18" alloys for a 2013 D4 TDV6 3.0

[Mellow Yellow]

Can anyone confirm that the following specification is correct for 18" rims for a 3.0 2013 D4?

Size 18/8
PCD 5/120
Offset 45 mm
Load 950 Kg
Bore 72.6 mm

Thanks in advance.

[Tombie]

Yes, (although factory offset +53)

What’s your end game?

Caliper clearance is the challenge.

[Mellow Yellow]

Yes, (although factory offset +53)

What’s your end game?

Caliper clearance is the challenge.

Thanks for that.

I assume the +45 offset is to allow for the increased width of an 18" tyre, i.e. 265 vs 255.

My end game after the change to 18" tyres is that both tyres and alloy rims are:-

1. Legal.
2. Tyres don't rub.
3. Minimal change to tyre diameter.
4. Tyres of a size that is readily available.
5. Tyres with an "All Terrain" pattern.
6. Tyres that have a proven performance in Australian desert, gravel road and fire trails.
7. Tyres have good stake resistance.
8. Alloy rims are from a reputable supplier, not black in colour and not a "fancy" design.
8. Fitted to my D4 by mid-May this year at the latest, prior to a long outback 4wd trip (Yulara to Port Hedland).

I as far as I can see 265/60R18 BFG A/T KO2's would meet the tyre requirements.

The problem is getting suitable rims in time. In that regard, Performance Alloys in the UK will export to Australia (not cheap but not unreasonable) but I cannot afford to order the wrong spec rims. That would be a disaster.

As to caliper issues, I have yet to take measurements as I'm away from home at the moment. But when I'm back next week ......

[loanrangie]

Thanks for that.

I assume the +45 offset is to allow for the increased width of an 18" tyre, i.e. 265 vs 255.

My end game after the change to 18" tyres is that both tyres and alloy rims are:-

1. Legal.
2. Tyres don't rub.
3. Minimal change to tyre diameter.
4. Tyres of a size that is readily available.
5. Tyres with an "All Terrain" pattern.
6. Tyres that have a proven performance in Australian desert, gravel road and fire trails.
7. Tyres have good stake resistance.
8. Alloy rims are from a reputable supplier, not black in colour and not a "fancy" design.
8. Fitted to my D4 by mid-May this year at the latest, prior to a long outback 4wd trip (Yulara to Port Hedland).

I as far as I can see 265/60R18 BFG A/T KO2's would meet the tyre requirements.

The problem is getting suitable rims in time. In that regard, Performance Alloys in the UK will export to Australia (not cheap but not unreasonable) but I cannot afford to order the wrong spec rims. That would be a disaster.

As to caliper issues, I have yet to take measurements as I'm away from home at the moment. But when I'm back next week ......

Cant go past the Tuffant rims and 265/60/18 tyre size, i'd go Falken Wildpeak before BFG.

[kelvo]

Thanks for that.

I assume the +45 offset is to allow for the increased width of an 18" tyre, i.e. 265 vs 255.

My end game after the change to 18" tyres is that both tyres and alloy rims are:-

1. Legal.
2. Tyres don't rub.
3. Minimal change to tyre diameter.
4. Tyres of a size that is readily available.
5. Tyres with an "All Terrain" pattern.
6. Tyres that have a proven performance in Australian desert, gravel road and fire trails.
7. Tyres have good stake resistance.
8. Alloy rims are from a reputable supplier, not black in colour and not a "fancy" design.
8. Fitted to my D4 by mid-May this year at the latest, prior to a long outback 4wd trip (Yulara to Port Hedland).

I as far as I can see 265/60R18 BFG A/T KO2's would meet the tyre requirements.

The problem is getting suitable rims in time. In that regard, Performance Alloys in the UK will export to Australia (not cheap but not unreasonable) but I cannot afford to order the wrong spec rims. That would be a disaster.

As to caliper issues, I have yet to take measurements as I'm away from home at the moment. But when I'm back next week ......

Have you looked at Tuffant rims? SHOP | TuffAnt (https://www.tuffant.com/shop)
They will fit, they are in stock in Australia, they have various colour options, and two different styles (Kimberley and Simpson).

[DazzaTD5]

I have just got in a set of MOAB 18" wheels (from 4WD1 over east) which will go on one customer's disco at some point, the finish is perfect and they use the original Land Rover wheel lugs. Other 18" I have fitted, the wheel lugs simply dont seem to match the thread or likely the pitch of the Land Rover stud and there seems to be a lot of wobbly free play as you screw them on.

[Graeme]

My son with a D4 likes his LT265/60R18 Maxxis AT811.

[Graeme]

Other 18" I have fitted, the wheel lugs simply dont seem to match the thread or likely the pitch of the Land Rover stud and there seems to be a lot of wobbly free play as you screw them on.Likely junky nuts rather than wrong pitch. I have a spare set for last resort use only.

[DazzaTD5]

I have lots of customers running BFG all terrains on their D4 most swear by them. I understand in general they are a pretty tough and can be a good pick for up north of W.A but I do note they dont seem to balance up the greatest and as they dont have as much sidewall flex they arent the best sand tyre.

Again a high percentage of customers run Yokohamma Geolander GEO15, i run these myself and think they are an awesome tyre.

[Mellow Yellow]

Have you looked at Tuffant rims? SHOP | TuffAnt (https://www.tuffant.com/shop)
They will fit, they are in stock in Australia, they have various colour options, and two different styles (Kimberley and Simpson).

Thanks for that.

I had checked (even though I'm loath to buy Chinese made) and the Kimberley doesn't come in a spec that will fit a D4. The Simpson has an Offset of +44 which presumably could fit but they only have five in stock and I want six.

But, amazingly, it seems I can import six Diewe rims from the UK in time and cheaper after accounting for freight.

My major concern is that the Diewe rims have an offset of +45 whereas Tombie tells me that the original D4 rims have an offset of +53. So I don't know at this stage whether they will fit around my calipers or not.

[Narangga]

Thanks for that.

I had checked (even though I'm loath to buy Chinese made) and the Kimberley doesn't come in a spec that will fit a D4. The Simpson has an Offset of +44 which presumably could fit but they only have five in stock and I want six.

But, amazingly, it seems I can import six Diewe rims from the UK in time and cheaper after accounting for freight.

My major concern is that the Diewe rims have an offset of +45 whereas Tombie tells me that the original D4 rims have an offset of +53. So I don't know at this stage whether they will fit around my calipers or not.

If you look here: Discovery 4 (https://www.tuffant.com/vehicles/discovery-4)

It says they do at ET29 spec as per this page: TuffAnt Kimberley LT | TuffAnt (https://www.tuffant.com/product-page/tuffant-kimberley-lt)

If you are after the +44 spec then obviously they don't tick that box.

[Mellow Yellow]

If you look here: Discovery 4 (https://www.tuffant.com/vehicles/discovery-4)

It says they do at ET29 spec as per this page: TuffAnt Kimberley LT | TuffAnt (https://www.tuffant.com/product-page/tuffant-kimberley-lt)

If you are after the +44 spec then obviously they don't tick that box.

Yep. That's the problem. Thanks anyway.

[Mellow Yellow]

Yes, (although factory offset +53)

What’s your end game?

Caliper clearance is the challenge.


BFG A/T KO2's (a tyre I know) have been challenged and Falken Wildpeaks AT3W's (your recommendation) supported.

So, I'll have a good look at them. Thanks.

Now I just need more confidence that brake calipers won't get in the way with +45 offset rims.

[Hogarthde]

I have MOAB on MY 16 D4, with 70,000 k. no problems so far , fitted with 265,65 x18

[Tombie]

BFG A/T KO2's (a tyre I know) have been challenged and Falken Wildpeaks AT3W's (your recommendation) supported.

So, I'll have a good look at them. Thanks.

Now I just need more confidence that brake calipers won't get in the way with +45 offset rims.

Offset won’t solve the calliper clearance problem, it’s internal wheel profile that will help there.

The AT3W is far superior to BFGs offering.

[loanrangie]

It's not as hard as you are making out, any 18" rim designed for a 3.0 D4 will clear the calipers. If I needed them it would be the tuffant Kimberly wheels.

[Tombie]

It's not as hard as you are making out, any 18" rim designed for a 3.0 D4 will clear the calipers. If I needed them it would be the tuffant Kimberly wheels.

He doesn’t seem to want the guaranteed options though.

I’m gathering he’s looking at a generic 18” alternative.

[loanrangie]

He doesn’t seem to want the guaranteed options though.

I’m gathering he’s looking at a generic 18” alternative.

The type that crack and you throw away after the first trip.

[DazzaTD5]

The type that crack and you throw away after the first trip.

oh what so like the old compromotive wheels then?

[DazzaTD5]

He doesn’t seem to want the guaranteed options though.

I’m gathering he’s looking at a generic 18” alternative.

if you mean fit then fair enough.
What is generic when it comes to wheels, one brand is called X and another brand is called Y.

[discomatt69]

Slight hijack,[bigwhistle]

why or how are the wildpeaks better than BFG?

I have run BFG's for years, all conditions , all surfaces and never had a damaged tire but happy to change if something else is significantly better

[Tombie]

Slight hijack,[bigwhistle]

why or how are the wildpeaks better than BFG?

I have run BFG's for years, all conditions , all surfaces and never had a damaged tire but happy to change if something else is significantly better

Better rubber compound, wear smoother - less likely to become noisy as they age.
Rubber doesnt harden or crack like BFG over time and dont become slippery as time progresses (noted a significant reduction in grip with BFG as they age)

Stronger side wall and thicker - cross sectioned one of each and was surprised...


BFG was ~20yrs ago, the world standard to measure against, and still is i suppose. it wasnt the gold standard, just the benchmark.

About 15 years ago, costs seemed to impact the BFG product and something shifted

[Mellow Yellow]

Better rubber compound, wear smoother - less likely to become noisy as they age.
Rubber doesnt harden or crack like BFG over time and dont become slippery as time progresses (noted a significant reduction in grip with BFG as they age)

Stronger side wall and thicker - cross sectioned one of each and was surprised...


BFG was ~20yrs ago, the world standard to measure against, and still is i suppose. it wasnt the gold standard, just the benchmark.

About 15 years ago, costs seemed to impact the BFG product and something shifted

Excellent answer.

Also, the review on off-road.com is highly complimentary.

I'm going with them on Compomotive rims.

[DazzaTD5]

Slight hijack,[bigwhistle]

why or how are the wildpeaks better than BFG?

I have run BFG's for years, all conditions , all surfaces and never had a damaged tire but happy to change if something else is significantly better

BFG KO (all terrain)
*I have plenty of customers that agree, never an issue, overall still a tough tyre.
*I find perhaps they might not balance up as good as some.
*some road noise compared to the standard.
*I find them not the greatest sand tyre as the sidewalls dont seem to flex as much as others.
*Years ago Michelin bought BFG

wildpeaks
*they seem ok, i cant say I've had customers particularly rave about them.
*plenty of sidewall flex seem pretty good as a sand tyre.
*used to see them a lot on disco 2, they seemed a quiet tyre.

Yokohama Geolander
*I am a fan of the yokkies, great in the sand, quiet on road, long lasting.
*When customers ask me, this is what i recommend for their Defender (classic) or D4.
*they are on my Perentie, my dad's Defender, lots of customers D4s, Defenders.

Tyres are a "what brand of spark plug is the best" people stick with what they have had a good run with.

Compromotive wheels?
*While I have no idea who makes them or if they have been redesigned but back in the old crap days when green oval experience used to sprout about how they designed them I had enough customers with cracked wheels that never got replacements or struggled to get replacements that I would not recommend them.
*If anyone knows more info then please correct me if I am stating something incorrect.

[p38arover]

Would these 18" RRS (genuine) rims I have behind my shed fit? I was going to put them on my L322 which currently has 20" rims. They had been on my P38A (with hubcentric rings).

8" wide x 53mm offset.

184429

[loanrangie]

Would these 18" RRS (genuine) rims I have behind my shed fit? I was going to put them on my L322 which currently has 20" rims. They had been on my P38A (with hubcentric rings).

8" wide x 53mm offset.

184429


I don't think they'll fit a 3.0 D4 with the larger brakes, those wheels may have been from a 2.7 model.

[p38arover]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Narangga]

I don't think they'll fit a 3.0 D4 with the larger brakes, those wheels may have been from a 2.7 model.

Yes one of the HSE option offerings.

[lt8x7]

The new Defender wheel fit … just righthttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230317/068ee152cf92a539309428696b78cbc8.jpg

[discomatt69]

Thanks for the replies about the difference in tires, I have found the BFG don’t balance to well, also not to good in sand but that is due to the overall construction , stronger side wall, less flex and bagging, I will live with that as strength in the high country is better than 4 PSI less on sand…

[loanrangie]

The new Defender wheel fit … just righthttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230317/068ee152cf92a539309428696b78cbc8.jpg

Some body's Morris Minor is missing a set of wheels', its a no from me.

[goldey]

I'd be more than happy to take them off someones hands if they want a set of 20" LR mags for their Defender.