oils ain't oils

[Outback 1]

just reading through the z9 post and thought i would ask what oils and filters you all use.
my sister in law runs a spare parts shop and can't understand why i always ask for ryco filters for our cars.
she says they are all made in asia {i know they are not ryco are made by gud in sth africa}.i always have used them but i would like to know your thoughts,and also what oils you use
thanks ken:eek:

[incisor]

a quick search of the site will produce an avalanche of data for you to digest, i imagine mr pedro the swifty one has also put something in the popular info section..

[Utemad]

Well I have always used Ryco but given the recent thread you mention and the search I just did I decided to see what some of the bigger players had to offer.

This is what I came up with after searching the net this morning.
This is all for my MY95 V8 Disco.

Genuine LR
Oil
ERR3340

Air
ESR1445

Fuel
ESR4065/ESR3117

Fleetguard/Cummins
Oil (all have drain back valve)
LF3311 (55kpa/7.98psi BPV)
LF3378 (250kpa/36.26psi BPV)
LF3376 (120kpa/17.4psi BPV)

Air
AF25599

Fuel
FF5026

Donaldson
Oil (all have drain back valve)
P550008 (7-10psi RVS)
P551201 (2.5bar RVS)
P550318 (14-20psi RVS)

Air
???

Fuel
P550209

Coopers
Oil
Z1159

Air
AG1103

Fuel
???

The 3.9 V8 oil pressure is rated at 2.75bar/40psi @ 2500rpm at running temp.

I read this from http://www.theautochannel.com/e_about/filters.html in order to understand the Bypass Valve (BPV).


Relief (By-Pass) Valve. In a full flow system, all the oil passes through the filter to reach the engine. If the filter clogs, an alternative route to the engine must be provided for the oil, or the bearings and other internal parts may fail, due to oil starvation. A relief, or by-pass, valve is used to allow unfiltered oil to lubricate the engine. Unfiltered oil is far better than no oil at all. This relief (by-pass) valve is built into the engine block in some cars. Otherwise, the relief (by-pass) valve is a component of the oil filter itself. Under normal conditions, the valve remains closed. When there is sufficient contaminant in the oil filter to reach a preset level of pressure differential to oil flow (around 10-12 PSI in most passenger cars), pressure differential on the relief (by-pass) valve caused it to open. This condition can occur when the oil filter has become clogged or when the weather is cold and the oil is thick and flows slowly.Does this all mean that if the difference in pressure from one side of the filter to the other is greater than the BPV setting then it will open the valve?

Another interesting note is that if you only use the parts catalogue search on the manufacturers websites you will not get the full story. As if you look for Z89A replacements on the Fleetguard site you will only get the higher BPV rated filters and not the correct lower BPV filter (correct according to other sources). I used Z89A as if you search for ERR3340 you get even less info.

Before it is said why not just use genuine, the reason I don't want to use genuine is they only sell parts at Newstead in Brisbane and that is way to far for me to go since I would drive past countless other filter suppliers on the way as I live on the Southside.

I don't know what the better filter brands are but I know we have always used Fleetguard on everything (generators to semi trailers) at previous workplaces so I figure they must be up there.

Does this help Ken? :D

[JDNSW]

For the County I use Castrol RX Super, Oil filter usually Baldwin, fuel filter usually Japan Element or Isuzu, air usually Donaldson, sometimes Fleetguard. But depends what the local filter specialist can get, and varies a bit.

2a, Castrol 20w-50, Ryco or Baldwin or Fleetguard filter, depending on what he has.

John

[B92 8NW]

Mobil Delvac 1, Genuine Kubota Oil Filter

I still don't see why people think you need a anti-drain back valve on the filter. On the TDIs at least, the filter is mounted near enough to vertical and screwed on with the inlet/outlet end pointing north. The filter will always be full. The last ERR3340 I bought had no anti drain back valve.

As I mentioned elsewhere, if the filter mounted at the top of the system and screwed on with the inlet/outlet end pointing south (such as the Kubota hydraulic system), then it is advisable to have an anti-drain back valve.

[sclarke]

300tdi i use genuine Filters or Cooper Filter

Oil
Penrite Diesel, what ever the numbers are...

Air filters, Genuine, Fuel Genuine

If you way it up over a lifetime you might pay $1000 extra for genuine, but what is a Motor rebuild worth??
you might only get 100,000km more out of your engine with genuine... but thats alot of motoring...

[Slunnie]

TD5,

Mobil 1 5-50 engine oil

All filters are genuine.

[pawl]

300Tdi

Oil: Caltex Delo 400, because I can't afford Mobil Delvac 1
Oil Filter: Baldwin B74, plus I also use a bypass filter to filter down to 1 micron


Fuel Filter: Baldwin BF-587D, Fleetguard FF-5135, (Although I have now switched to a CAV style filter so I can see any rubbish collected in the glass bowl, filter element is smaller, so I will just change more frequently)

Air Filter: Genuine ESR 1445. Have tried Fleetguard AF-25599, but I like the genuine oil impregnated paper much better, you need to change more often but I think it catches everything. Price between OE and Fleetguard was near the same too!

[Outback 1]

300tdi i use genuine Filters or Cooper Filter

Oil
Penrite Diesel, what ever the numbers are...

Air filters, Genuine, Fuel Genuine

If you way it up over a lifetime you might pay $1000 extra for genuine, but what is a Motor rebuild worth??
you might only get 100,000km more out of your engine with genuine... but thats alot of motoring...

thats fine but you have to remember that not all of us live near or in a major city and that is where the dealers are now{another wise lr decision:mad:}
for me it's a 1 hr drive to the nearest city {rural}

[Utemad]

thats fine but you have to remember that not all of us live near or in a major city and that is where the dealers are now{another wise lr decision:mad:}
for me it's a 1 hr drive to the nearest city {rural}

Don't worry. Even in Brisbane I am miles from a genuine LR parts store.

The only dealer in Brisbane that stocks parts is in Newstead on the Northside like I mentioned above.
I don't know if they will send parts to the Southside dealers (I assume they do for servicing). They certainly didn't offer to when I tried to get parts from their Southside dealer.

So genuine LR parts are about a 35min drive for me (if no traffic). Although I am surrounded by aftermarket suppliers.

[mcrover]

Baldwin B7152 engine oil filter because I keep them on the shelf for the Kubota Turbo Diesels.

The same Baldwin Fuel filter BF 2??.

Finer Filter 3 stage air filter.

At the moment it has Valvoline 15w 40 Diesel oil (highest spec in mineral that the parts supplier had in a 20ltr drum) but next service will be Peak 15w40 Global Diesel oil as it is higer spec (made by one of the euro oil companies by the product fact sheet) and I have a 205ltr of it on the floor now.

Ive been using Baldwin filters for 10 years and have only had 1 air filter fail over that time between 5 onsite guys in that time and they give you more specs than you can poke a stick at if you want them.

When the air filter failed they came to the party and paid for the rebuild as well as it was a 2 yr old machine and the filter fell apart and went through it.

[rick130]

<snip>
my sister in law runs a spare parts shop and can't understand why i always ask for ryco filters for our cars.
she says they are all made in asia {i know they are not ryco are made by gud in sth africa}.<snip>


Actually, GUD have (had ?) a factory in NZ as well as SA, but they do source an increasingly large amount of filters from Asia. Oz production ceased several years ago.
A lot of the US company Purolators' filters are coming out of Asia too, as do other US manufacturers like Wix.
You have to remember that most filter companies have a core line that they manufacture themselves, with the rest sourced from other manufacturers. Several years ago I sourced a Wix for a Patrol as I was having problems with ADBV's on Sakura and Donaldson (both out of the same factory in Indonesia) and Wix traditionally use silicone rather than nitrile for ADBV's.
I was pretty peeved when the filters turned up and were Sakura's with a Wix pt. # stamped on the box and three time the price I normally paid for Sakura.... :mad:

as for genuine parts, that's what the mail and couriers are for. ALL my parts are couriered to me, the nearest Land Rover stealer is 3 hours away and my major parts supplier even further. I just fax the order through and they turn up a few days later. Beats driving there. ;)



Does this all mean that if the difference in pressure from one side of the filter to the other is greater than the BPV setting then it will open the valve?

Yep, nailed it in one. This usually only occurs at start up when the oil is cold and too viscous to flow through the media fast enough, so the filter goes into by-pass until the pressure drop decreases enough to close the by-pass valve.

As Inc suggested, do a search on Donaldson, Baldwin, Fleetguard, Delphi, Ryco and you will eventually find a bunch of filter specs that have been posted on here.