Tightarse challenge

[dobbo]

Well the challenge has been set, would be good to see a few other AULROians in it as well.

http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/f10/3k-budget-banger-challenge-1980-1985-a-37200/

[dungarover]

As on the A4WD forum, would be keen if they had a challenge that was going to be run in QLD.

I like the idea as it brings most vehicles into perspective and it's on a level playing field. Good to prove that a $3K Rangie ****s all over these crap leaf sprung dungas :twisted::twisted:

Trav

[dullbird]

its a shame we all cant do one representing aulro........unfortunatly someone would have to do all the assembly work but imagine if everyone gutted out there sheds for there old parts to build the car up.........and then sold at the end to raise money for the forum........


i know i know was just thinking out aload i know it is impracticle

dullbird

[Dinty]

G'day All, Iszat Ace 'Disco98' or have I had 2 much alcohol again!! LOL:p, wouldn't be anything else than a Land Rover would be able to that type of thing with, as 'NM herself' said 'Leon' has already proved himself, and well said NM, any of my bunch should be able to compete except they are way over and above the price limit, and besides I won't let them get dirty, and you know they hate me for it and I don't care either:p:p, anyway go for it Dobbo, cheers Dennis:wasntme::angel:
PS have had a luverly day playing Land Rovers, having rebuilt the 2 front Spindle housings painted them and refitted to the front differential housing.

[harry]

would be a better challenge if the 3grand was for a stocker, no mods.that would snuff some of them

[lokka]

Sounds like it could be fun tho you wont get much outa 3k after you pay rego and insurance here in NSW as rego for say a rangie is around 800 then third party another 300 + so that leaves roughly 2k to get a truck then make it road worthy then if were all gota have the same tyres theres another grand for cheapys so i dont think it will work some how ;););)

[dobbo]

Go for it Dobbo

Their terms won't allow our Leon so I'm not playing :(:mad:

However I did suggest a 40+ yrs old vehicle challenge :angel: Wonder how many non-LR vehicles would turn up ;):D

To be fair I thought 1980 - 1985 so cars other than LR could participate, they are a mixed forum, besides theres no fun beating other Landies is there.


As on the A4WD forum, would be keen if they had a challenge that was going to be run in QLD.

I like the idea as it brings most vehicles into perspective and it's on a level playing field. Good to prove that a $3K Rangie ****s all over these crap leaf sprung dungas :twisted::twisted:

Trav


Yup, but I live in NSW so I thought the challenge should be set in the state I live in so I could participate


Hey Dobbo,

There's an old blue and white cruiser for sale for $800 near me. Looks like it wouldn't pull the skin off a custard :D and anyway its probably so rusty that if you tried the rear end would be the only thing to be pulled off :twisted:

You could do that up ;) Reckon you'd have it fit for the challenge for more than $3000 :twisted:

But it won't beat a RRC of the same age would it.


would be a better challenge if the 3grand was for a stocker, no mods.that would snuff some of them

Thats the idea not much you can do to the car for $3000. Improvisation due to necessity

[rangieman]

To be fair I thought 1980 - 1985 so cars other than LR could participate, they are a mixed forum, besides theres no fun beating other Landies is there.




Yup, but I live in NSW so I thought the challenge should be set in the state I live in so I could participate



But it won't beat a RRC of the same age would it.



Thats the idea not much you can do to the car for $3000. Improvisation due to necessity
Im thinking you should have done your homework on here before you opened your Big mouth and jumped in
It might cost you more than a case of VB at cooma :angel: no i havent forgotten:p

[mcrover]

Im sure someone on here could nearly donate a RRC in that age range to the cause if it were going to AULRO in the end, there must be something out there that could get a RWC in NSW and then it's just insurance and tyres, hand winch and other recovery equipment.

There are plenty of mods that folks have done on here that take more time than money, it would be a great advertisment to grab as much info we can off the arcives and put it into practice.

If say the person donating the car for the least amount of money that would look reasonable and give a reciept for that and then others donated indirvidual parts to the project and some donating time to put it together and do mods it could come together fairly quick and at minimal cost to any one on here.

I recon it's a do able idea but most of the people on here would have to give a bit of in put and there would have to be 1 trust worthy person to coordinate it all and register the car.

Im in for what ever I can do If anyone is interested, it sounds like some fun.

[rangieman]

Im sure someone on here could nearly donate a RRC in that age range to the cause if it were going to AULRO in the end, there must be something out there that could get a RWC in NSW and then it's just insurance and tyres, hand winch and other recovery equipment.

There are plenty of mods that folks have done on here that take more time than money, it would be a great advertisment to grab as much info we can off the arcives and put it into practice.

If say the person donating the car for the least amount of money that would look reasonable and give a reciept for that and then others donated indirvidual parts to the project and some donating time to put it together and do mods it could come together fairly quick and at minimal cost to any one on here.

I recon it's a do able idea but most of the people on here would have to give a bit of in put and there would have to be 1 trust worthy person to coordinate it all and register the car.

Im in for what ever I can do If anyone is interested, it sounds like some fun.
Yep i donate your girlie pants disco :wasntme:

[dobbo]

Im thinking you should have done your homework on here before you opened your Big mouth and jumped in
It might cost you more than a case of VB at cooma :angel: no i havent forgotten:p



Oh yeh of little faith, the challenge is only in it's infancy at the moment a curry/beverage night will have to be held soon so all interested parties can sit down and write down the final rules. Personally the only thing I can think of that would stop, say a $1000 good condition but unregistered RRC from achieving it's goal under budget would be raised springs and as Lokka said the mud tyres. I doubt it, but if there is enough competetors perhaps a deal could be made on the cost of tyres based on the quantity required.

[rangieman]

Oh yeh of little faith, the challenge is only in it's infancy at the moment a curry/beverage night will have to be held soon so all interested parties can sit down and write down the final rules. Personally the only thing I can think of that would stop, say a $1000 good condition but unregistered RRC from achieving it's goal under budget would be raised springs and as Lokka said the mud tyres. I doubt it, but if there is enough competetors perhaps a deal could be made on the cost of tyres based on the quantity required.

No mate you got it all wrong i have all the faith in the world if its your money as it is your challenge:p

[100I]

Sounds good.
The concept sounds similar to their very own Super cheap challenge, but importantly without (1) the budget - I think their tyres & repairs tallied more than $1k over the $2k purchase and (2) for us cynical LR people the bias of differing tyre types on the RR vs SWB Patrol episode for eg.
I'd also imagine you won't trash them just for the sake of it, it was a shame to see the way they smashed & bashed in the front end and doors & sills on those poor Jackeroo & Pajero.

[Slunnie]

Cmon Dobbo, get into it! You know you want to.:twisted:

[RobHay]

As on the A4WD forum, would be keen if they had a challenge that was going to be run in QLD.

I like the idea as it brings most vehicles into perspective and it's on a level playing field. Good to prove that a $3K Rangie ****s all over these crap leaf sprung dungas :twisted::twisted:

Trav


Hey ! Hey ! Hey ! Go straight to the bathroom and wash ya mouth out with soap :mad:..............I have 2 and a half leaf sprung beasties right outside.......go anywhere ya coil springs will go and then some and with none of the body roll either......in fact haven't yet found anything that will make the 11 leaf springs even look like they are going to flex:):D;)

[dungarover]

Hey ! Hey ! Hey ! Go straight to the bathroom and wash ya mouth out with soap :mad:..............I have 2 and a half leaf sprung beasties right outside.......go anywhere ya coil springs will go and then some and with none of the body roll either......in fact haven't yet found anything that will make the 11 leaf springs even look like they are going to flex:):D;)

Anytime, anyplace. Bring it on :twisted::twisted::twisted:

Trav

[mcrover]

Hey ! Hey ! Hey ! Go straight to the bathroom and wash ya mouth out with soap :mad:..............I have 2 and a half leaf sprung beasties right outside.......go anywhere ya coil springs will go and then some and with none of the body roll either......in fact haven't yet found anything that will make the 11 leaf springs even look like they are going to flex:):D;)

Just got to wear your kidney belt all the way there and back lol:D:D:D

I have nothing against leaf springs, I have never had any probs with them, you could probably get a series rover up to scratch pretty quick but what was between '80 and '85, was it stage 1 or county or still SIII.

Has to be a wagon so that pretty much puts most of them out of the price range.

[dobbo]

Just got to wear your kidney belt all the way there and back lol:D:D:D

I have nothing against leaf springs, I have never had any probs with them, you could probably get a series rover up to scratch pretty quick but what was between '80 and '85, was it stage 1 or county or still SIII.

Has to be a wagon so that pretty much puts most of them out of the price range.


Mate if you want to do the challenge in an SIII I have a source on a late model holden 6cyl landy. I could enquire of the price for you.

[mcrover]

Mate if you want to do the challenge in an SIII I have a source on a late model holden 6cyl landy. I could enquire of the price for you.

Not saying I want to drive it, Im happy to lend a hand getting one up to scratch but I live in Vic so Im out of the running already.

I might take you up on a cheap SIII for my own project though :D

[mcrover]

What value would an 9/84 Range Rover be with

3.5 twin carbed engine (rebuilt 5000K ago)
5 speed box
new uni joints all round
2" body lift
flares
bullbar and winch
32" mongrels 80%
rear step bar with wheel carrier
120 litre long range tank
snorkle
full length tadesman rook rack
6 months rego
clean and straight

I'll give you 50 bucks for it Gav.lol:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I thought you were keeping the winch and bar for the Disco?

[scrambler]

What about vehicles that are already owned? Do you use Red Book values?

I can see LOTS of cheating about to happen!

:angel: Honest, here's the receipt, it came for $200 with the 33 inch Simexes already on it :twisted:

Dobbo, what's your view on the wheelbase question? Maybe you'll need to have categories? or penalty points for shorties?

[dungarover]

Just got to wear your kidney belt all the way there and back lol:D:D:D

I have nothing against leaf springs, I have never had any probs with them, you could probably get a series rover up to scratch pretty quick but what was between '80 and '85, was it stage 1 or county or still SIII.

Has to be a wagon so that pretty much puts most of them out of the price range.


I agree, I don't have anything against them either, but I can't see the point since Discos and Rangies are cheaper, quicker and more comfortable as well. But each to there own.

But I would rather have a Series Land Rover than a Jap crap POS. I learnt how to 4WD in an MQ Pootrol and the concept of picking the right lines due to it's crap suspension dynamics :(. If you want a lumpy ****-bruising ride off-road, try that on for size :eek: :eek: :eek:

Trav

[dobbo]

The basic rule is this, you have 3k to buy register and run a 5 seater family friendly 4wd wagon. If you can pick up a Nasa moon buggy and rego it, so be it. I have thought about out of state attendants, if your car can pass a NSW rego inspection on the day of the run, no probs. If you allready own the car just provide the original purchase price. The vehicle has to be on the road, safe and 4wdable for less than 3k including purchase price.


IN SHORT I DO NEED HELP SETTING UP THESE RULES SO ALL ASPECTS CAN BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT

If your interested in helping set up rules or, helping a build or running your own build put your name down and commit. I'm doing it anyway so if there is no other contenders it'll still happen. It's just with a bit of competition I'll get my ass into gear and do it.

[Ace]

G'day All, Iszat Ace 'Disco98' or have I had 2 much alcohol again!!

Yes thats me.

I like the idea, just not sure if i will have the budget to do it, i cant justify a third car, and that will be a problem for alot of people, i order to do this most people are going to need to buy another car, then either keep running it or sell it afterwards, probably for alot less than they bought it.

[dobbo]

Yes thats me.

I like the idea, just not sure if i will have the budget to do it, i cant justify a third car, and that will be a problem for alot of people, i order to do this most people are going to need to buy another car, then either keep running it or sell it afterwards, probably for alot less than they bought it.


I've had an idea regarding the previously owned cars or freebie car. Minimum price $300 or 10% of overall budget. Maximum price $1500 or 50% of the overall budget.

Options for price


redbook value of the car
purchase price of car
Post a thread with photo's titled "How crap is my new car, what do you think it's worth" attach a pole with values from $300 in $100 incriments up to $1500. After a week whatever gets the most votes wins (each vote has to comment, you'll be bagging out your own car to justify a low price and others would be praising it to justify a higher price) whatever the justified price is taken from your budget.

[scrambler]

Just had a brainwave, Dobbo. Perhaps all competing vehicles need to be bought through ebay? Get them to throw some sponsorship your way, get some TV coverage so there's something in it for them.

With the public auction situation (and "buy it now" would need to be excluded) there would be a verification of the genuineness of the price. Someone wanting to buy a car from a mate would need to get the mate to list it, running the risk of being bid up or losing the auction.

What do you think?

Someone wanting to use their existing vehicle would need to list it for sale on ebay and have a relative buy it back (or lose the vehicle :twisted:)

[dobbo]

Just had a brainwave, Dobbo. Perhaps all competing vehicles need to be bought through ebay? Get them to throw some sponsorship your way, get some TV coverage so there's something in it for them.

With the public auction situation (and "buy it now" would need to be excluded) there would be a verification of the genuineness of the price. Someone wanting to buy a car from a mate would need to get the mate to list it, running the risk of being bid up or losing the auction.

What do you think?

Someone wanting to use their existing vehicle would need to list it for sale on ebay and have a relative buy it back (or lose the vehicle :twisted:)


I don't want or need the glory, besides why give ebay money, they get enough. All I want oout of this at the end of the day is a 3k offroader. The challenge is to get myself motivated to do it. Good concept though

[Debacle]

Just a thought.

Why does it need to be registered in NSW, surely someone from another state can drive down for the challenge. You can drive anywhere in the country as long as your vehicle is registered somewhere.

[dobbo]

Just a thought.

Why does it need to be registered in NSW, surely someone from another state can drive down for the challenge. You can drive anywhere in the country as long as your vehicle is registered somewhere.



It doesn't as long as it passes a NSW rego check at most a week before the challenge day to make sure the car is safe.

[Blknight.aus]

Just to be daft but In theory I could enter Kermit in this as including his engine rebuild he isnt even at $2k yet....

[dobbo]

Buy, build up and road registered full bodied 4wd (full road legal rego at the date of the final challenge)
Cars will be a budget banger 4wd for a maximum budget of $3000.00 (inclusive of everything) build time will be 6 months from the start of the challenge with the successful applicants all competing in a budget banger Watagan/Stockton weekend tuff trip at the end of the six month period. On these days rules and various scrutinies will apply. Bullbars, sliders, recovery points and other vehicle protection are allowed. Tyre size will be 31/10.50R15 and mud terrain tread, to make things fair everyone will have the same brand and tyre, to be voted upon by a majority vote from all applicants before the end of the buildup. To keep things honest all, meaning all moneys spent (retail value) must be accounted for with written evidence produced to an independant person on the day of the final event. (All purchases are to have a receipt) things for free are allowed but must be accounted for with an average 2nd hand price.. As per normal a failure to traverse and obsticle, reverse, choose a chicken track, or have to be recovered will result in penalties.

Budget is $3000 including car, modifications and registration. Insurance is excluded from the budget. But is recommended for all vehicles.


Car must be:

Pre 89 Full bodied vehicle capable of seating 5.
Have a minimum wheelbase set to 90"
31/10.50R15 tyres (controlled tyre for the build)
Suspension limited to bolt on products only, no changing of spring mounts, shock mounts etc.
No engine Swaps, (stock engines only)
No reduction gears, dual transfers etc.
Safety related things unlimited.
All mods to be road legal and compliant and not require engineering. Basically a stock car with legal bolt on bits.


Challenge starts on 1st September so post if your in

[dungarover]

Seriously been thinking about this, only have til tomorrow night to make up my mind :(

I think there's a couple of blokes who are keen on building up Rangies, not too many Toy/Nissan blokes all that keen by the looks of the thread.

Trav

[dobbo]

Mine is getting built up regardless and the way it looks i'll be just under budget. The more the merrier.

[mudmouse]

Found it! A supple, no frills Rangie..

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Range-Rover-1976_W0QQitemZ170143490294QQihZ007QQcategoryZ10234 1QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Just get the 'ole buzzard running right, new shoes and rego - a stocker with an insurance company scrutineer nearby would poo it in - just spot the dodgy coil/spring spacers that will appear and it's a disqualification sticker for you (Tojo/Datsun) and beer money to spare:D:D

The bodgey dunger MQ's and FJ's wouldn't even make onto the track.

[Slunnie]

Would you allow a metric equivilent in the 16" rim size? 265/70-16 or 265/75-15?

[dobbo]

Would you allow a metric equivilent in the 16" rim size? 265/70-16 or 265/75-15?

Personally I have no problem with this scenerio. The person organising the tyres says they can get a really good deal on the 15" ones. I'll discuss it with him and see if a similar deal can be done on the 16" variants and get back to you.

[Slunnie]

I cant compete as the IIa Ute has had an engine transplant, but you're right I guess with the 31x10.5-15 as that size tyre is sooper cheep. Just thinking that many of these old bangers will come with 16" rims also even if the tyres are more expensive.

[dobbo]

I cant compete as the IIa Ute has had an engine transplant, but you're right I guess with the 31x10.5-15 as that size tyre is sooper cheep. Just thinking that many of these old bangers will come with 16" rims also even if the tyres are more expensive.


I know of a nice original SIII that could do with a Slunnie touch up:D

[Slunnie]

I'd be in sooooooo much trouble! :(