Why do I hear lots of bad things about the Discovery series 2?

[Wello]

Speaking to a few people who know rovers quite well, it seems that there is a real trend saying that the series 2 disco's are prone to maintainance issues.

Just wanting to know from those who have the D2's.

Is the injection system that bad on the 4lt V8 that it makes fitting LPG a real nightmare?

Are the d2's any more prone to problems than a late series 1 disco?

Just wondering as I am seriously in the market for a Disco, just trying to find the right one.

Which type of Disco would YOU buy to get true value for money and why?

Choices would be either 97-98 S1 in TDi 300 or V8 on gas. Or a 99-00 S2 in TD5 or V8 on gas.

Any advice would be greatfully accepted, as I am still scratchin my head thinking about this issue.

Thanks, Wello

[ladas]

Speaking to a few people who know rovers quite well, it seems that there is a real trend saying that the series 2 disco's are prone to maintainance issues.

Just wanting to know from those who have the D2's.

Is the injection system that bad on the 4lt V8 that it makes fitting LPG a real nightmare?

Are the d2's any more prone to problems than a late series 1 disco?

Just wondering as I am seriously in the market for a Disco, just trying to find the right one.

Which type of Disco would YOU buy to get true value for money and why?

Choices would be either 97-98 S1 in TDi 300 or V8 on gas. Or a 99-00 S2 in TD5 or V8 on gas.

Any advice would be greatfully accepted, as I am still scratchin my head thinking about this issue.

Thanks, Wello

I have a 2002 DII, not really had any problems since buying it - apart from a new battery. Plus hitting a few tree stumps off road. Otherwise great.

Don't get an 2001/ 2002 though as they don't have the CDL mechanism

[LRHybrid100]

Get a late model 300 TDI Auto - upto 1999

LRH

[DougLD]

Hi Wello
We have a 2002 TD5 update model I am happy with it the only problem that we have had with it is oil in the loom which is a moderately expensive repair $500 + there are a few other issues with the TD5 but they we haven't had them yet. I would still buy another one tomorrow if we had to replace this one. we have traveled around 110000 klms in it so far.
Regards
Doug
PS Older Rangies are great to

[LandyAndy]

Hi Doug
Hopefully you will have missed the plastic dowels in the head we have(mines fixed).But has yours got a CDL???? That must have been the tradeoff real dowels drop the CDL!!!!!!
Andrew

[spudboy]

I've got one of the late D1 TDi300's in a manual. Its' been a brilliant car. Simpler than a D2 but it hasn't got nearly so much boot space.

In 9 years the only bad thing it's done is do a head gasket due to low coolant (welch plug problem - weeping and I ignored it). I've got a low coolant level alarm now for $200.

Don't know anything about the V8s. I tried a few when I was buying mine, and there wasn't a whole lot in it and the fuel consumption on the Diesel is remarkable for such a heay car (10L/100Km or 28/30MPG consistently whether you drive it easy or hard).

D1's are so cheap these days that I can't see myself ever getting rid of it. Good for you if you are purchasing, but bad for anyone selling.

[MarknDeb]

Gday Wello we have a 03 D2 td5, the only thing we have had to get done is the brake pads & rotors replaced at 46000 k's. The car has been fantastic, it has real good economy. The main reason we got ours is we tow a 2t caravan and it does that well as well.

[Quiggers]

The D2 is also the P38 RR with a few things missing, and its a great piece of work but -

the V8 chucks down juice

it generally doesn't have a CDL

the diesel version has had some issues - like the famous 'loctite' saga, which if not sussed and fixed could cause the owner to forkout $17000 for a new donk etc

but a goodie is a great piece of work (with a CDL)....

my neighbour 200 metres away has a V8 (on road tyres?!?!?!) and it's sweet but it drinks more than any alcoholic....

and 'bruiser', nearby, got a diesel some years ago when LR were doing deals - half upfront - the rest in two years - and that's never had an issue.....he reckons its the best ROver he's ever had (and he has ten, like Ps and Ds and an SD1 and stuff)

[Graeme]

Hi Doug
Hopefully you will have missed the plastic dowels in the head we have(mines fixed).But has yours got a CDL???? That must have been the tradeoff real dowels drop the CDL!!!!!!
Andrew

They still had plastic dowels on the early MY03 after the CDL was properly brought back. Mine's got plastics according to the VIN for when steel was introduced. But it seems that plastic is only a problem if the head loosens, as happens if it overheats.

[Reads90]

Speaking to a few people who know rovers quite well, it seems that there is a real trend saying that the series 2 disco's are prone to maintainance issues.

Just wanting to know from those who have the D2's.

Is the injection system that bad on the 4lt V8 that it makes fitting LPG a real nightmare?

Are the d2's any more prone to problems than a late series 1 disco?

Just wondering as I am seriously in the market for a Disco, just trying to find the right one.

Which type of Disco would YOU buy to get true value for money and why?

Choices would be either 97-98 S1 in TDi 300 or V8 on gas. Or a 99-00 S2 in TD5 or V8 on gas.

Any advice would be greatfully accepted, as I am still scratchin my head thinking about this issue.

Thanks, Wello

it like everything
Someone who is happy tells hardly anyone, but somone who has a problem tells everyone they can

There is a thing in retail which says if you give good service then they will tell 3 people but if somthing goes wrong they will tell about 30 people
just human nature

[JDNSW]

I doubt if the Disco 2 really has a lot of problems compared to the late Disco 1 for example. But one factor that may make it seem that way is that the D1 was in most respects a direct evolution of the original RR - and they had had twenty years to get it right in a lot of respects.
The D2 was very much a new design along the same lines, which means not only were there a lot of bits that were relatively untried, but the parts that were common (or at least interchangeable) often don't fit, so you have no choice but new, expensive parts specific to the D2, which makes repairs a lot more expensive than for the same repair on the D1. e.g. I understand wheel bearings are in this category, but the most obvious one is wheels - D1 can use at a pinch any Landrover wheel back to 1948 - but D2 has a new stud pattern.
While the newer design is not necessarily less reliable - and it should be more reliable - the need for parts specific to the D2 can make repairs a lot more expensive for a specific instance, even though overall running costs may be no more or even less.

John

[Bytemrk]

If I was purchasing today.. I'd Probably go a DII TD5

I love my V8... but the economy and range are a bit sad.

As far as are the DII's bad.. no way. I've had less drama with this than many other car's I have owned and it has done a fair bit of outback touring and off road.

You ask is the DII injection "that bad" - simple answer is NO. If you want to put it on gas - just be careful which gas system you use. There are good ones around - but not all will work. This is not because the injection system is bad - it is because many of the earlier gas systems are simply not compatible with the ECU for the vehicle. LPG 1 in Lilydale do one that works well.

I would definitely suggest you get your bum into a few and drive them - there is a significant difference in driving between a DI and a DII.... you might find that after driving both the answer to your decision gets easier.

Which vehicle is right for you really depend so much on how you plan to use it..

Mark

[dobbo]

Id buy another D2 TD5 anyday. They are great on and offroad. Only problems you'll find is the lack of aftermarket equipment for it,(as opposed to any other LR model and of course every other make and model of 4wd in the world) but this is getting better all the time

[DiscoTDI]

If I had my time again I would have kept my D1 and skipped the whole D2 experience;)

[Reads90]

well i am looking buying a D1 V8 for a toy and a D2 TD5 for family car and touring
my brother has a 2000 D2 TD5 and has done 208,000k's in it in the past 2.5 years He loves it and will be keeping it untill it dies. He drives up and down to work every day which is a round trip of about 350 K's a day
The cars has not given him any trouble for the day he has bought it. Apart from last weekend when i wondered what the problme was . Thought it was dirty fuel, was told by a dealer it was oil in the wiring loom and need a new ecu. So went somwhere else . In the end it was a split turbo hose. He is still happy with it and after all the car is pushing 320,000k's on the clock . So you can accept things like that

[Wello]

MMmmmm! Interesting reading. Might look a little harder at the D2 option by the sounds of it. It will live the first few years of its life as the "family" car until my faithful little landcruiser dies a horrible death (5 years tops I reckon). Then it becomes my driver and camping/ hunting bus, so spares and acces.. may be cheaper and more available by that stage.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

The D1 and D2 are totally different cars,

I wouldnt have a diesel if one was given to me.

Fuel economy is not THE reason we buy 4wds.

and if it is

the difference in purchase price will mean a LONG term owner MAY recoup their "Almighty" dollars.

may.

give me a break.

[tombraider]

The D1 and D2 are totally different cars,

I wouldnt have a diesel if one was given to me.

Fuel economy is not THE reason we buy 4wds.

and if it is

the difference in purchase price will mean a LONG term owner MAY recoup their "Almighty" dollars.

may.

give me a break.

Oh Pedro, may you never grow up / old / wise.... :cool:

Disco 2 V8 for sale nearby... $11000.00
Disco 2 TD5 (similar km's)... $23000.00

Which ones going to recover his costs ;)

:wasntme:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

in fuel???

never!!!!!!!:D

[spudboy]

Pedro - Depends on what you want your 4WD for. If you want to go touring the diesel is perfect. Same fuel capacity gets you neary twice as far (or conversely you only have to carry half as much fuel = weight). Once you are cruising at 110 it doesn't matter if you've got diesel or petrol.

[mrapocalypse]

For LPG you will need a vapour injection to suit the sequential/closed loop system. You would be crazy to put low tech gas in a D11 anyway.... I had mine done the other day and am extremely happy with it. Slight decrese in power, slight increase in consumptionbut still lots of fun to drive. Gas is $00.53 a litre and you'll be doign 18-20l/100k

Start cruising ebay for a manifold tank becuase they don't make them any more and your installer will sell them faster than hot cakes.

Shop around for an installer.... most wont touch it, some will do it but wont make it a decent 4x4 install. E.G filler on low panel and wiring and ECU in bonnet near water dust and heat! (Mine's like this but Work in Progress)

LPG install is going to cost you over $4000 incl tank minus rebate....30000k a year should get it back in 1-2 years!

If you thrash the Dii v8 the fuel consumption will blow you away.... but you will be smiling.

With gas and a long range tank you will max out at 1000k range. So the Gunbarrel isn't for you!

A V8 D11 even without a CDL will eat sand for brekky contrary to what you hear. Mud rocks and hills are not going to bother it that much either. I'll show you the Vid of mine digging itself out if you want .... If you lose sleep then put a CDL in it, you can get kits for about $400, or a whole new tranny case with aftermarket CDL Lever will cost you $2500 installed.

If you haven't tried traction control off road it will change your life and the exterior appearance of your truck because you wont be able to stay away from the rough stuff..

And that's BS about aftermarket stuff... You can easily get a front and rear bar, long range tanks, 2nd battery and trays, rear drawers, suspension, roof racks, under body protection from a variety of sources - what are you people missing!

A second hand Dii with FSH that's been under warranty for three years is not going to give you any more problems than anything else... And most of the time, it's not the vehicles that are the problem it the moron Service departments in greedy dealerships so go to Uncle Greame Cooper, Mr MR, or any of the dedicated NON DEALER mechs listed on this site and you will have a few if any problems.

These are good cars, and you will miss it when you drive anything else because they are just that good to drive....

If you are in Bris and want to check mine out PM me and you can come over and go for a blast....

That is all.

[dungarover]

For LPG you will need a vapour injection to suit the sequential/closed loop system. You would be crazy to put low tech gas in a D11 anyway.... I had mine done the other day and am extremely happy with it. Slight decrese in power, slight increase in consumptionbut still lots of fun to drive. Gas is $00.53 a litre and you'll be doign 18-20l/100k

Start cruising ebay for a manifold tank becuase they don't make them any more and your installer will sell them faster than hot cakes.

Shop around for an installer.... most wont touch it, some will do it but wont make it a decent 4x4 install. E.G filler on low panel and wiring and ECU in bonnet near water dust and heat! (Mine's like this but Work in Progress)

LPG install is going to cost you over $4000 incl tank minus rebate....30000k a year should get it back in 1-2 years!

If you thrash the Dii v8 the fuel consumption will blow you away.... but you will be smiling.

With gas and a long range tank you will max out at 1000k range. So the Gunbarrel isn't for you!

A V8 D11 even without a CDL will eat sand for brekky contrary to what you hear. Mud rocks and hills are not going to bother it that much either. I'll show you the Vid of mine digging itself out if you want .... If you lose sleep then put a CDL in it, you can get kits for about $400, or a whole new tranny case with aftermarket CDL Lever will cost you $2500 installed.

If you haven't tried traction control off road it will change your life and the exterior appearance of your truck because you wont be able to stay away from the rough stuff..

And that's BS about aftermarket stuff... You can easily get a front and rear bar, long range tanks, 2nd battery and trays, rear drawers, suspension, roof racks, under body protection from a variety of sources - what are you people missing!

A second hand Dii with FSH that's been under warranty for three years is not going to give you any more problems than anything else... And most of the time, it's not the vehicles that are the problem it the moron Service departments in greedy dealerships so go to Uncle Greame Cooper, Mr MR, or any of the dedicated NON DEALER mechs listed on this site and you will have a few if any problems.

These are good cars, and you will miss it when you drive anything else because they are just that good to drive....

If you are in Bris and want to check mine out PM me and you can come over and go for a blast....

That is all.


A mate of mine has a 02 td5 Disco without CDL and the ETC decided to crap itself halfway up a hill (not very convient) and then detonated the rear diff a short time after :eek: . If he had a CDL this would of been advoided as the strain on the mechanical components would have been more evenly spread and the ETC in conjunction with the CDL works exceptionaly well. Still not like cross axle diff locks but better than nothing :)

You're right, they'll go quite a way without but my argument here is I'd rather have it than not. The ETC works a hell of a lot harder without the CDL and since the traction control is driven by the ABS brakes, which in turn would overheat after long runs on the beach. I personally would find it a real PIA on sand, but never having had a LR with ETC I'm not to know. I would want to disengage it as most beach runs you can drive the bloody thing open all round til you hit the soft stuff.

I'm not a big fan of LPG as I have had a bad experience with the stuff on my 93 Disco I owned a few years back and it was a real PIA. I vowed I'd never own a LPG Rangie/Disco ever again and if I had bought one with LPG, I'd be taking it off ASAP :mad: :mad:

Someone told me one that 'Gas is for BBQ's!!!!!'

Trav

[ak]

I strongly agree with what Mropocalypse said.

If serviced by a propper Landie mechanic the D2 is a great car that you should not worry about.

I use to get my car serviced with the stealer at 100,000 I found Graeme Coopers. Since going to Coopers for the last year and a half I have more confidence in my D2. It does not even leak oil any more. Makes me wonder what the stealer was doing or lack of it.

If properly serviced with a Landie mechanic I would not hesitate to buy another D2.

[mrapocalypse]

If the Traction control stopped working it would result in wheel spin and not a blown diff because for the Traction control to be working it must have locked a wheel that was spinning! If the drive can find the point of lowest traction that's where it will go... not to the wheels that are hanging on.. If you had a centre diff engaged then then he's more likely to bust his rear diff than with a Crapping itself TC! It's a constant four wheel drive principal.

If you are basing your entire assessement of LPG Systems on a 93 disco you had once then maybe you should email the R & D dept at land Rover cos I'm sure they'd love to hear from you. That kind of research is pricelss.

[cookiesa]

After being involved in the motor industry those that have trouble with gas tend to have the cheapest system fitted. (Of course not always by them, often by whoever owned it before) It's like most things, you get what you pay for. Cheap general system will work on most makes/models just not as well or for as long.

Those I've met that swear by gas (4x4 & 4x2) generally have one of the dearer brands fitted and regularly, or regularly get the vehicle serviced.

Look at how many taxi's run gas systems (just about all isn't it) with very little trouble from the gas system. (Ask them how long a battery lasts in that sort of use though!)

[Reads90]

If you thrash the Dii v8 the fuel consumption will blow you away.... but you will be smiling.




As they with the V8

If you kick it it will kick you back harder :cool:

[mrapocalypse]

Whereas with a diesel if you kick it will...........................








Clatter clatter clatter






Whisle whistle whislte....




Oh, NOTHING HAPPENED!!!!!!..:o

[Reads90]

Whereas with a diesel if you kick it will...........................








Clatter clatter clatter






Whisle whistle whislte....




Oh, NOTHING HAPPENED!!!!!!..:o


mmmm driven many diesel have we :angel: :angel:
None i have had do that :)

[tombraider]

Reads...

Its OK mate... Those of us with diesels know ;)

Those with the V8s are just reeling with horror.

[mrapocalypse]

I bet your Diersel pedal hits the floor a lot more than my V8 does... And YES I have driven plenty of Diesels and NO they are not like V8's! Sorry mate.

[Reads90]

I bet your Diersel pedal hits the floor a lot more than my V8 does... And YES I have driven plenty of Diesels and NO they are not like V8's! Sorry mate.

Nah they both have a place. As i have said on the forum before Diesel for touring and V8 for playing:D :D
And yeah the 90 pedal is right to the floor everytime i drive it but that is mainly my driving and not all the fact its a diesel:D :D rangie had was driven the same way as well as the V8 100"

[tombraider]

I bet your Diersel pedal hits the floor a lot more than my V8 does... And YES I have driven plenty of Diesels and NO they are not like V8's! Sorry mate.

You're right...

My diesel is not like your V8... Its faster :cool: And more frugal... :p

And my pedal rarely sees more than 1/2 throttle...

[mrapocalypse]

Frugal yes.

faster NO!!!:p

[cookiesa]

Faster to drink? Faster to loose your license? or just faster to the same 100-110km/h we are restricted too?

Horses for courses, as stated before! But if you need the feel to be more "manly" then enjoy your boyish V8 fun! LOL

[mrapocalypse]

Boyish V8 Fun!!!! More Manly????? Gee Thanks Nanna! :D

[cookiesa]

No worries! (PS don't forget to get one of them Oakley stickers to make it go faster.... And lay the seat down almost flat so you can barely touch the steering wheel!)

[Reads90]

No worries! (PS don't forget to get one of them Oakley stickers to make it go faster.... And lay the seat down almost flat so you can barely touch the steering wheel!)

don't forget the spinners and big ar*e tail pipe :D :D :D :D

[mrapocalypse]

And you guys keep the water proof seat covers on at ALL TIMES!

[Reads90]

And you guys keep the water proof seat covers on at ALL TIMES!


Need to as a snorkle is of use on a Diesel but waste of money on a V8 as the engine will have stopped well before the air intake is anywhere near the water level :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[dungarover]

If the Traction control stopped working it would result in wheel spin and not a blown diff because for the Traction control to be working it must have locked a wheel that was spinning! If the drive can find the point of lowest traction that's where it will go... not to the wheels that are hanging on.. If you had a centre diff engaged then then he's more likely to bust his rear diff than with a Crapping itself TC! It's a constant four wheel drive principal.

If you are basing your entire assessement of LPG Systems on a 93 disco you had once then maybe you should email the R & D dept at land Rover cos I'm sure they'd love to hear from you. That kind of research is pricelss.

The wheel spin instigated the diff failure in the first place, not the other way round. It was the TC failure that caused the diff to fail, as you said at least with the TC working there's no need for you to hammer the Disco to get places. Even my mate who blew the ****ter out of his diff was amazed how far he got with no CDL, 18 inch tyres and bugger-all ground clerance :twisted:

Another point to ponder here is no CDL can be deadly in a downhill descent. One case in the club we had a few months ago was a D2 without CDL attempted a steep hiill, got stuck halfway up the hill and had to reverse down. The CDL as you know allows both driveshafts to spin simutaneously and you can maintain control of the vehicle. Without CDL, the D2 lost control and ended up sideways on the hill :eek: :eek: :eek: Luclkily nobody got seriously injured and this reassured the imporrtance of a CDL. This was also on a 'begenners' day so there was some intersting driver training to be had here. A seasoned 4WDer would have handled this better but for less experienmnced, this could get very bloody ugly let me tell you.

Still, give me Maxi-Drives any day. At least I can use them when I want not when a ECU tells me I need to.

Re- LPG. It was more the system not the engine so it' not a LR issue, it was the installer. I bought the Disco with LPG on it and it was a great buying point. The advent of GST, rising LPG costs and bugger-all range and if you go outsode of Brisbane you can't always get it was enough to put me off LPG forever.

Trav

[dungarover]

I bet your Diersel pedal hits the floor a lot more than my V8 does... And YES I have driven plenty of Diesels and NO they are not like V8's! Sorry mate.

I agree. I'm having too much fun to give a **** about fuel economy :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Trav

[Reads90]

I agree. I'm having too much fun to give a **** about fuel economy :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Trav


:D :D :D reminds me of a mate who had a TVR Chrimea 5 ltr and another mate (whos was a tight ar*e) used to ask him all the time what mpg it did. He would always reply that when it need more he would just fill it up. He had it fior 3 years and to the complete amazement of my other mate he never knew (or wanted to know) what the mpg was.He was the same think as you . He did not buy it for fuel econmy or shopping:D :D

[cal415]

Nothing wrong with the D2 v8, yep a bit thirsty, but everytime i drive it on the beach i get over that!!

Compared to some of the deisels i have had the displesure of driving on the sand the V8 really loves the it. Although i have yet to drive a chipped td5, the V8 eats the TDIs for breaky on the beach as well as the nearly brand new toyota 4.2 turbo deisel i drove not long ago.