Look what followed me home, can I keep it......

[Mick-Kelly]

Well the secrets out :p i am the proud new custodian of a 49/50 model 80 inch. Went up today for the great saga of picking it up from drumcounsellor in Bundy. Forgot that getting home would take twice as long as getting up there :(. When i arrived back here i hooked up a battery and threw a few litres of fuel in and topped up the water. Turn of the key and push the button and she barked into life. Only got to back her off the trailer though before i stalled it and the battery was flat.:mad::mad::mad: She is spending tonight out the front before i can get a good look over her in the daylight. I think the neighbours might be a bit more forgiving of my starting attempts during daylight hours as well.
Oh BTW managed to destroy a pair of jeans and cut my foot open in the process............its been a long day. :angel:
But i have an 80 inch now :p:p:p:p:p:p:p to keep the lightweight company.
This is a piccy of her from the add.

[Sleepy]

Looks pretty straight Mick, enjoy.
Remember lots of pics please!

[Shonky]

Ahh you got that one!

Good stuff! :D

LOTS of pics of course. :)

[Mick-Kelly]

I've had a quick perusal in the dark while tucking her in for the night.
Amazingly complete down to the D lights :p. Looks like a little metal cancer in the drivers foot well (size of a couple of 50 cent pieces) center cross member has got a bit as well. Have to sort out a legitimate carby as it has a stromberg on it now. Also need the proper lights through grill, grill. Needs a few dents straightened and the original paint is cactus. Daylight hours for the rest.
Lots of photos to come. :)

[olmate]

Well done Mick. :D

[awabbit6]

Congratulations Mick. I was hoping it would still be available when we go to Bundy over Christmas. I was keen to have a look at it.

Good to see it go to a good home!

Paul

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Good one Mick

Does it have any distributor identity tags. If Grenville Motors send me the chassis number and I may be able to find a little of it's original history.

Diana

[series1buff]

Good one Mick

Does it have any distributor identity tags. Diana

The round things with 5 high tension leads ? Yes there were/are 3 different types, you need the tag to I.D. them.

Sorry, its the water down here .

[Mick-Kelly]

Still waiting for camera battery to charge
In the mean time here is the want / need list so far

- ring pull for 4WD reverse selection
- Front bumper
- head light chrome surrounds
- original carby
- original oil bath air filter
- side lights for bulkhead
- drivers side floor panel.
- original lucas distributor cap
- original brake master cylinder

I think i have everything else in the spare parts collection.

[Mick-Kelly]

Well here are some piccys. Took the top off last night and it and the door tops are out in the shed. Here she is in her summer days splendor. You can see the bulkhead rust in two of th photos. Under the windscreen frame and in the footwell.

[Mick-Kelly]

And some engine bay shots. Her front panel (headlights) is aluminum and therefore in perfect nick. I believe its off a later model. Has the wrong grill as well.
Diana couldnt find any markings or plates from the distributor, nothing from Grenville.
Some bright spark has drilled holes all along both front wheel guards probably to put flares on it at some point.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Mick

Sounds like some work for the TIG welder on the mudguards. I wonder if someone had 15" rims on it at some time????

As you knew the grill and mesh are the wrong one for the 1949/50.

Fred Lomas at Fabristeel Engineering (NSW) make replica bumpers if you want one. The Numpties have one for Leon. The 1949 are a little cheaper as they don't have the boxing or the brackets.

I like the air-conditioning for the passenger! :D Will you supply them goggles?

Should come up nicely.

Diana

[Mick-Kelly]

Few
Got her tucked away now after lots of swearing, sweating and pushing. She wasnt as keen to start this morning. Wanted to but just wouldnt get there. A fully charged battery was only getting about half a dozen goes before she wouldnt turn anymore :confused::confused: i also noticed a loud ticking when the key was turned (fuel pump ???) whatever is going on though shes in the garage now and i can start prioritising work.
Elsa is still going to get the most attention though because she is 80% of the way there.
Have to find a name for the new little one but that is the wifes resposibility this one is hers to name.
I think the first work with it will be wheels off and brakes and bearings done. After that who knows. I guess i'll just follow my nose.

[Mick-Kelly]

Oh BTW got to do something i've always wanted to do. Fix a broken exhaust with two coke cans and some wire :clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:
surprisingly effective though. :p

[Mick-Kelly]

Diana
Quick question
I was under the impression that the new 80 inch would have the 7 inch lights with the holes through the grill. From some reading today it may be that it originally had the 5 inch tractor lights behind the grill. It is car number 06101688 and has the wide transom plus the remains of the sprung seat mounts and the ring pull transfer case. Can you let me know what parts i should be looking for, Holes through grill or lights behind grill.
cheers
Mick

[Col.Coleman]

Welcome to the club.

That's the type I really want.

Boy we are getting some in SEQ now.

Should have a good convoy on 2010 to Alice:D

CC

[Mick-Kelly]

Welcome to the club.

That's the type I really want.

Boy we are getting some in SEQ now.

Should have a good convoy on 2010 to Alice:D

CC

Race ya to see who gets one on the road first :p:p:p

[back_in]

Mick Kelly
if it is a ring pull
it is a through the grill 5 inch lights
I could be wrong(happens only once a blue moon)
its a 49 the car
someone was played around with it some time ago
the engine should be R866....
the engine no. you mention is a 50
if it is a 49 there was only about 3000 of them
ring pulls only a/c for 1/2 of that number
Diana may tell you to put a Holden engine in it
only kidding Diana
put it back the way it was!!!
do not stuff up a icon
do what i have and put them back to as they were
if you need help I have a lot of bits that may help
cheers
Ian

[Mick-Kelly]

Thanks Ian
Yep i've taken it over from another forum member. It is car number 06101688 and it currently has a 2 litre engine from a 55 model fitted. It is engine number 57101979. I am looking for the correct grill and light arrangement at the moment and for the sidelights on the bulkhead. If you have any sources for these can you let me know.
She will be restored to a good condition and will actually be used :). I dont intend her to be a garaged show pony but she will be limited to Sunday afternoon style drives / jaunts. :p

[Rangier Rover]

I thought Ring pull was dropped in early 49 before wide front springs and late head lights.:confused: I have a 49 and 50 here and no Ring pull. The 48 we had here did though but is gone:(
That is a good project you have there.
Cheers Tony

[Mick-Kelly]

Interesting project anyway..... still trying to figure what year she is :D:D:D definitely has the ring pull (missing ring) down to the depression formed in the floor for the ring. At the moment its a wire pull. Can anyone give me the relative measurements of the narrow versus wide springs so i can check. It got the wide transom and the remains of sprung seat mounts. It is somewhere between a 49 and 50 model but there were so many variations within. :confused::confused::confused:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Interesting project anyway..... still trying to figure what year she is :D:D:D definitely has the ring pull (missing ring) down to the depression formed in the floor for the ring. At the moment its a wire pull. Can anyone give me the relative measurements of the narrow versus wide springs so i can check. It got the wide transom and the remains of sprung seat mounts. It is somewhere between a 49 and 50 model but there were so many variations within. :confused::confused::confused:
Mick

It is a fishplate chassis car, and so long as it has not had the fishplates added it can only be a 1948, 1949 or 1950 model. To have the ring pull it should be no later than 1950 model #3884
Don't worry about the wide springs they only happened at 1950 model #13530.Your Car ID plate should be in the engine bay on the LHS of the firewall.

The chassis number is stamped on the flat top of the LHS engine mount, and can be read from leaning over the mudguard.
1948 models are 860001 through 863000
1949 models are 8663001 through 8667920
1950 models are 06100001 through way past your vehicle.N.B. lots of the fishplate chassis 1950 models were actually built in 1949.

Hope this helps.

Diana


I thought Ring pull was dropped in early 49 before wide front springs and late head lights.:confused: I have a 49 and 50 here and no Ring pull. The 48 we had here did though but is gone:(
That is a good project you have there.
Cheers Tony
Tony it can get confusing at times.

One of the problems is that the parts can be so easily swapped and lots of owners wanted the headlights that you could see at night with, so they swapped them for the later grill. The ring pull was replaced with a yellow button in mid 1950 at vehicle 06103885 - still a freewheel unit though.
the headlights (and grill panel) changed from the Butler 5" to the Lucas 7" at 1950 vehicle 06111547
The narrow front springs with the shackles to the front changed to the wide springs with shackles at the rear in late 1950 vehicle 06113530The Grenville Motors books even list a vehicle well past the change to 7" headlights as having the lights behind the grill panel.

[Rangier Rover]

Interesting project anyway..... still trying to figure what year she is :D:D:D definitely has the ring pull (missing ring) down to the depression formed in the floor for the ring. At the moment its a wire pull. Can anyone give me the relative measurements of the narrow versus wide springs so i can check. It got the wide transom and the remains of sprung seat mounts. It is somewhere between a 49 and 50 model but there were so many variations within. :confused::confused::confused:

Are the shakles on forward side of front springs? On my 80" Rear are narrow.
On the 49 front same but foward shackle set up. On my 50 Still has Narrow rear but wide front with rearward shackle setup. The 49 had tractor type head lamps. Also seats are different. 50 has fold down backrest .49 has fixed backrest. Hope this helps I can give you measurement if needed.
Tony

[Mick-Kelly]

Thanks Diana
So as vehicle 06101688 mine should have the full grill with the 5 inch headlights behind the grill. :D:D
same as this one
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/11/908.jpg

cheers
Mick


Mick

It is a fishplate chassis car, and so long as it has not had the fishplates added it can only be a 1948, 1949 or 1950 model.
To have the ring pull it should be no later than 1950 model #3884
Don't worry about the wide springs they only happened at 1950 model #13530.Your Car ID plate should be in the engine bay on the LHS of the firewall.

The chassis number is stamped on the flat top of the LHS engine mount, and can be read from leaning over the mudguard.
1948 models are 860001 through 863000
1949 models are 8663001 through 8667920
1950 models are 06100001 through way past your vehicle.N.B. lots of the fishplate chassis 1950 models were actually built in 1949.

Hope this helps.

Diana


Tony it can get confusing at times.

One of the problems is that the parts can be so easily swapped and lots of owners wanted the headlights that you could see at night with, so they swapped them for the later grill.
The ring pull was replaced with a yellow button in mid 1950 at vehicle 06103885 - still a freewheel unit though.
the headlights (and grill panel) changed from the Butler 5" to the Lucas 7" at 1950 vehicle 06111547
The narrow front springs with the shackles to the front changed to the wide springs with shackles at the rear in late 1950 vehicle 06113530The Grenville Motors books even list a vehicle well past the change to 7" headlights as having the lights behind the grill panel.

[Rangier Rover]

Mick

It is a fishplate chassis car, and so long as it has not had the fishplates added it can only be a 1948, 1949 or 1950 model. To have the ring pull it should be no later than 1950 model #3884
Don't worry about the wide springs they only happened at 1950 model #13530.Your Car ID plate should be in the engine bay on the LHS of the firewall.

The chassis number is stamped on the flat top of the LHS engine mount, and can be read from leaning over the mudguard.
1948 models are 860001 through 863000
1949 models are 8663001 through 8667920
1950 models are 06100001 through way past your vehicle.N.B. lots of the fishplate chassis 1950 models were actually built in 1949.

Hope this helps.

Diana


Tony it can get confusing at times.

One of the problems is that the parts can be so easily swapped and lots of owners wanted the headlights that you could see at night with, so they swapped them for the later grill. The ring pull was replaced with a yellow button in mid 1950 at vehicle 06103885 - still a freewheel unit though.
the headlights (and grill panel) changed from the Butler 5" to the Lucas 7" at 1950 vehicle 06111547
The narrow front springs with the shackles to the front changed to the wide springs with shackles at the rear in late 1950 vehicle 06113530The Grenville Motors books even list a vehicle well past the change to 7" headlights as having the lights behind the grill panel.

Confusing all right:eek:. I know the narrow spring one came here in 49 as was puchsed the same year my Great grand father passed away. All documented. They even traded the 48 Ring pull as was getting water in the gear box. No roads here at that time so had to swim creeks etc. The 49 hasn't got over run tranfer set up:confused: AFAIK has original running gear other than GMH engine:( I'll get the chassis number off it and check.

Tony

[Rangier Rover]

Thanks Diana
So as vehicle 06101688 mine should have the full grill with the 5 inch headlights behind the grill. :D:D
same as this one
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/11/908.jpg

cheers
Mick That is how my older one should look. I like the old lamps even if dull.

[RobHay]

Nice pick up Mick....you sure gonna have ya hands full:D

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks Diana
So as vehicle 06101688 mine should have the full grill with the 5 inch headlights behind the grill. :D:D
same as this one
cheers
Mick
Yep the same as the one in the pic. If you cant find original 5" Lamps, try KB Classic Parts in QLD, Or Classic and Vintage Bulbs in Adelaide. Barring that, grey Fergy tractor headlamps.


... The 49 hasn't got over run tranfer set up:confused: AFAIK has original running gear other than GMH engine:( I'll get the chassis number off it and check.
Tony
The selectable 2wd/4wd system didn't arrive on Land Rover until about 2500 RHD 1951 vehicles had been built. If the original ID tags are still on the vehicle, the first ones to have the Car Number stamp and the Transfer box instructions incorporated into one plate near the steering wheel were the first ones to NOT HAVE the freewheel unit. All the previous ones had the car number ID tag in the engine bay and the transfer box instructions near the steering wheel. Even if the plates are gone you can still identify the holes.

The thing that confuses lots of people is the yellow button/freewheel units built in the latter half of 1950 model and very early 1951 model.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

There are 5 types of Series 1 Bumpers. The 1948 type that is painted and not galvanised, has the crank bracket fully seam welded, no boxing in the back and fits the chassis with the fishplates.
The 1949 early 1950 type that is galvanised, has the crank bracket spot welded, no boxing in the back and fits the chassis with the fishplates.
The late 1950 through 1953 type, has the crank bracket welded at each end, no boxing in the back and has the top and bottom brackets for attaching to the chassis.
The 1954 through early 1956 (86" & 107") type that is the same as the late 1950 type but, has boxing in the back.
The late 1956 through 1958 (88" & 109")type same as the 86" & 107" but the bottom attaching bracket is narrower to fit between the spring hanger plates.

Fred was both aware of the issue with Leon and was awaiting something from from NM.

It has been the only issue with over a dozen sold, mostly to Victoria.

[Mick-Kelly]

fantastic amount of information here. I have learnt heaps over the lst two days. Very big thanks to Diana and Numpties Missus. Sometimes the thanks button just doesnt cut it. This is what these forums are all about.

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[Mick-Kelly]

No it didnt have seats. I was hoping the old ones i took out of Elsa would be right but they are the later fold down backs hmmmm........ Haven't really thought about seats yet. I guess i could easily use the old bases i have. As to the sprung backs well i dont know what i am going to do there. Have you guys had any plans for what yo are doing for seats with your 80.

[Mick-Kelly]

Hopefully the move South isnt too close, we need you guys up here to keep the Southerners honest. :p

[Mick-Kelly]

Well ive done some research using this site
http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=24

which has revealed my 80 inch (car no. 06101688) was dispatched from the factory between the end of August to the beginning of November 1949.
Mine has the fishtail bumper mounts, early voltage regulator, early drawbar and riveted gear leaver cover. So its a 1950 model probably dispatched around September 1949. I think Diana was right on the money with that one.
Still cant sus out what colour she would have been (light or dark), original is long gone. Slowly continuing the strip down and still trying to get the steering wheel off.

[260AC]

Well ive done some research using this site
http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=24

which has revealed my 80 inch (car no. 06101688) was dispatched from the factory between the end of August to the beginning of November 1949.
Mine has the fishtail bumper mounts, early voltage regulator, early drawbar and riveted gear leaver cover. So its a 1950 model probably dispatched around September 1949. I think Diana was right on the money with that one.
Still cant sus out what colour she would have been (light or dark), original is long gone. Slowly continuing the strip down and still trying to get the steering wheel off.

Hi thanks for using and recomending my pages on the S1 forum,

Your vehicle R06101688 was destpatched 'In' 13/09/1949 and despatched 'out' on 11/10/1949 to Annund and Thompson, Brisbane. It was a batch of 44 vehicles and just before the CKD stage so all were assembled in England, including yours apart from, R06101685 and R06101686 which were CKD's and obviously some sort of trial pair as CKD's were away usually in lots of 6. So it would have been dark green, no doubt about that. Enjoy

[Mick-Kelly]

Hi thanks for using and recomending my pages on the S1 forum,

Your vehicle R06101688 was destpatched 'In' 13/09/1949 and despatched 'out' on 11/10/1949 to Annund and Thompson, Brisbane. It was a batch of 44 vehicles and just before the CKD stage so all were assembled in England, including yours apart from, R06101685 and R06101686 which were CKD's and obviously some sort of trial pair as CKD's were away usually in lots of 6. So it would have been dark green, no doubt about that. Enjoy


Cant thank you enough for that, that web page of yours is the best series one info i have seen in long time. Fantastic resource and easy to spend many hours reading. Fantastic to find out it was an A & T sold vehicle but as a non CKD. And cheers for the colour info.

[chris1983rangie]

hey Mick,

awesome find mate, is that an origional hardtop for it?
my 80" is a ringpull & my no.06102768 as your no. is before mine
(06101688), so it would of had headlights behind the grill too. Are you able to check the Chassi number? it should be the same as the no. on the bulk head. its located on the top left engine outrigger. a wire brush would help too.

cheers,

Chris;)

[Mick-Kelly]

G'day Chris
I got my number from the engine mount. Mine and yours would have been canvas roofs originally. I dont know where this one has picked up the hardtop but it wasnt fitted from factory.

[chris1983rangie]

ok cool, you already got the no. from the chassi. no probs.
yea as for the soft tops, i got hood bows with mine. one person i know made his own hoodbows out of Electrical Conduit that galved steel tube stuff. i didnt even know the difference untill he told me that he made them.

i can email you a set of photos i took of a 49 model that i had a look at on the weekend for reference pictures that may help you on your 80" project.

cheers,

Chris.

PS. Did you get your BWD's?

[Mick-Kelly]

Would love a copy, and yep got the BWD thanks.

[Mick-Kelly]

Well its been almost a year most of which has seen no progress due to problems removing the steering wheel. Spent today sweating, cursing and injuring myself. But achievements have been made. Guards are now both off. Radiator and support off. Steering wheel off (destroyed in process) and all floors removed. Bulkhead is mostly off. Two bolts to go but they have 60+ years of stubbornness in them so are being left to soak in WD40 for a night. Should have the bulkhead off tomorrow evening then is time to start playing with the chassis and cataloging rust.
Time for a break now.

[Landy Smurf]

hey good progress i just drilled out those really stubborn bolts.worked a treat pulled 2 80inches apart in about 14 hours of working.the fenders and the seatbox were the worst.keep at it though looking forward to seeing some good photos soon

[Mick-Kelly]

How she looks with her bits off. Notice the compulsory crack in the bulkhead where the steering box fits. Suprisingly good condition for the chassis with just a bit of surface rust. Lots of oxidisation on engine though. Thinking chassis will be hot dipped when i get that far. So will bulkhead!.

[Landy Smurf]

good work mick.getting it galvanised?

[mildred]

Well its been almost a year most of which has seen no progress due to problems removing the steering wheel. Spent today sweating, cursing and injuring myself. But achievements have been made. Guards are now both off. Radiator and support off. Steering wheel off (destroyed in process) and all floors removed. Bulkhead is mostly off. Two bolts to go but they have 60+ years of stubbornness in them so are being left to soak in WD40 for a night. Should have the bulkhead off tomorrow evening then is time to start playing with the chassis and cataloging rust.
Time for a break now.

I just use DIESEL and leave over night,
lot cheaper than WD40 and creeps in ever-ware

[pop058]

I just use DIESEL and leave over night,
lot cheaper than WD40 and creeps in ever-ware

can second that, diesel works well

[Landy Smurf]

I just use DIESEL and leave over night,
lot cheaper than WD40 and creeps in ever-ware
i shall try that next time thanks for the info

[mildred]

good work mick.getting it galvanised?

Hey, they charge items to be galvanized by weight, yes weight! I thought years ago that they somehow used displacement , (like a ship) to calculate the cost, but they use weight? :(
I dont know how much a landie chassis weighs but its a lot. Start saving right now. Use worn out second hand parts only. because that's:bangin: all you will have money for .......

just a thought: it would cost a lot to galvanize the Queen Mary, QE2 and the Titanic ( titanic cost more because of extra rust removal needed) :tease:

[shaunh]

86" chassis weighs about 120 kilos give or take the amount of rust:wasntme:

Shaun

[Hoges]

hey good progress i just drilled out those really stubborn bolts.worked a treat pulled 2 80inches apart in about 14 hours of working.the fenders and the seatbox were the worst.keep at it though looking forward to seeing some good photos soon

FWIW I had a similar situation recently with rusted on bolts. I ended up buying (another) can of the Loctite "freeze&Release" ... As the bolts were only 5/16" and very corroded was worried they might shear...but the Loctite stuff lived up to its claims...

[Landy Smurf]

fwiw?

[shaunh]

for what its worth