Good spot for 2nd spare wheel on CCCCC trip?

[Treads]

I'm trying to work out the best spot to carry an extra spare in/on Tulips Deefer for the Cape York trip next year.
We have a 3/4 length (1880mm x 1330mm) alloy roofrack; however we will be sleeping in a rooftop tent for the trip (1400mm x 1200mm). Unfortunately that means we won't be able to fit a spare on the roof with the tent up there, as there is only 680mm of room left for a spare 235/85R16 that has a diameter of 806mm.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/08/753.jpg

So now the quandry, do we:
1> Buy a full length roof rack? ($$$$$$ :( )
2> Try to find a second hand bonnet and put a bonnet mount spare on just for our big trips?
3> Mount the spare on some sort of bracket attached to the load side of the cargo barrier?
4> Some other way?

Thanks in advance for any help/advice/experiences :)

[dobbo]

From what I have been led to believe your rack (and mine) is not the ideal spot for a Roof top tent due to it sitting way up in the air and creating a lot of drag, plus most I have seen seem to be fitted to Rino rack setup.

Personally I'm getting me bonnet reinforced and bonnet mounting my 2nd spare

Ever thought about having it mounted in the back of the Defender? Like the original spot on the Panelvans

[dobbo]

Mount it directly to the roof infront of your roofrack.

[Col.Coleman]

Treads,
Don't do the bonnet thing, it cuts down your vision immensly in the tight stuff.
Is that the rack you are attatching the tent to? How is it going to fit with the side rails?
You might not not need to take one as there will be copius amounts of spare wheels all on the same stud pattern.
I would suggest a new full lenght rack with a flat section at the back for the tent and luggage at the front, Or move that rack forward, and attatch the tent to roof rails behind it.

CC

[Treads]

From what I have been led to believe your rack (and mine) is not the ideal spot for a Roof top tent due to it sitting way up in the air and creating a lot of drag,

Yeah, I wondered about that too :(


Ever thought about having it mounted in the back of the Defender? Like the original spot on the Panelvans

I thought about that, but wasn't sure if it would work in a wagon?

[disco2hse]

It's the second spare right? Why not put it on the floor, up against the middle row of seats?

[roverrescue]

What a bout a pair of roof bars ?Suparax? or whatever then put spare on that...
S

[p38arover]

I picked up a second spare in Derby for my daughter's Disco. As we didn't have a roof rack and as it's too damn dangerous (and difficult) for a slight girl to drop a wheel from the roof rack, I opted for strapping the spare to the cargo barrier.

You can buy a Y-shaped tie down strap designed for strapping wheels down (to roof racks, actually).

See Sabelt Spare Wheel Ratchet Tie-Down - $75.00 : Racer Industries, Performance Parts Retail & Wholesale (http://www.racerindustries.com/store/index.php'main_page=product_info&products_id=655)

[Treads]

It's the second spare right? Why not put it on the floor, up against the middle row of seats?

That was kinda a sub-option 3 ;) I'm building a long drawer for the back and I guess a spare could just be packed on top of that?


Treads,
Don't do the bonnet thing, it cuts down your vision immensly in the tight stuff.

That was definitely my last option, I've driven RFS 110 utes with bonnet spares and hated the restriction of vision, that's why we'd get a second bonnet just for big trips if we went down that road.


Is that the rack you are attatching the tent to? How is it going to fit with the side rails?

We were either going to get cross bars made up to support the rack at the height of the side rails, and store light long items underneath; or have the rack altered and the rails cut off either the front or back section (dependant on which way we want the tent to fold out).


You might not not need to take one as there will be copius amounts of spare wheels all on the same stud pattern.

I thought of that, but this setup needs to be good for our shakedown trips before CCCCC, and for ongoing adventures :D


What a bout a pair of roof bars ?Suparax? or whatever then put spare on that...

We thought about roof bars if we had the rack altered (after cutting off part of the side rails as above)

Cheers for the suggestions

[Tusker]

Is that a TD5 sticker? Then the genuine bonnet carrier won't fit.

I suspect corrugations will wreck the bonnet/hinges anyway. Same with sticking ot on the roof. The good thing about a roof top tent, in a funny way, is you can't overload the roof.

Is your back seat in or out? If out, what I do is stick the 2nd spare on the inside of the cargo barrier. Secure it with those mega ton straps, then put the seat belt around that.

If you position it with the wheel outside face toward the barrier, that leaves a useful cavity facing you, inside the straps/belt. It's ideal for hoses, shower hoses that sort of thing.

Regards
Max P

[Treads]

Is that a TD5 sticker? Then the genuine bonnet carrier won't fit.

No, it's a 300Tdi with real flash stickers :D


Is your back seat in or out? If out, what I do is stick the 2nd spare on the inside of the cargo barrier. Secure it with those mega ton straps, then put the seat belt around that.

If you position it with the wheel outside face toward the barrier, that leaves a useful cavity facing you, inside the straps/belt. It's ideal for hoses, shower hoses that sort of thing.

We'll have the double seats in and our fridge on a bracket/shelf in the space where the single (LHS) seat was. Oh, not to mention an excited 7yr old back there somewhere too :)

[Col.Coleman]

You will need to chop the rails, as you will probably find due to the hieght of the fender, if you attatch it to the top of the rails, when you open the tent the ladder will dangle in mid air. Mine does, I found this out at 0200 when I pulled up at Mum's a month or so ago, and had to go searching around in the dark for something to chock it with, before we could go to bed. Cheryl did not think it was as funny as I did as she had the flue and it was 2 degrees.

CC

[Outlaw]

i wonder if tied to the bullbar would work depending on how much it cuts down airflow... alternatively if go for just the tyre (no rim) strapped to the bullbar you'll have a bit of extra cushioning against roos and still get airflow ;)

[dobbo]

Save cutting and buggering about with the roof rack why not sell it and buy a rack more appropriate for your needs.

Wasn't Phoenix looking for a rack to fit a 110?

[dhard]

Is second rear wheel carrier an option? Failing that just carry a spare tyre only and stow it against cargo barrier. I don't like spares on roof personally as unless you're like me and over six foot they can be a bitch to get down without a helper to pass it to. The bonnet mount is only good if you're tall also and anything wider than 7.5r16 blocks vision too much.

[dobbo]

Is second rear wheel carrier an option? Failing that just carry a spare tyre only and stow it against cargo barrier. I don't like spares on roof personally as unless you're like me and over six foot they can be a bitch to get down without a helper to pass it to. The bonnet mount is only good if you're tall also and anything wider than 7.5r16 blocks vision too much.


Getting it down shouldn't be an issue, unless Newton was wrong. Getting the thing up there in the first place may be a tad time consuming.

[dullbird]

do you have to carry a second spare?

your on steels so why cant you just carry spare tubes.... you get a puncture just put a tube in and reinflate:)

[Treads]

You will need to chop the rails, as you will probably find due to the hieght of the fender, if you attatch it to the top of the rails, when you open the tent the ladder will dangle in mid air. Mine does, I found this out at 0200 when I pulled up at Mum's a month or so ago, and had to go searching around in the dark for something to chock it with, before we could go to bed. Cheryl did not think it was as funny as I did as she had the flue and it was 2 degrees.

I was going to get one of these: LADDER EXTENSION ROOF TOP TENT/CAMPER ROOFTOP TRAILER - eBay Other Tents, Tarps, Swags, Tents, Tarps, Swags, Camping, Hiking, Outdoors, Sport. (end time 16-Aug-08 16:33:44 AEST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LADDER-EXTENSION-ROOF-TOP-TENT-CAMPER-ROOFTOP-TRAILER_W0QQitemZ110277323377QQihZ001QQcategoryZ12 3351QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
to fix that issue ;)
BTW, Can we laugh now? :p


i wonder if tied to the bullbar would work depending on how much it cuts down airflow... alternatively if go for just the tyre (no rim) strapped to the bullbar you'll have a bit of extra cushioning against roos and still get airflow ;)

From experience having a bullbar mounted spare on a 110 is almost as annoying as a bonnet mount :o


Save cutting and buggering about with the roof rack why not sell it and buy a rack more appropriate for your needs.

I'd love to, but we're saving up for this trip as it is. There were quite a few full racks doing the rounds on ebay a while back. But of course none to be seen since the decision was made to get a rooftop tent :angel: Murphy loves me....


I don't like spares on roof personally as unless you're like me and over six foot they can be a bitch to get down without a helper to pass it to. The bonnet mount is only good if you're tall also and anything wider than 7.5r16 blocks vision too much.


Getting it down shouldn't be an issue, unless Newton was wrong. Getting the thing up there in the first place may be a tad time consuming.

I'm 6'1" and didn't have a problem this morning getting the current spare onto the roof rack (and off again) on my own. In the past I've had to change a tyre from a bonnet mount, now that was a bitch of a job! :bat: On the plus side, it was a service vehicle, not mine :angel:

[Treads]

do you have to carry a second spare?

your on steels so why cant you just carry spare tubes.... you get a puncture just put a tube in and reinflate:)

It'll be on Disco steels in a little while, we're ditching the defender wheels

[p38arover]

Getting it down shouldn't be an issue, unless Newton was wrong. Getting the thing up there in the first place may be a tad time consuming.

Getting it down isn't an issue. Getting it down safely is. You have to lower it on a rope. Dunno if any of you have ever dropped an inflated wheel from that height but it will bounce back nearly as high and often in an unintended direction. It is dangerous.

[Treads]

Getting it down isn't an issue. Getting it down safely is. You have to lower it on a rope. Dunno if any of you have ever dropped an inflated wheel from that height but it will bounce back nearly as high and often in an unintended direction. It is dangerous.

With my Disco parked within a few metres today, I elected to park it on the edge of the railing, and then lift it down gently :angel:

[dullbird]

It'll be on Disco steels in a little while, we're ditching the defender wheels


even so cant you run tubes in disco rims?

2 or 3 tubes takes up a hell of a lot less space/weight than a second wheel

this is what we orginally were going to do with our defender until we were informed that we would be very lucky to break the bead on an alloy in the bush let alone reseat it....apparently they are notorously hard:(....and even some tyre shops have a hard time with it

[dhard]

Getting it down isn't an issue. Getting it down safely is. You have to lower it on a rope. Dunno if any of you have ever dropped an inflated wheel from that height but it will bounce back nearly as high and often in an unintended direction. It is dangerous.exactly! Murphy's law also in my case would dictate that it would travel off the side of the cliff and end up god knows where. dobbo unless you carry a ladder around getting it down by yourself or up can be awkward as it is both heavy and not the ideal shape to carry. Throwing down is an option as long as lands right if it lands wrong it could end up anywhere.

[Treads]

even so cant you run tubes in disco rims?

2 or 3 tubes takes up a hell of a lot less space/weight than a second wheel

this is what we orginally were going to do with our defender until we were informed that we would be very lucky to break the bead on an alloy in the bush let alone reseat it....apparently they are notorously hard:(....and even some tyre shops have a hard time with it

I'm sure you can run tubes; however I'd heard it was hard enough breaking the bead on Disco steel wheels, let alone Defender ones ;) I actually thought it would just be easier (read lazier if you like :angel: ) to just carry a second spare and a tyre repair kit since I've already got an onboard compressor.

[Col.Coleman]

Here in lies the reason I changed mine over to tubeless rims. Plug, reinflate and away.
I also carry 3 full spares.
Gotta love a 130.

CC

[dobbo]

dobbo unless you carry a ladder around getting it down by yourself or up can be awkward as it is both heavy and not the ideal shape to carry. Throwing down is an option as long as lands right if it lands wrong it could end up anywhere.

Wherever the County goes, so does the ladder bolted to the back of it.

I totally agree though removal of a rimmed tyre from a roof rack is definately not a one person job.

[dhard]

Awesome idea with steel rims as an emegency stop gap. Only problem being if the hole is toobig the tube would be protruding and exposed too damage. In an emergency if the hole is too big to be plugged i sounds good to me. You'd have to be mighty unlucky to get two punctures you couldn't repair with modern tyre technology strengthing the tyres so much.(unless you own a d3 and have goodyear road tyres on that seem to be made of cheese in the sidewall)

[dhard]

Here in lies the reason I changed mine over to tubeless rims. Plug, reinflate and away.
I also carry 3 full spares.
Gotta love a 130.

CCJudging from last weeks trip you only need three wheels as the other is in the air half the time.:D Best footage of a 130 offroad i've seen.:BigThumb:

[Reads90]

I would just lye it down in the back and tyhey put stuff inside it. I put my recovery stuff in the middle so no area to waste
Sort of like this, But the rim the other way up so you can put stuff in it

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/1136.jpg

[JohnF]

At a recent field day at the Lismore Rural Fire Service headquarters, I saw a Land Rover defender or series LR with a spare mounted vertically on the Front bulbar--just a thought.

[Treads]

At a recent field day at the Lismore Rural Fire Service headquarters, I saw a Land Rover defender or series LR with a spare mounted vertically on the Front bulbar--just a thought.

Yeah we've got a couple set up like that in our zone too. They block a lot of vision though (and I reckon quite a bit of airflow?)

[XSiV]

What about building yourself a rear wheel carrier that can take two wheels. There was an article in 4wd monthly recently where they built a rear bar with a wheel carrier for the project rangie.

[weeds]

So now the quandry, do we:
1> Buy a full length roof rack? ($$$$$$ :( )
this is what i have and i carried a second spare on it for my simpson trip....getting if up and down was no major issue, i also had two jerries of diesel and one jerry of water
2> Try to find a second hand bonnet and put a bonnet mount spare on just for our big trips?
we could swap bonnets for the trip if you like, yes bonnet mounts are a little ennoying but you get to live with it
3> Mount the spare on some sort of bracket attached to the load side of the cargo barrier?
nah....means you have to unpack the car just to get the spare out
4> Some other way?
something like what Psimpson7 done for his trip. somebody on the forum has there roof top tent right up the front, it folds out over the bonnet and the ladder rested on the bullbar, this allows bar att he reat to hold a spare, save climbing over the folded tent to get at it
5> dual wheel carrier
Foz in OZ has one he got made up, he also has drawings....

Thanks in advance for any help/advice/experiences :)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/08/749.jpg

[JamesH]

I'm afraid I am a lazy type and will carry two spares when going bush just so I can whack them on as necessary and then drop them off at the next town and have them repaired. A holiday is precisely that. Tyre repair stuff is for your third and fourth flat.

I've even semi-growled at people in another Defender, who after their 2nd flat (he's just unlucky in that respect) got the gear out to patch the tube, along the lines of "Here use one of my spares and let's get moving, we can still make Kunnunurra before Happy Hour ends. And we can get it repaired by some bloke while we have a long breakfast"

I have a bonnet mount on my car and it does restrict vision but not to any extent that a stretch and a lean when sort out when rock hopping through really rough stuff. Knock on wood, 1000's of km of corrugations have not stuffed the bonnet yet. Another negative is i think it does slightly increas fuel consumption. But I like the bonnet mount and think it has had too bad a wrap on this thread.

I stow the 2nd tyre in the back (don't trust the standard door fitting, never have, those fittings are long gone) and this is the tyre that's a pia for me. It is not neatly stowed like Reads', it just sits in the back with the recorvery box sitting on it and perhaps another box both of which have been known to fall off on rough tracks and spill contents.:twisted:

For me the ideal solution would be a Bearmach type carrier which opens with the rear door for one and the bonnet mount for the other. That or get the in car stowage properly sorted like Reads has done. I just haven't got round to opening the wallet to get one. There's always some other bill to be paid.

Oh and standard steel rims and 7.5R16 tyres have always worked fine for me. I don't do a lot of mud plugging though, just dry rough roads and tracks

[isuzu110]

Did the lap of Oz (including the cape) in 2001 with my County.

Took one spare, but didn't like the rear door carrier so welded up a frame that sat in the rear space behind the cargo barrier and held the spare vertical.

It mounted via tabs under the middle bench seat restraint bolts.

I still have the frame and see no reason why it would not fit a later model.

You are welcome to borrow it for your trip if you pass Brisbane.

I never had a flat on that tripo so never needed to get the tyre out.

[Bushie]

The need for a second spare is a bit dependant on where you are going, do you have a bead breaker? if so you could consider just carrying a second tyre carcase without the rim, as well as a couple of tubes, in case plugging doesn't work

The Numpties did that on our Madigan trip - they were also the only ones unfortunate enough to destroy a tyre.

One of the other guys carried his spare on a bonnet mount (750R16) I had one on a rear carrier and the other on the roof rack, as in previous desert trips. As others have said getting them up/down isn't the easiest but is easier IF you have a roof monkey (17yo son is a good substitute).

Personally in your situation I'd be looking at a pair of good quality roof bars towards the front and get the spare onto that. Fingers crossed that you don't need it.

The other option if there are other landies in the group is to share the spares that way you could maybe get away without taking the second one.

Martyn

[Tusker]

This is worth a repost, food for thought:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/shopping-trolley/53685-td5-bonnet-mounted-spare.html?highlight=spare+wheel+bonnet

Regards
Max P

[Blknight.aus]

if you dont already have a draw system, and your running 7.5r16 or similar then lay the tyre down in the back and push it up to the barrier (tie a rope through it first and leave the end hanging out)
put the highlift or jack in with it along side it and chuck your recovery bag behind it... now measure up and make up a floor plate to go over all of that...

once the floor plate is in (last one I did used 13mm ply) dunnage out the back end with bags of rags, jumper leads and anything else thats heavy.

[yt110]

Ever thought about having it mounted in the back of the Defender? Like the original spot on the Panelvans[/QUOTE]

I have done this in the RH side of my county,7.50X16 on STD.rim fits,I think a 235/85X16 on disco rim may be too wide to fit in the base,on full upwards travel the RH rear road wheel only just touches the base plate.It solved my problem of where to carry my second spare.

[Jeff]

I thought of doing what yt110 did, making a dish in the side box like the hardtop for the spare as I didnt like the door mount. I could do both sides. I ended up buying a Kaymar tyre carrier and have not needed the second spare yet. I could still do it and carry three spares. I would get the local aluminium business to build them.

The fear I had of bending the door with the tyre was illustrated the other day when I saw a Defender with a bent door and original tyre mount. It would only take a small tap.

Jeff

:rocket:

[dmdigital]

I'd pretty much go with Dave and Reads suggestions - if you don't have a draw system. Lie the wheel flat in the centre well, fill with gear (I usually put spares parts in there) and put a board over the top to level it out.

[Disco44]

I would opt for carrying the wheel up against the front seats and ( if able ) with the rear seats out.The bonnet carrying cuts down your vision and with it on makes lifting the bonnet heavy.I have carried them on the roof rack but on the trip you are making everything has to be very very secure because os the road conditions which 95% of the time are woeful .Carrying it in the rear takes up room which should be used for your fridge as it is easy to go for that daily drive to recharge the required batteries to run it.The trip is a great one but boy its great to get back to the bitumen at Laura and the end of it.If you are in convoy take the old telegraph track where you can its worth it believe.
Have a great trip
Disco 44

[George130]

I have dual wheel carriers comming for the back. Still have to make the bar to mount them on and fit the rear winch.

[justinc]

Hold on just a cotton pickin minute!

Isn't Dave coming along as support vehicle / mech etc?

This problem can be easily solved by getting him to bring along a 130 single cab trayback ute, and everyone put their second spares on IT with their names clearly marked in crayon.

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p


(Wish I was going too:(:(:()



On a serious note, any spare inside the vehicle will need to be VERY well tied down. I would even check the cargo barrier for compliance as the weight of some of these rims and 12 ply tyres can be a fair bit.

JC

[p38arover]

and everyone put their second spares on IT with their names clearly marked in crayon.

That's all that some can write with while others are not allowed sharp writing implements.

:wasntme:

[George130]

That's all that some can write with while others are not allowed sharp writing implements.

:wasntme:

:D:D
I resemble that remark.