Rear Indicators Upgrades

[AussieLandRover]

There has only been one major concern when I brought my 1995 Land Rover Discovery and that was the rear indicator's are only on the rear bumper bar and the earlier models has them included into the brake lights later on.

What I am wanting to find out has anyone made there own mods to allow the earlier model be fitted or have some of you got extra lights put on so drivers including truck drivers can see that you are changing lanes or turning.

Pics of mods etc would go along way.

[landrovermick]

I have a '93 disco, i soldered a diode from the brake light to the red "fog" lamp thus turning it into another break light in the cluster - i would like the bumper bar with the lights as well - just to light up a little more....

also have reflective tape on the back of the diff and axle..... can do a pic if ya want one

mick

Mick

[AussieLandRover]

You missunderstood there is a lack of proper indicator's on this model the only ones are on the bumper bar I need a pair higher up so they are properly visable by all.

[one_iota]

You missunderstood there is a lack of proper indicator's on this model the only ones are on the bumper bar I need a pair higher up so they are properly visable by all.

I think you will find that the 96 model onwards had the lights in both places....so a trip to a wrecker will get you the correct light for the body and some wiring tricks will get them to work...

In 11 years I haven't had anyone run into the back of mine because of this "major" problem.;) :)

[Utemad]

The pre update model has all the tail lights in the pillars.
The update model of about 94-95 has the indicators and tail lights in the bumper and brake lights and reverse lights in the pillar.
The update of about 96-99 had the full set of pillar lights as well as the bumper lights.

So if you get the older or newer tail lights and do some wiring then all will be well.
I ran wires to the tail lights in the pillars (which are in the dual filament bulb with the brake light) so I at least have tail lights in the pillar.

[Scouse]

You missunderstood there is a lack of proper indicator's on this model the only ones are on the bumper bar I need a pair higher up so they are properly visable by all.Be aware that extra indicators will have your Disco thinking you have a trailer connected & flash the trailer warning light with your indicators.
There are ways around this little problem - the easiest being LED globes.

[Utemad]

Scouse I have never considered this before but are there two different flasher cans for the models with only two rear indicators (whether in the bar or in the pillar) and the model with four rear indicators?

[rovercare]

Be aware that extra indicators will have your Disco thinking you have a trailer connected & flash the trailer warning light with your indicators.
There are ways around this little problem - the easiest being LED globes.

Or 5w globes:)

[Scouse]

Scouse I have never considered this before but are there two different flasher cans for the models with only two rear indicators (whether in the bar or in the pillar) and the model with four rear indicators?I have heard that is the case but I have never checked it myself. I'll have a look see tomorrow :).

[Utemad]

Thank Scouse. It would mean that for those of us with only one pair of rear indicators that we would have another option when fitting indicators in a bullbar.

[Rosscoe68]

orange globes from supercheap into the reverse light section and wire them up to indicators and get a small reverse light spotty under rear bar and wire it up and you are sweet, :)
i am in the midst of doing this on my D2 as it is the same, no indicators up high.

[AussieLandRover]

I do remeber coming across a site that was selling an upgrade kit but I can no longer find it but I am still trying to search for it. Far as I can remeber it included the lenses, plugs, harnes etc and I think at a cost of like $300 / $400.

[rovercare]

Thank Scouse. It would mean that for those of us with only one pair of rear indicators that we would have another option when fitting indicators in a bullbar.

That's why you use 5W globes not 21W, they're repeaters not indicators, low wattage globes wont effect the flasher:)

[Utemad]

That's why you use 5W globes not 21W, they're repeaters not indicators, low wattage globes wont effect the flasher:)

I've got 10w bulbs to put into my bullbar lights. However I need to get another flasher can as the previous owner fixed the problem by getting a 2 pin flasher can. I'll just grab a 3 pin flasher can from a wrecker. Be it a 94-95 model or a 96-99 model.

[Scouse]

Scouse I have never considered this before but are there two different flasher cans for the models with only two rear indicators (whether in the bar or in the pillar) and the model with four rear indicators?According to the parts list, there are 3 different flasher units used on the update D1 :confused:.

Indicators in rear bumper only:
YWT10003 (3 pin, car without trailersocket)
YWT10002L (4 pin, car with trailer socket)

Indicators in rear bumper & body:
AMR4873 (89w flasher unit)

For the cars with bumper indicators only, I thought maybe some countries had a different harness thet didn't have the trailer plug built in. All Australian cars have the plug in the harness so I assumed that the flasher would be YWT10002L.
However, checking both YWT10003 & YWT10002L, LR have both in their Australian stock (which is a surprise if one isn't for Australian cars).


Has anyone here checked the original flasher unit in a 1995MY D1?
Is it 3 or 4 pin?
Does it have a part number on it?

[DiscoClax]

I've got one of these D1s with this design flaw. And, yes, I do see it as a flaw. There's no redundancy in that set-up and the lights are hidden in the spray/dust/etc. LR made this change in advance of some proposed EU regs that then didn't go ahead as expected, so they then changed back a couple of years later, but left the bumper lights as well as a very worthwhile upgrade.

My fix:- I got the pillar lights off a '96 (complete with globes, connector & 2" of wiring, etc) from eBay, bunged 'em in and spliced the wiring in. Bingo! Four tail-lights and two indicators on each side with no drawbacks. No warning lights or other issues. And now it looks like a later model as a bonus :D

Mate of mine with an NP Paj trying to do the same, for the same sorts of reasons. Much harder in his case. Very stupid idea having a highly visible light cluster, not fully utilised. :mad:

[AussieLandRover]

I've got one of these D1s with this design flaw. And, yes, I do see it as a flaw. There's no redundancy in that set-up and the lights are hidden in the spray/dust/etc. LR made this change in advance of some proposed EU regs that then didn't go ahead as expected, so they then changed back a couple of years later, but left the bumper lights as well as a very worthwhile upgrade.

My fix:- I got the pillar lights off a '96 (complete with globes, connector & 2" of wiring, etc) from eBay, bunged 'em in and spliced the wiring in. Bingo! Four tail-lights and two indicators on each side with no drawbacks. No warning lights or other issues. And now it looks like a later model as a bonus :D

Mate of mine with an NP Paj trying to do the same, for the same sorts of reasons. Much harder in his case. Very stupid idea having a highly visible light cluster, not fully utilised. :mad:

And are your electrics ok when you plug your trailer in :confused:
Were did you splice to the indicator's into the ones on the bar or the trailer wiring :confused:

This is all very interesting and when I do mine I will open a how-to for others to follow and add to it.

[DiscoClax]

For ease of installation I spliced into the trailer wiring for the additional tail-light and indicator on each side, and swapped the pins in the connector as required for the other existing lights.

One thing I haven't done is hooked up a trailer since the conversion. So I can't comment on what issues that might, or might not, bring up. A trailer with LEDs should be fine though as the current draw would be very low. Swapping the relay should also fix this if it is an issue.

[RonMcGr]

I have a 97 and all lights operate, bumper and body.

[Scouse]

I have a 97 and all lights operate, bumper and body.All 96 to 98 MYs have the bumper & body indicators as standard.

[Utemad]

Indicators in rear bumper only:
YWT10003 (3 pin, car without trailersocket)
YWT10002L (4 pin, car with trailer socket)

Indicators in rear bumper & body:
AMR4873 (89w flasher unit)

Has anyone here checked the original flasher unit in a 1995MY D1?
Is it 3 or 4 pin?
Does it have a part number on it?

Thank Scouse.

I have just pulled out my flasher unit and it is a YWT10003. As you say it is a 3 pin.
So all this time I was thinking that the previous owner put it in as a way to stop the bullbar indicators from flashing the trailer dashboard light and it is probably standard.
My HR towbar is definately aftermarket as the trailer harness was wired in with scotchlocks into the LHS taillight with the RHS indicator being wired into the RHS bumper light. A bit of extra work since they could have just used the factory trailer loom (which I've since rewired it to).

An interesting note is that it has this written on it:
21wx2 + 5w + 1.2w
MAX 21wx4 + 5wx2 + 1.2wx2

So does this mean the side lights are only 5w? As it would overload the unit if all six indicators were 21w (when using the hazards of course as indicating only uses 3 lights at once).

[Scouse]

An interesting note is that it has this written on it:
21wx2 + 5w + 1.2w
MAX 21wx4 + 5wx2 + 1.2wx2

So does this mean the side lights are only 5w? As it would overload the unit if all six indicators were 21w (when using the hazards of course as indicating only uses 3 lights at once).Yes, the repeaters on the guards are weaker than the front/rear indicators.

[nzoliver]

Hi all,
This has been covered hundres of times in the Pommy websites. Most just get clusters from an 89-93 or 96-98 and bung em in. The wiring loom already has the brake light on it. THEN, ya need to get the 96-98 flasher relay from LR and all will be perfect.
The legislation was "to ensure that 2 tail lights and both L+R indicators (for Hazzard warning) are visible with the rear door open" :)

[AussieLandRover]

I cam across a guy on ebay selling rear pillar lights with the indicator's saying that all the wiring is there already for the indicator's and that it is just a matter of bunging them in and away you go.

But I did come across a UK website selling conversion kits and i did make an inquire on them about what is in the kit and all I got back was the pair of lights and a new 4 pin relay to replace the 3 pin relay nothing else.

UPDATE : Just scored myself a pair of rear pillar lights for my landy from ebay picking them up tomorrow hopefully.

[AussieLandRover]

Ok I found the guys in the UK who are selling the kits.
SIMMONITES LTD (http://www.simmonites.com/DISCOVERY%20LIGHTING.htm)

I can tell you after I asked if they could just sell the kit to me without the lights they stopped replying to my emails great costomer service from the UK. But from what I got in the emails sounds like only two items the lights and the flasher unit.

[AussieLandRover]

Damm I missed out on the lights the guy broke one of them while trying to take it off grrrrr.

[AussieLandRover]

YES now I got a pair from Ritters in melbourne should have them sometime early next week along with a brand new $350 starter motor :)

[Rosscoe68]

fitted rear indicators up high on my D2. amber light bulbs in place of the clear reverse bulbs. ran twin core cable from the original indicator in the rear bar. fed indicator power into the amber bulb up high and the reverse signal back down the other core of the twin to a pair of reverse lights fitted under the rear bar. now have very bright indicators and reverse lights and all for the cost of about $20 in some amber bulbs and cable :) :)

[Rosscoe68]

p.s. my trailer light always came on due to bullbar so no issue, plus for the next 12 months i'll have a camper trailer on back so it would have been on anyhow :)

[AussieLandRover]

Damm Ritters are quick first thing this morning at 8am they arrived and I didn't relise how small the starter motor is for a V8i ?

Well had a look at the lights this evening and nope you can't just plug them in like I was told from a guy from the UK selling the kits so I guess there disco's were wired with one harnes across the range unlike us here there not.

I think all I have to do is get power lead to the globe and it should work ?

[harlie]

Hi -just seen this so I'm probably late with this.

Before my D2 I owned a 1994 300tdi Disco, I added the later model top tail lights in late 1996. Used new parts from British Off Road - they traded my old lights. The wiring had to be spliced in to the main harness and the extra wire brought through the plug on the back of the new lights. The trailer light (on dash) on that vehicle never worked and I never had a problem with the tails.
sometime in 1999 we did this mod to Dad's 1995 disco.

Have been thinking for a while of getting the update D2 lights for my current car - bit lazy these days, and they want to much $ for the parts.

[Tyresqueal]

According to the parts list, there are 3 different flasher units used on the update D1 :confused:.

Indicators in rear bumper only:
YWT10003 (3 pin, car without trailersocket)
YWT10002L (4 pin, car with trailer socket)

Indicators in rear bumper & body:
AMR4873 (89w flasher unit)

For the cars with bumper indicators only, I thought maybe some countries had a different harness thet didn't have the trailer plug built in. All Australian cars have the plug in the harness so I assumed that the flasher would be YWT10002L.
However, checking both YWT10003 & YWT10002L, LR have both in their Australian stock (which is a surprise if one isn't for Australian cars).


Has anyone here checked the original flasher unit in a 1995MY D1?
Is it 3 or 4 pin?
Does it have a part number on it?

I've just pulled my relay as it was playing up and it's a 3 pin YWT 10003 - '94 built/'95 compliance D1, but an MA, so don't know if that's any use to you.

[AussieLandRover]

Does anyone know what the pin outs are on the pillar lights are for left and right with the indicator's included type ?

[AussieLandRover]

Hey I finally got around to doing the mod to my disco I now have the pillar indicator's and it was easy to do and when i hooked the trailer up no problems at all everything is working ok.

[blackbuttdisco]

I see someone else had had their towbar fitted by an "Expert". Mine too was wired in with Scotchlocks, long before I bought the D1. These horrible things were the culprits of my new trailer lights working then not working. After a while they get moisture in them and when you put the multimeter on you get 12Volts but when you turn the lights on they do not work. Until I get the correct plug I have replaced all the scotchlocks with screw type terminal blocks. Why did they not use the proper plug. Too lazy. The auto lecky I use said they thought Scotchlocks were the best thing since sliced bread when they came out, but now he will not use them.