101 Axles

[101RRS]

I understand that the axles in a 101 are unique to the 101. So are the axles 10 spline or 24 spline - I assume 10. Most things are beefed up on the 101, are the axles beefed up as well or can I expect the usual landy failures - what about fitting lockers - will the standard axles survive.

Questions, questions, questions

Oh one more - is there a gracious way of exiting the front of a 101 - I haven't quite mastered it - and the pics my family have taken of me getting out are not a pretty sight - and not for publication.

Thanks

Garry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I understand that the axles in a 101 are unique to the 101. So are the axles 10 spline or 24 spline - I assume 10. Most things are beefed up on the 101, are the axles beefed up as well or can I expect the usual landy failures - what about fitting lockers - will the standard axles survive.

Questions, questions, questions

Oh one more - is there a gracious way of exiting the front of a 101 - I haven't quite mastered it - and the pics my family have taken of me getting out are not a pretty sight - and not for publication.

Thanks

Garry
Garry

I was under the impression that all the Salisbury axles were 24 spline, but Ron, Slugbait or the other 101 owners will have to confirm the facts.

If you are concerned and the axles, CV and flanges are the standard Rover/Salisbury splines, Hi-Tough Engineering should be able to make you some specials. They (maxi-Drive) made up a pair of rears and some hybrid fronts and they were only about $600 per pair and that was with Mal having to make a special boach to cut the ENV splines. Yours should be cheaper as they shouldn't have to cut the splines

Diana

[Rangier Rover]

Oh one more - is there a gracious way of exiting the front of a 101 - I haven't quite mastered it - and the pics my family have taken of me getting out are not a pretty sight - and not for publication.

Thanks

Garry[/QUOTE] Fit a parachute before exiting 101:p:wasntme:

[cmurray]

I was under the impression that all the Salisbury axles were 24 spline, but Ron, Slugbait or the other 101 owners will have to confirm the facts.


I think they are 1.5" 30 spline axles and the CV's are larger and stronger than the AEU2522 CV's fitted to Land Rover 90's, 110's and 127's.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I think they are 1.5" 30 spline axles and the CV's are larger and stronger than the AEU2522 CV's fitted to Land Rover 90's, 110's and 127's.

Craig

It is interesting to know that the 101s are orphans in the salisbury and CV perspective. However if they are a weak point in the 101 then having Hi-Tough make up specials could be a good thing as the halfshafts made with Hi-Tough are significantly stronger than the original Rover items.

With my S2B I had to supply them with a side gear for the ENV diff to make up the broach to cut the splines, some S2a F/C halfshafts and the halfshaft dimensions for the S2b halfshafts . They already had broaches to cut the 24 spline flanges and the Stage 1 CVs I am using in the front. Now they can make specials for any Land Rover ENV diff in both the S2a and S2b forward controls and 1 tons.

It would be the same with the 101 - once they have the broachs and the dimensions of the halfshafts they can make them to order when required (usually make 2 of each - 1 for the customer and 1 for stock). Ideally they would need to have original halfshafts, a side gear and CV so they can check everything is O.K. They can cut halfshafts up to 80mm which is the largest diameter Hi-Tough stock they have.

Diana

[101RRS]

Hi Diana and others - thanks for the comments - I am not worried about the strength of the axles etc - indeed I had heard the opposite. However I am still learning about the truck and I guess forewarned is forearmed. I have busted axles on just about every landie I have owned and most were not working hard at the time.

I am interested in putting in a diff lock later and curious to find out if it might cause an issue.

Also loosing a few kgs might help in getting out of the truck as well.:mad:

Garry

[cmurray]

Craig
It is interesting to know that the 101s are orphans in the salisbury and CV perspective. However if they are a weak point in the 101 then having Hi-Tough make up specials could be a good thing as the halfshafts made with Hi-Tough are significantly stronger than the original Rover items.


As far as I am aware, the 101 axles are the strongest ones Land Rover ever made, and since they were made back in the 70's before Land Rover started making axles out of licorice, strength shouldn't be an issue. I know MacNamara Diffs have made quite a few difflocks for 101's and I believe they just use the standard axles as they are up to the task.

From memory the 101's also have a 5.7:1 crown wheel and pinion, which basically makes the whole axle assembly different, as the track is also about a foot wider than a standard Land Rover.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

As far as I am aware, the 101 axles are the strongest ones Land Rover ever made, and since they were made back in the 70's before Land Rover started making axles out of licorice, strength shouldn't be an issue. I know MacNamara Diffs have made quite a few difflocks for 101's and I believe they just use the standard axles as they are up to the task.

From memory the 101's also have a 5.7:1 crown wheel and pinion, which basically makes the whole axle assembly different, as the track is also about a foot wider than a standard Land Rover.

Craig

You may be correct about the 101 axles being strong, but having broken axles on standard Series II and Series IIa Land Rovers built in the 1960's and 1970's I can assure that Rover did make axles out of licorice like substances as early as 1960. :mad:

It was Garry who suggested that the 101 axles are weak. :wasntme:

Diana

[101RRS]

It was Garry who suggested that the 101 axles are weak. :wasntme:

Diana

:wasntme: :angel:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

:wasntme: :angel:
I do but honour thee! :TakeABow:

Diana

Addit: I must have read into your comment about the usual Land Rover failures being related to weak axles - which is a usual land rover failure!

[101 Ron]

Garrycol.....
My 101 is running a rear locker which I fitted.
The axles are 22 spline from memory and the axle diameter and drive flanges are much larger than any other rover.
The front cvs are special extra large too.
The only 101 I know of which broke a axle was running 20 inch Unimog wheel with oversize rubber.
The weak point is the the diff centres.
The 101 drivers book states the keep throttle setts low when using 1st and 2nd gears low range for this reason as the 78 to 1 low, low can produce a lot of torque.
Mac maccmara only made 10 diff locks for export and none others are advailable.
My machine is running a Detriot solf locker and I am very ,very pleased with it.
The constant 4wd means the front diff is driving too,so there are none of the draw backs of auto lockers and the camming of the solf locker is brillant too.
Auto lockers can not be fitted in the front .
I have worked out a way to fit a ARB air locker in a 101 with extra machining, so I am looking to do this to the front diff..........money stopping me at this time.
The locker in the rear made a terrific improvement off road as the the 1.5 tonne pay load of the 101 means it is no flex king.
My 101 plays with at the modern locked and lifted 4wds now.
In a nut shell the axles on the 101 is very good stuff and dont worry about then in any sort of use.
The very large axles mean fitting of a locker is harder.
Regards Ron

[Slugbait]

Not much I can say here

I think your right Ron 22 spline seems to come to mind. Anthony Johnson had the Macnamara Lockers made up in a special run.

Your right the diffs are 5.7:1 which makes them a different prospect for lockers. I wouldn't be worried about the axles but the swivel hubs can be a problem as they are welded to the front housing you have to take extra special care to keep them lubricated (I won't say how as I don't want to enter the grease/oil debate). If they start to wear you will have to get the housing rebuilt.

Oh there is no way to look graceful as you exit a 101 accept it as everyone else is not looking at you their looking at the truck.:D

[101RRS]

Garrycol.....
My machine is running a Detriot solf locker and I am very ,very pleased with it.
The constant 4wd means the front diff is driving too,so there are none of the draw backs of auto lockers and the camming of the solf locker is brillant too.
Auto lockers can not be fitted in the front .
I have worked out a way to fit a ARB air locker in a 101 with extra machining, so I am looking to do this to the front diff..........money stopping me at this time.


Thanks Ron - a rear locker is high on the list to get fitted after the truck is back on the road. Let me know how you go with the front ARB if you ever do it.

Cheers

Garry

[101RRS]

I wouldn't be worried about the axles but the swivel hubs can be a problem as they are welded to the front housing you have to take extra special care to keep them lubricated (I won't say how as I don't want to enter the grease/oil debate).

The swivel hubs were something I had identified as needing particular care in view of them being welded to the axle. I also have followed threads on the the topic of grease/oil. In all of my previous landies (except for the Freelander) I have always used a mix of oil and grease to have a bet either way - seems to have worked. Mine are weeping but not leaking but then I haven't checked them yet.

Thanks

Garry

[101 Ron]

Most 4 wheel drives with CV joints have the ball as part of the axle.
I cannot see a Landrover with the normal set up being any worse that a early toyota or nissan.
My 101 leaks slightly and its no big deal.
A hard high speed run will cause it most.
Luckly I have spare CV joint seals too.
As I type this I am looking at a 5 tonne 65 year old Studebaker 6x6 truck with the CV joint ball one piece wirh the axles .......No problems and no leaks.
The original Jeep is this way too.
Having a replaceable CV joint ball is better and I think the issuse is over in Europe where they salt the roads and corrosion pitts the balls it is the duck guts.
A bit of sandpaper to polish up the CV joint balls here in Aussie land seems to work well.
THe quality and type of ball seal has a great effect on leaks.
I know on a worn WW2 Jeep CVs and cheap Indian rubber seal is a waste of time and needs the CV joint to be disassembled to fit.........or find some WW2 leather items which are two piece and fitted in place and no more problems

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Most 4 wheel drives with CV joints have the ball as part of the axle.
I cannot see a Landrover with the normal set up being any worse that a early toyota or nissan.
My 101 leaks slightly and its no big deal.
A hard high speed run will cause it most.
Luckly I have spare CV joint seals too.
As I type this I am looking at a 5 tonne 65 year old Studebaker 6x6 truck with the CV joint ball one piece wirh the axles .......No problems and no leaks.
The original Jeep is this way too.
Having a replaceable CV joint ball is better and I think the issuse is over in Europe where they salt the roads and corrosion pitts the balls it is the duck guts.
A bit of sandpaper to polish up the CV joint balls here in Aussie land seems to work well.
THe quality and type of ball seal has a great effect on leaks.
I know on a worn WW2 Jeep CVs and cheap Indian rubber seal is a waste of time and needs the CV joint to be disassembled to fit.........or find some WW2 leather items which are two piece and fitted in place and no more problems

Ron

I have seen ordinary Land Rover ones which have a split in the seal which you fit at the top where they never leak.

Diana