Td5 Chipping advice etc.

[Freosmiths]

Hi all, first post and hopefully about to purchase a 2005 Td5 Defender....no doubt I will be looking for assistance and advice at some point!

Wanna start by getting my head around the ECU upgrades. Any advice on best option for the Td5 and whether an upgraded intercooler is of significant benefit on top of that?

Also if anyone has a gas injection fitted in conjunction with upgraded ECU I would be interested in your comments.

and what benefits from changing the "EGR" set-up ?

Cheers

[Yorkshire_Jon]

ecu remap is definitely the way forward. The two other things to do is put an egr bypass kit on it and remove the front exhaust pipe (will have a CAT in it) and replace with a straight through pipe.

[Blknight.aus]

chippings great contact tombie...

removing the EGR prevents it from fouling open and constantly recirculating exhaust gasses which robs you of power and economy.

[Mudnut]

I have Tombraider's ECU remapping in mine, and still love it. Have had it for 2 1/2 years now. Have not bothered with any other upgrade, as I don't want to race my defender, and it has all the power I need. I got the Discovery upgrade witch comes to about 120-130 kw vs the 89 that it comes standard with. He can re map it to 170, but I was worried about wear and tear on the engine. Fully loaded with roof racks, am getting about 11l per 100k, which I feel is good for a car with the aerodynamics of a brick.
Good luck in your purchase.

Ken

[TD5_Fender]

I only had mine for 2 weeks before i got it chipped and it is the cheapest upgrade u can do for the big power and torque increase.

It is well worth doing the exhaust and intercooler later on if u are not affraid to spend some more money.

Triumph Rover Spares have the best looking intercooler that i have found so far in Australia as it has fully welded tanks and a very good core in it
Intercoolers for Defender / Discovery - Upgrades - Triumph Rover Spares South Australia (http://www.triumphroverspares.com.au/page.asp?parentid=3&productid=2)

The only down side is when u get more power u want another gear on the highway but hey that is where a discovery transfer case comes in :D

Cheers Shane

[George130]

Chipping can help with economy as long as you don't stick the boot in.
Mine has upgraded intercooler, 3 inch exhaust and an ECU upgrade. It's putting out stupidly big numbers. I know of at least one rig that was built to put out more power than mine but the guy who own's it built his specificaly for more power, He took his to the bloke who did mine and simply stated he had to have more power than my rig!

[Lionel]

chippings great contact tombie...

removing the EGR prevents it from fouling open and constantly recirculating exhaust gasses which robs you of power and economy.

The EGR must be there for a reason? Why would they spend money on it otherwise.

What does it do?

Cheers,

Lionel

[scarry]

The EGR must be there for a reason? Why would they spend money on it otherwise.

What does it do?

Cheers,

Lionel

its to do with emision regulations...,it allows exhaust gas into the inlet manifold,not real good for the engine,or as blk said economy or power

many guys replace it with a blank off kit

[Lionel]

its to do with emision regulations...,it allows exhaust gas into the inlet manifold,not real good for the engine,or as blk said economy or power

many guys replace it with a blank off kit

I suppose it depends on your attitude to emissions. It's surely in everyone's best interests to keep them to a minimum?

Cheers,

Lionel

[scarry]

I suppose it depends on your attitude to emissions. It's surely in everyone's best interests to keep them to a minimum?

Cheers,

Lionel

true......but i think the egr fails,and it is easier to blank it off than replace it .i have left mine as is as it is ok.

in real terms with or without,probably makes very little difference to emissions as i think it only operates at certain revs.,at certain times.

and every one likes to give ther engines more economy,power&longitivity......





hope this helps

[Blknight.aus]

The EGR must be there for a reason? Why would they spend money on it otherwise.

What does it do?

Cheers,

Lionel

as already mentioned it reduces emissions, in particular, oxides of nitrogen.

It does this by allowing some exhaust gasses into the air inlet tract on overrun and under certain light load conditions which lowers the combustion temperature to below that required for the oxides of nitrogen to form.

Great for the environment and it costs you nothing in terms of fuel effeciency power or engine longevity while its working properly.

once its no longer working properly it can stick open robbing you of power and introducing bulk quantities of soot into the engine. Combine that soot with a little oil that comes from the engine crankcase ventilation system and all of a sudden youve got fresh valve grinding paste making it into the engine. When was the last time you heard of an engine manufacturer reccomending that?...

theres a handfull of options for getting around it.

1. clean it up, thats what I did to mine the first time.
2. blank up the controls, thats just a case of pulling off and blanking off the vac lines and gives you the excuse of "dunno officer the mechanic must have done it when I took it to him complaining of rough idling"
3. blank of the exhaust line as well, as they can still leak a little by not quite closing up over time
4. remove it (I did)

the later ones also have a butterfly valve that closes off the intake manifold and increasing the intake of the exhaust gasses and removing that one gives you a little more engine braking capability.

[Freosmiths]

Great help all round fellas...thanks

Done the deal on the defender so first up will book it in for a few minor jobs and an ECU upgrade at least !

Anyone had any experience with the TRS ECU's ?

[Tombie]

I only had mine for 2 weeks before i got it chipped and it is the cheapest upgrade u can do for the big power and torque increase.

It is well worth doing the exhaust and intercooler later on if u are not affraid to spend some more money.

Triumph Rover Spares have the best looking intercooler that i have found so far in Australia as it has fully welded tanks and a very good core in it
Intercoolers for Defender / Discovery - Upgrades - Triumph Rover Spares South Australia (http://www.triumphroverspares.com.au/page.asp?parentid=3&productid=2)

The only down side is when u get more power u want another gear on the highway but hey that is where a discovery transfer case comes in :D

Cheers Shane

The TRS intercooler is made from my original jig work... :cool:

[Tombie]

I suppose it depends on your attitude to emissions. It's surely in everyone's best interests to keep them to a minimum?

Cheers,

Lionel

Considering a properly chipped TD5 will still pass emissions testing without EGR its not a real issue ;)

I'd be more concerned with any petrol vehicle over 50,000km in age with a now defunct Cat converter and Vapour recovery (Charcoal canister)...
These items should be checked but never are!!!

Off Topic - Ever noticed the correlation between cancer incidence rate increases and the year 1985.....Do some research.... Its an eye opener!

AND PLEASE PEOPLE, Dont be sheep and follow the 'party line' on Carbon emissions...

Vehicles account for 8% of all emissions in Australia. Cattle are one of the worst...

Carbon trading isnt going to reduce this, just make users PAY FOR IT...

So either eat fruit and berries, or understand, that Earth will warm up, its part of the natural cycle....

And one day again, it'll have another ice age too....
Then what? Lets have a "Raise Carbon Emissions scheme"??? :angel:

[Tombie]

Great help all round fellas...thanks

Done the deal on the defender so first up will book it in for a few minor jobs and an ECU upgrade at least !

Anyone had any experience with the TRS ECU's ?

You may want to update your profile!!

Where are you located?

[Tombie]

The TRS intercooler is made from my original jig work... :cool:

Blknight.aus Has the original prototype unit sitting at his place now!

Discowhite runs my IC.....


Unless you feel the urge to run a large mapping intercooler upgrades are good to have but not necessary...

But they dont hurt!!!

[Slunnie]

Off Topic - Ever noticed the correlation between cancer incidence rate increases and the year 1985.....Do some research.... Its an eye opener!

In NSW:
1972 11554 with cancer, 61.5 mean age, 1/5 incidence by 75yo, 1/8 mortality by 75yo.
1985 18421 with cancer, 63.5 mean age, 1/4 incidence by 75yo. 1/7 mortality by 75yo.
2004 34187 with cancer, 66.1 mean age, 1/3 incidence by 75yo, 1/9 mortality by 75yo.

http://www.cancerinstitute.org.au/cancer_inst/statistics/xls/2007-12-20_all-cancers.xls

Interestingly, my chem lecturer at uni was saying that the introduction of unleaded was a problem due to the level of known carstenogens that are produced, and that they travel to low points in the terrain and just sit. He also commented that lead just burnt and fell out of the exhaust.

I also tend to think that modern plastics, chemicals and microwaves are contributors also.

[Tombie]

In NSW:
1972 11554 with cancer, 61.5 mean age, 1/5 incidence by 75yo, 1/8 mortality by 75yo.
1985 18421 with cancer, 63.5 mean age, 1/4 incidence by 75yo. 1/7 mortality by 75yo.
2004 34187 with cancer, 66.1 mean age, 1/3 incidence by 75yo, 1/9 mortality by 75yo.

http://www.cancerinstitute.org.au/cancer_inst/statistics/xls/2007-12-20_all-cancers.xls

Interestingly, my chem lecturer at uni was saying that the introduction of unleaded was a problem due to the level of known carstenogens that are produced, and that they travel to low points in the terrain and just sit. He also commented that lead just burnt and fell out of the exhaust.

I also tend to think that modern plastics, chemicals and microwaves are contributors also.

See your heading in the right direction with your thinking!!!!!

[Freosmiths]

Hey Tombie...just getting up to speed with this chatting business...Perth actually. I will have a look at my profile as you suggest...cheers

[Tombie]

Hey Tombie...just getting up to speed with this chatting business...Perth actually. I will have a look at my profile as you suggest...cheers

Cool...

Now as to making your Defender go better...

1. Remove ECU
2. Package up
3. Express freight it to me
4. Wait impatiently with anticipation
5. Drop me some $$$
6. Open parcel with glee
7. Install ECU
8. Drive
9. Try to wipe silly smile off face...

:cool:

[discowhite]

Now as to making your Defender go better...

1. Remove ECU, done
2. Package up, done
3. Express freight it to me,done
4. Wait impatiently with anticipation,done
5. Drop me some $$$,done,
6. Open parcel with glee,done
7. Install ECU,done
8. Drive,done
9. Try to wipe silly smile off face..., having trouble with this bit....still....:eek:

cheers phil

[harlie]

I'm having trouble with point #9 too! :D

[Basil135]

Cool...

Now as to making your Defender go better...

1. Remove ECU
2. Package up
3. Express freight it to me
4. Wait impatiently with anticipation
5. Drop me some $$$
6. Open parcel with glee
7. Install ECU
8. Drive
9. Try to wipe silly smile off face...

:cool:

Could You, oh great master of all things chipped, please elaborate further on point 5, and the period between point 4 & 6.

For those of us that can only aspire to be one in the greatness of thee...

[Freosmiths]

Could You, oh great master of all things chipped, please elaborate further on point 5, and the period between point 4 & 6.

For those of us that can only aspire to be one in the greatness of thee...

Likewise Tombie timeframe could be an issue as it is the "other half's" bus !

[Tombie]

Could You, oh great master of all things chipped, please elaborate further on point 5, and the period between point 4 & 6.

For those of us that can only aspire to be one in the greatness of thee...

4-6 can be shortened considerably considering you're in Adelaide!
I'll be down there later this month... Usually using freight its 2-4 days...

5 is the AULRO member price of $440.00

[Wortho]

Off Topic - Ever noticed the correlation between cancer incidence rate increases and the year 1985.....Do some research.... Its an eye opener!



It's because they replaced lead with Benzine which is one of the most carcinagenic things going. A study actually showed that people in the highlands of New Guinea had higher blood lead levels than those living in central Melbourne due to the cans that their food was in. there is heaps more about it but thats for another time.

[mos]

9. Try to wipe silly smile off face...


This is misleading and is realistically not going to happen…:angel:

Perhaps this should read “Drive with silly smile on face and accept the fact that this is your new look whilst driving…. :cool: Occasionally wondering why you didn’t re-chip sooner. :D:D:D

MOS

[gruntfuttock]

It's because they replaced lead with Benzine which is one of the most carcinagenic things going. A study actually showed that people in the highlands of New Guinea had higher blood lead levels than those living in central Melbourne due to the cans that their food was in. there is heaps more about it but thats for another time.

Just be careful of when people say "benzine" is used because there are two different types of "benzine"

Benzine and

Benzene

These two are very very very often mixed up. one has nothing to do with the other.

Benzene is basically a very close brother of shellite.

I have seen companies label things incorrectly just because some one who typed things up hit the wrong button or thought the two were the same.

You may be very correct in what you say, all I am saying is that the information may have become mixed up and as such one should look at it with a critical eye.

Is there more cancer around or is it that we can detect more types more eaisly?