shorty943
12th February 2007, 11:49 PM
:beer:  One 63 Kb txt file, full of beer recipes.:beer: 
Don't ask me! I only found them. May only be of curiosity value.
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#94, 09-10-92 07:21:48
   From: Alan Stauch
     To: Denis Dubuc
Subject: Re: Heineken Beer
Here is a simple, yet very close recipe to Heineken Dark Beer.
Ingredients: One (1) Arkell Kellar Premium Lager 1.8 kg
             1 oz Hallertauer hops
             250 grms of roasted barley
             1 kg dry malt extract
1) Crack the husks of the grains and place same in cheese cloth and knot.
2) Place in 3 litres of boiling water and steep for 30 mins.
3) Add the Arkell lager, the dry malt, and 1/2 oz of hops.
4) Boil for one (1) hour.
5) Put the wort into primary fermenter filled to the 5 gallon mark.
6) Add the remaining 1/2 oz of hops and pitch the yeast.
Proceed as usual.
The only problem with this recipe is you might get a chill haze with the
beer. I don't use Irish Moss but some say to add 1/2 tsp of Irish Moss
to the boil 15 minutes prior to adding the wort to the primary pail.
Enjoy!
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#74, 14-10-92 21:35:20
   From: Rick Garvin                          
     To: Mark Engebretson                     
Subject: boil or not to boil
In response to your request for a Russian Imperial Stout recipe I submit a 
recipe that has done well for me (3 ribbons):
 
9 lbs Extra Dark Dry Malt Extract
3 lbs honey
1/2 lb black patent malt (well crushed)
2 lbs #120 Crystal
 
40 HBU bittering hops
3 oz aroma hops
3 oz dry hop
 
Use whatever yeast you like, and use a lot! This should be fermented in the 
65-72 F range as high gravity worts tend to produce a lot of phenol at warm 
temps. The great amount of hops are neede because of the high gravity. Oh, 
and steap the black malt in one gallon water, bring to a boil (yes, boil... 
black malt has so little husk that boiling is no problem) strain and go as 
for regular brews...
 
                            Cheers
                                Rick
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#96, 16-10-92 10:48:00
   From: Michelangelo Jones
     To: Jerry Kassebaum
Subject: Re:Pumpkin Beer???
 JK> Anyone have a good, tested recipe for pumpkin beer?  About all
 JK> Papazian has is "Used boiled pumpkin.  Spices, too, if you'd like."
 JK> How long do I boil how much pumpkin?  Other specifics, too, please.
 JK> Thanks!
Disclaimer: I've never made pumpkin beer, but I've improvised with
excellent results on several batches.
1. For my tastes, I'd think a pumpkin beer would be best as a dark ale..
   some dark malt, but because of the pumpkin not as much hops...
   perhaps 3/4 Oz. Goldings flavor, 1/3 oz. Saaz aroma. With a truly
   dark malt that won't seem very hoppy.
2. Baked, not boiled, pumpkin would give stronger results in the flavor.
   After baking, take ~1C. of pumpkin out of the skin and put in a muslin
   or cheesecloth bag. Do not mash, but chop into 3/4" cubes.
(To bake pumpkin, cut in half and scrape flesh remove seeds and other
 internals. Place on cookie sheet or aluminum foil, bowl-style, inside up,
 in 350 deg. oven until fork penetrates easily (varies a lot by pumpkin
 size and flesh thickness). Cook a bit less than this for beer purposes
 but leave the rest in to make pie out of or whatever.)
3. After boil, add pumpkin bag, 1T. ground cinnamon, 1t. ground nutmeg,
   fresh if possible. More spice to taste. Allow to cool.
4. Before diluting & pitching yeast, remove pumpkin bag.
OK, so this isn't the tested recipe you asked for. But you should have
good results; I'm enjoying it in my mind already. I think after my next
batch of Ain't Misbehaving I'll try this one myself.
Mike
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#99, 16-10-92 12:01:02
   From: Steve Yelvington                     
     To: Jerry King                           
Subject: Beer, Dark, German Style
Here's a simple recipe for a moderately dark English-style ale.
 
  3.3 lb (1 can) John Bull amber malt extract
  3   lb Munton and Fison dark dry malt extract (powder)
  2   oz Kent Goldings hops
  1   pk Edme ale yeast  
  3/4 cup corn sugar
 
Boil a couple of gallons of water. Remove from heat, add malt. 
Return to heat and boil 30 minutes. Add half the hops. Boil another 
15 minutes and add the rest of the hops. Boil another 15 minutes, then 
cool the wort, pour it into your fermenter, add cold water to bring the 
total volume to 5 gallons, and pitch the yeast when it's at room temp. 
Ferment until the bubbling stops (about a week), then boil a pint of 
water with the corn sugar. Cool it, then mix it with the beer in a 
bottling bucket. Siphon into bottles, cap, and store for at least 
three weeks. 
 
Here's a recipe for a stout that I brewed last July. It's all gone
now, sadly. 
 
   6.6 lb Munton and Fison dark malt extract syrup 
   1/2 lb roast barley grains 
   1/4 lb 2-row malted barley 
   1/4 lb chocolate malt (grain, not milkshakes!) 
   1/2 lb cracked wild rice 
   1.5 oz various hops (cleaning out my cupboard) 
   1   tsp ground cinnamon 
   1/2 cup dark Brer Rabbit molasses 
   2   cups brewed Gevalia coffee 
   1   pk ale yeast 
   3/4 cup corn sugar or 1 cup dried malt extract for bottling
 
As you can see, it's hard to hurt a stout. :-) Steep the grains for 
an hour or so at 150-180 degrees, then drain them into your brewpot 
through a collander. Trickle hot water through them until all the 
sweetness is extracted into the pot. Add your syrup, cinnamon, coffee 
and molasses, and boil for an hour. Toss half the hops in after 30 
minutes, then the rest 5-10 minutes before you're done. Cool, 
transfer to fermenter, add water, add yeast, ferment for a week or so, 
add sugar as in the first recipe, bottle and wait several weeks before 
popping the top. 
 
Note that neither of these are German-style beers. For that, you'll 
need to use a lager yeast and a cold room for fermenting, which will 
take much longer. 
 
If you want to pump up the alcohol content, use more malt extract. 
Note that as you approach 7-8%, the alcohol will tend to kill the 
yeast, and you may have trouble carbonating your beer. Personally, 
I find high-alcohol brews to have an objectionable taste. 
 
If you want darker beers, use more chocolate and/or black patent 
malt. Basically this is malted barley that has been roasted to 
varying degrees of wicked blackness. 
 
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#94, 17-10-92 20:51:04
   From: Rick Garvin
     To: All
Subject: Recipes
I see frequent requests for recipes on the conference. Since I do not 
routinely type up my recipes I do not post everything that I make. 
However, The Barley Corn, an east coast beer newspaper somewhat like The 
Celebrator, commisioned an article on Vienna/Marzen/Oktoberfest from me. 
I humbly post this for your consumption. George Fix's book _Vienna_ has 
greatly influenced my view of what these beers are. So, for further 
reference...
___________________________________
Excerpted from Barley Corn, Vol. 2 No. 5
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Oktoberfest for the Home Brewer
When the general public is asked to name some specialty beer 
styles, one that is frequently mentioned is Oktoberfest. There 
is a folk lore, that has developed by word of mouth, that this 
beer is a special one brewed for a very serious party - the 
annual Munich Oktoberfest. So, for their very own serious 
party,  one of the first specialty beers that home brewers try to 
brew is this Oktoberfest beer.
The beer served at Oktoberfest is actually named Marzen. This 
is the German name for the month of March, but this is actually 
more of a brewing method than a style of beer. Until the 1840s, 
Marzen beer was brewed in the spring and stored in cold 
cellars, ice houses and ice caves in the summers before 
refrigeration was available. Without refrigeration it was 
impossible to brew beer in the summer. So, what was made in 
the spring had to last all summer. The last of this beer was 
drunk at the Oktoberfest. Thus comes the alias: Oktoberfest 
beer. With the advent of refrigeration this long aged beer was 
no longer a necessity. However, beer revolutionaries Anton 
Dreher and Gabriel Sedlmayr recognized the unique 
smoothness and flavor associated with this beer and enabled 
the transition of the Marzen style into the Industrial Age.
In order to reproduce a true Marzen beer we must first define 
what we are trying to make. This beer is an amber, malty, full 
bodied beer with a balanced bitterness and subtle, but 
noticeable noble hop aroma. This translates to a starting 
specific gravity between 1.052 and 1.064 (13-16 Plato), alcohol 
between 4.8 and 6.5%, hopping rate between 6.6 and 8.83 
HBUs (22-28 IBUs), and color between 8 and 12 degrees SRM. 
The most important features of this beer are subjective and 
cannot be easily put into numbers. George Fix in the Brewer's 
Publication book Vienna (highly recommended) states that the 
best descriptors for this beer are elegance, softness, 
complexity, and balance. He believe this is brought about by 
using the highest quality ingredients, long aging, a proper
yeast, and meticulous handling. I believe that meticulous 
handling is the key.
At least 85% of all home brewers never go beyond brewing 
beer with malt extract. There are kits available for Oktoberfest, 
but all of them miss the Marzen mark. I recommend 
Alexander's unhopped pale malt extract in all cases where 
extract is called for. This is the palest extract available. This 
way we can get the color and character that we choose by 
adding our choice of specialty malts, not the manufacturers 
choice. 
I present three Marzen recipes in increasing order of 
challenge. These are based on extract, partial mash, and an all 
grain formulation.
Extract Oktoberfest for 5.5 gallons
2 4 lbs cans Alexander's Unhopped Pale Malt Extract
1 lb 40 Lovibond Crystal Malt
7 HBU noble bittering hops (Saaz, Tettnanger, or Hallertauer) 
for 60 minutes
1/4 oz Saaz aroma hops for 10 minutes
1 tsp. Irish Moss
lager yeast
3/4 cup corn sugar or krausen to bottle
* Original gravity: 1.052
* Terminal gravity: 1.012
Procedure:
 Add the crushed crystal malt to one gallon cold water. 
Slowly bring the water to 165 F, over 30 minutes. Pour the 
grain through a colander, reserving the liquid. Rinse the grain 
with hot water and add all of the collected sweet wort to the 
kettle. Add water to the kettle, reserving space for the extract. 
It is preferable to boil the entire brew. This will make a 
noticeable flavor difference. Bring the water to a boil for 15 
minutes. Remove the pot from the heat, to avoid scorching, 
and add the extract and bittering hops. Boil this mixture for 60 
minutes. 15 minutes before the boil is over add the Irish Moss. 
10 minutes before the boil is over add the aroma hops. Chill 
the beer to 55 F and pitch the yeast. Ferment at between 50 
and 55 F for two weeks. Transfer to a secondary fermenter and 
age for 6 weeks to 6 months at 33 F. Bottle or keg, as desired.
Partial Mash Oktoberfest for 5.5 gallons
1 4 lb can Alexander's Unhopped Pale Malt Extract
1 lb Laaglander Extra Light Dry Malt Extract
3 lbs Pilsener Malt (use Klages or Lager malt as a substitute)
1 lb Cara-Pils Malt
1 lb 40 Lovibond Crystal Malt
8 HBU noble bittering hops (Saaz, Tettnanger, or Hallertauer) 
for 60 minutes
1/4 oz Saaz aroma hops for 10 minutes
1 tsp. Irish Moss
lager yeast
3/4 cup corn sugar or krausen to bottle
* Original Gravity: 1.055
* Terminal Gravity: 1.012
 
Procedure:
  Add 1.33 qts/lb, 6.65 qts, of water at 165 F to the 
crushed grain. Stabilize at 151 F. Mash for 45 minutes, careful 
not to allow the temperature above 158 F. Boost the 
temperature to 160 F and sparge with 6.65 qts water at 165 F. 
Add water, reserving space for the extract, and bring to a boil 
for 30 minutes. Remove the pot from the heat, to avoid 
scorching, and add the extract and bittering hops. Boil this 
mixture for 60 minutes. 15 minutes before the boil is over add 
the Irish Moss. 10 minutes before the boil is over add the 
aroma hops. Chill the beer to 55 F and pitch the yeast. Ferment 
at between 50 and 55 F for two weeks. Transfer to a secondary 
fermenter and age for 6 weeks to 6 months at 33 F. Bottle or 
keg, as desired.
All Grain Oktoberfest for 5.5 gallons
10 lbs Pilsener Malt (use Klages or Lager malt as a substitute)
1 lb Cara-Pils Malt
8 oz 10 Lovibond Crystal Malt
4 oz 60 Lovibond Crystal Malt
4 oz 120 Lovibond Crystal Malt
9 HBU noble bittering hops (Saaz, Tettnanger, or Hallertauer) 
for 60 minutes
1/2 oz Saaz aromatic hops for 10 minutes
1 tsp. Irish Moss
lager yeast
3/4 cup corn sugar or krausen to bottle
* Original Gravity: 1.059
* Terminal Gravity: 1.013
Procedure:
  Perform either a double decoction or a temperature step 
infusion mash. You will get a slightly higher extraction rate 
with the traditional decoction mash, but an equally good beer 
can be made with the simpler infusion mash. Use a 
sacharification rest in the high range, 153 F is a good goal. For 
good references see Brewing Lager Beer by Greg Noonan and 
The Complete Handbook of Home Brewing by Dave Miller. For 
this beer I favor the approach detailed by Miller. I use 1.33 
qts/lb, around 4 gallons, of treated brewing water (preboiled). I 
dough-in with this water at 135 F, stabilizing at 122 F for a 30 
minute protein rest. Immediately boost to 155 F; after 30 
minutes boost to 155F again. Sparge to collect 7 gallons. Boil 
vigorously (very hard) for 30 minutes. Add the bittering hops 
and maintain a rolling boil for 60 minutes. 15 minutes before 
the boil is over add the Irish Moss. 10 minutes before the boil 
is over add the aroma hops. Chill the beer to 55 F and pitch the 
yeast. Ferment at between 50 and 55 F for two weeks. Transfer 
to a secondary fermenter and age for 6 weeks to 6 months at 
33 F. Bottle or keg, as desired.
Notes on Yeast and Fermentation
A real Marzen is fermented at cool temperatures with lager 
yeast. Making an Oktoberfest ale at room temperature with 
these recipes is going to turn out a tasty  beer. But the elegant 
smoothness associated with this beer is going to be missing. 
Even a lagering of 2 weeks is going to make a big difference.
I must warn the home brewer away from dry yeasts. These are 
full of dead yeast and bacteria. The widely available Wyeast 
products are your best bet. The Wyeast No. 2308 is a 
Weihenstephan (the Bavarian National Brewing Academy) 
culture that produces  a slightly fruity beer that is appropriate 
for this style. The Wyeast No. 2206, called the Bavarian lager 
yeast, is another Weihenstephan culture that accentuates malt 
character. In preparing the Wyeast cultures it is important to 
pitch an appropriate quantity. I recommend that the home 
brewer begin the process 1 week before the brew date. Whack 
the package as per the instructions. If the yeast is fresh the 
package will be swollen within 48 hours. Prepare 1/2 gallon of 
yeast starter by boiling 8 oz (weight) of dry malt extract in 
water. Inoculate the chilled starter with the yeast from the 
package. Ferment with an air lock until the yeast flocculates. 
This should provide you with around 15 grams of yeast slurry. 
To pitch the yeast pour the beer off and add the yeast 
sediment to the fermenter with your beer. It is very important 
to oxygenate your beer. This can be done by, carefully, 
pouring your chilled wort from a great height into the 
fermenter.  All of the dissolved oxygen will be metabolized by 
the yeast within 5 minutes. This amount of yeast, with good 
oxygenation, will give you a quick start at 55 F. If you choose 
to use less yeast, or have poor oxygenation, you will have a 
slower start, especially at cooler temperatures.
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#76, 22-10-92 00:15:00
   From: Mark Melanson                        
     To: All                                  
Subject: Pumpkin Beer
Re: Pumpkin Beer
By: David Burns #0 @1:150/2 FIDOnet     
 
> Every time I walk past a nearby grocery store and see all the pumpkins out
> front for 9 cents/lb, I keep thinking about what it would taste like in a 
bee
> Does anybody have a good recipe for a pumpkin ale?
From Cat's Meow II
Chapter 13: Historical Interest
                              Pumpkin Ale
Source: Thomas Manteufel (tomm@pet.med.ge.com)
Digest: Issue #748, 10/25/91
Receipt for Pompion Ale:
Let the Pompion be beaten in a Trough and pressed as Apples. The expres-
sed Juice is to be boiled in a Copper a considerable Time and  carefully
skimmed  that there may be no Remains of the fibrous Part of  the  Pulp.
After  that Intention is answered let the Liquor be hopped  cooled  fer-
mented &c. as Malt Beer.
Comments:
An  anonymous  recipe  for pumpkin ale appeared in  the  papers  of  the
American Philosophical Society in February, 1771. The author notes  that
he  obtained this recipe from someone who claimed this tasted like  malt
ale,  with  only a slight "twang". After two years in the  bottle,  this
twang had mellowed to an acceptable level.
And this tidbit from The New Complete Joy of Homebrewing:
Use cooked pumpkin and add it to a mash with active enzymes. Do not use
canned pumpkin to which preservatives have been added. Feel free to throw in
some pumpkin pie spices (ginger, cinnamon, allspice, nutmeg, cloves).
I could have sworn I saw a recipe around here. Oh well. Hope this helps.
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#84, 22-10-92 09:32:00
   From: Pat Goulding                         
     To: David Burns
Subject: Re: pumpkin beer
 DB> about what it would taste like in a beer. Does anybody have
 DB> a good recipe for a pumpkin ale?
6# light Dried Malt extract
1.5 oz Mt Hood pellets
 .5 oz Tettnager pellets
6#  pumpkin
1 Burton water slats
1 tsp Irish moss
.5 tsp Vanilla extract or .5 Vanill bean cut open
1 tsp Cinnamon
.5 tsp each Nutmeg, Allspice, Mace
.25 tsp Clove (ground)
Wyeast 1007 or 1214
Peel and seed pumpkin and bake @ 350 until soft.  Heat 1.5 Gal. water
add malt, Mt Hood hops and pumpkin - boil for 30.  Add salts and moss boil
for 15 more.  Add finish hops boil for 5 min.  Strain cool and pitch.
Add spices to SECONDARY.  Prime .75 C corn sugar bottle and age for 3 to 4
weeks.
Recipe shamelessly stolen from Beer & Wine Hobby recipe of the month.
I haven't tried this.
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#81, 12-08-92 18:04:00
   From: Roy Rudebusch
     To: All                                  
Subject: Munich dunkel recipe
Dear Fellow Zymurgists;
I would like to share my recipe for a Dunkel (yet to be brewed.)
This is one of the most difficult brews to brew _properly_. Homebrewers have 
a tendency to use too much crystal in order to achieve the malty flavor and 
aroma. And roasted grains, ie. black, roasted and chocolate, should be used 
with a light hand also.
The malty character is achieved by using quality German 2-row and by 32-34F 
lagering for at least 4 weeks.
Munich dark (dunkel):
5 gal OG 1050 TG 1014-1016
7.75# Ireks (German) Pilsner 2-row malt
1/2# Dark Ireks Crystal (60L)
1/2# M&F (English) dark caramel (60L)
4 oz M&F Black Patent (if domestic use only 2 oz.) 6 HBU Hall 60 min. Mash at 
152F for 1 hour Good lager W-yeast (2206) ferment at 57F Max  50F min
For a partial mash, substitute a high quality pale unhopped malt extract, 
like Northwestern Golden, be sure it is _fresh_! (6.6#) for the Pilsner pale 
malt.
Prosit!
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#87, 05-07-92 11:45:00
   From: Roy Rudebusch
     To: Charles King
Subject: Recipe request
CK----I recently tried a few mugs of German made SPATEN dark, and immediately
CK----fell in love with the taste.  Does anyone have a recipe that CK----will
produce a brew similar to SPATEN dark?  Thanks..
You just don't ask for too much do you?
This is one of the most difficult brews to brew _properly_. Homebrewers have 
a tendency to use too much crystal in order to achieve the malty flavor and 
aroma.
The malty character is achieved by using quality German 2-row and by 32-34F 
lagering for at least 4 weeks. And, of course, doing everything else right.
Munich dark (dunkel):
5 gal OG 1050 TG 1014-1016
7.75# Ireks (German) Pilsner 2-row malt
1/2# Dark Ireks Crystal (60L)
1/2# M&F (English) dark caramel (60L)
4 oz M&F Black Patent (if domestic use only 2 oz.) 6 HBU Hall 60 min. Good 
lager W-yeast (2206) Mash at 152F for 1 hour
If you was to go with a partial mash, substitute a high quality pale unhopped 
malt extract (6.6#) for the Pilsner pale malt.
Cheers and Good Luck to ya'!
Roy Rudebusch
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#91, 24-08-92 06:48:00
   From: Roy Rudebusch                        
     To: Tom Hamp                             
Subject: Coffee stout
Coffee Stout
5 gal OG 1056
6.6# Pale Extract
  1# Dk Crystal
  1# 2-row
1/2# Black Patent
8-12 HBUs for bittering
Mash and sparge grains at 150F. Top up to 5 gal. Bring to boil add hops, boil 
30 min. Add extract, boil 10 min. For finishing add:
  1 pot good black coffee (hold the cream and sugar)
  1/2 oz Cascade pellets
Boil two min, then chill.
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#100, 28-08-92 18:30:42
   From: Mike Snyder                          
     To: Roy Rudebusch                        
Subject: Root beer
Category 8,  Topic 12
Message 90        Sun Jun 21, 1992
B.CAPLAN [GOODTIME Bob]      at 17:41 EDT
 
 I was asked to add the Alcoholic Root Beer recipe from the "Winners" book.
 Here it is:
 
                       Hi-Res Root Beer
                       Wayne Waananen
                       Denver, Colorado
                    First Place, Herb Beer, 1987
                       (extract recipe)
 
 Ingredients for 5 gallons
      3 pounds Munton & Fison amber dry malt extract
  2 1/5 pounds Premier hopped malt extract ssyrup
    1/2 pound crystal malt
    1/4 pound chocolate malt
  1 1/2 teaspoons Zatarain's root beer extract
      1 teaspoon Irish moss (30 minutes)
       1 ounce Cascade leaf hops (60 minutes)
     1/2 ounce Cascade leaf hops (10 minutes)
     1/2 ounce Cascade leaf hops (after boil)
       2 packages Muntona yeast
     2/3 cup dextrose to prime
 
  *Original specific gravity: 1.045
  *Teminal specific gravity: 1.018
  *Age when judged (since bottling): 2 months
 
 Brewers specifics
      Added 1/4 teaspoon root beer extract last 10 minutes of boil.
 After 10 minutes removed from heat, added last of hops and force-
 cooled with wort chiller.  After reaching 90 degrees F (about 15
 minutes) sparged into carboy and pitched yeast.  Racked into
 secondary at seven days. At keging added 1/4 teaspoon root beer
 extract along with dextrose.
 
 So there you go.... happy brewing!!!
 
 GOODTIME Bob
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#97, 01-09-92 10:15:06
   From: Tom Jeffrey                          
     To: Patrick Dubois                       
Subject: RE: Specialty Beers!
Here's one form The Cat's Meow 2.
                                    Spiced Ale
     Source: Ken Weiss (krweiss@ucdavis.edu)
     Digest: Issue #743, 10/18/91
     Ingredients:
             7 pounds      amber liquid extract (Alexanders, I think)
             2 pounds      crystal malt, cracked
             1 pound       chocolate malt, cracked
             2 ounces      Hallertauer hops
             2 ounces      Saaz hops
             4 ounces      fresh ginger, grated
             2 tablespoons ground cinnamon
             1 pint        starter of Wyeast American Ale yeast
     Procedure:
     Steep  crystal  and chocolate malt in hot, but not  boiling,  water  for
     about  1/2 hour. Strain out grains, sparge with hot water. Add  extract,
     stir until dissolved. Bring to a boil and add all the Hallertauer  hops,
     the  ginger and the cinnamon.  Boil 1 hour. Chill the wort, transfer  to
     primary,  and  add  Saaz hops. Pitch the yeast.  When  the  fermentation
     slows,  transfer to secondary fermentor. Prime with 3/4 cup  corn  sugar
     and bottle when fermentation appears complete.
     Comments:
     Really  nice  balance of flavors. The dry-hopped Saaz blended  with  the
     ginger and cinnamon aroma really well, and the ginger flavor is perfect.
     The  cinnamon didn't contribute much flavor, and seems to have led to  a
     muddier beer than I usually get. Probably would have been better to  use
     stick  cinnamon  instead of ground... The color is much lighter  than  I
     would have expected.
    Tom Jeffrey
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#92, 02-09-92 09:02:04
   From: Andy Schoenhofer                     
     To: Kevin Doshier                        
Subject: Octoberfest
KD>    Since October seems to be rolling around I wanted to try an
  >Octoberfest brew.  Does anyone have a recipe that makes a good
  >Octoberfest brew?? I would reallt appreciate it!!
According to what I read in Miller's Guide to World Beers, a
Maerzen is a type of Oktoberfest beer. It was trditionally brewed
in spring for consumption in fall, so I guess it's perfect.
In that case, the Papazian recipe for Winky Dink Maerzen works
pretty good (p. 164 in TCJOHB). Here's what I used in my recipe
and it turned out good (not too carbonated, but I think I filled
the bottles up too much -- it's only my sixth batch. Nice creamy
head though.):
1.8 kg light Bierkeller malt extract
1.3 kg WineArt light dry extract
2.5 oz Hallertauer hops
250 g crystal malt (0.5 lb)
0.5 cup chocolate malt
yeast
1.25 cups light dry malt extract for priming
OG 1.042
FG 1.012
Papazian calls for 7 lbs of Bavarian Gold malt extract, but it was
cheaper for me to use some dry and I couldn't find Bavarian Gold
here in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada. My amount added up to 6.84 lbs.
I used Papazian's simple method of adding the cystal and
chocolate malt to 6 qts of cold water in the brew kettle,
straining most of it out after it boils and then adding the malt
extract and 2 oz of the hops. After an hour or so, add the
remaining hops for the last 2-5 minutes, sparge into fermenter,
top up and pitch the yeast when it's cooled.
No doubt some advantage might be realized by holding the mash at
various temperatures instead of just heating steadily to boiling.
I don't think it'd be much different with this small amount of
grain though.
Ends up a nice dark colour that you could adjust by reducing the
chocolate and bumping up the crystal maybe. I brewed it June 18
and the bottle I had yesterday was beautiful -- took about three
weeks to get rid of its latent sweetness from the malt priming (I
figure) and now it's very smooth and clear.
Now I'm trying to decide which Guinness Stout recipe I should try
from the five I have. What's a hobby without decisions?
        Andy
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#10, 14-05-93 15:34:00
   From: Eric Knudsen
     To: All
Subject: STALE AMBER BEER (1)
An Eighteenth Century Beer
     No-one knows what the the brews of two centuries ago were
like. Eighteenth century brewing practice was different from
twentieth, or even most nineteenth century technique. To produce
a beer that approximates those of the eighteenth century it is
necessary to consider how the beer was made, and then try to 
guess what effect this would have. Porter, for example, would be 
unlike the modern brews of that name. It would be very strong and 
full bodied, and, as it was brewed solely with brown malt,  have 
an intense caramel taste, with none of the burnt flavours 
associated with more highly coloured modern specialty malts. Most 
surprisingly, it would also have a strong, and perhaps 
intimidating, smoked flavour. I have chosen stale amber ale as my 
objective, as it is easier to imitate with modern ingredients 
than most other brews, was highly regarded in the eighteenth 
century, and, I hate smoky beers!
     Eighteenth century malts were kilned on screens over an open 
fire, with the smoke passing directly through the grain. Coke, an 
easily regulated fuel which produces very little smoke to flavour 
or colour the grain, was used for pale and amber malts. Darker 
malts were kilned over less controllable fires of straw, wood, or 
fern, which introduced smoky flavours, and if the grain was to be 
adequately dried, then it was inevitable that some of it would be 
scorched. Before the commercial production of coke began in 1680, 
all British ales were medium brown or darker in colour.  Except 
for London, where massed produced porters brewed with brown malt 
dominated, most preferred the lighter malts:
     "The amber-coloured is that which is dried in a medium 
degree, between the pale and brown, as is very much in use, as 
being free from either extreme. Its colour is pleasant, its taste 
is agreeable, and its nature wholesome, which makes it preferred 
by many as the best of malts."
     Smoke flavoured beers have recently become popular with some 
homebrewers, but eighteenth century opinion was not as 
favourable:
     "Pale and amber malts dried with coke  ..., obtain a more 
clean, bright, pale colour, than if dried with any other fuel, 
because there is not smoke to darken and sully their skins or 
husks, and give them an ill relish which those malts have, more 
or less, that are dried with straw, wood, or fern. The coke or 
Welsh coal also makes more true and complete malt than any other 
fuel, because its fire gives both a gentle and certain heat, 
whereby the corns in all their parts gradually dried; and 
therefore of late these malts have gained such a reputation, that 
great quantities have been consumed in most parts of the nation 
for their wholesome nature and sweet fine taste."
     "Brown malts are dried with straw, wood, and fern , the 
straw dried is best; the wood sort has a most ungrateful taste, 
and few can bear it, but the necessitous, and those that are 
accustomed to its strong smoky tang; yet it is much used in some 
of the western parts of England. The fern malt is also attended with a 
rank disagreeable taste from the smoke of this vegetable." 
     All eighteenth century malts were diastasic malts - that is, 
they contained diastasic enzymes and could be mashed to produce 
sweet wort.  Brewers normally used only one specific type of malt 
for each kind of beer, ale or porter. Our modern highly flavoured 
and coloured specialty malts were not possible until D. Wheeler 
invented the cylindrical drum roaster incorporating water sprays 
in 1816, which allowed the very precise roasting of malts. 
Attempts to produce malt darker than brown malt over an open fire 
resulted in a runaway reaction which reduced the malt to charcoal 
or ashes. During the nineteenth century brewers moved to more 
efficient recipes that used pale malt as a source of enzymes and 
starch, with very small additions of non-diastasic specialty 
malts and grains to adjust the colour and flavour.
     Modern brewers use a single mash followed by sparging, which 
rinses the remaining sugars from the grain. Sparging became 
normal practice only in the nineteenth century, previously 
multiple mashes were used to maximize sugar extraction. Double 
mashes were most common, but sometimes there were as many as four 
consecutive mashes of the same malt. The wort produced by each 
mash was brewed separately. The first mashes would contain most 
of the extractable sugars, the wort from the final mashes was 
used to produce small beer or ale. Much of the small beer was 
consumed by children, it was considered more wholesome than 
water. The starting gravity of the beer brewed from the main or 
first mash was typically between 1.075 and 1.110, that of the 
small ale or beer brewed from the second mash about 1.035 to 
1.055, similar to the strength of modern beer. For the 
homebrewer, malt extract makes it easy to obtain the high 
gravities required, without having to make a secondary brew to 
use up the otherwise wasted sugars. It is no longer considered 
politically correct to use children to consume the surplus small 
beer.
     The hops used in the eighteenth century were presumably low 
in bitterness, like the traditional Goldings and Fuggles strains, 
which were originally used as bittering hops as well as for 
aroma. Modern high alpha strains should be avoided. It was 
recommended that  several additions of hops should be made:
     "... we advise the boiling [of] two parcels of fresh hops in 
each copper of ale-wort; and, if there were three for keeping 
beer, it would be so much the better for the taste, health of 
body, and longer preservation of the beer in a sound smooth 
condition."
     "Hops have a fine grateful bitter, which makes the drink 
easy of digestion; they also keep it from running into such 
cohesions as would make it ropy, vapid, and sour; and therefore 
are not only of great use in boiled, but in raw worts, and to 
preserve them sound till they can be put into the copper, and 
afterwards in the tun, while the drink is working."
     Up to the late nineteenth century, the word stale meant old 
and mature, and stale beer was more expensive than new beer. This 
beer was originally brewed using only amber malt;  the beer's 
name refers to the type of malt used rather than the colour of 
the beer, which is darker than a modern bitter but lighter than 
most modern brown ales. Modern amber malt is intended to be used 
in small quantities to modify the colour and flavour of a brew. 
It has few diastasic properties, and cannot be used as the sole 
source of malt in a brew. It cannot be substituted for eighteenth 
century amber malt. The mixture of pale malt extract, crystal 
malt, and chocolate malt used in this recipe is an attempt to 
approximate the flavour and taste of the original malt. Additions 
such as black malt or roasted barley should be avoided as they 
would introduce  anachronistic burnt flavours. This is a beer 
rather than an ale. In the eighteenth century beers were much 
more highly hopped than ales, and were usually of a higher 
gravity. Beers were  more suited to long storage and being served 
stale than were ales. Before the sixteenth century, ales were 
usually not hopped at all.
     I suspect an eighteenth century brewer would find this 
recipe rather weak, more suited to being given to the scullery 
maids for breakfast than served to the high table with dinner. 
The only excuse I can offer is that we live in less heroic times.
     I used two main sources of information for this article. The 
first (1771) edition of the Encycopaedia Britannica was an 
ambitious project attempting to record the world's accumulated 
knowledge - the first volume only covers subjects beginning with 
A and B. Then the money ran out, and all other subjects were 
compressed into just two additional volumes! Fortunately, brewing 
begins with the letter B, and is covered in detail. All quotes 
are from this source. Old British Beers and How to Make Them was 
written by Dr. John Harrison and members of the Durden Park Beer 
Club after years of research and practical experimentation.
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#11, 14-05-93 15:35:00
   From: Eric Knudsen                         
     To: All                                  
Subject: STALE AMBER BEER (2)
                      Stale Amber Beer 
 Ingredients: To brew four Imperial gallons, (or five U.S. 
gallons) with a starting gravity of 1.065, and a final gravity of 
1.015.
 7 lb.   United Canadian Malt Ltd. dried pale malt extract (made 
         in England)
 1 lb.   Canada Malting Co. Ltd. Carastan (Crystal) malt (40 L)
 4 oz.   Chocolate malt
 1 tsp.  Calcium Sulphate (gypsum water treatment)
 1 tsp.  Irish Moss (copper finings)
 4 oz.   Willamette Hops (loose from Freshops 4.4% Alpha Acid - 
         add just after the beginning of the boil) 
 1 oz.   Fuggles Hops (loose from Freshops - 4.2% AA - add 15 
         min. from end of boil)
 1 oz.   Tettnanger Hops (loose from Freshops - 5.1% AA - add at 
         end of boil)
 1 pkg   Wyeast 1098 liquid ale yeast culture
Procedure:
     Crush the crystal and chocolate malt coarsely. Steep malt in 
two quarts warm (not boiling) water to which a quarter teaspoon 
of calcium sulphate has been added (this will limit the amount of 
tannin leached from the husks). After fifteen minutes, strain out 
husks and pour the resulting extract into the boiling vessel, 
along with four Imperial gallons of water, the remaining calcium 
sulphate, and the dry malt extract. Boil wort fifteen minutes and 
then add the Willamette hops. Continue to boil for  ah hour and a 
half, add the Irish moss and the Fuggles hops, and then boil for 
a final fifteen minutes (total boil time is two hours). Add the 
Tettnanger hops as the heat is turned off.
     Cool wort rapidly, strain out hops and trub, aerate (stir in 
air) and then pour into a standard four imperial gallon/five U.S. 
gallon carboy with the activated yeast and enough water to fill 
carboy completely (a pail could be used as a container for the 
first stage of fermentation if you wish).  Ferment in a cool dark 
place for one week  - using first an overflow tube, and when 
fermentation subsides, an airlock to seal the carboy.
     Siphon beer into another identical carboy. Cooled boiled 
water should be added to ensure carboy is completely filled. Age 
at least four months before kegging or bottling. If the ale is to 
be kept for more than a year before it is consumed, an excellent 
idea if you have sufficient patience, it develops a more complex, 
vinous flavour. I am not using any priming as it will be served 
from a soda keg with minimal carbonation. If bottling you could 
add about two and a half to three ounces of demerara sugar. It 
would be a good idea to add a fresh yeast culture at the same 
time to get consistent carbonation. 
     In the eighteenth century this type of beer was served in 
pewter or ceramic tankards at cellar temperature. Haze was not a 
problem. The more cautious modern brewer, who may not be able to 
control serving temperature, or is offering the beer to tacky 
drinkers who insist on being able to see what they are consuming, 
may add two tablespoons of polyclar to the secondary.
     This beer was brewed in the middle of January, 1993, and 
will be served on tap at CAMRA Ottawa's Spring Homebrew 
Competition. It will be held by the Ottawa Homebrew Committee on 
May 29, 1993, 7:00 PM at the Dempsey Community Centre, Russell 
Road, Ottawa.
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#65, 27-05-93 18:52:46
   From: John Eustace                         
     To: Kevin Mott                           
Subject: English Brown Ale
On (Tue 25 Ma) Kevin Mott wrote to All...
 KM> Does anyone out there have a good traditional English Brown Ale recipe
 KM> they 
 KM> want to share?  I've got Papazian's book but one of the local gurus 
 KM> (brew-ru's?) said that his recipes were not representitive of the
 KM> stated 
 KM> styles.
I agree with the "local guru" of brew.  Miller, however, is quite true
to style.  What follows is his extract recipe for Brown Ale (actually
Mild):
Ingredients:
3.3 lbs unhopped British Malt extract syrup
1 lb British Pale dry extract
8 oz British Crystal Malt
4 oz chocolate malt
1 lb dark brown sugar (added to wort)
6 AAUs Fuggles, Goldings, or Northern Brewer
1 tsp Yeast nutrient
2 Packets of Munton & Fison Yeast or 1 packet of either EDME or
Whitbread (If you use liquid yeasts, Wyeast #1098 will give you an
appropriate flavour profile for the style).
(Note: there are no finishing hops in a traditional British Brown Ale.
If you'd like finishing hops in there, I'd recommend a 1/2 oz of
Goldings.  That would make for a very light hoppy aroma, suitable to
style.)
Cheers
JE
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#69, 26-05-93 16:34:00
   From: Kent Taylor                          
     To: Rodney Green                         
Subject: ENGLISH ESB
Rodney:
I am glad everyone enjoyed the ESB, it sure was a hit around here.  I have
just recently brewed an American Red and an American Brown using this same
basic recipe.  They all turned out very nicely.  So, I think that you will
be able to duplicate this with the same results.
Grain:
Klages pale malt       7 lbs  3 oz
Cara Pils - dextrin    1 lbs  6 oz
Crystal 40l                  15 oz
Mash water:  After adding 1 tsp. of gypsum I adjusted the pH to 5.53 and
heated to 170 degrees. I added approximately 11 quarts of water to the
grist.
Mash:  Strike temperature was 154 degrees and a pH of 5.19.  Mash time - 2
hours.
Sparge:  Sparge water pH was adjusted to 5.45 and heated to 180 degrees in
order to achieve a final sparge strike temp. of 170 degrees and grain was
sparged for 45 min.
Boil:  I added 1 tsp of gypsum at the beginning and 1 tsp of irish moss at
30 before the end.  Total boil time was 75 minutes.
Hops:  Willamette 4.3 alpha - 2 oz at 60 minutes(before end)
       Willamette 4.3 alpha - 1 oz at 15 min
       Tettnanger 4.2 alpha(whole) - 1 oz at End
Yeast:  Chico 1056 Wyeast in a starter.  I have had just as good of luck, if
not better, with 1028 London ale yeast in a starter.
Original gravity:1.049   pH:4.96    Terminal gravity:1.013   pH:4.48
Fermentation: In soda keg - 10 days - 60 degrees.
After fermentation: One week at 32-34 degrees
Filter:  Beer was filtered through a .5 micron absolute cartridge type
filter.
Carbonation:  Chilled beer (32-34 degrees) was put under 10psi and rocked
200+ times.
 
All strike temps are critical but start temps should be adjusted to your
brewing methods.
After initial blow-off period I closed the keg and periodically let out CO2
to maintain 13-14psi. When temp was dropped to 32-34 I would periodically
add CO2 to maintain 10psi.  Be carefull, if you do not let the CO2 out often
enough then you will over carbonate the beer.  I did that once and had to
reattach the blow-off tube.
If I have forgotten anything, please post me a note.
BTW: I got the ribbon and score sheets - thanks.  Did you say something
about a mug?
Good brewing.
KT
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#70, 03-06-93 19:47:16
   From: Luke Enriquez                        
     To: All                                  
Subject: Melomel Recipe (LONG)
Hello All!
I found this in a mead lovers digest archive from Internet. I thought you
might be interested.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:53:37 EDT
From: loc@bostech.com
Subject: plum melomel recipe (long)
I've gotten a few requests to post this recipe.  I've added some of my
process also to give you an idea of my mead making.  As you read this
you'll see that I make a product which is alot like wine.
Some general comments about the recipe.  If you want the end product
to be sweeter you can add more honey.  But do not get the original
gravity above 1.100 or you will have problems with stuck fermentation
or sluggish fermentation.  You can add an much as 50lbs of plums if
you want this to be _really_ plummy.  Relative to original gravity,
the higher the gravity the longer the product will need to bottle age.
I use acid blend to balance out the end product.  This is strickly a
personal preference.  If you really want to get into it and check the
SO2 levels there are test kits available for that, this will ensure
that you have the right amount of sulfites for the end product you are
making.
Having made these statements here is my recipe for Plum Melomel.
Enjoy!
Plum Melomel
To make: 5 gallons
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
7.5lbs Citrus Honey (Orange Blossom is the best or whatever   )
                    (honey you like to use                    )
25-30lbs Plums (halved and pitted is best, but at least halved)
               (if you can freeze them for a couple of weeks  )
               (before you use them you'll get a better juice )
               (yield because freezing breaks down the cell   )
               (walls                                         )
3-4 tsp. Yeast Nutrient
1 pkg    Pectic Enzyme
1 pkg    Champagne Yeast
         Acid Blend (you'll need an Acid Testing Kit to       )
                    (determine how much to add.  amounts      )
                    (depend greatly on the plums              )
The Day Before:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Start the yeast by boiling 1.5cup of orange juice with 1.5 cup of
water.  Take it off the heat and add 1 tsp of yeast nutrient.  Cool
the mixture.  When cool put into a sulfited bottle add the yeast and
agitate occasionally over the next 24 hours.
The Day of:
~~~~~~~~~~~
Make sure the plums are at room temp do not heat them to do
this, just let them come up to room temp naturally.  Dissolve the
honey in 2 gallons of water, do not let it boil, just get the water
hot enough to dissolve the honey.  Combine the plums, honey water,
yeast nutrient, pectic enzyme and 2 more gallons of water in a large
open primary fermenter.  Mix well and take a gravity reading add water
until the gravity reading is between 1.080 and 1.090.(I believe 1
pint of water will drop 1 gallon of must 0.010, I can't remember
exactly)  Once the gravity is correct add the yeast stir it up cover
lightly.  Stir the fruit down twice a day, once in the AM and once in
the PM.
Some Days Later:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Check the gravity after about 5 days.  When the gravity reaches 1.020,
rack and press the must into a sulfited glass secondary fermenter and
add 1/2 camdon('sp) tablet per gallon of must to prevent oxidation.  If the
fermenter is not full to within 1/2" of the lip use sulfited marbles
to make up the difference.  Fit a fermentation lock on the bottle and
let it rip.
When the gravity reaches 1.000 rack again into a clean sulfited carboy
again adding 1/2 camdon('sp) tablet per gallon for the same reason.  Again
if the mead does not come within 1/2" of the lip use sulfited marbles
to make up the difference.  Test the acid level at this point using
your handy dandy acid testing kit and adjust the acid to a level of
 .55.  The kit will tell you given what your acid level is at how much
to add.
When the fermentation stops, let it sit for a few days to let the lees
settle out.  Rack into a clean sulfited carboy adding 1 camdon('sp) tablet
per gallon of product and fine with a Bentonite mixture.  Let this sit
for 10 days.  Rack the final product (leaving the lees behind as
usual) into a clean sulfited carboy and let bulk age for three months.
If you have a spare frig you can put the carboy in, the last month of
the bulk age put the mead in the frig to chill proof it.
Bottling:
~~~~~~~~~
If you are lucky enough to have a wine filter. Filter the mead with
fine filters and bottle.  Let bottle age for at least 6 months (1 year
is better). Enjoy.
- -----------------------------------------------------------
Roger Locniskar                  Boston Technology Inc.
<loc@bostech.com>                Wakefield, MA  01880
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Regards,
Luke
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#73, 04-06-93 23:36:02
   From: Luke Enriquez                        
     To: All                                  
Subject: Cloning Sierra Nevada Pale Ale...
Hello All!
        Most of us here dont have access to the Home Brewing Digesr of 
Internet. While it was agreed some time ago, that it would be too costly to 
feed all of the HBD into this echo, I feel sorry for those who cant get to 
it. Therefore, I hope you dont mind if I "snip" the best articles from the 
HBD,
and repost them here for all to see. I dont want to do this is people are
going to start flames about it, etc. That would end up worse than the 
benefits.
But if no one objects, I cant see any problems involved! All feedback 
welcomed!
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Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 10:12:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: tony@spss.com (Tony Babinec 312 329-3570)
Subject: snpa revisited
Here is some info and speculation on Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and how
one might try to clone it.  SNPA is surely worth emulating, yet it
has an elegance of flavor that is a bit elusive.  I can't claim to
have cloned it, but am iterating toward it!
Note that Sierra Nevada Draught Ale is SG 1.048 while Sierra Nevada
Pale Ale (bottled) is SG 1.052.  The Draught also tastes a bit
sweeter to me than the bottled.
Malts used are U.S. 2-row, dextrin malt (U.S. cara-pils), and
crystal malt.  I don't know the proportions used at Chico, but it
seems to me that you shouldn't be too heavy-handed with the crystal
malt, as I don't find a pronounced caramel flavor in SNPA, in
contrast to, say, Mendocino's Red Tail Ale.
Hops are Perle for bittering and Cascade for flavor/aroma.  Perles
are a fine general-purpose medium-alpha bittering hop, while
Cascades are signature hops in SNPA, Liberty Ale, and other
American pale ales.
Yeast is Wyeast "American" ale or bottle-cultured SNPA.
An all-grain recipe for a 5-gallon batch goes as follows (your
mileage may vary):
8 pounds U.S. 2-row pale malt
1 pound U.S. cara-pils
0.5 pounds crystal malt 80L
0.8 ounces Perle (alpha 6.5) at 60 minutes
0.5 ounces Cascade (alpha 6.3) at 30 minutes
0.5 ounces Cascade (alpha 6.3) at 2 minutes
0.5 ounces Cascade final addition (see below)
yeast is Chico yeast
In the mash, aim for a starch conversion temperature of 153 - 155
degrees F for some residual sweetness in the beer.  As for the hop
schedule, factors such as hop freshness and vigor of boil will
affect the final beer.  To my palate, SNPA is a medium-bitter beer,
not high-bitter beer, so something like 35 IBUs seems to be a good
target.
Regarding that final hop addition, I believe that Chico runs the
hot wort through a hopback with some fresh hops in it, so you might
rig up a homebrewer's gadget equivalent of a hopback.  Or, you
might add the final addition at flame off and let the hot wort sit
for 10 minutes with the lid on before chilling.  Or, you might try
dry-hopping.  I'm not claiming that these will produce an
equivalent effect, but they are all attempts to give the beer some
of the requisite hop flavor and aroma.
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Hope it lead to some enlightenment...
Regards,
Luke
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#73, 10-06-93 11:00:36
   From: James Sparks                         
     To: All                                  
Subject: Smithwick type
 This is a nice pale ale that closely resembles Smithwicks  :-)
Crystal malt 500 g
Caramel malt 200 g
Chocolate malt 100 g
Flaked barley 120 g
Goldings LEAF hops 1 3/4 oz Boil
East Kent Golding LEAF hops 1/2 oz finishing
Burton Water Salts 20 g (for Kingston water)
Munton and Fison Unhopped Light Malt Extract 3 kg
Andovin super nutrient 2 tsp
Yeast Lab liquid yeast (A05) Irish Ale.
OR WYeast (1338) European Ale.
Munton and Fison Light Dry malt 2 cups (for priming bottles)
Lightly crush malt grains and add to 15 liters of water.  Add flaked barley 
and bring to boil.  Strain out grains and barley.  Add Boiling hops and boil 
for 40 min. and remove.  Add finishing hops and boil for 10 min. and remove.  
Move to fermenting pail and add water to the 23 liter mark and pitch yeast 
when temp is 20 C. HINT - A NYLON GRAIN BAG AND HOP BAGS COME IN HANDY.
O.G. 1.045
Enjoy and Cheers !
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#51, 10-06-93 23:19:00
   From: Mark Engebretson                     
     To: All                                  
Subject: stout recipe
For those of you collecting recipes...I offer this:
        Mark's Oatmeal Butterscotch Chewies
Ingredients:
        6 lbs Great Western 2 row
        1 lb Munich Malt 10L
        1 lb Vienna
        1 lb Crystal 80L
        1/2 lb Chocolate Malt
        3/4 lb Roasted Barley
        1/4 lb Black Patent
        4 lbs Pale Malt Extract
        1 inch licorice
        1 1/2 lb Quaker Old Fashion Oats
        1 cup Mild Molasses
        1 lb Brown Sugar
        2 oz Galena Hops (pellets) @12.8%
        Wyeast 1084 Irish Ale
        1/2 cup Corn Sugar for priming
Procedure:
        I used a David Miller style mash, using a strike temperature of
136F and immediately raising to 156F for the starch rest.  At 45
minutes, the mash passed the iodine test (GW is a fast converter).  All
grains and Oatmeal were mashed together.  Oatmeal makes for a slow
sparge. I did the mash with 3 gallons of water and sparged with six.  I
ended up with 6 gallons of wort.  This was a bit much, as I was aiming
for five.  The problem was that I failed to take into account the 4 lbs
of extract (not really a problem :-}).  Next time I will cut the sparge
to 5 gallons. I brewed for 75 minutes, the hops, extract, molasses,
brown sugar, and licorice were added at the 60 minute mark.
Comments:
        I bottled this one just a week ago, and it tastes excellent.  In
fact, it was smooth at bottling.  I have never had a stout taste so good
so young!  Must be the Oatmeal.  It cleanly coats the throat.  No
excessive bitterness, or burned flavor.  Lots of flavor, but very well
balanced.
Warning:
        For novice brewers (I still consider myself novice), I have a
few words of advice.  When brewing with Oatmeal, or at least this
recipe, use a full size 1 1/4" blow-off hose.  The oatmeal makes for a
very foamy blow-off while the high gravity and Wyeast 1084 creates a lot
of energy.
Specifics:
        Original Gravity: 1.084 (6 gallons)
        Final Gravity: 1.023 (about 8% alc by vol)
        Primary Ferment: 8 days
--- RAMail 3.2
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#73, 10-06-93 11:37:00
   From: Luke Enriquez                        
     To: Tony Laughton                        
Subject: Oktoberfest - Recipe Ideas
Hello Tony!
This might answer your question a bit easier.
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 14:04:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: tony@spss.com (Tony Babinec 312 329-3570)
Subject: oktoberfest recipe ideas
Most German Oktoberfest beers have a starting gravity of 1.052 -
1.055, which puts them more in line with the AHA "Vienna" style.
These beers are amber-colored (aim for 10L - 12L), malt-accented
lagers.  From the point of view of recipe formulation, you have the
choice of using crystal malts, munich malt, or some combination.
In their book, George and Laurie Fix present recipes using crystal
malt.  Depending on your setup and extract efficiency, for a 5-
gallon brew you might use a grain bill such as the following:
8 - 9 pounds pilsner malt
6 oz crystal malt 10L
6 oz crystal malt 60L
6 oz crystal malt 120L
The above grain bill specifies pilsner malt, and you should use the
finest German or Belgian pilsner malt.  Lacking that, use a good
U.S. 2-row pale malt.  The crystal malt blend gives the beer the
requisite color, body, and sweetness.
In subsequent articles and postings to HBD, George Fix has reported
using mixes of DeWolf-Cosyns Cara-Vienne (20L) and Cara-Munich
(80L) malts.  In the first issue of Brewing Techniques, it appears
that George Fix has settled on a mix of Cara-Vienne and Special B.
Using the BRF program, the following grain bill should produce a
color in the desired range:
9 pounds pilsner malt
1 pound Cara-Vienne (20L)
1.5 ounces Special B
As an alternative to the above grain bills, one could explore the
use of Munich malt, which should give color and malt flavor.  As an
example, consider the following grain bill:
5 pounds pilsner malt
4 pounds Munich malt
1 pound U.S. cara-pils
1/4 pound crystal malt 40L
Note the high fraction of Munich malt in the grain bill.  As U.S.
Munich malt can be of variable quality, brewers have raised the
concern that the resulting beer will suffer from grain harshness.
However, with the availability of DeWolf-Cosyns Munich malt, as
well as German Munich malts, surely such a recipe should be tried.
For hops, use fine European Noble hops, and hop to 22 - 25 IBUs (or
roughly 6 AAUs).  As an example, the hop schedule might be:
0.85 ounces Tettnang (alpha=4.5) at 45 minutes until end of boil
1/2 ounce Styrian Goldings (alpha=4.9) at 30 minutes until end of
           boil
1/2 ounce Saaz (alpha=3) at 15 minutes until end of boil
This style is not a bitter style, so total hopping is kept down.
Nor are pronounced hop flavor or aroma desired, so the last hopping
is 15 minutes before end of boil.
Use a good lager yeast and proper fermentation temperatures.
Wyeast "Bavarian" lager works very well.  Ferment at 50 degrees F
or so.  Rack the beer to secondary, and lager for 4 to 8 weeks.
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Regards,
Luke
--- FMail 0.94
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Area Zymurgy, Msg#67, 13-06-93 12:33:52
   From: Rick Bastedo                         
     To: All                                  
Subject: Honey Lager
Hi, All
I thought I'd send out an update on the Honey Lager I started March 22.
I let it lager in the basement 2 months, racked it 3 times then bottled.
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The temp down there at the start was about 45 F, and it gradually 
warmed to about 55 F before I bottled.
  
The recipe was :  10 lbs light malt extract
                   4 lbs Clover honey
                   1 oz  Cascade hops
                   1 Pk  Wyeast American Lager Yeast
                   Yeast Nutrients
 
O.G. was 1.08
F.G. is  1.008
Est. Alcohol 10 %  (and it feels like it too) 0  0
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This has only been in the bottle for 3 weeks and it already tastes 
incredible and has a GREAT head of foam, especially if poured too fast !
Anyway, this was my first experiment with honey, and now I know it 
won't be the last...maybe a strwberry Melomel next...Sounds yummy !
L8R and Great Brewing to All.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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