Chassis number missing?

[TeZZaP]

I'm just recording all the numbers off everything I can find on a reno project that I'm just starting... everything appears to be in order apart from I can't located the chassis #, its suppose to be left rear section above shackle plate isn't it?

TeZZa

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I'm just recording all the numbers off everything I can find on a reno project that I'm just starting... everything appears to be in order apart from I can't located the chassis #, its suppose to be left rear section above shackle plate isn't it?

TeZZa

Tezza

The rear location is usually true for Australian built vehicles after the 80" however, UK Built vehicles usually have their chassis number on the front RHS spring hanger bracket.

This is a problem for vehicles that have modified/extended spring hangers as they will plate over the top of the number.

Hope this helps.

Diana

[TeZZaP]

Thanks for that info, I'll check first thing tomorrow!

[TeZZaP]

Bugger, front of chassis has had some work done... no number there. I'm planning on de-greasing the chassis/axels/engine over the next couple of day (then its onto stripping off the last few bits and starting the making good process :D), so if its elsewhere on the chassis hopefully I'll notice it!

Do you think it will be an issue not having a chassis number stamped on the actual chassis? :(

[stage1slave]

It certainly will be an issue. Especially if you are planning on getting the vehicle road registered. From personnal experience, QLD Transport take no prisoners where it comes to chassis numbers! They have more power than the police and it seems to me that every inspector is hoping to be the one to find a stolen or rebirthed vehicle.
If you can't find a number on the chassis my advice would be to ask them for a surrogate number when the time comes for rego.
hope you find that number,good luck
cheers
ER

[JDNSW]

I have been through this, albeit in NSW and a few years ago.

You will have to clean the location down to bare metal to be sure it is not there - on the ones I have seen it is on the vertical part of the chassis bracket that hold the shackle pin at the back of the LH back spring.

John

[TeZZaP]

Double Bugger! I'll double check both places (Rear LH + Front RH), I've given them both a manual wire brush back down to (almost) metal, enough that I thought any number should show... but I'll get into it hopefully tomorrow and get it back to 'real' bear metal... I'll let you know how I go!

I do have the 'Manufactured by Solihull etc' plate, that states the Chassis No. Can I trace the history of the vehicle from that? [I also have a number plate, that I assume should have been returned...]

[Lotz-A-Landies]

It's very difficult at times and seems it relates to which apprentice was stamping the numbers that day. I think by the end of the day they were too tired to stamp very hard.

Try with your wire brush and if you get a hint of a number go over it with some fine emery paper on a block. It can sometimes bring up the ridges around the edge of the digits.

Also when you investigate, and if you haven't found it in the place specified by John, check the horizontal section of the rear bracket just below the chassis side rail. To see it you sometimes have to lie down on the ground and look up at the number.

Hope your luck with the search improves.

Diana

[Bigbjorn]

Restamp it. A set of number punches is not a great outlay for the trouble they will save you from dogmatic bureaucrats.

[UncleHo]

G'day TeZZap :)

The chassis No is stamped on the outer verticle face of the front section of the Right Hand Chassis rail on the 110's and late Series 3's
just behind the bumper mounting bolts, if the vehicle has been fitted with a bull bar or a raised chassis with the extra plates, they could well be hiding the stamped number, but it should be on your compliance plate on the front radiator panel, if it is a later series 3 (post 1979) it will have a number that reads like SALLB*******123456 If it is pre 1979 it will be something like 913 (4cyl pet CKD) or 918 (4cyl Diesel) or 943 (6cyl CKD)

Hope that is of help

cheers

[Col.Coleman]

I went through this when I transferred the rego after buying my stage 1. Told them I didn't know where it was, they were busy and just took it from the plate. Was already registered though. Should look for it but that means scraping off 26 years off crud.

CC

[stage1slave]

I went through this when I transferred the rego after buying my stage 1. Told them I didn't know where it was, they were busy and just took it from the plate. Was already registered though. Should look for it but that means scraping off 26 years off crud.

CC

Yeh, It all depends on how busy they are, for sure. For us, it's maybe the long sruffy beard and oil stained work clothes that get them on edge straight away. To get any vehicle registered, we now go in at lunchtime as they can be short staffed due to lunch breaks and far less padantic because of such!

The purchase of a set of stamps can be very benefical indeed. Although we always make sure the said vehicle is totally legit in the first place. No pen pusher is gonna take my hard earnt Landie off me!:nazilock:

cheers
ER

[TeZZaP]

Hi UncleHo

I'm really worried now... still no sign of a number on the chassis anywhere, I'll drag it out into better light and wire-brush back to bare metal hopefully today, if not over the weekend. The vehicle already had the body off when I picked it up, so the compliance plate had been taken off and was loose, so I don't know where exactly it was attached to... on that note, by compliance plate, you are referring to this (see attached), aren't you? The number on the plate looks like this - 902xx992 A, not sure how that fits in!

EDIT TO ADD

Via CalVIN
902; Model: Land Rover, Series III
Body type: Basic
Wheel base: 88in
Engine: petrol
Model years: 1972-1979
Destination: Export, right-hand drive (RHD)
00992 =Serial number
A = Design: Unmodified

So it appears to be legit at least!
I can see me having to buy a set of stamps...

[dandlandyman]

I probably can't offer any more clarification, but feel the urge to add my two cents...
Yours being a suffix A, it was built in just the first couple of years of Series 3 production. It should be confirmed by the date of compliance. My 1974 109 is a suffix C. The compliance plate is rivetted to the radiator support panel, beside the bonnet catch mechanism.
Being that early your chassis number won't be stamped on the front spring hanger, it is stamped on the left rear shackle bush mount. That's where it is on my Series 3. More specifically, it's on the bit of metal which is welded to the outer face of the chassis longitudinal (Oh for the want of a digital camera!). It may be that some PO has replaced the spring bush mount (worn out or rusted) and forgotten to restamp the number.
Hope this helps, even if only a little...

Dan.
69 2a 88" pet4, 74 3 109" pet4, 68 2b FC pet6.

[dandlandyman]

Just an addit. The plate you show is the build plate. It is screwed to the bulkhead under the dash. It will show the chassis no. (902.....A) and a PMC build no. (88.....).
The compliance plate is an unpainted aluminium plate with numbers stamped into it from behind. It should state chassis number (902.....A), vehicle type (Land Rover 88" 4 cylinder...), month and year in which it was complianced (eg. 6/73), seating capacity, GVM, and the relevant ADRs (numbers, eg. 1,..., 27A, etc). It measures about 3" by about 2". From memory, they started fitting them to all Australian built vehicles from January 1972.
Getting around the missing IDs may include REVS checks, and writing to JRA for build date info.
Hope this helps.

Dan.
69 2a 88" pet4, 74 3 109" pet4, 68 2b FC pet6.

[MajorNeb]

Hmmm, now you guys have me in a bit of a panic! I can't find any plates of those description on my Landy. I bought it of an old bloke and he was the original owner from new. Looks like I might have to give him a ring.

All the paper work went through and I have all the numbers on the rego papers.

Just seems a bit strange. I completely forgot to check the plates. I guess it was the rose coloured Landy glasses I had on. :D Too damn excited I found one I could afford in such good nick and with only one owner. Oh well, live and learn.

Nathanial

[JDNSW]

If it is a very early Series 3, it is possible it never had a compliance plate. While in theory they were needed from 1972, Series 3 model year 1972 could have actually been built in 1971, and in any case it is likely that they were not fitted to all cars built in 1972, even though they should have been.

John

[TeZZaP]

Hi guys, just a quickie to say I haven't lost heart and thanks for all your PMs and wise words - I have got a clean REVs report and am currently trying to track down a little more info from Queensland Roads re the vehicle (ie if it even had a compliance plate). In the mean time I am proceeding with the renovation. I did, after all take on this one as a bit of fun to get my hand back-in, so to speak; its been quite a few years since I took on any rebuild level type projects... once this one's complete I'm gonna go after a series 1 SWB rebuild! [Nothing like being positive!]

Next stage is to POR15 the chassis... although I do need to install a new bath in the next few weeks too, so don't be surprised if I go off line for a couple of weeks!

TeZZa

[UncleHo]

G'day TeZZaP :)

That black plate is your vehicle's ID plate with the Chassis No on it. (should be fixed to the cabinside of the engine firewall) That Chassis No indicates that it was imported as a fully built up vehicle, and was not an Australian Production Vehile built from a CKD kit, the Chassis No 90200001A -onwards is for "RHD Export, Basic,Four Cyl Petrol" so it won't have a PMC build plate.
The Chassis No's for 88"RHD CKD vehicles is 903xxxxxxxxA onwards it would be pre 1975 as in 75 they went to VIN no's SALLB****

It may possibly have an Australian ADR plate on the front horizontal surface of the radiator support panel,it is an aluminium plate that is stamped from behind, it will have something like "this vehicle complies with ADR 27,27a,blah blah, seating cap 3, blah blah." but this was often lost/not replaced when the panel was repaired from rust/accident.

It could have it's chassis no on the Left rear spring hanger as discribed in an earlier post.


cheers.

[TeZZaP]

G'day TeZZaP :)

That black plate is your vehicle's ID plate with the Chassis No on it. (should be fixed to the cabinside of the engine firewall) That Chassis No indicates that it was imported as a fully built up vehicle, and was not an Australian Production Vehile built from a CKD kit, the Chassis No 90200001A -onwards is for "RHD Export, Basic,Four Cyl Petrol" so it won't have a PMC build plate.
The Chassis No's for 88"RHD CKD vehicles is 903xxxxxxxxA onwards it would be pre 1975 as in 75 they went to VIN no's SALLB****

It may possibly have an Australian ADR plate on the front horizontal surface of the radiator support panel,it is an aluminium plate that is stamped from behind, it will have something like "this vehicle complies with ADR 27,27a,blah blah, seating cap 3, blah blah." but this was often lost/not replaced when the panel was repaired from rust/accident.

It could have it's chassis no on the Left rear spring hanger as discribed in an earlier post.


cheers.
Thanks for the info, unfortunately the original radiator surround was missing when I picked her up. So no joy there! I have had a REVs check on the Chassis/Engine# which came back clean, I have also emailed Queenslands Roads asking if a vCheck can be done with only the Chassis/Engine# for a full history of the vehicle - on the website it requires a VIN... but they have not replied to me yet.

And no visible number on the chassis - either left rear spring hanger or front right.

On a better note, I have tracked down another Series III SWB up here (FNQ); it is minus an engine and gearbox, but apart from that is (mostly) intact and actually good! The guy was restoring it before getting side tracked onto other projects (involving Series 1's and 2's).

So (hopefully) soon, I'll have 2 Series III's laying around! Between then there's bound to be one good one! :)