9.00 16 Tyres

[Lotz-A-Landies]

It's time to have a thread specifically on these big tyres.

A few cut and pastes from other threads.


I've spoken to antique tyres about bartreads. they can get 900x16 for $429, but if you clobber together an order of 20 or more they will give you a club discount. Might be an option. This is a firestone tyre. 750x16 are $219 and again, discount for more than 20 in an order.

I haven't looked at the mrf bartread (NDT) as yet, but they seem to be becoming more available in harder to get sizes. The alliance tyre looks good, as it is basically the same as the continental NDT that the unimogs use in the army.
Phoenix

Yes the Alliance Traction Lug look very much like the tyres on the Unimogs. Chalmers Truck Tyre service in Sydney - the local supplier gave me a quote of $380.00 each this week. (I think they are used by the Israeli Military - they are an Israeli manufactured item.)

The thing that is putting a spanner in the works is that most cross-ply tyres are only a G speed rating which is 90 KPH. Ag Tyres in Moree, the MRF importer, suggested the Sand Grip....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/02/300.jpg

... until they checked their regs and tell me that it is illegal for a tyre service to fit a tyre with a speed rating of less than 140KMH to a four wheel drive. (Wow would I feel safe traveling at 140KPH in a forward control? )

The Michelin XZL 255/100 R16 are a radial tyre but it still only has a speed rating of 100 KPH which I think one would get away with.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/01/141.jpg

Now I have to go and check what the Alliance rating is.

Diana

[Lotz-A-Landies]

MRF do also make a bartread

MRF Exports | Tyres | Military Service - NDMS (http://www.mrf-exports.com/product_details.asp?c=22&s=&p=23)

no mention of the speed ratings though.

So in military tyres in this size, Firestone, MRF and alliance seem to be the only three options.

Phoenix

Yes they do do a bar tread in the smalles sizes 6.00 16 for sure because I have them, and I believe also in the larger sizes. However if one intends to do long distances a compromise tyre would be ideal. Triangle, a Chinese brand have a highway lug pattern in 9.00 16 listed in their catalogue.

It is a bit similar to the old All Purpose Lug (Olympic I think) but so far I have not found a Triangle importer who bring it into Australia.

My local tyre service (Cooke's Truck Tyre Service Nowra), suggested that Triangles used to be quite poor quality however that has recently improved and no complaints from customers in the last little while. The 8.25 16 was about $200 last time I asked.

If others are interested, a group order may be possible. I have also recently heard that Beaurepaires are another Triangle importer, so my next stop will be them.

Would anyone else be interested in a Highway lug on a 101 or 109/110 F/C?

Diana


I purchased Two MRF 900x16 tyres for $225 each for the front of my 101 from Moore Tyres about three Months ago.
No problems and the speed rating for most bar treads has always been very low, I think not above 110 kph.
The 101s usually cruise at 80 kph so its not really a issue.
Ron

Ps I am new to the site and live in Nowra and wouldnt mind hooking up with other FC owners in the area.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

More cut and pastes:


I purchased Two MRF 900x16 tyres for $225 each for the front of my 101 from Moore Tyres about three Months ago.
No problems and the speed rating for most bar treads has always been very low, I think not above 110 kph.
The 101s usually cruise at 80 kph so its not really a issue.
Ron

Ps I am new to the site and live in Nowra and wouldnt mind hooking up with other FC owners in the area.


I run a set of second hand Silverstone's the same that were supplied to the Malaysian Army. I will soon be looking to replace them as at least one of the tyres is at the end of its life.

I tell you what your lucky getting all those spare parts. A 101 will bleed your bank account if you need to replace parts that are unique to the model.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi people

In my searching for tyres I have come across a bloke in Newcastle NSW who used to have 9.00 16s on his truck. He has 7 tyres which he describes as being bought then put in the shed for when he needed them.

He says they are Michelins and describes a set of four as coarse tread mud tyres. I am assuming Michelin XZL:

The Michelin XZL 255/100 R16 are a radial tyre with a speed rating of 100 KPH.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/01/141.jpg

He also says he has 3 highway pattern tyres, also Michelins I am assuming XZY the only other 9.00 16 Michelin made and which are not imported anymore.

He paid $600 each tyre for them and was looking for someone to make him an offer on the lot (7 tyres).

At present I was only looking for 2 tyres , and would be happy with the highway tread for the front of my S2B so would take the XZY depending on condition.

Is anyone else interested in making an offer on the four XZLs before I close any deal I will check the tyres are what he suggests.

send me a PM.

Diana

[Bigbjorn]

I have a friend who recently jumped through hoops to get (6) 6.00 x 20's for a 1927 Dalby-Brooklands Double Six. Eventually found some from a specialist supplier but not cheap, over $400 each. I will ask him where he got them and advise you.

[Phoenix]

Sounds like it may have been Antique Tyres Brian, they have some unusual tyres.

They do have 900x16 bartreads as well.

[101 Ron]

Bearcat tyres are a Australian wide industrial tyre supplier.
I am in the forklift business and there have good contacts with various tyre suppliers.
My contact for Bearcat tyres Sydney is Malcom Turner.
He has been great in the past for getting hard to get truck tyres.
Bearcat also supply Cooks tyre service Nowra.
For $225 each the MRFs I think would be hard to beat unless you want something better than bar treads,which can be a handful on hard wet roads.
I am involved in restoring old miltiary vehicles and the go at the moment is MRFs as they fit old ww11 weapons carriers etc.
Moore tyre only seem to get them in small numbers and may run out untill the next order arrives.........prices vary because of this.
Beware in 900x16 there is two different types of rims and tyre used.
101s run a american tyre and rim.
Old vehicles of British design run a english tyre and rim....eg WW11 Bliz trucks.
They do not interchange and look exactly the same.
Beware if buying old stock tyres.
Some times the tyre is marked British or American
Bearcat is whole sale and may not want to deal with the general public.
Regards Ron.

[101RRS]

What tyres that are not 9.00X16 have people used on their 101s. The standard tyre has a rolling dia of 866 so more modern radial tyres around 305/75 and the LT equivalent should fit - maybe slightly wider.

Cost $$$$$ - suspect big $$$$$

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

What tyres that are not 9.00X16 have people used on their 101s. The standard tyre has a rolling dia of 866 so more modern radial tyres around 305/75 and the LT equivalent should fit - maybe slightly wider.

Cost $$$$$ - suspect big $$$$$

Garry
Garry

Where do you get that spec?

The Michelin XZL 255/100 R 16 (http://www.michelintransport.com/ple/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=51&lang=EN)is dual branded (9.00 16 equivalent) and has a specified diameter of 923 mm

The Triangle have a spec. of 905 mm for their 9.00 16 lug (http://www.austyretraders.com.au/LIGHT%20TRUCK%20TYRES.htm).

Diana

[101RRS]

Garry

Where do you get that spec?

The Michelin XZL 255/100 R 16 (http://www.michelintransport.com/ple/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=51&lang=EN)is dual branded (9.00 16 equivalent) and has a specified diameter of 923 mm

The Triangle have a spec. of 905 mm for their 9.00 16 lug (http://www.austyretraders.com.au/LIGHT%20TRUCK%20TYRES.htm).

Diana

I just used a tyre calculator and punched 9.00x16 in and it came up with 866 - close enough to 900 for govt work. I appreciate actual 9.00x16 tyres might have a slightly different rolling dia.

So any tyre about that dia with the correct speed rating and load rating should fit - maybe will be a little wider than the the standard lugs. 35" tyres are also about the same size as well.

Most of the other tyres I have looked at on the net at about 900 dia have a Q speed rating which is good - like you I am not keen on even doing 80kph in the rain on conventional lug tyres.

Cheers

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The OKA machines use Michelin XZL 225/100 R 16 as their standard spec tyre. On one internet site they were rated at 110 KPH, which is as fast as you are allowed to go in any case.

It's just a case of find me the money.

Cheers
Diana

[101 Ron]

check this
Unimog wheels - cheap option??????? - Land Rover UK Forums (http://www.landrover-uk.net/forum/showthread.php't=28866)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

check this
Unimog wheels - cheap option??????? - Land Rover UK Forums (http://www.landrover-uk.net/forum/showthread.php't=28866)

Well there goes that idea - you need wheel spacers which aren't legal.

Diana

[101RRS]

This site lists 305/85R16 tyres as a radial alternative to the standard bartreads.

Land Rover FAQ - Repair & Maintenance - Discovery (http://www.fourfold.org/LR_FAQ/FC/FAQ.FC.101tech.html)

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

This site lists 305/85R16 tyres as a radial alternative to the standard bartreads.

Land Rover FAQ - Repair & Maintenance - Discovery (http://www.fourfold.org/LR_FAQ/FC/FAQ.FC.101tech.html)

Garry

Garry

You will find that those tyres will have 10 or 12 inch wide rims, not the original 6.5 inch rims on the Forward Controls.

If you go to at least 8 inch rims your options increase dramatically.

I have been trying to keep to standard rims/tyres.

Cheers
Diana

[101RRS]

OK 101 owners - we have chatted back and forwards about tyres to put on our trucks but unless I have missed something - I am not sure what tyres will fit and where to get them - we do have the Michelins but $$$$$.

My truck has Hankang bar treads but Hankang no longer list them.

It seems there are plenty of expensive radials in the right rolling dia but they require 7-8" rims and our 6.5s are too narrow. There was a pic of a 101 in darwin posted a few months back that had Wranglers on it but on closer inspection it has different rims fitted and has wheel arch extensions to accommodated the extra width.

So 101 drivers = cough up some information.

What have you got fitted and where did you get them and how much??

I will need new tyres and have drawn a blank in Canberra. I would prefer radials to bar treads.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

.....I will need new tyres and have drawn a blank in Canberra. I would prefer radials to bar treads.

Garry
Garry there is always this guy in Newcastle with the supposedly unused XZLs (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/fcs-military-variations/50234-9-00-16-tyres.html) - he has asked me to make an offer - I would take the 3 road tread and was thinking of offering something like what Chalmers will sell the Alliance Traction Lug (a bit like bar tread on the uniMogs) $380 and see where he goes. Someone can make an offer for the 4 Michelin XZL but it should be a reasonable offer for me to ring him up.

Diana

[101RRS]

Someone can make an offer for the 4 Michelin XZL but it should be a reasonable offer for me to ring him up.

Diana

The price of XZL's is over the top - I could by a decent wheel/tyre combination that would work for cheaper than they cost.

A reasonable offer - hmmmm - against for what they actually cost or for what I would be prepared to pay - I don't think it would be a reason offer. $300 is probably not reasonable.

But at this stage I am interested in what other 101 owners have fitted now and where they intend to get their next round of tyres.

Cheers

Garry

[101 Ron]

I have been doing some research and have found SilverStone 285/85r16 tyres for 220 dollars each.......Model Mt 117.
They are a Muddy bar lug .
They will fit the standard rims.
The rolling dia seems the same as the 900x16 bar threads and the width the same.
The advantage in these tyres is the radial design and price.
The only thing I can find wrong is the the maximum inflation pressure is 36 psi so a fully loaded 101 with a tonne and a half in the back would be too much for these tyres.
Light loads should be no problem.
I have had the bar treads 900x16 and the Silverstones side by side .....very close in size.
Any ideas ?

[101 Ron]

Tyre : tyre selling all brands - Pneus-Online (http://www.pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyre/SILVERSTONE/MT-117/)
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/showthread.php't=26429
Tyre - MT-117 (http://www.silverstone.com.my/tyre_mt117_spec.asp)
Offroad-Express • View topic - Silverstone tyres (http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5884)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I have been doing some research and have found SilverStone 285/85r16 tyres for 220 dollars each.......Model Mt 117. ...
...The rolling dia seems the same as the 900x16 bar threads and the width the same....
... I have had the bar treads 900x16 and the Silverstones side by side .....very close in size.
Any ideas ?
Ron

The price seems good and I like the idea of a radial tyre, however just to be my usual pedantic self.
The 9.00 16 is equivalent of 255/100 R 16 and according to Michelin's specs is a 923mm (36 1/3" ) diameter.
While the calculation of a 285/85 R 16 is 891mm (35" ) diameter.
Although the Silverstone option is better than the 8.25 16 truck tyre option which are only 861mm ( 33.9") diameter.

Diana

Addit: Am confused, both the Silverstone Malasia website and the Chapel Corner Tyres website list the MT-117 as 285/85 16 with No "R" so are a bias ply.

They also specify a minimum rim width for the 285/85 16 as 7",

The other confusing thing is that the pattern depicted on the two sites is different. Chapel's show the MT-117 to be similar to the old Bridgestone Desert Duelers. http://www.chapelcornertyres.com/silverstone_MT117.html
http://www.silverstone.com.my/images/catalog/tyre_mt117Ex_b.jpg

While Silverstone's website http://www.silverstone.com.my/tyre_mt117.asp shows the MT-117 as what Ron is describing.
http://www.silverstone.com.my/images/catalog/tyre_mt117_b.jpg while the MT-117 ex is the same as the MT-117 on Chapel Corner's Site.

(Oops - check your pics Diana! The confusion on patterns is solved with your own posted pic. Ron's directional Bar thread is the correct MT 117 pattern)

[101 Ron]

The Silverstone is advailible with and without tube design...Radial or Bias ?
Having the 900x16 and the 285/85r16 side by side the diameter of the Silverstone seems to be slightly larger.
That may change when fitted.
The mt 117 is advailible with some different tread designs as I have seen them with a super muddy directional tyre with rock ejectors etc in 285/85 r16.
The sites I gave you are not up to date.
I think AT type treads would be advailible too.
The Importer thinks the 6 inch rim is not a problem and after seeing the tyres in the real world I agree.
The width of the tread on the tyre I compared with the 101s bar treads seemed the same or slighly wider.
I noted on one of the goggle sites I found that these tyres are suitable for use on Unimogs ?.........I thought Mogs run 20 inch rims

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Ron

I'd be very interested in the MT-117 Ex tread if it came in the 285/85 R16 size with 8 or 10 ply rating. It would be a good option for the intended purpose.

There diameter measures are really interesting, when I found some specs, the Silverstone advertise a diameter of 900mm while Michelin advertise only 923mm for the 9.00. Perhaps its in the amount of rubber in the tread thickness. In fact the other day I stood a 8.25 Firestone (I think) against a worn Alliance 9.00 and the 8.25 seemed taller. So who really knows.

BTW: Do you know anyone close by who has a re-grooving tool? I want to make a couple of the grooves in a couple of my Alliance 9.00s a little deeper.

Diana

P.S. Went to move the RRc from Russel the other day, could not get it to start. Spark, fuel pump clicking, starter cranking - was dumbfounded. That was until I realised that someone had removed a fuel line from the main feed line to the carby. Because the engine had been running on LPG there was a tap that stopped the fuel spurting out.

[101 Ron]

I have a grooving tool.
The problem is unless the tyre is marked regroovable or it is a industrail tyre it is illegal to do so.
The main problem is a regrooving tool is not suited to the large open lugs of a bar tread.

[101 Ron]

Maher Tyres.
51 Gow st Padstow NSW 1711.
PH 02 97061711
Mob 0412250053
Email maher@rpi.net.au


Silver stone Tyres



I Will catch up to you Diana to check out the RR in a few weeks
I am very busy with work and family currently.

[101 Ron]

Silverstone MT-117 Sport 285/75R16 with wheels. Sydney. $450 - Australian 4WD Action Online Forums (http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=735151#post735151)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I have a grooving tool.

Ron

The Alliance Traction Lugs are very similar to the Simex Jungle Trekker
http://www.simex4x4.com/files/ZLH42OPG7Z/JT2larg.jpg

and it is the grooves actually in the lugs that I wish to clean out, so no where near the rag. Cooke's did one for me before, but they only cut straight grooves instead of the original kink. I was thinking of making up a metal guide/template to place over each lug and groove alongside it. I can show you one if you pop over.

I won't be down to Nowra this weekend so possibly the week after.

Talk soon.

Diana

[101 Ron]

I do industrial tyres all the time.
I can even groove my name in the tyres backwards so every one knows who regrooved the tyres after you go through a puddle of muddy water.

[cooee]

HI FOLKS :D
AT MOMENT ON MY 101 THEY ARE MAXXIS CRAWLER LT 38.5X14.50 THEY ON 16 INCH RIMS ON WIDENED RIM 240 ML SO 40 ML WIDER THEN STANDARD RIM
HAD MICHLEIN TYRES 325/85R/16 ON STANDARD RIM

I FOUND MAXXIS TYRES GOOD SO FAR RIDE WELL HANDLE GOOD AND HARDLEY ANY ROAD NOISE :)
THEY ARE SOFTER COMPOUND THEN MICHLEIL SO HAVE TO WAIT AND
MAXXIS I THINK WERE 440 DOLLARS

CHEERS COOEE

[brookvale]

Fancy a trip to China (http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/eastuptire/product-detailSMFEvxLramRW/China-Chariot-Truck-Tyre-255-100R16-YS20-.html) for your 255/100R16s?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Fancy a trip to China (http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/eastuptire/product-detailSMFEvxLramRW/China-Chariot-Truck-Tyre-255-100R16-YS20-.html) for your 255/100R16s?
They wouldn't be a copy would they? (BTW the Michelin XZL is on the left!)

http://www.michelintruck.com/img/product/XZL.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/06/315.jpg

At the moment I am investigating the Universal ones (pic below) shown on the 9.00 club forum. The rule from Customs is if the total of product, shipping and insurance is less than $A1,000.00 then there is no import licence paperwork, GST or Duty. Even if it comes in separate packages and invoices at or around the same time then the cumulative total is levied. If I buy them in groups of 3 they come in under the $A1,000.00 without import paperwork, duty/GST limit and look like they will be less than $300 per tyre. Just getting confirmation. The price for 5 landed in Oz was $US1,310.00 which is over the $1,000 limit.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Am awaiting a second quote for the reduced quantity.

The really nasty thing is that the Australian Agent, told me that Universal has stopped production - Universal US tells me they have them in stock.

They look like a good all round pattern particularly for lots of on-road work. The overall diameter of our 900-16 measures 36.3" (922 mm). The section width or widest part of the tire measures 10.38" (236.65 mm) and is designed to be used on a 6.5" (165 mm) wheel.

Will let you know when I have confirmation.

Diana

[brookvale]

I've not heard back from China (not surprising...)

I would be keener on the Michies - simply because they are radials - but maybe the STA Superlugs are the better option price-wise!

Back on the 900 forum - did you see the comment re British Army now using the Michies?
I suggested we need an insider to 'acquire' some for us :)
Maybe I should ask Blanchards...?
N

[brookvale]

Just sent another mail off to another Chinese place - possibly the manufacturer of the Michelin look-alikes. Will keep you posted.
Neil

[brookvale]

Hah Hah!
Noticed that the manufacturer's minimum order is 1 x 40' container - eek!
Maybe way out of our little league - but you never know the pricing might allow us to turn into exporters of FC tyres!!!

Who else could we market/sell these tyres to in OZ/NZ?
The army? (lol)
N

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Neil

Eeek 1 X 40' container! How many tyres would that be???? I wonder if that is all the one size? If not we would need to find a Yellow Sea Tyre importer, this morning I was having 2 Michelin fitted to my Rangie and asked the question, they had never seen the pattern but know of the Yellow Sea tyres although they sell Triangle. They have taken the page from the website and are investigating for me.

You are right I would prefer Michelin radials but at $700 each they are out of my league at present.

I wonder if we could find a Yellow Sea distributor who sells individual tyres - if you get a reply how about asking for a list of wholesale/retailer supplier?

In the mean time I am going to proceed with the Universals at least for a trial, I have two vehicles after all. Was working on the relay this morning and my relay is moving in the chassis so I need to do the modification myself.

Talk soon.

Diana

[brookvale]

Latest from 1st Chinese place:

Dear Mr.Abbott:
Thanks for your coming letter.
We have no exclusive agent in your part.
But this size is not available after the olympic games.Now for our yellowsea brand,only 11r20,11r22.5, 315/80r22.5,295/80r22.5 are available and in short supply.
If you are interested in these,pls kindly let us know,we will arrange the earliest shipment date for you.
Looking forward to cooperate with you.
----------------
Another possible source of 900x16 down the tubes!

Let's hope the other place has some better news!
Neil

[101RRS]

$220 each

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi People

Have just placed an order for 3 of the Universal STA Superlugs the price landed in Sydney will be $A284.30 each unfortunately there will be a 6% increase on 1st July so ordered the remaining 2 for dispatch 30 June.

Lets see what happens.

Diana

[brookvale]

Hi Garrycol - who has the Michies (MRF?) for $220?
thanks
Neil

[101RRS]

Hi Garrycol - who has the Michies (MRF?) for $220?
thanks
Neil

ag tyres wholesale
PO Box 1056
Moree
NSW
info@agtyres.com.au
Phone: Toll Free1800 028 988
Fax: 02 6752 4299

They are a wholesaler but can tell you who their dealer is in your area. Actually the price was $214 delivered to my local transport depot.

The tyres are Indian MRF and you can get them in a sand pattern or bar tread. They are 8 ply but the original FC 101 military goodyear tyres were only 6 ply.
MRF Exports | Tyres | Military Service - Sandgrip (http://www.mrf-exports.com/product_details.asp?c=22&s=&p=94)
MRF Exports | Tyres | Military Service - NDMS (http://www.mrf-exports.com/product_details.asp?c=22&s=&p=23)

[brookvale]

Thanks Garry - I've now found an NZ MRF dealer and have asked for pricing (likley to be in the NZ$350~ $400 range no doubt!

Have you used these or heard what the are like?

[101RRS]

I have absolutely no idea - I have them fitted to my truck and only covered about 15k - seemed Ok but who can tell on that distance. I wanted cheap to pass registration pending a later purchase of wider wheels and better tyres.

These were the cheapest I could find so suit my purpose at the moment.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/06/218.jpg ___ http://www.universaltire.com/images/STA-Superlug-900-16.jpg _____ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/10/821.jpg __________ http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/fcs-military-variations/9429d1215306695t-9-00-16-tyres-06072008-002-.jpg__________ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/06/219.jpg
Michelin XZL (aprox $700/tyre) - Universal Superlug ($300 July08) - Alliance Traction Lug ($380 Jan08) - MRF Sand Grip ($220 April08) - MRF NDMS

Michelin available from Michelin retailers (not always available)

Universal STA-9.00 Superlug available from Universal Tire (US)
http://www.universaltire.com (http://www.universaltire.com/cart.php'target=product&product_id=24896&category_id=343)
1-800-233-3827
2994 Elizabethtown Road
Hershey, PA 17033
sales@universaltire.com

Alliance Traction Lug available from Tyres4U
http://www.tyres4u.com.au/ (http://www.tyres4u.com.au/brandselector_doc-allprodproducts_img-all_show.aspx)
NEW SOUTH WALES
Sydney
165 - 171 Milton Street
ASHFIELD NSW 2131
Postal:PO Box 233
ASHFIELD NSW 2131
FREECALL: 1800 722 822
FREEFAX: 1800 788 988
wayneb@tyres4u.com.au
NZ Agentandrewg@trstyreandwheel.co.nz

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/06/220.jpg
MRF available from "Moree Ag Tyres Wholesale"
PO Box 1056
Moree
NSW
info@agtyres.com.au
Phone: Toll Free1800 028 988
Fax: 02 6752 4299
or local agricultural tyre retailers via Ag Tyres.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Garry

Do you have any photos of your MRF Sandgrips? So far I've only seen artists drawings, a pic IRL would be good.

Diana

[101 Ron]

My MRF bar treads are OK , just like the other bar tread tyres I have used.
I have friends with 900x16 MRF tyres on old Dodge 4x4s and they OK, but not in the same class as more modern design of tyres,

[101RRS]

Garry

Do you have any photos of your MRF Sandgrips? So far I've only seen artists drawings, a pic IRL would be good.

Diana

Sorry no - and I will not be able to take one for a week or so. However they are the same as the pic you have in your post above. They are the same size on the wheel as a Goodyear or Nankang Bar Tread but look just a tad narrower but that might be simply because I am comparing new tyres with worn ones. Cheap and nasty I would say but I suspect as good as any bar treads.

Garry

[brookvale]

Diana,
My Chinese tyre lady friend now says:
Dear Mr.Abbott:
I appreciate your circumspective reading and fast reply very much.
As to this size,because of the limited ourput and olympic games,we supply our domestic market only at present.
After olympic,we will get new production and marketing plan,then we can specially offer to you.
The price is around USD160.00,and the minimum order is one container,
Best regards to you,
Yours,
Alicia


I am guessing my order will need to be for about 300 tyres at least :eek:
Got US$50K + freight going spare?

Looking forward to hearing how your Superluggers drive.
Neil

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Sorry no - and I will not be able to take one for a week or so. However they are the same as the pic you have in your post above. ...

... Garry
Garry

I asked, because the Michie XZL pic shows 2 rows of centre blocks (including on the larger pic previously posted), however if you look back a few pages there is a pic of an XZL behind a Defender (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/fcs-military-variations/50234-9-00-16-tyres.html#post677293). On the tyre you can read 9.00 R1? but there is only 1 row of centre blocks. My thoughts were that this was less attractive, although I am sure I spied an OKA with 9.00 16 and two rows of blocks.

Diana, ...

...The price is around USD160.00,and the minimum order is one container,
Best regards to you,
Yours,
Alicia

I am guessing my order will need to be for about 300 tyres at least :eek:
Got US$50K + freight going spare?

Looking forward to hearing how your Superluggers drive.
Neil
Yuk :eek:

Does anyone know of an Army looking for new 9.00 16 radial tyres????

Then again we only need 60 forward controls to use up a batch :( - Are there than many left anywhere???? Not in my suburb in any case. My guess they need to run a batch to make it worthwhile tooling up.

Anyone know a corrupt Chinese Army storeman?

Surely there could be a run of the Chinese domestic market and a couple of dozen could be added to an order of various tyres for an Au or NZ distributor. We just need to find one.

Diana

[brookvale]

ahah! - we don't need so many $$$....

Chinese lady says : 20 container is around 230pcs !!

In passing:
Was on job at local port yesterday inspecting a 60m yacht mast going to on a ship to Europe. Ops manager for ship comes up "Hi Neil - saw your LR CLub sticker on your Rangie. I've just bought a Disco for off-roading". chit chat etc - got on well.
Then... "If you need a few things shipped out from Europe to NZ, let me know. Just get the stuff delivered to Antwerp and I'll get them put on the ship" [ie for free] Not a container load but perhaps 5 tyres? - "oh yes no probs" says he.

I might just think about those Michie XZL aircrafttyres . com ones now - even though they're re-treads... A few Euros for trucking from Amsterdam to Antwerp and we're up and running....
Neil

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Has anyone over here even seen the Turkish brand Petlars? Apparently, they are quite common in Europe often seen on NATO vehicles.

http://www.cmoes.com/fc110/vetransbilensdag080524.jpg

Neil

Perhaps your cargo mate could bring in a few of those?

Diana

[brookvale]

These look like Petlas NT3
PETLAS NT 3 - NT 3 (http://www.petlas.com.tr/page_en.php?ID=1152)

The speed limit is said to be.... wait for it... 30km/hr :eek:
The site says these are in the "Trailer" section so no wonder...
(or should that be "Trialler"?)

and just found this via lro website:

petlas nt3 (http://www.janakglobal.com/_pages/_subpages/_petlas/nt_3.htm)
No mention of 30kmh limit on that page!
see lro forum (http://www.lro.com/forum/viewtopic.php't=11946&sid=c92fd073957d3703458208b9aebae138)

Does PR = Ply rating? - is more ply stiffer or versa vice?

[Phoenix]

THe more ply, the stiffer the tyre, yes

[Lotz-A-Landies]

A man arrived at the front door today.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/07/1235.jpg

The rim and tyre at the front is an 8.25 16 retread on a 543384 (S2a/early S2B ) rim.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/09/1083.jpg

8 ply and 3030 lbs single load rating.

They look good now to get things mobile to try them out. :D

Diana

[101RRS]

Garry

Do you have any photos of your MRF Sandgrips? So far I've only seen artists drawings, a pic IRL would be good.

Diana

Finally able to get some pics - not the best though.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Garry

They don't look too bad, would have better grip on the road than bar tread and still have a "military look" just right for the 101"!

Diana

[101RRS]

My old bar treads were just too worn for rego so I had to get tyres for that and to give me time to investigate better wheel/tyre options - but I still haven't got the truck ready yet. I want to get wider wheels and suitable tyres but haven't worked out what I will do yet, so at just over $200 delivered these are a good stop gap - they I will have some reasonable spares wheels/tyres.

I will probably get Performance TX1 Industrial Alloys 16x8 as they already make wheels to fit landies and you can get whatever stud pattern you want when the wheels are made - cost is about $180 per wheel depending on finish.

This opens up tyre options greatly and also makes decent radials an option.

Cheers

Garry

[dylan gover]

my dad has on ,
we in austinmer, it lives in his machining factory in unanderra
clive 42673859 hes always up for a landy yarn.

Phoenix

Yes they do do a bar tread in the smalles sizes 6.00 16 for sure because I have them, and I believe also in the larger sizes. However if one intends to do long distances a compromise tyre would be ideal. Triangle, a Chinese brand have a highway lug pattern in 9.00 16 listed in their catalogue.

It is a bit similar to the old All Purpose Lug (Olympic I think) but so far I have not found a Triangle importer who bring it into Australia.

My local tyre service (Cooke's Truck Tyre Service Nowra), suggested that Triangles used to be quite poor quality however that has recently improved and no complaints from customers in the last little while. The 8.25 16 was about $200 last time I asked.

If others are interested, a group order may be possible. I have also recently heard that Beaurepaires are another Triangle importer, so my next stop will be them.

Would anyone else be interested in a Highway lug on a 101 or 109/110 F/C?

Diana

[101RRS]

my dad has on ,
we in austinmer, it lives in his machining factory in unanderra
clive 42673859 hes always up for a landy yarn.

Hmm - can you have a think about rewriting this post - I am having a little trouble working out what it says;)

I assume your dad has a 101 - you live in Austimer and the 101 stays at Unanderra.

If so is this the 101 - I saw it a number of times in the Austimer, Coledale, Bulli area two months ago.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/fcs-military-variations/61411-spotted-austimer-beach.htm

Cheers

Garry

[101RRS]

Someone might be interested - works out about the same circ as 9.00x16 - maybe just a tad wider.

4WD Tyres 285/85-16 Defender OKA Landrover Landcruiser - eBay 4x4 Accessories, Exterior, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 02-Nov-08 12:48:25 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/4WD-Tyres-285-85-16-Defender-OKA-Landrover-Landcruiser_W0QQitemZ190262180737QQcmdZViewItem?ha sh=item190262180737&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A10|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

Garry

[dylan gover]

yes it was, hes got a 2b in need of rubber aswell

Hmm - can you have a think about rewriting this post - I am having a little trouble working out what it says;)

I assume your dad has a 101 - you live in Austimer and the 101 stays at Unanderra.

If so is this the 101 - I saw it a number of times in the Austimer, Coledale, Bulli area two months ago.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/fcs-military-variations/61411-spotted-austimer-beach.htm

Cheers

Garry

[101RRS]

yes it was, hes got a 2b in need of rubber aswell

I take it that your dad was in the Austimer Pub when I first spotted the 101 in the car park across the road from the Pub :D.

We noticed that the truck has freewheeling hubs - can you give us an idea of what modifications have been made to the drivetrain - ie just freewheeling hubs and drived with the diff locked locked or has it full conversion been done to put in a part time system in the transfer case.

Thanks

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

O.K guys

Whats the current best option for tyres on a 101?

Garry how are you finding the MRF sandgrips?

Ron (or anyone else) have you tried the Silverstone's? What is the size and pattern?

Would anyone use Alliance Traction Grip.

Diana

P.S. Miss Guided two has been adopted and moving to Sydney (before you ask, no not me)!

[101RRS]

Garry how are you finding the MRF sandgrips?


For the 5km that I have done on them - fine:D.

I have been very, very lazy:mad: and not done much to the 101:(


Tyres are not a problem if you have wider rims.

For a 101 really stiffed walled tyres like those with very high play ratings and the Michelins are not much chop because of the very stiff suspension. The 101 is only speced as original for 6 ply tyres, though most have heavier tyres on their trucks.

So Diana - you talking 900x16s for a 101 or a series 2 FC. If the series 2 has softer suspension I would go the heavier ply rated tyres.

To me the compromise between price and performance on standard rims would be the Alliance - I did price them at just over $300 but availability was poor.

The MRFs are an unknown but I only got them to make the 101 legal for rego and to give me some breathing space while I work out what to do - I am leaning to either some performance alloy wheels or to get widened rims put on me centres.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks Garry

I guess the Alliance are a known brand and I have a friend who recently contacted a tyre mob who could acquire a set of 4 but they had to come from all over the country.

I have let Iain know about the Traction Lug and where to go to get them and also the Sand Grip so will see what he goes with.

Diana

[101 Ron]

Still got the MRF bar treads on the front and cannot see any problems with them.
MRFs are the cheapest option, but are old tech.
I will get silverstones if I ever wear out the bar treads as they are not much dearer and you get radial tech tyres.
Another option is to widen existing rims 50mm and fit what ever you want.
Ron

[Bigbjorn]

I gather you FC owners have trouble sourcing 9.00 x 16 tyres. A mate has a Bedford J3MM (much modified) which is a tug for his historic race car. He is using 235/85 x 16 steel light truck radials sourced from the local Bob Jane at Coorparoo at a quite reasonable price. I know these are not 9.00 x 16's as required by nit-picking purist restorers but are the same size within a couple of hairs and would be a much better driver.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

.... He is using 235/85 x 16 steel light truck radials sourced from the local Bob Jane at Coorparoo at a quite reasonable price. I know these are not 9.00 x 16's as required by nit-picking purist restorers but are the same size within a couple of hairs and would be a much better driver.Brian

While I most usually respect your views and knowledge, on this point you are way off the mark.

Tyre 1 is your 235/85 R16, Tyre 2 is a 255/100 R16 (the Michelin metric size for the double size branded XZL 9.00 16) http://www.exploroz.com/Vehicle/Tyres/SizeCalc.aspx (although I don't actually trust the sites conversion factors when it reports the 9.00 16 = 230/100 R16)

Results for your selected Wheel/Tyre 1
Rolling Radius 402.95mm
Circumference 2531.81mm
Diameter 805.9mm
Wheel Cover Size Size 009

Results for your selected Wheel/Tyre 2
Rolling Radius 458.2mm
Circumference 2878.96mm
Diameter 916.4mm
Wheel Cover Size Size not available

Differences between Wheel/Tyre 1 & 2
Rolling Radius 55.25mm
Circumference 347.15mm
Diameter 110.5mm

With the difference in diameter of over 4" I would like to see the animal that has hairs of that size!

Diana

[Bigbjorn]

Brian

While I most usually respect your views and knowledge, on this point you are way off the mark.

Tyre 1 is your 235/85 R16, Tyre 2 is a 255/100 R16 (the Michelin metric size for the double size branded XZL 9.00 16) http://www.exploroz.com/Vehicle/Tyres/SizeCalc.aspx (although I don't actually trust the sites conversion factors when it reports the 9.00 16 = 230/100 R16)

Results for your selected Wheel/Tyre 1
Rolling Radius 402.95mm
Circumference 2531.81mm
Diameter 805.9mm
Wheel Cover Size Size 009

Results for your selected Wheel/Tyre 2
Rolling Radius 458.2mm
Circumference 2878.96mm
Diameter 916.4mm
Wheel Cover Size Size not available

Differences between Wheel/Tyre 1 & 2
Rolling Radius 55.25mm
Circumference 347.15mm
Diameter 110.5mm

With the difference in diameter of over 4" I would like to see the animal that has hairs of that size!

Diana

Maybe the girl in the Rugby song:angel:

Seriously, I can see where the difference in profile would be a problem with a Land Rover FC with slow gearing and low power. Mate's Bedford has a 3.7 diff, overdrive, and around 250 horsepower. That size works well on it.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Brian

Are you sure of the size you mentioned? The tyre in question would be about the same as standard Defender tyres (which I think are about the same as 7.50 16s)!

The big problem with finding 35" or 36" diameter tyres equivalent to the 9.00 16 for the forward controls is that the aspect ratio requires such wide rims and the OEM rims on the F/Cs are only 6.5" which are narrower than the Disco steel or Range Rover alloy rims.

Diana

[Bigbjorn]

Brian

Are you sure of the size you mentioned? The tyre in question would be about the same as standard Defender tyres (which I think are about the same as 7.50 16s)!

The big problem with finding 35" or 36" diameter tyres equivalent to the 9.00 16 for the forward controls is that the aspect ratio requires such wide rims and the OEM rims on the F/Cs are only 6.5" which are narrower than the Disco steel or Range Rover alloy rims.

Diana

J2 & J3 Bedfords had either 7.50 x 16 or 8.25 x 16 in appropriate ply ratings as OEM. As I said, they work on the Bedford. It is using 8" rims. Also has a large GMC V6, RTO-610 transmission, Rockwell light truck diff, air/hydraulic brakes. J3MM is the owners little bon mot, MM for "much modified". Cab, chassis, front axle is about all that is still Bedford.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks Brian

It sounds like an interesting Bedford, I hope it is not one of the many of those series Bedfords running around the Sub-Continent! :wasntme:

BTW: I learn't to drive on a Bedford! An OLB type something similar to the one below but with a non-slewing crane body.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Bigbjorn]

Thanks Brian

It sounds like an interesting Bedford, I hope it is not one of the many of those series Bedfords running around the Sub-Continent! :wasntme:

BTW: I learn't to drive on a Bedford! An OLB type something similar to the one below but with a non-slewing crane body.

http://hostmysite.org.uk/banburysteam/images/main/annual_rally/10176%20bedford%20lorry.jpg

No picture was the stern reply. Only got a square with a little red cross in it. The J's were normal control trucks sold through the 60's and early 70's. Capacities sold went from two tons up to (I think, memory getting hazy) 5 or 6 tons.

Friend decided to build a really good trailer for his race cars and after that built up something decent to pull it. The trailer has three x two ton axles with load sharing suspension he designed with a lot of hints from a Hendrickson springless load sharing design. Trailer suspension is by Aeon rubber springs.

Edit. Picture has now appeared. That is a much earlier model.

[Bigbjorn]

Just been on the 'phone with the Bedford owner. It has a GMC 401 Magnum V6, which has been tickled up a bit and uses mostly LPG driving through a Fuller RTO610. As originally built up, it had a 292 Mexico Chev. in-line 6 and 5 speed trans.

He was on a search and rescue mission, as he terms them, in the USA looking for needed bits and went to a truck wrecker on behalf of another fiddler and found this engine. 401 cubic inches (6.6 litres).

The 292 Mexico Chev. is a good trick for a q-ship. I have seen one in an EH. It is the spitting image of a red Holden just a little bigger overall. Painted and decalled, it can pass for a 202 but is just over 5 litres with a bit of a bore job.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

...
The 292 Mexico Chev. is a good trick for a q-ship. I have seen one in an EH. It is the spitting image of a red Holden just a little bigger overall. Painted and decalled, it can pass for a 202 but is just over 5 litres with a bit of a bore job.Didn't the Australian version of these, particularly the 4X4 have the US/Mexican Chev 292 in-line 6?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/10/1657.jpg

[Bigbjorn]

Didn't the Australian version of these, particularly the 4X4 have the US/Mexican Chev 292 in-line 6?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/10/1657.jpg

Yes, indeed. Some Oz Bedfords were sold with the Mexico Chev. You should be able to find one at a truck wreckers. That one pictured is a KMR with what looks like pommie plates so would most likely have had a Bedford 466 diesel. Oz Bedfords had an eclectic mix of engines over the years. 214 & 300 Bedford petrol, several Bedford diesels, Leyland 400, Mexico Chev, Holden 308, Detroit 6V53. I may have forgotten some.

[dobbo]

if 9.00 = 9 inches and 1in = 2.54mm how can 9.00 = 255mm?




Brian

While I most usually respect your views and knowledge, on this point you are way off the mark.

Tyre 1 is your 235/85 R16, Tyre 2 is a 255/100 R16 (the Michelin metric size for the double size branded XZL 9.00 16) Tyre Size Calculator @ ExplorOz (http://www.exploroz.com/Vehicle/Tyres/SizeCalc.aspx) (although I don't actually trust the sites conversion factors when it reports the 9.00 16 = 230/100 R16)

Results for your selected Wheel/Tyre 1
Rolling Radius 402.95mm
Circumference 2531.81mm
Diameter 805.9mm
Wheel Cover Size Size 009

Results for your selected Wheel/Tyre 2
Rolling Radius 458.2mm
Circumference 2878.96mm
Diameter 916.4mm
Wheel Cover Size Size not available

Differences between Wheel/Tyre 1 & 2
Rolling Radius 55.25mm
Circumference 347.15mm
Diameter 110.5mm

With the difference in diameter of over 4" I would like to see the animal that has hairs of that size!

Diana

[Lotz-A-Landies]

if 9.00 = 9 inches and 1in = 2.54mm how can 9.00 = 255mm?Ask Michelin, they are the ones who brand their 255/100 R16 as 9.00 16 equivalent!

My thoughts it is because of the different way tyres are measured in imperial and metric standards.

[50LRO]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/1113.jpg

[123rover50]

About 10 years ago I changed from the Alliance nato pattern to Michelin XY,s. The fitters hated fitting them on the FC rims because the tyres are slightly larger than 16 inches and they cant centre them properly, so they are a bugger to balance. I get wheel wobble when I get near a 100ks.
Measure a 750 or a 205 and the bead measures 16'. These measure about 16 3/16'.
I wonder if the 255,s are the same.?
The fitter also said that the 255,s are too wide for the FC 6 1/2' rim.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

About 10 years ago I changed from the Alliance nato pattern to Michelin XY,s. The fitters hated fitting them on the FC rims because the tyres are slightly larger than 16 inches and they cant centre them properly, so they are a bugger to balance. I get wheel wobble when I get near a 100ks.
Measure a 750 or a 205 and the bead measures 16'. These measure about 16 3/16'.
I wonder if the 255,s are the same.?
The fitter also said that the 255,s are too wide for the FC 6 1/2' rim.I'd be finding a new tyre fitter, your one doesn't know what he's talking about and he may also not be able to do his job properly if his fitting is like his information. I wonder if the tires they were fitting were the US 16" which are larger bead and sometimes called 16.5, you should never fit a tyre which has a bead larger than the rim.

Michelin Technical tyre catalogue (http://www.michelintransport.com/ple/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=51&lang=EN&action=detail1)

255/100 R 16 XZL TL 126K MI
The actual measurements could change with the creation of new tread patterns. For design of new vehicles, use the ETRTO "box" or consult us.

Michelin reference 110650
Ply rating
Unique point 134J
Nominal load per axle - single fitment (kg) 3400
Nominal load per axle - twinned fitment (kg)
Nominal pressure in bars (single fitment) 4.5
Nominal pressure in bars (twinned fitment)
Nominal pressure in bars (unique point) 5.75
Wheel recommended 16-6.50 H
ETRTO section (mm) 260
ETRTO diameter (mm) 946
Free section (mm) 255
Free diameter (mm) 923
Crushed section (mm) 286
Crushed radius (mm) 426
Rolling circumference (mm) 2810
Minimum distance between axle centres (mm)
Tread depth (mm) 16.5
Regrooving depth (mm)
Weight in kg 39.9
Tube
Flap
Sealing ring Jt 1967
Regulation 54 7700
ETRTO approved rims 16-6.00 G

Single fitment pressure 3.0 3.25 3.5 3.75 4.0 4.25 4.5
load per axle 2430 2590 2750 2910 3080 3240 3400

[Lotz-A-Landies]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/11/1113.jpgWouldn't I love to find that pile of tyres! :) :) :)

I bet it's in Europe or the UK! :(

[101RRS]

Ask Michelin, they are the ones who brand their 255/100 R16 as 9.00 16 equivalent!

My thoughts it is because of the different way tyres are measured in imperial and metric standards.

I you have a look at Iain Reed's 101 with the Michelins with the standard bar treads you will see they are a bit wider than the bar treads. By the books - 255 tyres are probably too wide for 6.5" rims but they clearly work OK lets stick with a good thing - shame about their price though.

My MRFs are not wearing well and I have a slightly damaged sidewall where I scrapped a curb and will be again looking at tyres soon. Options have not improved since the last time I looked.

I think I will end up putting on 8" or 10" performance industrial alloys on my 101 so that I can then use a better range and better quality tyres on my 101 and keep my current wheels for special occasions.

Garry

[101RRS]

Just measured my MRFs and my original Goodyear Bar tread spare - while the calculators come up with 35.5" both types of tyres are actually 34".

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I you have a look at Iain Reed's 101 with the Michelins with the standard bar treads you will see they are a bit wider than the bar treads. By the books - 255 tyres are probably too wide for 6.5" rims but they clearly work OK lets stick with a good thing - shame about their price though....Garry

I don't know which "books" you are reading, the book I read from was the Michelin Technical tyre catalogue and 6.5 inch rim is the recommended size for their 255/100 R16.

Not good news on your MRF's though! :BigCry:

Diana

[101RRS]

I guess different sites say different things - I understood the max size for 6.5" rims was supposed to be 235mm width.

Whatever it is - with the exception of the Michelins, good tyres in the required size are almost impossible to get.

Garry

[101 Ron]

My bar treads are wearing quickly too.
Bar treads aways wear quick on tarred roads and always will.
The MRFs and the Nakang and the other one which is just marked miltiary non directional are all wearing at the same rate.
Interestingly I measured the OD of the 900x 16s and found 34 inch and when worn 33 inch.
I think Cooee had the right idea and go to a 8 inch rim.
Cost is stopping me doing this and just a general lack of money.
Current price of 900x16 bar treads is 230 dollars each plus GST and delivery( I had to buy some for a customer at work the other day)
285/8516 silver stone Extreme MT tyres cost only slightly more, but must take a 8 inch rim.
Radial tyres on a 101 would make a huge difference to ride and off road grip though tyre flex.
As for on road.......any thing is better than a bar tread, especially in the wet.

[tankradio2]

On the subject of cost I recently had to replace a Michelin XZL to give me a spare for the four on my vehicle. The tyre case with tube was just under $700 Aud for just one tyre !!!

I still have in storage a set of new bar tread MRFs yet to be fitted but they seem to be a far more financially viable option.

Cheers

Phill

[101RRS]

Was just quoted $900 per tyre for a Michelin:o. The guy did offer to retread my old bar tread cases for $300 each :o. No one has ever heard of Alliance tyres.

The soft compound MRFs would seem to be good value at about $220 each even if they do wear a bit.

Garry

[101RRS]

Anyone used these from Antique Tyres

16900 | Antique Tyres (http://www.antiquetyres.com.au/16900)

They want $440 each and $40 for tubes - basically double the price of similar MRFs.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

..... No one has ever heard of Alliance tyres.
...Garry

Tyres 4U http://live.tyres4u.com.au are the importer and their local distributor is "ACT Tyre Brake & Mechanical"

The tyre is listed on their website MPT; NATO Traction Lug Special (http://live.tyres4u.com.au/info/showbrand.aspx'stockcode=28910&catid=3)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/10/821.jpg

Diana

[101RRS]

their local distributor is "ACT Tyre Brake & Mechanical"

Diana

Thanks Diana I will give them a ring and see what they have to say.

Garry

[101RRS]

Rang them - they have not heard of Alliance Tyres and did not know they were a dealer for them - they are a Bridgstone and Continental Tyre dealer.

However they are checking.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Rang them - they have not heard of Alliance Tyres and did not know they were a dealer for them - they are a Bridgstone and Continental Tyre dealer...Garry

That's a bit interesting but probably correct. 18 months ago when I was looking for 9.00 16 I found the Alliance on the Tyres 4U site, sent an email to them then received a reply from Chalmer's Truck Tyre Service in Euston Road Alexandria. Apparently Tyres4U had forwarded on the contact.

You may have to do that, you also may have to find a truck tyre service that can handle such a large case.

Diana

[101RRS]

Tyres 4U Tyres 4U (http://live.tyres4u.com.au) are the importer and their local distributor is "ACT Tyre Brake & Mechanical"

The tyre is listed on their website MPT; NATO Traction Lug Special (http://live.tyres4u.com.au/info/showbrand.aspx'stockcode=28910&catid=3)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/10/821.jpg

Diana

Spoke to Tyres4U - very helpful. There about 10 of these tyres in country with a new shipment about to arrive. The Canberra dealer is Central Tyre Service - who I rang price is just under $400 a tyre - about half the cost of Michelins, the same price as the Firestone bar treads and just under double the price of MRF bar treads/sand grips.

Another door seems to open on the tyre front.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

At $400 it only $20 more than it was from Chalmers Tyre service 18 months ago.

I prefer the NATO pattern over bar tread if only because of the grooves in the bars as well as the bars themselves.

What I won't say is that I actually did some re-grooving of a couple of Alliance NATO pattern Traction Grip. Ron will most probably agree with me that only tyres branded regroovable should be re-grooved.

Also I sharn't say the same thing about some 12.00 20 Dunlop NATO pattern tyres and re-grooving. (Honest officer - I didn't re-groove the tyre, there was no groove that low in the first place). No I haven't gone below the wear indicator bars. But doesn't it make a worn appearence look like it actually has the life indicated by the wear indicator bars.

[101RRS]

What I won't say is that I actually did some re-grooving of a couple of Alliance NATO pattern Traction Grip.

You just did say it:D.

Oh - and you are being missed on the Series 1 Club site - there is even a thread just on you being MIA.
http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php'topic=2907.0;topicseen

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You just did say it:D.

Oh - and you are being missed on the Series 1 Club site - there is even a thread just on you being MIA.
GarryWhat me? Said what? I deny all and everything I said!

BTW: On the LRSOC, that is someone else called Diane!

Diana

P.S. I was thinking about taking a new identity: What do you think about "Sue Narmee"? :D

[101RRS]

On the LRSOC, that is someone else called Diane!

Diana

P.S. I was thinking about taking a new identity: What do you think about "Sue Narmee"? :D

So there is a Diane from Australia on the club site?

Took me a while to get the new name - but got it now.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

So there is a Diane from Australia on the club site?
There must be a Diane, has another name Antechinus and is a member of the Forward Control / 1 Ton forum!

:D ;)

Garry - who was the fourth 101 at the Winter Rally, not Ron or Iain, I thought that he had Alliance tyres on his 101 or were they regular bar tread.

I know Miss Guided II had Alliance Traction Lugs when Steve Priestly had it, although they were worn out by the time that he sold it to Iain.

Diana

[101RRS]

The other 101 belonged to John Potter - I don't think he is on AULRO. Iain's is now running Michelins and John's had bar treads.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The other 101 belonged to John Potter - I don't think he is on AULRO. Iain's is now running Michelins and John's had bar treads.

Garry"John" that's right :imwithstupid:

Bar treads with one missing bar! He wasn't much interested in our nailing on a cleat to replace the absent piece of tread was he! :D

But we did know he was coming down the road -> thump ---- thump ---- thump- ---- thump :angel:

[DeanoH]

Spoke to Tyres4U - very helpful. There about 10 of these tyres in country with a new shipment about to arrive. The Canberra dealer is Central Tyre Service - who I rang price is just under $400 a tyre - about half the cost of Michelins, the same price as the Firestone bar treads and just under double the price of MRF bar treads/sand grips.

Another door seems to open on the tyre front.

Garry

Just bought myself an OKA which runs 900R16's and followed up with Alliance tyres. No load rating is stated on Alliance or Tyres 4U web sites but the local agent checked and was quoted 1530Kg @ 60psi; this translates to a rating of 122/123.

As for sub $400, Central Tyre Service quoted me $570 each !!! You've got to be dreaming. My local Advance dealer quoted me $460 each. Still a long way from sub $400 but a hell of a lot better than $570.

Anyone out there got any of these tyres ?, how do you find them and what did they cost?

Deano

[123rover50]

30,000 kays and my first flat with the Mitchelins. The fitter said that it was not a puncture but the thin tube pinching between tyre and wheel.Bit pee,d of as I had asked for the best quality tubes.
Happened to me 20 yrs ago crossing Simpson with Alliance Nato,s, had to buy new agricultural tubes in the Alice.
Does any know and reccomend any tubes that will cure this problem?
Cannot seem to buy 900 x 16 heavy ag tubes now.

Didiman

[Lotz-A-Landies]

One of the big problems with radial tyres is that they are often designed to run tubeless, so the inside walls can be quite rough often with ridges. The tyre may have "tubeless" written on the case.

It is this roughness that wears the tubes.

It is often hard these days to buy radial tyres designed for tubes. :mad:

[123rover50]

One of the big problems with radial tyres is that they are often designed to run tubeless, so the inside walls can be quite rough often with ridges. The tyre may have "tubeless" written on the case.

It is this roughness that wears the tubes.

It is often hard these days to buy radial tyres designed for tubes. :mad:

These are all tube type. Just crap tubes I think.

Didiman

[iain reed]

Funny you should be chatting about that ... one of my Michelin has a slow leak ... very boring. I have tubes in them and I am off to have a go at the guy's who put them in .. when I get some time off !!!

[101RRS]

The front tyres on my 101 have leaks and have to be topped up every couple of days. I know the tubes in them are old and are not worth repairing so I have been looking for the correct 9.00x16 tubes.

I cannot find any locally but one supplier has 11.00x15/16 tubes which he claims will go into my tyres.

I am not so sure - is the 11" tubes too wide and likewise the diameter is for 15 or 16" tyres so will they be too stretched.

Any one used 11.00x15/16 tubes and if so, how were they.

Thanks

Garry

[101 Ron]

I have had no problems in the pass for tubes as the tyre mob at Mooree can supply as can a industrial tyre company called Bearcat tyres which are whole sale........but I deal with them at work.
They tend to be a bit expensive at $30.00 per tube ?
You must state if you want long or short valves........short valves is whats needed.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

...I cannot find any locally but one supplier has 11.00x15/16 tubes which he claims will go into my tyres.

I am not so sure - is the 11" tubes too wide and likewise the diameter is for 15 or 16" tyres so will they be too stretched.

Any one used 11.00x15/16 tubes and if so, how were they.Garry not used 11.00 15/16 tubes before, however I would be wary of going up a width if you are intending on lowering tyre pressures off road.

It was a common practice to use the next smaller size of tube in a 4X4 tyre (6.50 or 7.00 instead of 7.50 16) so that when you deflated the pressure the tube didn't crease and fold within the rim giving the tube a potential of getting pinched between the bead and the rim.

In the case of a 9.00 16 tyre it would mean using 8.25 16 tubes which should be quite common anywhere.

Diana

[wovenrovings]

I have trouble with the tubes in my 7.50r16 tyres. On enquiring if better quality tubes were available i was told they are all made in korea and much thinner than they used to be.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Isn't it great that these people in the chase for the almighty bottom line don't care that there is no quality anymore. Even price is no measure of quality, just a measure of how gullible you are.

Even that Australian iconic brand "Furphy" cast iron camp ovens are cast in China these days and still cost 5 times the price of regular Chinese cast iron camp irons. :mad: :mad:

Diana

[101RRS]

The 11" tubes were Korean made and based on the deflation issue I might give them a miss. Will keep looking.

Garry

[101RRS]

Managed to find a place that had 5 Mr Tubes 9.00x16 tubes. These are Korean made but are as thick as the original Goodyears.

I bought the five and had two fitted to my two front tyres which have been going down.

One tube that came out was a no-name 9.00 - 10.00X 16 tube and showed severe evidence of having been doubled up in the tyre. The other tube was a genuine Goodyear 9.00x16 but it also had a few areas where it had been doubled up.

Wheels were OK but some heavy rust around the valve hole - cleaned up and painted. Also both tubes had patches on them - all on the inside - it seems the rivets in the wheel can cause some damage.

So I now have two new tubes in the front and three spares for when the rears start playing up.

Garry

[123rover50]

Is the name of the tubes Mr Tubes ?
What dealer handles them ?
Thanks Didiman

[101RRS]

The brand name is Mr. Tubes and is distributed by TA Tubes Australia.

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

One of the things to do to the new beastie, is to have it re-shod. From reading various fora and other documentation, I think the Michelin XZL 255/100R16 would best suit. I am not after a super aggressive super swamper or anything extreme. Of the +200k I travelled in my old Landy less than 10k was on dirt. The old Dunlop Super Grippers were more aggressive than I needed.

Do the contributors to this forum have any recommendations of where I could get the best price and service for the Michelins in the Melbourne/Ballarat/Geelong area?
Also, are there any recommendations of any alternative to this tyre?

Thankyou
regards
Mick

[101RRS]

Mick - if you want to stay at 35" tyre options are limited more modern radial tyres in that size are too wide for the standard 6.5" rims - michelins are the best but a little stiff in the sidewalls for an unladen 101 however they do cost big dollars $600 and up.

MRFs are around $250 and are available in bar treads or sand treads but are not as long lasting but for the price are OK.

Firestones from Antique Tyres are in bar treads for around $450. Alliance do a nato bar tread (bar tread with grooves for about $500).

That is about it in standard size - Goodyears are no longer available.

If you were happy to go down to 33-34" tyres then some of the main brands like Simex etc may fit.

The Michelins certainly go well on the 101 especially with a bit of weight. Iain Reed has them and seems happy. If you want old bar treads - then the MRF is a cheap alternative. 101 Ron has them and seems happy. I have MRF sand grips - the rears are wearing well but the fronts are wearing quickly (maybe need an alignment) and the sidewalls have taken a bit of a battering both onroad (gutters) and offroad with sharp rocks. However for the price I would get them again.

Garry

[101 Ron]

garry has pretty much nailed it.

[Mick_Marsh]

garry has pretty much nailed it.
Not his tyres I hope!

Thanks guy's. I'll check out the MRFs. If I'm not happy with them, I'll go the Michelins. Costco sell Michelins at a very good proce but not the XZLs. Bu##er. (Oops. Toyotaism.) The alliance are too chunky for the sort of driving I would do. So are bar treads.

regards
Mick

[101RRS]

I have picked up on another thread that Ag Tyres in Moree have been taken over by a major tyre company (Maxxis?) and are no longer selling MRF tyres. I have not confirmed it myself as yet.

I checked with Ag Tyres in May and they no longer sold the Sand Grip version of the 9.00x16 Bar treads and it seems they no longer sell the bar threads.

Looking on the net this company are selling bar treads on the right size. I assume they are MRFs but I have not checked as yet.

http://www.tyretraders.com.au/docs/att_productcatalogue_email.pdf

Silverstone do a MT117 in 285/85/16 that you could squeeze onto a 6.5" rim and today I was quoted $165 + tubes + fitting for these :) but I have no idea what they are like.
http://www.chapelcornertyres.com.au/files/4x4.pdf

Anyone used these and if so what are they like.

Garry

[101 Ron]

I have picked up on another thread that Ag Tyres in Moree have been taken over by a major tyre company (Maxxis?) and are no longer selling MRF tyres. I have not confirmed it myself as yet.

I checked with Ag Tyres in May and they no longer sold the Sand Grip version of the 9.00x16 Bar treads and it seems they no longer sell the bar threads.

Looking on the net this company are selling bar treads on the right size. I assume they are MRFs but I have not checked as yet.

http://www.tyretraders.com.au/docs/att_productcatalogue_email.pdf

Silverstone do a MT117 in 285/85/16 that you could squeeze onto a 6.5" rim and today I was quoted $165 + tubes + fitting for these :) but I have no idea what they are like.
http://www.chapelcornertyres.com.au/files/4x4.pdf

Anyone used these and if so what are they like.

Garry

I was at the 4WD expo with the 101 last weekend and checked out that Red 101 with the camper conversion at garrycol went to the corner country with.
It was running the silverstones MT117 285/85/16 and i measured the diameter compared to my bar treads and they were smaller and the fact that they were squeezed on to a standard rim put no better tread on the road than a bar tread amd would last about the same.
On this vehicle the smaller rolling diameter would have suited it as it was running 4.7 to one diffs and a Mazda diesel.
Iains michellins are the goods but not the price.

[brookvale]

Thought about BFG 255x85 ? I've had them on my IIA FC (with 6.5" IIB rims, 4.7 diffs) for a year or so. Only slightly smaller overall diameter than the 900x16 bar grips I had. As we know the actual fitted rolling diameter is not always as described in the literature. The handling is vastly improved on the road.

[rick130]

Thought about BFG 255x85 ? I've had them on my IIA FC (with 6.5" IIB rims, 4.7 diffs) for a year or so. Only slightly smaller overall diameter than the 900x16 bar grips I had. As we know the actual fitted rolling diameter is not always as described in the literature. The handling is vastly improved on the road.

The BFG MT and Maxxis Big Horn in the same size measure a true 33.3" at 30 PSI, so a bit shorter than a 255/100.
IIRC Cooper do a 255/85 too in the ST.
Speaking from experience the Maxxis is a bit softer in the sidewall than the BFG, you need to run higher pressure s for the same bag. Not a biggy, just the design of the carcass.

Can't recall the load ratings off hand (1300kg rings a bell ?) but are available from their respective websites.
All three are legal on a 6.5" rim.

I'll ask re Ag Tyres at Moree and being bought out, my tyre bloke gets tyres from them and Maxxis regularly and i see him almost everyday, everyone in the district here get their deliveries dropped there.

[101RRS]

I checked out that Red 101 with the camper conversion at garrycol went to the corner country with.
It was running the silverstones MT117 285/85/16 and i measured the diameter compared to my bar treads and they were smaller and the fact that they were squeezed on to a standard rim put no better tread on the road than a bar tread and would last about the same.
On this vehicle the smaller rolling diameter would have suited it as it was running 4.7 to one diffs and a Mazda diesel.

I did not speak to the owner of the red 101 much and did not measure his tyres but did hear from someone else that the tyres were not wearing well but was hearsay.

The Mazda went Ok but does hit the aerodynamic wall at the same speed as a V8 101 and seems to have similar performance as the V8. Fuel consumption is much better than the V8 but like the V8 it deteriorates badly as speed increases.

255/85/16 tyres will be too small for a standard 101. Would pull better but would run out of puff at a slower speed - most likely 85kph instead of 90kph true speed.

Garry

Ga

[brookvale]

Yes agreed re running out of puff with 255x85 - but I got lucky and found an LT95 overdrive... makes road cruising much better :)) Would an OD fit in the 101 version?

[101RRS]

Yes agreed re running out of puff with 255x85 - but I got lucky and found an LT95 overdrive... makes road cruising much better :)) Would an OD fit in the 101 version?

Both Ron and I have O/Ds - we have both founds that the V8 is a bit hard pushed to push the 101 on anything other than flat or downhill road. I have found top speed it about 10kph slower in O/d.

Actually works better at lower speeds where the engine is back in its torque range. Loping along offroad at 50kph in 4th O/d gives great fuel consumption.

Garry

[101RRS]

Ag Tyres in Moree is no more - as thought it has been sold to Maxxis. The owner of the old Ag Tyres is still working there and there is still stock of MRF 9.00x16 Bar Treads ($265) and there is also a 8 ply tyre (no name) bar tread for $195.

When these are gone it is not likely that MRF will be stocked any longer.

So if you want 9.00x16 bar treads, now is the time to get them.

Garry

[brookvale]

Fuel consumption - lol - yep anything better than 15mpg is great!
My FC has a 3.9 (carbs) in it and I can have the speedo wobbling at the end of the dial (and that's not all that's wobbling!) but it'll cruise at 100kph happily in 4th OD even up ordinary highway gradients. Took a load to the tip at the w/e - tare weight now recorded as 2.3t :)

[rick130]

Ag Tyres in Moree is no more - as thought it has been sold to Maxxis. The owner of the old Ag Tyres is still working there and there is still stock of MRF 9.00x16 Bar Treads ($265) and there is also a 8 ply tyre (no name) bar tread for $195.

When these are gone it is not likely that MRF will be stocked any longer.

So if you want 9.00x16 bar treads, now is the time to get them.

Garry

Yep and no more National tyres either now with Maxxis ownership...
They were a US made 4WD tyre that the local fella here bought the last eight of.

[123rover50]

Having trouble with these **** thin tubes pinching between the wheel and tyre.
My local supplier cant source the thick tubes with the short valve we need.
Anyone know of a supply or brand etc.
Didiman

[101RRS]

Mr Tubes is the brand you need. They are Korean made and are a bit thicker than the usual crap - I have them in my 101 and have had not troubles - including 9psi beach running.

Garry

[123rover50]

I tried Google with mr tubes and ta tubes australia and only get crap about movies etc.
Any other info on dealers?

[101RRS]

No idea about dealers - they are carried by my local independent tyre dealer. I checked my spare tubes and they only have the brand name on them - no other details.

Someone here put me onto them a few years back.

[Mick_Marsh]

For discussion.
Magento Commerce (http://www.universaltire.com/filter.html?ftire_size=900-16)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If you can get them to talk to you they are a possibility however after buying 7 STA Superlug tyres from them without problem or complaint, I now cant get them to reply to my emails.

AFAIK the Firestone NDT are available from Antique Tyres in Australia.

[oliver1981]

Hi all,

I have a set of 5 new alliance with liners and tubes as well as 6 heavy duty split rims for sale if anyone is interested? I was going to put them on jalopy but have decided to stick with tubeless

[uninformed]

dont know if the question regarding Michellin XZL got answered or not.....but the 900/16 or 255/100R16 is DEFINITLY a 4 block tread...it USE to be 3 block but they changed the tread pattern....shame...

Note, the 7.50-16 XZL is still a 3 block tread pattern.

cheers,
Serg

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi all,

I have a set of 5 new alliance with liners and tubes as well as 6 heavy duty split rims for sale if anyone is interested? ...Thinking about the splits, but did you also get some SIIa 6.5" rims while in Tassie?

[101 Ron]

AJs 8inch wide 101 Landrover wheels
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/1367.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/1325.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/1326.jpg
Standard wheel and wide wheel
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/1327.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/1366.jpg

[101 Ron]

Now what tyres to fit at the best price.
I was thinking of silverstone 285/85/16 at 220 dollars each, but after seeing them on another 101 with standard rims, the OD is abit too small.
Cooee fits Maxxis tyres to his 101 and a mates and they looked right...size...price ?

[101 Ron]

I just checked a old post
Cooee was running 38.5x14.5 Maxxis creepy crawlers which are too large as I dont need to gear up my 101 any more.(dont want to add flares either)
They are Bias tyre too.
they make a smaller 37x12.5 tyre but the recommended rim needs to be 10 inch ?
M8090 Creepy Crawler (http://www.maxxis.com/AutomobileLight-Truck/Extreme-Off-Road/M8090-Creepy-Crawler.aspx)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Just a heads up - I have changed my graphic for the Land Rover Series/Defender rims to include the early Defender 110/130 rim part numbers.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/08/410.jpg

Hopefully the old link will now redirect to the new graphic, but if it doesn't it's out of my control.

[101RRS]

As some people with other landies have been getting good prices and service from TireRack.Com in the US for their tires I thought I would contact them for prices on 9.00x16 and specifically Michelin XZL 255/100 16.

Unfortunately they do not stock anything for a 101.

For your information.

Garry

[juddy]

can you get them in the UK?

[101RRS]

I suppose so - similar price to Aust where TireRack have a reputation of providing tires to your door within a week or so cheaper than can be supplied in Aust.

Garry

[isuzurover]

As some people with other landies have been getting good prices and service from TireRack.Com in the US for their tires I thought I would contact them for prices on 9.00x16 and specifically Michelin XZL 255/100 16.

Unfortunately they do not stock anything for a 101.

For your information.

Garry

Have you tried 4 wheel parts? Jeep & Truck Tires ? BFGoodrich, Super Swamper, Pro Comp and Other Off Road Truck & Jeep Tires-RH1 (http://www.4wheelparts.com/Tires.aspx't_c=13)

They have Super swamper SSRs in a 35x10.5x16 and TSLs in a 9/34 and Q78 size which would fit a 101.

They may do other tyres which would also fit, as they specialise in 4x4 tyres unlike tirerack.

[101RRS]

Have you tried 4 wheel parts? Jeep & Truck Tires ? BFGoodrich, Super Swamper, Pro Comp and Other Off Road Truck & Jeep Tires-RH1 (http://www.4wheelparts.com/Tires.aspx't_c=13)

They have Super swamper SSRs in a 35x10.5x16 and TSLs in a 9/34 and Q78 size which would fit a 101.

They may do other tyres which would also fit, as they specialise in 4x4 tyres unlike tirerack.

Thanks,

I think those sizes are a bit wide for a 6.5" rim.

[isuzurover]

Thanks,

I think those sizes are a bit wide for a 6.5" rim.

a 9/34 is 9" wide ;)
A Q78-16 is almost identical in size to a 9.00x16 - about 36x9.5 ;)

[101RRS]

a 9/34 is 9" wide ;)
A Q78-16 is almost identical in size to a 9.00x16 - about 36x9.5 ;)

As you have indicated Swampers might be the go

This listing has the Q78-16 fitting a 6.5" rim

Lindsays Tyres: Interco - Interco Swamper TSL (http://www.lindsaystyres.com.au/proddetail.asp?prod=INTERCO_SWAMPER_TSL&cat=12)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

As you have indicated Swampers might be the go

This listing has the Q78-16 fitting a 6.5" rim

Lindsays Tyres: Interco - Interco Swamper TSL (http://www.lindsaystyres.com.au/proddetail.asp?prod=INTERCO_SWAMPER_TSL&cat=12)Except that they are listed as 35.5" where the Michelin XZL 255/100 R16 are listed at 36.4" (923mm). Technical tyre catalogue (http://www.michelintransport.com/ple/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=51&lang=EN&action=detail1)
And more importantly the Swamper 2580? load whereas the XZL 3400Kg

[Lotz-A-Landies]

can you get them in the UK?Juddy
There is a disposals store in the Netherlands who gets ex-MoD and other ex-NATO stock. He frequently has lots of 9.00 16 XZL with various amounts of wear.

I'll see if I can track the contact down again.

[101RRS]

Hi Diana - I was not comparing them with the Michelins - just confirming (after my previous doubts) that the Q78 Swampers will fit on 6.5" rims.

However I seem to recall there is something odd about the 101 rim not being a safety rim and some tyres may not be able to be fitted. Can someone confirm or deny??

I have some to the conclusion that on standard rims the Michelin is the pick but their cost is a bit over the top, even if their cost per Km of wear is about the best around.

I know nothing about Swampers but given the tread pattern I assume they will not wear very well.

What sort of cost are they?

Garry

[isuzurover]

Hi Diana - I was not comparing them with the Michelins - just confirming (after my previous doubts) that the Q78 Swampers will fit on 6.5" rims.

However I seem to recall there is something odd about the 101 rim not being a safety rim and some tyres may not be able to be fitted. Can someone confirm or deny??

I have some to the conclusion that on standard rims the Michelin is the pick but their cost is a bit over the top, even if their cost per Km of wear is about the best around.

I know nothing about Swampers but given the tread pattern I assume they will not wear very well.

What sort of cost are they?

Garry

The only special thing about a non safety rim is you must run tubes.

Q78s probably won't be the longest lived tyre, however still good value for money. They would be cheapest to import - IRC they are ~US$200ish.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Actually the original tubeless tyres were designed to run on standard rims, they did not require a safety rim and had something to do with the angle of the bead. These days tubeless tyres are fitted to safety rims.

That said my Phase II RR had non-tubeless alloys and on a number of occasions the tyre fitters would put on new tyres without the tube. It never caused me any trouble but I suspect it would had I run those at low pressure. I didn't do any sand driving tubeless.

[isuzurover]

US$260 ea here:
Super Swamper Tires Part SAM-53 - TSL Radial Tire by Super Swamper (http://www.4wheelparts.com/Tires/TSL-Radial-Tire-by-Super-Swamper.aspx't_c=13&t_s=158&t_pt=100820&t_pl=3873&t_pn=SSTSAM-53)

Possibly cheaper elsewhere.




Part Number: SSTSAM-53
Q78-16LT
Black Letters
Load Range = C
Max Load = 2580lbs.
Tread Depth = 27/32
Overall Diameter = 35.5

[MudSkull]

I have Q78 swampers on my 101 standard rims... no tubes ..

Have been to Frazer Island and back on them (5000k) and many local trips without any problems..
I only air down to 30psi from 40psi if I need and can get through anything..

They look cool, and seem to be wearing well but boy are they noisy on the road! :)

I would prefer the xzl's mainly because I think they would be quiter on the road but I can't justify the cost...

[101RRS]

What are the price of Q78s in Aust.

The best price I have been able to find for XZLs is about $670 but they do go up to over $800 at some places. Still probably the best $ per km for tyres but when the distances covered when not an everyday driver are low this makes their cost questionable.

Garry

[MudSkull]

They cost me just over $400 each fitted and balanced... Better than the $660 I was quoted for the xzl's at the time...

I've had mine for over 18 months and the dollar was not so good then, maybe cheaper now.

[isuzurover]

What are the price of Q78s in Aust.


Far more than they should cost. You will save a lot of money by importing them yourself.

[juddy]

Well, good timing on this thread, i just got the Tyres fitted.... And they stick out a tad, as Diana said a while back....

I suppose i will have to wait until Angus gets here, and if i will then need to put those silly rubber lips on. I did see a Bright green 101 a few months ago on the coast that had wider wheels, and it had the rubber arches on....
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/743.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/744.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/06/740.jpg

updated pics are on my FC thread...

[101RRS]

Well, good timing on this thread, i just got the Tyres fitted.... And they stick out a tad, as Diana said a while back....


Hi Justin,

Why not bring us FC owners a who bunch of cheap XZLs back when the Firefly is imported :D.

101s have a strip of rubber on the front wheel arches to cover the standard tyres but nothing on the rears. As you have indicated, I wouldn't worry about the extensions until the FC is here.

Garry

[juddy]

Hi Justin,

Why not bring us FC owners a who bunch of cheap XZLs back when the Firefly is imported :D.

101s have a strip of rubber on the front wheel arches to cover the standard tyres but nothing on the rears. As you have indicated, I wouldn't worry about the extensions until the FC is here.

Garry

Whats the part number on strip?

You know if i had the room i would bring more stuff over for people, as it is its a bit full, should have room on the next run, i will keep you posted.....

[101RRS]

Whats the part number on strip?

B%g^&r - it is not in the parts book:o. Not another thing I have now found that is not original on my 101. Haven't all 101s got the little rubber strip on their front wheel arches?? Maybe not. It has been there a long time cause it is all perished.

Just checked some pics of other aussie 101s - mine has them, Ron's has them, MissGuided 1 and 2 has them, a Qld 101 has them, the maroon 101 motor home has them and a whole lot of others - but not one UK 101 I have had looked at has them - so I guess it is just an Aust option which would explain why it is not in the UK parts book.

This is what they look like on my 101

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Maybe these would look better on your FC
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Garry

[juddy]

B%g^&r - it is not in the parts book:o. Not another thing I have now found that is not original on my 101. Haven't all 101s got the little rubber strip on their front wheel arches?? Maybe not. It has been there a long time cause it is all perished.

Just checked some pics of other aussie 101s - mine has them, Ron's has them, MissGuided 1 and 2 has them, a Qld 101 has them, the maroon 101 motor home has them and a whole lot of others - but not one UK 101 I have had looked at has them - so I guess it is just an Aust option which would explain why it is not in the UK parts book.

This is what they look like on my 101

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/DSCF0751.jpg

Maybe these would look better on your FC
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/PICT0008.jpg

Garry

They both look ok, any idea on suppliers????

[isuzurover]

They both look ok, any idea on suppliers????

Clark Rubber is your best bet for a rubber strip. A thin strip (offcut) of conveyor belt matting would also be fine (and last longer).

[Sleepy]

Just got a quote back from Aircraft, agricultural and 4x4 tyres. huge stock (http://www.aircrafttyres.com/)

"At the moment we can offer just 255/100R16 Michelin XZL cold retread for 225 euro each. Shipping will be about 450 euro for a pallet which can contain 10 pieces."

Today that works out at AUD$360ea for cold retreads delivery to Melbourne.

Never been a big fan of retreads although I am told they are a lot better these days.

Not vouching for them just found them on google and fired off a request. Thought I'd share it around.

They have no stock of new XZL's or anything else in that size. :(

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I thought there was a speed limiting on re-treaded tyres?

Even without the limiting, not sure I would be happy parting with $360 for someone else's used case. If it were my own case it would be a different matter, I know what's happened to it and how many times it's been to Bandag. That's the way we worked with our trucks.

[101RRS]

I thought there was a speed limiting on re-treaded tyres?

Even without the limiting, not sure I would be happy parting with $360 for someone else's used case. If it were my own case it would be a different matter, I know what's happened to it and how many times it's been to Bandag. That's the way we worked with our trucks.

It is either 120 or 125kph so not an issue for a 101. Wasn't the law changed a while back that said retreads/remoulds cannot be used on steer wheels.

I used retreads on my Subaru for 15 years with no issues but it is a light vehicle with similar speeds to a 101.

Swampers, MT117s, Alliance tyres can be had for not much more than the cost of these remoulds - also GST may not be an issue for individual purchases but for larger lots it would be payable.

It is a shame XZLs are so expensive - and I am not sure why they are - as they are the perfect tyre for the 101 - just a bit stiff in the sidewalls but other wise great. I still think they are the cheapest tyre based on cost per km but most 101s will not do the required km and the up front cost for 5 at around $3500 is a bit much. You need 5 as they are larger in diameter than standard 9.00x16 tyres.

Garry

[Sleepy]

...also GST may not be an issue for individual purchases but for larger lots it would be payable.

oopps forgot about that, :angel: That puts them up around $400 ea.
Yes, hardly worth bothering given, as Diana has said, the uncertainty of someone elses carcass. I was hoping to get a price on new XZL's but obviously a huge company like that have difficulty getting hold of them.

[101RRS]

XZLs will be too narrow for you new drive any way.

Garry

[Sleepy]

XZLs will be too narrow for you new drive any way.

Yes. But was thinking about down the track. My rims are 10" (not the spare:mad: will have to widen the spare wheel, and buy one tyre - not much good having a spare that is wrong size!!). I loved the 7.50 XZL's on my Def. - Tough as nails and last well, good grip in mud and reasonable on bitumen. Just tossing up my options for the future.
As good as they look, I have never been a huge fan of oversized tyres.

[101RRS]

Eastern Wheel Works down your way can widen your wheel for about $150.

Also there are 6 101 standard wheels for sale in the AULRO Markets. You could buy the 6 and then sell me one :) - for a good price of course ;)

Garry

[isuzurover]

Yes. But was thinking about down the track. My rims are 10" (not the spare:mad: will have to widen the spare wheel, and buy one tyre - not much good having a spare that is wrong size!!). I loved the 7.50 XZL's on my Def. - Tough as nails and last well, good grip in mud and reasonable on bitumen. Just tossing up my options for the future.
As good as they look, I have never been a huge fan of oversized tyres.


Sleepy, I would suggest you wait until you have tried that thing offroad with those tyres aired down. You may change your mind ;)

The vehicle is going to be a weekend/play toy I understand? You only need your spare to be (about) the same diameter. There is very little chance you will actually need the spare with those tyres.

[Sleepy]

You both read my mind!Yes saw those wheels Garry.;) Although (re: Spare) I am often found testing Murphy's Law:angel:

[isuzurover]

You both read my mind!Yes saw those wheels Garry.;) Although (re: Spare) I am often found testing Murphy's Law:angel:

Tubeless plugs and an air compresssor will allow you to fix anything but a large tear or complete carcass failure.

[101 Ron]

I am starting to get fair dinkum about tyres for my 101 with the 8 inch wide rims.
I went to the local 4wd tyre crowd and gave them a spare 900x16 bar tread on a standard wheel and one of my 8 inch wide wheels .
I asked for if possible a radial replacement tyre in a full on muddy to suit the 8 inch rim and the diameter was to be not less than the 9.00x16 and not to exceed it by too much as my current gearing in the 101 is spot on.
They came up with Maxis trepatdor 37 inch od tyre for $450 each and creepy crawlers 37 inch od for $550 each.
Sleepy what size are your tyres/brand etc.?????
I dont want to go down to a silverstone MT117 34 inch.......price is good thou at $230 each
Standard bar thread 900x16 would work out at $230 each.
Those swampers in a previous post might be worth chasing up.
I have to do some thing soon as the bar threads are just about U/S.
I was wondering how a wider tyre affects the steering effort.
Ron

[juddy]

I am starting to get fair dinkum about tyres for my 101 with the 8 inch wide rims.
I went to the local 4wd tyre crowd and gave them a spare 900x16 bar tread on a standard wheel and one of my 8 inch wide wheels .
I asked for if possible a radial replacement tyre in a full on muddy to suit the 8 inch rim and the diameter was to be not less than the 9.00x16 and not to exceed it by too much as my current gearing in the 101 is spot on.
They came up with Maxis trepatdor 37 inch od tyre for $450 each and creepy crawlers 37 inch od for $550 each.
Sleepy what size are your tyres/brand etc.?????
I dont want to go down to a silverstone MT117 34 inch.......price is good thou at $230 each
Standard bar thread 900x16 would work out at $230 each.
Those swampers in a previous post might be worth chasing up.
I have to do some thing soon as the bar threads are just about U/S.
I was wondering how a wider tyre affects the steering effort.
Ron

Whos offering the Bar Tread's @ $230?

[101 Ron]

Moore tyres?????MRTs cheapies......I have some on the front as bar threads(paid $220 each) and Garrycol has some as a sand type pattern........they are OK and do the job as a bang for your dollar tyre, but are nothing to get excited about.
Should all be covered in earlier posts .

[isuzurover]

I am starting to get fair dinkum about tyres for my 101 with the 8 inch wide rims.
I went to the local 4wd tyre crowd and gave them a spare 900x16 bar tread on a standard wheel and one of my 8 inch wide wheels .
I asked for if possible a radial replacement tyre in a full on muddy to suit the 8 inch rim and the diameter was to be not less than the 9.00x16 and not to exceed it by too much as my current gearing in the 101 is spot on.
They came up with Maxis trepatdor 37 inch od tyre for $450 each and creepy crawlers 37 inch od for $550 each.
Sleepy what size are your tyres/brand etc.?????
I dont want to go down to a silverstone MT117 34 inch.......price is good thou at $230 each
Standard bar thread 900x16 would work out at $230 each.
Those swampers in a previous post might be worth chasing up.
I have to do some thing soon as the bar threads are just about U/S.
I was wondering how a wider tyre affects the steering effort.
Ron

How wide are the Maxxis? I saw reports that they crown/deform badly if fitted to rims that are too narrow (i.e. people have had to swap 8" for 10" rims...)

Sleepy has Maxxis IRC.

[Sleepy]

Mine are 38.5 x 14.5 Maxxis Creepy's. As far as I can work out (because the previous owner couldn't recall) they are on widened 8" rims.

I would agree with Ben, I am running low-ish pressure (about 25psi) and the tread is still a little convex (I presume that's what is meant by "crowning").

I am fairly happy with the gearing - without an overdrive it seems to be fairly happy at 100kmh and had it up to 115kmh without it revving too hard. I am pretty sure it is standard ratios - previous owner wasnt sure.

They seem to wearing pretty well though and will stick with them for now.

Problem I have is the spare is a 9 x 16 on a standard rim, I'm going to get it widened to 8" and buy another tyre.. (Havent got a price yet but google tells me they are about $800 :eek:).

The Creepy's ride pretty well though and can only just hear them above all the other noise :) Havent got it dirty yet so can't speak for their offroad capability.

[Sleepy]

You can see the crowning in this photo.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/970.jpg

[101RRS]

Pressure is too high - remember you have a lot of tyre for a lightweight 101 so tyre pressures need to come right down when unloaded.

Along with Cooees old yellow 101 (same tyre/wheel combination) these tyres give a nice ride but are really too big for every day use.

I am in the process of buying some wheels for my 101 - they will most likely be 8" but like the old 9.00x16s I will be looking for taller narrower tyres - something like 36" but only about 11" wide - not sure what type as yet.

Garry

[isuzurover]

Pressure is too high - remember you have a lot of tyre for a lightweight 101 so tyre pressures need to come right down when unloaded.


No - it is a maxxis thing. I have put up to 55 psi in my (non maxxis) 285s on 7" rims and they don't crown like that.

When they first came out there were pics of Maxxis on 8" rims at low pressure that were curved like bike tyres.

[Sleepy]

Pressure is too high - remember you have a lot of tyre for a lightweight 101 so tyre pressures need to come right down when unloaded.
Along with Cooees old yellow 101 (same tyre/wheel combination) these tyres give a nice ride but are really too big for every day use.

I'll drop em down a bit and see how it goes.

[101 Ron]

Simex 36 inch on 8 inch rims compared with the standard 900x16
They are 6 ply and should flex well when the pressures are lowered for off road work.
Interesting to note the max pressure is 40 psi.
they are tubeless radial tyre.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/118.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/119.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/120.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/121.jpg

[101 Ron]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/114.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/115.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/116.jpg
This is compared to the 7.50x 20 on the studebaker
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/117.jpg

[101 Ron]

I only have one tyre currently as I am doing a lay by plan with the local tyre place.
The plan is.
To only have a tyre slightly bigger in diameter than the 900x16 as not to change my current gearing as I am happy with it.
I wanted soft side wall and radial construction to improve the 101s ride and grip on road.
The centre blocks should come into play at full pressures for on road work and keep the manual steering light enough.
Drop the pressures and they should flex and the side lugs come into play for off road work.
If someone wants to get really , really smart these tyres should be with in the letter of the law ( VSI 50 ) compared with the 900x 16 fitting and thats discounting the fact the 101 was designed at the factory to take wheels up to 20 inch so it could be inchangeable with the guns it could tow and other miltiary vehicles and why the 101 landy is the only one with a 6 stud wheel pattern.
The wider wheels are exactly 1.5 inches wider than stock and also with in VSI 50
Ron

[101RRS]

Hi Ron,

Were they the narrowest 36" you could find? They look like they will wear pretty quick on the road but will be good offroad.

Garry

[101 Ron]

The next options where bigger 37 inch tyres.....ie swamper boggers.
I did want a bit of width as I found every time I go to Stockton the bar treads dont float well over sand.
The bar treads dont wear well on tarred roads at speed and is the reason why I have to replace my current tyres which I have done about 20,000 km.
The simex should last longer....I hope twice as long so I can justify the extra cost.
I am guessing about 28 psi would be a good pressure for these tyres on road to get even wear.
My worry is if I can steer it at those pressures with the manual steering.
If the steering is too much for me I will have to run a higher pressure and wear the centre of the tyre first and then flat across which will lead to heavy steering again.
In the pics the Simex is at 40 psi...its maximum pressure and note the bar tread which has a similar curve across the tread and has worked OK.
Time will tell if it goes to plan.
The width should work for me on road and off road and stop my front wheel hub foot tread rings from getting bent.
These tyres will flex greatly with lowered pressures and follow the ground , something the bar treads didnt want to do even when pressures were down to 6 psi and the simex or infact anything else cannot be worse than a bar tread on a wet tarred road .
I will not have a full set of tyres for a while yet and this first one was to check the clearence between the tyre and the tie rod end .
It is worth noting the other bigger tyres advailible tended to be bias type tyres and I wanted the better ride and flex of the radial design.
A few local 4wds are runing these tyres and are reporting good wear .

[101RRS]

Thanks Ron - hurry up and get them all and put on and tested. I have some 8" wide wheels on order and also need to work out what tyres to put on them.

These will not be going on straight away as I need to put in new "king pins" and then get a wheel alignment - my from MRFs were wearing twice as quick as the rears but they have a funny wear pattern so may actually be shockers - funny thing is I put the rears on the fronts and they are wearing normally. When I am getting the king pins done, you can put my front diff lock in for me :).

Cheers

Garry

[101 Ron]

Thanks Ron - hurry up and get them all and put on and tested. I have some 8" wide wheels on order and also need to work out what tyres to put on them.

These will not be going on straight away as I need to put in new "king pins" and then get a wheel alignment - my from MRFs were wearing twice as quick as the rears but they have a funny wear pattern so may actually be shockers - funny thing is I put the rears on the fronts and they are wearing normally. When I am getting the king pins done, you can put my front diff lock in for me :).

Cheers

Garry

It is interesting to compare notes.
My 101 is wearing all tyres evenly.
I suspect highway speeds could be the problem with your front tyres.
The diamond pattern of the sandgrips may be the cause with a wearing of one side of the diamond lug more than the other ????.( only at high speeds)
If you do the kingpin/C/V housing bearings.....yes it is a great time for that front locker.
I will help with my experience of it.......but I am flat out just keeping up with my own problems and that silly Alvis stalwart of mine is taking up alot of my spare time for no reward at this stage and will do so for a long time.
Just may be if you work on mine i will work on yours??????
The top bearing is a fibre bush which on mine was OK and i just took out one shim to preload the end float a bit and the bottom is a standard taper roller.
That front locker is alot of pain in the butt work.
Any thoughs about air supply ?

[101RRS]

I will get about 25,000km out of the tyres that were originally on the front and about 35,000km with the ones that were on the back. If I did not rotate them about 18,000 from the fronts and probably 45,000 from the rears.

I just want the front all OK before I put new tyres on and maybe chew through them.

As far as the locker goes I will be using the standard little ARB locker compressor. However with the switch to no tubed tyres I do have in the back of my mind if I need to seat the bead so am thinking of putting in an air tank but will look at that later.

garry

[101 Ron]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/1363.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/1364.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/1365.jpg

Ground clearence will be 11.5 inches under the lowest part of the diff centre...the salisbury plow.
My salisbury have had a slight shave.

[101 Ron]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/1359.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/1360.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/1361.jpg

[Sleepy]

They look great Ron!
I think I will drop down a few inches when I wear out my 38.5s.:angel:

[101 Ron]

They look great Ron!
I think I will drop down a few inches when I wear out my 38.5s.:angel:

After looking at the fit on the vehicle I suspect the 38s may on full flex could contact the front wheel cut out with the correct lock.
The overal diameter of the Simex is good compared to the 900x16/ Mich ZXLs and are 11 inches wide overall.
I will have to make a rear wheel arch extension to cover the tyre and I will copy what the Aussie army has done to the front, just by using abit of flat rubber.
The protrusion is about 25mm from the body work.(which is covered by the front rubber wheel arch extensions)
The other thing I like about the simex is on the 8 inch rims is they have little curving of the tread, so wearing out the centre only of the tyre shouldnt be a problem.
The clearence from the LHS tierod end is about the same.
I think the extra width will be perfect, enough for the tyres to protect the foot step and side body work and not too wide to cause any problems with the law.
One of the problems with the 900x16 bar treads is following other modern 4 bys on a bush track and going though a tight cutting and the 101 being slightly wider, is the alloy body work would want to contact the side of the cutting first.......now it will be the tyres where it doesnt matter that much.
Just got to find money for another 4 tyres.
It will be interesting to see how the extra width affects getting the spare in and out of the cabin.
It is worth noting the Normal 900x16 runs close to the canvass roof.
One other thing is the Simex is directional, so rotation is a bit harder.
Sleepy how do you find the steering on your big tyres and how wide are they ??

[Sleepy]

Sleepy how do you find the steering on your big tyres and how wide are they ??
They are 14.5" wide.

I am pleasently surprised by the steering. It tracks straight and steers pretty well.
It is not that heavy at slow speed and quite fine at speed. It does have a tendency to drop into the ruts on worn out bitumen roads. Still a lot better than the rumble steer on my old S3 109.
Havent done any serious off road yet so cant comment on your flex comment - I suspect your right.
I'll post up a shot of the clearance to my tierod:eek:. It's about that much..(He says, holding his thumb only a couple of mm's from his index finger.)
Yes the 38.5s are really there for looks. My quandry is whether to fork out for a fifth 38.5 (spare) or bite the bullet and buy 5 smaller and try and get a few bucks by selling the 38.5's.:confused:

[101 Ron]

Every time I want my 101 tyres balanced the local tyre places tries it in the machine and say they can not do it as they dont have a big enough centring cone which will allow the machine to be used with the 101 wheels.
Then they say , you must take the 101 wheels to the truck place which ends up costing more and takes time.
This has happened a few times now.
I got sick of it.
I now have this.
It will allow 101 wheels to be balanced in a normal machine.
Advailible though any fitter and turner near you.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/524.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/525.jpg
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[101RRS]

Must be that hick town you live in :wasntme:

I have had my 101 to local tyre places twice - to get the MRFs on and to replace two tubes and both had the gear to balance them - maybe you need to try somewhere else.

However I do have the same issue with wheel alignment - the 101 will not fit on local alignment gear and I needed to go to a specialist light truck suspension specialist.

Have you got your extra tyres??

Garry

[101 Ron]

No money........no tyres untill well into the new year.

[101RRS]

Ok - my 16x8 wheels arrived today, so now seriously thinking about tyres.

Like Ron, I would like to go 36" as sizes are always overstated so I will end up with something between 35 - 36" when on the road.

The XZLs will fit but are just too expensive, Simex look OK but given the small contact area on the road with those huge lugs I cannot help but think they will wear just a bit too quickly.

Swamper have suitable tyres but no one locally seems to carry them so I cannot really check them out. Silverstone have some - similar to Simex in tread but are a bit small.

I am all confused - so what 16" should I put on the 101 (prefer a narrow tyre - 11.5" would be best).

Garry

[Sleepy]

I'm a BFG fan, had them on my defenders and very happy with them. I'll be considering BFG KM2 315/75R16 for my next set on the 101. (35" x 12.5"). I am told (although never ran them) that Mickey Thompson are a good tyre. They have a 35"x 12.5" or 36"x15.5" in there MTZ.
Are you looking for a MT or AT tread?

[101RRS]

Thanks - those BFGs will big dollars - over $500 in 18s for my RRS.

While I do not use my 101 as a regular driver - mainly when going on a trip or taking rubbish to the tip, the reality is most driving is still on the black top. Even a local drive in the mountains is 50km on the dirt and 50km there and 50km back on the bitumen so I do not want something that will chop out on the road.

So ideally MTs that will wear reasonably on the road (is there such a MT) so failing that a aggressive AT. I know the XZLs wear well and are probably the most cost effective on a $ per km basis but the upfront cost is a bit much for me. Known alternatives on the 101 are what you have but too big and not sure how they wear, Swampers are also a bit unknown as far a wear is concerned and of course we are all waiting for Ron to get his Simex tyres to see how they go.

There are not enough guinea pigs in the 101 world hence this time around I would prefer to go cheap as possible in case they wear out quickly - When I got my 101 it had 111,000km on it and I put new MRFs on at $213 each - two of them are down low at 128,000km so will be bald at 20,000km use (the other two are only half worn - not sure what is going on there) so I would hate to only get 20,000km out of a $600 - $700 tyre.

Cheers

Garry

[stuee]

If your happy with the idea of a 315/75R16 then the Maxxis Bighorn may be an altertanive. People are getting anywhere from 40-60k out of them from what I've read and the tyres are comparativly cheap when compared to the BFG's while also being a quality alternative. The other option would be Goodyear MTR, although these might set you back more than the BFGs :eek:

[101RRS]

If your happy with the idea of a 315/75R16 then the Maxxis Bighorn may be an altertanive. People are getting anywhere from 40-60k out of them from what I've read and the tyres are comparativly cheap when compared to the BFG's while also being a quality alternative. The other option would be Goodyear MTR, although these might set you back more than the BFGs :eek:

I have found that in the sizes we are interested in for the 101 - manufactures overstate the size of their tyres by about 1/2 to 1 inch - most of the 315 width tyres are actually 34" so just a tad smaller than required. Maxxis to have a range of tyres that could be suitable and the Bighorn is on the list as is the Trepador and the Creepy Crawler.

Thanks

Garry

[Sleepy]

Well I am fairly happy with the Maxxis so far, although I agree the 38.5 are a little over the top.. :angel:
As pointed out earlier, by Isuzurover, the Maxxis are prone to "crowning" as mine are already doing. I haven't done enough Kms to comment on their wear rate.
I am still to get a correct sized spare, I have a quote of about $580 for one 38.5 Kreepy. I imagine the next size down will be a little cheaper.
I like the sound of the Simex too so will worth waiting for Ron's comments.
I have BFG MT KM2's on the Defender and they are wearing pretty well, although a much smaller size (235/85's).
I have had XZL's in a small size too (7.50's) and they are a terrific tyre - tough as buggery. Pity they are so dear.:(

[101 Ron]

You will be waiting a while for my report on the Simex.
I will be picking up tyre no 2 next week.
They are 500 dollars fitted and balanced.
I am paying 50 dollars a week, so that is one tyre every 10 weeks.
I have though about just fitting two on the front just to try them, but how the centre diff would take it with different size tyres front and rear is unknown.
The simex are measured as the size stated they are 36 inch.......I have checked this a few times.
As for wear, I can only go by a local nissan pootrol with the same tyres fitted and they have given good wear, but look a bit funny at the end of their life as the lugs on the sides dont wear, but the road suface part of the tread has worn evenly.
Wear reports on the web have been positive.
The issuse for me is as the tread wears, will it make the steering heavier.......I am not getting any younger, or may be that power steering conversion is on the cards.
PS
It would be nice to have lots of money.
Ron

[stuee]

Out of curiosity, what are people see the XZL's advertised for?

[Sleepy]

Out of curiosity, what are people see the XZL's advertised for?

I went looking and couldn't find them in Aus. (255/100) - didn't look that hard though:angel:. I have read they are north of $800.ea :eek:. I even wrote to a tyre wholesaler in Europe (Netherlands, I think) and they didn't have any either.

[101RRS]

If you go into most Michelin tyre sellers and ask about 255/100 XZLs they will say they do not exist as they are not listed in the Michelin books. Once you get through to the all knowing tyre seller that you know what you are talking about they will ring their supplier and then notice the look of amazement on the tyre sellers face as they are told yes they do exist and can be ordered. I last priced them about 10 months ago and the best price I got in Queanbeyan was $675 tyre only. Most other suppliers are quoting around $750 but some are just under $900.

Shop around.

Garry

[101 Ron]

I now have Three simex tyres and two are fitted on the front.
Impressions so far is.
Slight improvement in ride.
Steering is slightly lighter than the bar treads.
30 psi tyre pressure so far seems about right, in than it is the maximum pressure than keeps all of the tyre in contact with the road.
Above 30 psi and the tyre starts running on the centre part of the tread.
Off road grip is extremely impressive and I havent tried dropping pressures to increase grip.( no need to so far )
They took alot of lead to balance , but are running smoother than the bar treads.
I now have over 11 inches of clearence under the front diff centre.
Quieter than the bar treads.
Better in everyway, except I expect these tyres are too full on to get good wear on tarred surfaces.
Simex do not appear to make a less full on off road tyre in the size required for a 101 landy.
Alot more rubber on the road means much less tyre pressures are used all round.
I can not get the last tyre soon enough as they are a general improvement all round to the old bias tyres and with solf side walls compared to the old tyres the simex should be a real trick with 20 psi and real off road work.
Ron

[101RRS]

I agree - tyre pressures should be reduced - the old rule that wear in the centre means to high tyre pressures and wear on the outside means to low tyre pressures.

The Simex is a big tyre and the 101 is relatively low weight so tyre pressures can be reduced.

I also have been looking at tyres and at 36" Simex seems to be the only option. There are virtually no 36" tyres but lots of larger 37" however these are mostly comp tyres and really not suitable for some road use as well unless you are rich and can afford to replace them regularly. I can get the Simex for a reasonable price but I am not sure they will wear well on a 101 and may be just a tad too large for my vehicle - noting the 24v engines have 4% less power and I have an additional alternator so will be loosing a couple of horses there as well.

I measured my half worn MRFs and they are only 33.8" and my bar tread spare (in good condition) is only 34" so in reality 9.00x16s are 34" not 35".

As a result I have been looking at a lot of 35", 315/75/16 tyres - all these come in around 34.5" or around 880mm rolling diameter. There are a lot of tyres at varying prices. Maxxis Big Horns MTs have a good reputation and are getting 60-80,000km from a set, but are at the smaller end but still about the same rolling diameter as the original 9.00 16s. These would probably suit my engine characteristics better than 36" tyres. They are also a lot cheaper at about $340 fitted and I can keep my old wheels and tyres as spares if needed.

I also think a radial is a must which the Big Horns are - I was down in the Tom Groggan area and the tight steep turns on the bitumen on the Alpine way really tested the MRFs and had them squealing a lot and understeering on the tight bends. Radials would have been much better.

I have new wheels to go on and I had them made in 16x8 but on reflection I should have gone 17x8 as there are lots of nice tyres in both MT and AT in 35" tyres.

Mickey Thompson Bajas Claws are off the list - bumped into a couple of D2s and an F250 with them and the drivers all said the same - great offroad but the rubber just peels off them in the bitumen and they are getting very low KMs.

Just some thoughts

Garry

[101 Ron]

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[stuee]

I have new wheels to go on and I had them made in 16x8 but on reflection I should have gone 17x8 as there are lots of nice tyres in both MT and AT in 35" tyres.


Looking on Tirerack.com the other day I made this observation also. There seems to be a lot more tyres around the 35" mark for 17's now compared to 16's. But saw very few 36" tyres, it seemed the next available size was 37".

Tire Search Results (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?customSizeSearch=&width=315%2F&ratio=70&diameter=17)


Very tempted to get new rims made up myself if I can get 2 sets of normal 35" tyres from the US for the cost of a set of XZL's. Still a while off me having to worry about yet though :(

[101 Ron]

Just came back from a bit of a tyre test.
The ride improvement is worth while and the noise level is about the same as the bar treads now with all four tyres fitted.
Slight drop in crusing engine revs.
I tried a emergency stop on a blue metal road and instead of a bit of a skid the tyres bit in and in the end the brakes are the weak link now.
Handling is improved on tarred and gravel roads.
My 101 at the limits on a tarred road corner would want to dig in(front outer) and try and lift the inside rear, now its much safer and harder to get into trouble.
Off road is a whole new world.
I think I may go down to 25 psi on road and see what happens.
I need to fit rubber flap over the rear tyres.
I am very happy........and stuff it I will get some more for spares I dont care if they wear quick.
Ron

[101RRS]

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Ron - you need to paint your wheels in cam - the olive drap does not match the Cam.

garry

Oh - nice tyres.

[101 Ron]

I have done the rear rubber flaps on the back wheel arches.
I have purposely done it in the same way as the original front ones , so it looks standard and its easier to fit up.
The pics compare front and rear rubber wheel arch extension flaps.
I should be all legal now.
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I have now settled for 25 psi highway pressure for these tyres with the 101.
I measured in the real world the diameter.......35 inch.

One thing that did happen is ..........around the farm I usually drive around the paddocks of the farm with the top half of the sides hinged down.
The side gates are designed to do this without unhooking from its pins.
The side gate now just doesnt quiet clear the tyre tread and I buffed off some paint.
The rear rubber extensions should stop this now.

[101RRS]

All look good Ron. I have been looking at a lot of tyres and I have come to the conclusion that 17" rims are the old 16" as there are far more tyres in 36 and 37" in that size.

Your Simex would seem to be the only tyres available in 36" to fit 16" rims. Some 37s but for the standard engine are a bit big and cost big dollars.

Plenty of tyres in 35" but most are 34 and a bit in real terms - why do manufacturers claim there tyres are bigger than they are - and that is before they have worn - a supposed 35" tyre will be about 33" when it has finally worn down.

Ron you need to get plenty of miles up so you can tell us all if they are worth getting for the long term.

Cheers

Garry

[101RRS]

Ron,

When are we going to see some vids and pics of your 101 in action with your new tyres?

[101 Ron]

You can get the vid yourself next winter rallie.
Bite the bullet and get the Simex, they will not be any worse than the MTRs sand pattern and if you look the centre of tyre it is similar block pattern anyway.
They look good and improve handling because of the width and off road ....well thats a big improvement.
I plan to get 6 in total and I will have to get another standard rim widen.
Because they are directional two spares are better is they can be replaced as a pair if and when they wear.
My next rips are to Oallen ford and later stockton beach........both sand...I expect big agains in floatation.

[101RRS]

I have finally stopped procrastinating and bit the bullet and ordered my new tyres to go on my Mach 6 rims (8" wide). I looked seriously at Ron's Simex's but decided against them as I think they are a bit big for my particular engine to pull and am a little concerned about the actual amount of rubber on the road when on bitumen. I will rein supreme offroad though.

I ended up ordering 315/75R16 LT BFG MT KM2s and get them on Wed or Thurs. They run about 880mm in diameter which is about the same as the original 9.00x16s (so I do not need to get a spare saving a few $$$) and a little bigger than my current MRFs.

Apparently (an I don't know) they are pretty good offroad and reasonably good onroad and apparently are long lived for a MT - and though not relevant to a 101 are reasonably quiet.

As Ron has done I will let you know how they go.

Cheers

Garry

[The ho har's]

I have finally stopped procrastinating and bit the bullet and ordered my new tyres to go on my Mach 6 rims (8" wide). I looked seriously at Ron's Simex's but decided against them as I think they are a bit big for my particular engine to pull and am a little concerned about the actual amount of rubber on the road when on bitumen. I will rein supreme offroad though.

I ended up ordering 315/75R16 LT BFG MT KM2s and get them on Wed or Thurs. They run about 880mm in diameter which is about the same as the original 9.00x16s (so I do not need to get a spare saving a few $$$) and a little bigger than my current MRFs.

Apparently (an I don't know) they are pretty good offroad and reasonably good onroad and apparently are long lived for a MT - and though not relevant to a 101 are reasonably quiet.

As Ron has done I will let you know how they go.

Cheers

Garry


Garry,

Approx price would be good:)

We have someone interested in buying our Silverstone's so now we really need to look for an alternative tyre:)

Mrs hh:angel:

[101RRS]

The quotes I was given was $430, $440 and $460 in Sydney and in the backwater that is Canberra prices ranged from $459 to $550.

You have a 101 so realise what the cost of fuel is - 540km round trip to Sydney will cost around around $150 (gas a bit cheaper) in the 101 so taking this into account I went the cheapest local option - Jax.

More than what I was expecting to pay for tyres but given all the good reviews is Ok. Mickey Thompson MTZs are similar and about $20-$30 cheaper. Maxxis Bighorns are a tad smaller and about $60 cheaper but do not have the same sort of positive reviews.

Garry

[stuee]

Make sure you get pics up once done. Its interesting seeing the "fatter" tyres on the 101. They almost make the tyre look smaller, even though the rolling diameter is the same.

Getting some new tyres fitted to the girlfriends Suzuki at our normal tyre place and I asked if they could source the Michelin XZL's and got quoted $775 just for the tyre :eek:

[isuzurover]

I just used a tyre calculator and punched 9.00x16 in and it came up with 866 - close enough to 900 for govt work. I appreciate actual 9.00x16 tyres might have a slightly different rolling dia.

So any tyre about that dia with the correct speed rating and load rating should fit - maybe will be a little wider than the the standard lugs. 35" tyres are also about the same size as well.

Most of the other tyres I have looked at on the net at about 900 dia have a Q speed rating which is good - like you I am not keen on even doing 80kph in the rain on conventional lug tyres.

Cheers

Some tyre calculators are crap and use numerical conversions - e.g. (9+9+16)" x 25.4 = 864 mm

The actual 9.00x16 tyre standard - as Diana's specs have shown - is 36" diameter - so ~915 mm.

The same goes for 7.50s - numerically they are 31", but in reality 32"

[101RRS]

Picked up the new BFGs tyres today and had them put on my Mach 6 rims - as usual the tyre fitter managed to scratch the rims when on the balancing machine. The bit that tightens the wheel to the machine must have tightened up on the spokes rather than the hub - but of touch up paint and all is OK. I went white lettering in to save being flamed on here.

Here is a pic of one of the new wheels and tyres next to one of my worn MRFs. Sorry about the quality, my camera has an issue so had to use the phone.

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While the new tyres look at lot bigger in fact they are 850mm in diameter (supposed to be 878mm) vs one of the half worn MRFs at 840mm - the one in the pic is only about 830mm).

The MRFs measured 7.5 inches across the thread while the BFGs are 9 inches.

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Fitted them on.

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First issue was that the wheel steps would not fit because of the spokes so on the drivers side I also used the special nuts from the passenger side to move the step further out and all worked OK. I will have to buy 6 more of the special extended nuts to put the passenger side on.

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When putting the wheels on I noticed that there was more room around the steering rods etc so I measured the distance between the old wheel rim and the springs and then the same with the new wheel - the offset is much further out - even discounting the extra 1.5" wider rim. The bottom line is the track is now a bit wider - so some sort of flares will be needed on the rears (Bunnings for garden edging) and maybe a bit wider in the front.

So the tyres are only a couple of mm higher than standard 9.00x16 tyres but about 1.5" wider but the offset is also greater.

Driving - it really felt similar to the old MRFs - a little easier to steer but I have all new tyres are easy to steer until they bed in. In suburban streets it turns into corners a lot more quickly bit otherwise drives well - bounces around a bit on broken surfaces but the MRFs do also.

315/75R16 tyres will generally be close to the diameter of 9.00 x16 and I found Mickey Thomson MTZ, Toyo MTs very similar in performance and cost - Maxxiz Bighorns were a little cheaper and slightly smaller but did not seem to rate as well. I went the BFGs because they seemed to rate well offorad as well as onroad often getting 65,000km out off them. I guess we shall see.

I will keep the best two MRFs (half worn) as spares and keep the rest for "emergency" use.

Edit - the tread depth on new BFG MT KM2s is 15mm.

Cheers

Garry

[101 Ron]

Mach 6 wheels and cooper STT tyres - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/les-emanuel/sets/72157628431959465/)

[101 Ron]

Mach 5 Wheels for Land Rover custom offset without spacers and other 4x4 vehicles beadlock and off road specialist custom made offsets to order spy-der-lock in the zu wheel don't have offsets like mach-5-wheels which are made by hand manufactured and (http://www.mach5wheels.co.uk/)

[101RRS]

Mach 6 wheels and cooper STT tyres - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/les-emanuel/sets/72157628431959465/)

More interested on the 101 in that ad - looks like a Radio Body :)

My tyres do stick out about as much as in the ad - Ron do yours stick out as much?? Is a combination of wider wheels and increased offset - drives OK. Ron is the offset any different on your widened wheels??

Garry

[101 Ron]

My wheels are standard 101 centres welded onto a 8 inch rim with the internal offset the same as standard and the extra 1.5 inches to the outside of the rim.
Therefore my internal clearence is the same as before.
My tyres are 11 inches wide overall.
Most likely my tyre/wheel set up wouldnt stick out any further than yours.
I would have the advantage of less scrub steer as the tyre centre/kingpin angle would be little changed from standard including taking in acount of the slight larger diameter of the tyre.
I measured the tread depth as beening 18 mm.
I did another payment today on another Simex and I asked about the tyres you got..........the BFGs
They said good tyre and should get about 50 to 60 k life and a retail price of about 500 dollars.
I then asked about the simex.......much heavier duty tyre with unreal off road performance with no comment about tyre life.
horses for courses.
My front tyres do not stick out beyond the standard front rubber army flares .
The back tyre stuck out slightly.....25mm?? from the body work and why I fitted the extra rubber flares at the rear.
If going by the Flicka pics above mine stick out alot less.

[101RRS]

Those biters on your Simex's will get you out of most sloppy conditions. In Canberra the Simexs were within a few $$ of the BFGs.

I got some 100mm wide rubber strip from Clark Rubber today and will put that on the rear wheel arch do keep things legal - later I will look at moving the mudflaps out a little as well.

I think you will need to put your hernia belt on it you are going to try and lift your spare up into the spare wheel slot with those Simex's on. Mine weigh 46kgs and it is hard enough lifting them onto the wheel hubs let alone up behind the drivers seat.

Garry

[101 Ron]

The simex are very light and so is the wheels....no problems lifting .
may be a big problem fitting the spare into the spot behind the seat room wise.
My back mud guard flares I purchased 4 inch wide renforced rubber and I had to cut it lenght wise so it was the same width as the front aussie army items.
The front Army ones are screw threaded into place with bent 20mm wide alloy flat strip.
I purchased this but never used it.
I purchased 1/4 UNF stainless cap head screws and drilled and tapped the standard rear wheel well where possible.
On the flat area directly above the centre of the wheel I pop riveted 20 x 20 mm alloy angle to give me a flat surface to drill and tap into to support the rubber.
The alloy angle was sealed against the body work with neutral cure silastic.
Under the heads of the screws I used oversize stainless mud guard washers.
I found they provided enough support without going to go to the trouble to bend flat alloy to the shape of the guard with the rubber fitted.
Note do not use alloy angle more than 20x20 mm or the mud which will get caught behind/above it and can not get out.
Also I didnt run it full lenght because of the same.
Approx lenght of rubber used per side was 1.5 meters.

[101 Ron]

In this pic you can just see the bottoms of the UNF screws tapped though in a line running to the bottom of the tool box.
Note the pop rivet heads showing at the top of the guard holding the alloy angle.
The front edge of the guard was done similer to the rear.
Note in this pic I had not fitted the oversize stainless washers
With the washers fitted it was better supported and it works good.
The rear mud flap could really need to line up with the tyre better, but because of the jerry can holders which is the widest part of the vehicle it is not very noticeable.
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I trimed the rubber exactly like the front.
The above pic was a trial fitting.

[101RRS]

Great minds think alike - that is exactly how I am doing mine - instead of big washers I an using alumium strip like the fronts and mine will all be pop riveted on.

Garry

[101 Ron]

The reason I didnt use the strip is difficulty in getting the correct shape and getting the screw holes to line up etc.
You will find the problem when you go to do it.
It is very hard to allow for thickness of the rubber when fitted when bending to get the shape.
I forgot, I also used a short bit of 20/20 mm angle for the rubber directly below the tool box, you can just see the pop rivets for that too.

[101 Ron]

I went for a drive today.
I ran into some Suzuki boys today and some people who I have bumped into before.
I found the Zook boys are heavy into Simex centipedes and three of them were running centipedes in 32inch.
One bloke is running his second set and said he got 50,000 k from his first set.
It was interesting in what pressures they run too.
They go down to 6psi and winge that they come off at 4 psi.
I ran 18 psi and feel to get the tyres to really mold to the rocks and bag and grip I would need to go much lower.
In fact I ran home on 18psi with no effect the the tyres at highway speeds.
These Zook boys were fairly well set up and full on and the Zooks are a good bit of kit at low cost.

[101 Ron]

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[101 Ron]

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Note the tyres on the red Zook.....simex centipedes worn to the wear indicators.

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I am not going to sling off about towing a Zook as it screwed a rear tail shaft and I was very happy to help out as the bloke who owned it has towed/winched my 101 in the past.

[101RRS]

Zooks are a great vehicle - I had a 1.3 long wheel base 25years ago and they are virtually unstoppable. They are very light so any tyre normally lasts a long time on them.

Those Simexs on your 101 don't look at that big - suit it quite well - I assume they went well on your trip.

Tyre pressures are always contentious - I think what you have done in lowering your pressures is the way to go - most larger tyres wear in the centre because pressures are too high - my MRFs wore evenly an I put about 30psi in them on road only only dropped lower offroad if sand or in the slop.

The BFGs I have, have got 40psi in them from the fitter but I will drop them to 30psi and see how they go.

I might take a short run up to Mt Coree tomorrow to see how they go but there will not be too difficult - just a bit of loose rock - the mud hole where I damaged the bumper is nearby - will be tempting.

Garry

[rick130]

[snip]

Tyre pressures are always contentious - I think what you have done in lowering your pressures is the way to go - most larger tyres wear in the centre because pressures are too high - my MRFs wore evenly an I put about 30psi in them on road only only dropped lower offroad if sand or in the slop.

[snip]

Garry

Very true Gary, you can only experiment and see what works for your vehicle, the tyres and the way you drive.


I used to run much lower highway pressures with my old BFG MT's in 255/85's compared to everyone else with my 130.

[DasLandRoverMan]

For Garry's entertainment:

Extended wheel nuts at Craddocks (http://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/products/592926_adaptor_stud_for_fixing_wheel_step_101_late _2b_forward_control.php)

Only £18 each.

[101RRS]

Thats a bit over the top :(

I have a lot of spare Disco 1 wheel nuts which are the same as 101 nuts - as was suggested I will weld two together and use either some threaded rod or wheel studs and make some up.

Garry

[101RRS]

I have now done a couple of hundred kms on the KM2s now but all onroad no offroad as yet. I have settled on 30psi cold but using the 4psi rule maybe 31psi would be better. After about 40mins driving pressures go to 34.5 to 35psi so that would indicate 30psi is a tad low.

Driving on the new wheels is really no difference to the old MRFs - feels basically the same. While the new tyres look bigger when not on the vehicle - when on an measured up the are a couple of mm smaller than the 9.00x16s. While BFGs claim rolling dia to be 878mm but when off the vehicle more like 850mm and a 10mm less when on the car.

One big difference is being bias ply the old tyres would flat spot over night and would take about 10km to get enough heat in them to take it out - thump, thump, thump for quite a while. The BFGs do not have this issue so are quite smooth.

The BFGs are a wide tyre and I think that the preferred size in 16s would be something like 295/85R16 however I don't think anything is made in that size. That size will have the height and also be a nice width and would bag out at low pressures where not much happens in that regard with the 9.00x16s.

The new tyres will definitely be better than the 9.00x16s in the wet and offroad and there is a much larger range of tyres available. Just about all manufacturers make 315/75R16s in MTs but also ATs.

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thats a bit over the top :(

I have a lot of spare Disco 1 wheel nuts which are the same as 101 nuts - as was suggested I will weld two together and use either some threaded rod or wheel studs and make some up.

GarryGary

I had a machinist mate make up some similar nuts out of hex bar for my SIIB (with SIII hubs). That was before I knew about the 101 nuts, but now it seems it may be the way you'se guys will have to go as well.

Sorry I don't know what grade of steel he used and he's now very unwell so not going to ask.

Diana

[101RRS]

The only weight that the wheel steps has to hold is xyz kg of pure High Grade Aussie beef (that would be me).

Therefore mild steel would be more than adequate. I will get some threaded rod or some wheel studs and and knock up my own out of the threaded ros and two wheel nuts welded together.

Garry

[drifter]

The only weight that the wheel steps has to hold is xyz kg of pure High Grade Aussie beef (that would be me).

...
Garry

:eek:

[101 Ron]

Those biters on your Simex's will get you out of most sloppy conditions. In Canberra the Simexs were within a few $$ of the BFGs.

I got some 100mm wide rubber strip from Clark Rubber today and will put that on the rear wheel arch do keep things legal - later I will look at moving the mudflaps out a little as well.

I think you will need to put your hernia belt on it you are going to try and lift your spare up into the spare wheel slot with those Simex's on. Mine weigh 46kgs and it is hard enough lifting them onto the wheel hubs let alone up behind the drivers seat.

Garry

I now have tyre no 5
Diameter with vehicle weight on it is exactly 890mm (35 inch)
Found another marking on the Simex....315/80/r16 N123
The weight fitted to my standard widen 101 wheels is exactly 47 kg
Very happy still..........the only problem has been flat spotting until they warm up and the pressures really need to be dropped to get them to flex off road.
I accurately checked the diameter of the worn standard 900x16 bar threads........34 inch

[101 Ron]

I plan now to get 8 of these tyres it total.....4 on and 4 off so to speak.
I have also put my name on AJs last spare standard 101 wheel which will get the widen treatment , giving me 6 wheels suitable for the simex tyres.

[101RRS]

It is good you are happy with the tyres. If you are not aware of them - Craddocks have 8" 101 wheels 8 X 16 101FC STEEL WHEEL ET25 - JC131 - Land Rover Parts & Range Rover Parts (http://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/products/jc131_8_x_16_101fc_steel_wheel_et25.php)

I am running mine at about 32psi on the road and offroad probably 20-25 will be about right. They do balloon out a bit - unlike the MRFs so I will probably have to watch the sidewalls thought the side biters do come up the sidewall quite a bit so will provide a little protection.

Have you been able to lift that spare up into its spot as yet - that will be a ball buster:o.

Garry

[juddy]

Whats $450/500 Each like for a New Michelin (900x16) 255/100 R16 XZL????