Good Donor For Diesel Conversion???

[isuzurover]

Who has experience with the Nissan TD27 Engine?

I had to service one recently, and it (in a Terrano) came along on the trip from Bris-Perth. I must say I have become quite impressed with this little engine...

Some specs (as fitted to Terrano 1):
99 BhP (73 KW) @ 4000 rpm
159 lb/ft (215 N.m) @ 2000 rpm
8psi Boost std.

TIMING GEARS (like the venerable 4BD1 - this impressed me most of all)

Appears to have a Bosch VE injector pump...

I believe the engine is indirect injection, but the glow plugs stay on for 1 second at best, and it starts without accelerator. I think there is a later version of the TD27 that is direct injection and has more power/torque (can anyone confirm?).

This engine is fitted to Nissan Cabstar trucks, among others.

Power and torque seems only slightly down on a 300Tdi, and there certainly seems to be room for tweaking. This one had 300000km on the clock, but still ran like new and didn't use any oil in 6000km (wish I could say the same for my 2.25D).

Economy was around 9L/100km on the trip - in an AUTO! - where the 2.25D was using closer to 11.

[Dave_S]

Hi Ben,

Are you thinking of doing something with your IIA? I thought you'd finally gotten used to the noise and the smell:D

[isuzurover]

Hi Ben,

Are you thinking of doing something with your IIA? I thought you'd finally gotten used to the noise and the smell:D

rofl - used to it, but wouldn't mind a bit more power/gearing for when I make it look more like a forest rover :twisted:

The interesting thing I have found over here though, is the IIA goes MUCH better in the sand than the County. I will have to swap tyres and try again, but I think all the weight of the ISUZU makes the 110 dig in easier when in the soft stuff. Before the trip, I had worried that the IIA on 33x11s would just die in the sand - but no... So I am thinking there is something to be said for a lighter engine... But the jury is still out.

[Tank]

rofl - used to it, but wouldn't mind a bit more power/gearing for when I make it look more like a forest rover :twisted:

The interesting thing I have found over here though, is the IIA goes MUCH better in the sand than the County. I will have to swap tyres and try again, but I think all the weight of the ISUZU makes the 110 dig in easier when in the soft stuff. Before the trip, I had worried that the IIA on 33x11s would just die in the sand - but no... So I am thinking there is something to be said for a lighter engine... But the jury is still out.
Ben I have a series III 3 with the 2.25 Diesel (or I will have when I rebuild the engine) and I spotted a 2.5 5cyl Mercedes Diesel engine, low klms out of a 190D sedan, mechanical fuel injection, 77Kws, I thought it would be a sweet engine in the seriesIII, compact, no computer and not enough Torque or power to harm the rest of the SeriesIII, under $2K, Regards Frank.

[mudmouse]

These blokes do a few for the Nissan 6 amongst others. There was also a hybrid 110 on eBay with a Nissan 6/cabstar box conversion - seemed a nice fit.

Land Rover conversions - M&D Engineering (http://www.mdengineering.co.uk/)

[isuzurover]

Ben I have a series III 3 with the 2.25 Diesel (or I will have when I rebuild the engine) and I spotted a 2.5 5cyl Mercedes Diesel engine, low klms out of a 190D sedan, mechanical fuel injection, 77Kws, I thought it would be a sweet engine in the seriesIII, compact, no computer and not enough Torque or power to harm the rest of the SeriesIII, under $2K, Regards Frank.

Hi Frank, not a huge fan of merc diesels, and I will be replacing the whole driveline (box and T-case) when I eventually do it, to get lower gearing (49:1 is barely low enough atm).

[shinz]

Ben, the TD27 is generally reckoned to be a goodun. Talking to an engine reconditioner here in NZ, he said the only engine they never really see in are the TD27s. I was keen on one some years back after I found out that Marks 4wd adaptors had done a kit to fit these & a Nissan 5 speed to a series Xfer box. Enquiries got me no where, they no longer did them & seemed reluctant to tell me what box they used, but I reckon it would be the one from the light trucks that run this setup. gear shift straight out of the top of the box & no housing out the back to get in the way of an adaptor. I've not been able to find out whether or not the later ones have direct injection or not. I've seen mention of them putting out about 125 hp in IC form in Terrano 2s but AKAIK this uses electronically controlled injection in much the same way as the later 300 TDis did. I'm thinking in terms of something like this to replace a V8 & auto box in a Disco with something like this. The Nissan box is reputed to be very strong, more so than a LT&& or R380 & also have decent ratios. Hope thats given you something to think on, I must get A into G & track some more info down myself.
Steve.

[Defender=1st]

I was looking at putting a 4JB1-T (2.8lt Turbo Diesel, seen in the Holden Rodeo and Isuzu Mu ) into my Series 3. they are a briliant motor great fuel economy and very good at low revs and Bloody reliable !

[agrojnr]

Get the latest Landrover owner international mag they do a 200tdi conversion into a 11A

Adam

[locorr]

I have a navara dual cab with a 2.7d that has a turbo off a turano import. The conversion was done by the previous mechanic owner. He had it on the dyno and it's putting out 110bhp at the rear wheels. Not sure how much boost it has but it goes alright. It has cancer so I've been toying with the idea of putting the motor in my 82 rrc. I did think about putting it in my 76rrc for doing comps but I really like the sound and grunt of my 4.6L. I'm getting about 12L/100km mainly town work with a bit of gear in the back.

[olbod]

My old 73 Patrol didn't have a TD27 but had a TD33.
It was a fantastic engine. I used it as my daily driver vehicle untill my
wife became ill in 1997, then I sold it for something with more comfort for her. I drove it for 15 years, apart from servicing, I only had to replace
2 glow plugs and one set of injectors. I redesigned and rebuilt the suspension when I first got it. Oh, I put a new radiator, hoses and belts
in it in 93.
It had no aircon and only a three speed box but we took it all over Oz
bushbashing and it never once let me down.
Cheers.

[justinc]

I have a customer with one in his 1986 RR, with the ZF behind it. It goes VERY well, will out perform a Tdi D1, and uses very little fuel. BUT, it gets hot up hills, so much so that I will have to do something about it as it is annoying him when He goes to tow his camper etc.
I suspect it is a pump/ fuelling issue, but I haven't had a GOOD look yet.
JC

[shinz]

I was looking at putting a 4JB1-T (2.8lt Turbo Diesel, seen in the Holden Rodeo and Isuzu Mu ) into my Series 3. they are a briliant motor great fuel economy and very good at low revs and Bloody reliable !

& if you can get one with the timing gears rather than belts then thats the end of all that. :) It would be possible to do as in my previous post & use a gearbox from a non 4wd application onto the LT230 with an adaptor, but the Isusu boxes are reputed to have pretty crappy ratios with a big gap from 2nd to 3rd so it might be better to fit it straight onto the LR box with an adaptor plate. You're right about the legendary reliability & economy of the 4jb1 motors but if something does go wrong they're 'sposed to be uber costly to fix.:(
Steve

[isuzurover]

I have a customer with one in his 1986 RR, with the ZF behind it. It goes VERY well, will out perform a Tdi D1, and uses very little fuel. BUT, it gets hot up hills, so much so that I will have to do something about it as it is annoying him when He goes to tow his camper etc.
I suspect it is a pump/ fuelling issue, but I haven't had a GOOD look yet.
JC

Justin, when I was trying to find the filter PN's for this engine, I stumbled across a couple of threads talking about overheating problems... One post mentioned that altering the pump timing removes all problems. I haven't tried it myself. This one gets to just over half on the temp guage when working hard, but that is all.

[justinc]

Justin, when I was trying to find the filter PN's for this engine, I stumbled across a couple of threads talking about overheating problems... One post mentioned that altering the pump timing removes all problems. I haven't tried it myself. This one gets to just over half on the temp guage when working hard, but that is all.

Thanks Ben!! I was sure this was worth a look, as ONLY when it is working does it overheat, and the cooling system is A1. The previous owner I guess ran into this problem, and I THINK it is why they sold it!! There was twin thermos, NO thermostat, a new rad, etc etc etc etc. in it when my customer bought it. :D He'll be stoked when I adjust the timing for him!!!:twisted:

On another note, I also had lots of probs locating a filter for it, I have a Fleetguard one at work for him now, did you need a P/N still?

JC

[george37]

Hello Ben, im George live in Santiago, Chile, i have a 1976 2 doors Range Rover with a Nissan TD27, not so fast but runs good, inside the Range Rover, works all the instruments, except water T° ( of the original V8), have to change the glow plugs, hard to start in the morning, and check the Garret turbo, cylinder head machined, the previous owner, never change the oil and only add water instead of coolant to the diesel engine (very important), a very reliable and powerfull engine.
Best regards
George
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[george37]

Ben
Sorry, missed, 109" Land Rover Series III gearbox, 2" adaptor bell housing flange, and diff lock 100% operably.

Regards
George

[Dougal]

Bd30 and zd30 are the direct injection versions. Zd is electronic control.

[LandyAndy]

Ben.
Seeing you are an Isuzu fan,look at the 1999 era Rodeo motor,the 2.8 turbo version,they are more powerful than the later 3.0lt non vct motors.
Mate has a 1999 rodeo,coming up for 500000ks with only normal servicing done.It kills my 06 3.0lt rodeo.
Andrew

[isuzurover]

Ben.
Seeing you are an Isuzu fan,look at the 1999 era Rodeo motor,the 2.8 turbo version,they are more powerful than the later 3.0lt non vct motors.
Mate has a 1999 rodeo,coming up for 500000ks with only normal servicing done.It kills my 06 3.0lt rodeo.
Andrew

Hi Andy, check the date of the thread ;)

I am well aware of the 4JB1 engine...

[V8Ian]

Five years and two hours behind the east. :p