maybe a dirty contact or narrow on R. There are how tos on You tube on how to fix.
make sure you put an extension on the aircon drain to direct water away from the top of the XYZ. Great Land Rover design.
Regards PhilipA

[discopete]

Thanks everyone for your input and knowledge. I’m very impressed by the help I’ve received from the d2 community. Next step is to hopefully purchase the vehicle. I will update when more is known.

Cheers, Peter

[discopete]

Unfortunately the vehicle sold before I could view it, so we will never know for certain the issue. Thanks again for all the help, and I may still join the D2 community at some point.

Cheers, Peter