Capstan Winch Rope

[gromit]

I thought I should get some rope for the winch fitted to my Series 1 so a visited a rope/chain/sling supplier in Dandenong, unfortunately they hadn't got a clue. I was a bit wary of the advice to use a steel rope ?!

Internet research seems to point to a natural (manilla) rope but I wondered if anyone has any further information such as the best diameter, whether manilla is the best option etc. etc.
When the winch was fitted as an option what did LR provide in the way of a rope ?

Another thought is can you still source the shear pins ?

Maybe a rope that 'is about right' wound in a figure 8 on the front bumper would give the right look ? Still it seems a shame to have a winch that cannot be used in anger..........


Colin

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I thought I should get some rope for the winch fitted to my Series 1 so a visited a rope/chain/sling supplier in Dandenong, unfortunately they hadn't got a clue. I was a bit wary of the advice to use a steel rope ?!

Maybe a rope that 'is about right' wound in a figure 8 on the front bumper would give the right look ? Still it seems a shame to have a winch that cannot be used in anger..........


Colin
Colin

DO NOT USE A STEEL/WIRE ROPE. It will damage the bollard, you find many that have been used with wire rope and can see the grooves. Some even have hardfacing welded onto the bollard - Yuk!

The best type of rope is hemp as it gives a better feel and grip over manila rope and from memory should be about 1 1/2" diameter. Try a ships chandler rather than a lifting gear specialist. (They may even splice an eye into one end for you to use your D shackles.)

Diana

[JDNSW]

Colin

DO NOT USE A STEEL/WIRE ROPE. It will damage the bollard, you find many that have been used with wire rope and can see the grooves. Some even have hardfacing welded onto the bollard - Yuk!

The best type of rope is hemp as it gives a better feel and grip over manila rope and from memory should be about 1 1/2" diameter. Try a ships chandler rather than a lifting gear specialist. (They may even splice an eye into one end for you to use your D shackles.)

Diana

Series 2a Owners Handbook p/n 4482 October 1962 p.100:-

"The most suitable rope size and type is 1 1/4" diameter (31.5mm) 3 3/4" circumference Manila"

Hemp would also be suitable. If used seriously do not use synthetic rope, or at least use it very carefully - if slipped on the capstan, as is normal practice for control, it is likely to melt on the surface and lose all grip, as well as substantially weakening that part of the rope.

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

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...Still it seems a shame to have a winch that cannot be used in anger..........
Colin
Colin

Is the comment that it can't be used in anger relating to the absence of the rope or something else?

If something else is the absence of the engine side of the capstan, you can modify the series 2 selector and other bits. PM me an I'll give you the dirt on the issue.

Diana

P.S. When getting manila/hemp rope - I should have mentioned getting a thimble spliced in with the eye. This will protect the end of the rope from the D shackles etc.

[easo]

Colin

DO NOT USE A STEEL/WIRE ROPE.

Diana

I have small grooves in my bollard from this.



Hemp would also be suitable. If used seriously do not use synthetic rope, or at least use it very carefully - if slipped on the capstan, as is normal practice for control, it is likely to melt on the surface and lose all grip, as well as substantially weakening that part of the rope.

John

Some synthetic rope has a lot of stretch and if it breaks, it will whip back with some force.

The thicker the rope the less raps around the bollard (min twice around) The thiner the more raps.

I have 1 1/2'' manila. Its very long.

As for the rope fig8 around the bumper.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/03/467.jpg

Cheers Easo

[Lotz-A-Landies]

...I have 1 1/2'' manila. Its very long.

Cheers Easo

Yup but if you use manila - ya canna smoke it wen ya wanna r'lax! :D:D:D Geez I've got da munchies rite 'bout now.

Easo - are the spot lights on the 130 to enhance the family resemblance? Nice work!!

Diana

[easo]

Easo - are the spot lights on the 130 to enhance the family resemblance? Nice work!!

Diana

Good evening, Diana.
Now I see it! Never thought about it. A Roo recently took out the left one.

Do you have any sheer pins? I need one, or two.

Cheers Easo

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Good evening, Diana.
Now I see it! Never thought about it. A Roo recently took out the left one.

Do you have any sheer pins? I need one, or two.

Cheers Easo
Sorry Easo I don't - although I don't think they are all that difficult to acquire from engineers suppliers. Try someone like Blackwoods.

From memory, in the capstan manual it suggests that in an emergency you can use a 1/4" mild steel bolt.

Sorry I can't be all that much help.

Diana

[easo]

The hard part is trying to line up the broken pin to knock it out.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The hard part is trying to line up the broken pin to knock it out.
I think that is why so many end up with the mild steel.

You need a fibreoptic endoscope so you can watch as you rotate the bollard.

Diana

[Xtreme]

The hard part is trying to line up the broken pin to knock it out.

The harder part is completing the recovery after you hace sheared the pin and you haven't got a spare one!

On Fraser Island in 1970 I had to revert to using a steel cable to recover a LWB Station Wagon (with waves washing around it) when my manilla rope broke. I can't remember what size it was, but it was pretty big.
Luckily the shear pin didn't break as the SW was sitting on the chassis.

[JDNSW]

Snatch blocks are very useful with the capstan winch, both because they do not have side rollers, so as to get a straight pull, and to get a two to one advantage.

John

[gromit]

Thanks for all the replies.....

Looks like I will try for some 11/2" Manilla rope if I get time before Cooma.


Colin

[gromit]

Found this in the UK, they suggest a 3/4" Manilla rope.


The Imperial Tool Company (http://www.imperial-tool.ltd.uk/store/comersus_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory= 231)


Colin