Recovery gear reqd when you don't have a winch

[WhiteD3]

Hiya,

Writing out my Santa list and 4WD gear is at the top of the list (Well, actually tyres are at the top of the list but I've convinced SWMBO that these don't count as Xmas presents).

Don't have a winch. Do have a snatch strap kit, shovel and ax. So what else do I need?

Maxtracks?
Those roll-out mat things that Bushranger make?
Hand winch?

Cheers.

[Treads]

My priority item would be a hand winch :)

[Panda]

And second on my Santa wish list would be a big muscly person who runs on batteries to operate it!:D:D:D


My priority item would be a hand winch :)

[Redback]

Handwinch
snatch block
tree protector
rated shackles
gloves
recovery dampner

One of these kits would be good Incs shop may have this, plus the handwinch:D
http://www.4x4store.com.au/images/detailed/jsstandardxtrarecoverykit.jpg

Baz.

[weeds]

i thought D3's were unstoppable;)

[WhiteD3]

i thought D3's were unstoppable;)

So far it has been but I've had enough anus-clenching moments to know it is inevitable that I'll get stuck one day.

[Col.Coleman]

Don't forget some overalls or recovery suit.

Can't have you D3 owners getting those flash threads dirty:p

Could mess up the interior

CC

[Poida4x4]

I've been thinking about how to prioritise this kind of stuff as well, especially on a budget.

A hand winch would ensure that you'd get out of pretty much anything, but I can't afford one and all the kit that goes with it at the moment, and they're a fair bit of work if all you need is something like maxtrax. For me, maxtrax would get me out of most of the bogs I'd get stuck in over the next 6 months, and/or a high lift jack. A high lift jack is a great bit of kit per $$$ spent.

So that's how I'm prioritising recovery gear...

[Tusker]

A hi-lift is versatile, but where would you mount it on a D3... unless its got a bullbar & rear step from Kaymar et al.

Regards
Max P

[Scouse]

So what else do I need?This might be handy too: 1800 819 181

:wasntme:

[Col.Coleman]

High lift jacks, while being good are a pita to find somewhere to store, and points to jack on. On marks D3 would be alot of fun.

But you can use them as a hand winch. So if you buy one, don't bother with the hand winch.

BTW, did you know, the repco high lift jack is the only one with an AS WLL of 2t, all the rest are well below this, including the mega expensive original from ARB.

Just wait for the catalogue specials they have.

CC

[weeds]

maxtrax = storage issues, from memory you don't have a roof rack

hand winch = a little bulky and needs to be well secured....did i mention hard work

roll ot mats, i have not eye balled them so no comment

[Redback]

OK i just found this kit for $186, that's nearly $200 less than the above kit i posted.
http://www.4x4store.com.au/images/detailed/d_7141.jpg



T-Max 8 Piece Large Recovery Kit Includes:
1x 9m x 60mm 8T T-Max Snatch Strap
1x 10m x 50mmm 4.5T T-Max Winch Extension Strap
1x 3m x 75mm 8T Tree Trunck Protector
1x 8T Snatch Block
1x 19mm 4.75T Bow Shackle
1x 19mm 4.75T D Shackle
1x Heavy Duty Leather Recovery Gloves
1x Heavy Duty Recovery BagPlus the 1600kg lift/2.4t pull Big haul winch for $399 and it's all you need.

[WhiteD3]

Don't forget some overalls or recovery suit.

Can't have you D3 owners getting those flash threads dirty:p

Could mess up the interior

CC

True.....but I could supervise the goings on from the comfort of my dual climate controlled leather interior, making sure the great unwashed (130 drivers) don't scratch the duco:wasntme:

[Treads]

BTW, did you know, the repco high lift jack is the only one with an AS WLL of 2t, all the rest are well below this, including the mega expensive original from ARB.

Just wait for the catalogue specials they have.


They're on special for $99 at the moment :) Although I've got no idea where I'd jack from on my D1, let alone a D3 :angel: I'm guessing they designed the defender to use all this recovery gear, glad we're bringing the shed to Cape York :wasntme:

[WhiteD3]

So how do you work out what size hand winch?

T-Max sell the following:
ATMHW800 Hand Winch 800kg
ATMHW1600 Hand Winch 1600kg
ATMHW3200 Hand Winch 3200kg

Obviously (I think) you're not looking for a rating equal to the gross weight of the vehicle. ie a D3 @ 2800kg. It'd be the rolling resistance + that added by the situation itself?

[WhiteD3]

No one's mentioned these yet.

These are used to pull (as opposed to snatch) a vehicle out of a bog?

Heresay is that the fatal accident earlier this year at Black Duck was due to the inappropriate use of a chain?

[waynep]

If you're going out alone the handwinch would be probably your most useful investment.
Very versatile piece of kit around home too. ;):D

Make sure you get a snatch block, 20m winch extension strap, tree trunk protector and 3-4 rated shackles to go with it.

And practice setting it up in various configurations ( eg single line pull, double line etc ) before you go out.

[weeds]

So how do you work out what size hand winch?

T-Max sell the following:
ATMHW800 Hand Winch 800kg
ATMHW1600 Hand Winch 1600kg
ATMHW3200 Hand Winch 3200kg

Obviously (I think) you're not looking for a rating equal to the gross weight of the vehicle. ie a D3 @ 2800kg. It'd be the rolling resistance + that added by the situation itself?

there are a few members that are well versed on working out wieghts or allowance for bogged vehicles

i have never really used a handwinch except for competitions at 4wd gatherings

at a guess 1600kg, the handwinches have shear pins where the handle connects to the shaft so there is little chance of you overloading it

check out the weight of each of them, that my help decide.

[Timj]

Nobody has mentioned a good compressor yet. If you go the hand winch rather than the high lift then an exhaust jack may also be useful. Tyre removal, replace and repair kit is another bit of gear that should be in there.

Tim.

[WhiteD3]

[QUOTE=Timj;846113]Nobody has mentioned a good compressor yet. /QUOTE]

Got one Tim.:)

[Redback]

So how do you work out what size hand winch?

T-Max sell the following:
ATMHW800 Hand Winch 800kg
ATMHW1600 Hand Winch 1600kg
ATMHW3200 Hand Winch 3200kg

Obviously (I think) you're not looking for a rating equal to the gross weight of the vehicle. ie a D3 @ 2800kg. It'd be the rolling resistance + that added by the situation itself?

That 1600kg is the lift capacity, the pulling capacity for a 1600kg handwinch is 2400kg, if you are pulling a dead weight (ie) 2800kg D3 then you would use the snatch block, 2 is better, this is also where a Hilift comes in handy, if of coarse you can get access to lift the vehicle to aid in the pulling out of the vehicle.

OR

get the biggest handwinch, which means double the pulling weight AND double the price, most will get the 1600kg/2400kg winch.

Baz.

[rovercare]

Useing a hi lift as a winch is by far a joke:p

Turfir with a snatch block, shackles, and tree trunk protector, will get you out of anything

And hopefully useing the hand winch will be deterant enough that you wont get stuck again:eek:

Then you'll be a Warn like you should have from the start:wasntme:

[PCH]

I've got a Tirfor TU516 (1600/2400kg) hand winch for the D3 when I can't use the front winch. If you go for the next size up they only get bigger and heavier thus harder to store safely. So as Baz says go the 1600/2400kg size with 2 snatch blocks, tree trunk protectors and a winch extension strap.

Chris

[Poida4x4]

Using those attachments for hi-lifts to directly lift your wheels get's the stuck part out of the hole so are handy even if you do have lift points...

[Redback]

This is the best price kit at $186 and free shipping within Aust

T-Max 8 Piece Large Recovery Kit Includes:

1x 9m x 60mm 8T T-Max Snatch Strap
1x 10m x 50mmm 4.5T T-Max Winch Extension Strap
1x 3m x 75mm 8T Tree Trunck Protector
1x 8T Snatch Block
1x 19mm 4.75T Bow Shackle
1x 19mm 4.75T D Shackle
1x Heavy Duty Leather Recovery Gloves
1x Heavy Duty Recovery BagThis is the best priced Handwinch

Big Haul Hand Winch

4.8T has arrived in the country and is now back in stock.

The Big Haul Hand Winch is a great addition to any recovery kit. This lightweight and simple to use hand winch comes in 3 sizes:

- 1.5T of pull, and 800kg of lift.....$299
- 2.5T of pull, and 1600kg of lift....$399
- 4.8T of pull, and 3200kg of lift....$679

All the others starting price is $350 for the 800kg handwinch.

These prices are here
Hand Winches - Winches & Accessories - 4x4 Store Australia (http://www.4x4store.com.au/Hand-Winches-c-286.html)

[29dinosaur]

The Big Haul Hand Winch is a great addition to any recovery kit. This lightweight and simple to use hand winch comes in 3 sizes:

- 1.5T of pull, and 800kg of lift.....$299
- 2.5T of pull, and 1600kg of lift....$399
- 4.8T of pull, and 3200kg of lift....$679

All the others starting price is $350 for the 800kg handwinch.

These prices are here
Hand Winches - Winches & Accessories - 4x4 Store Australia (http://www.4x4store.com.au/Hand-Winches-c-286.html)

So which size would you recommend?

[beforethevision]

Just a thought here,

I have a hand winch, and it works no worries, but is small and only big enough for a freelander. As a downside, it only pulls a little over a meter at a time (due to a double line pull). This is far less than the length of the fixed length straps. Rated chain, rates shackles, and good chocks might be a worthy addition for use between the straps and hand winch. Shorten it every pull.

Cheers!

Before i get blasted for mentioning chain, i also mentioned 'rated' and my discalimer says 'do not use for dynamic recovery'.

[Redback]

So which size would you recommend?


1600kg/2.4t at $399

Baz.

[waynep]

Useing a hi lift as a winch is by far a joke:p



Agreed - - I've seen articles on how to set one up but I wonder if anyone has actually used one in like a real recovery situation ( pics needed for proof ).

[Redback]

Agreed - - I've seen articles on how to set one up but I wonder if anyone has actually used one in like a real recovery situation ( pics needed for proof ).

Here ya go:p

www.Nissan4x4.co.za - Hi-Lift Winch (http://www.Nissan4x4.co.za - Hi-Lift Winch)

It's only too set it up

Baz.

[mcrover]

Who needs recovery gear.

This solves both problems, tyres and the need for recovery gear :p

MATTRACKS rubber track conversions systems for 4x4 vehicles (http://www.mattracks.com/)

There's some great vids on youtube of some of thier stuff working.

You will still need the snatchy to pull eveyone else out.

Oh and by the way, I know of somewhere a D3 cant go, I pulled one out a couple of years back.....they found out that they dont like Mud that is about 2' deep very much.

I have to say though, i wouldnt have tried it in my D1 even if it was twin locked unless I had simex's or swampers or something like that.

I was impressed that I nearly pulled the bull bar off my disco and the ****y D3 screw in recovery points held up, I hid behind the door though :o

[abaddonxi]

Recovery points.

Cheers
Simon

[mcrover]

Recovery points.

Cheers
Simon

D3 recovery points are pretty good and solid.

Im pretty sure that If they were going to break they would have when I winched the one out that time as my bull bar ended up a bit bent and was making strange noises as well as I had to bog mine and strap it to a tree to pull him out.

D2's have no recovery points

[andylandy]

I tend to carry a hand winch and recovery straps, plus 4 x 3 foot star pickets, plus hi lift and bridging ladders from the grating co. so much better than max tracs in my opinion as you can bridge gaps without snapping them in half! they also make life so easy when you get bogged in sand!:) but hey how long is a piece of string every boby will have a different wish list, mine is .................................................. ..............!

[gaz]

I tend to carry a hand winch and recovery straps, plus 4 x 3 foot star pickets, plus hi lift and bridging ladders from the grating co. so much better than max tracs in my opinion as you can bridge gaps without snapping them in half! they also make life so easy when you get bogged in sand!:) but hey how long is a piece of string every boby will have a different wish list, mine is .................................................. ..............!
Hey andylandy...gaz here...do you have a pic of the bridging ladders or web site...and how much?....thanks..gaz.

[cartm58]

99.9% of the time all you really need is another 4wd to pull you out of anything

if your going to buy a hand winch get a tirfor its nots as hard to operate as everyone makes out, real issue is threading the 90 metres of steel wire through the jaws when you only need to pull yourself 5 metres or less out of where your bogged.

if your getting a winch hand or electric invest in a land anchor as rarely do you ever get a tree or boulder where you need an anchor point

if your muscles say your too old and unfit to get a hand winch buy yourself a air bag to go underneath car rather than a high lift jack with sand or mud boards to go under tyres once your lifted in the air

The other piece of useful kit is 2x2 piece 20 mm plus marine ply which is varnished wiht few coats to use as base for whatever your using as a jacking equipment under car in sand mud or water.

[inside]

Just give Land Rover a call. I wonder if anyone has ever used this?

OFF ROAD ASSISTANCE
Assistance will be provided to eligible vehicles of a four-wheel drive configuration if they become bogged or disabled on a road that is legally trafficable by conventional four-wheel drive vehicles up to the value of $1,000 (including GST). It is limited to one claim per year and any additional cost associated to specialised equipment will be at the expense of the Driver.

[WildOne]

So far it has been but I've had enough anus-clenching moments to know it is inevitable that I'll get stuck one day.

:o I have experienced first hand the phenomenon of clenching ones anus to gain more traction during those white knuckle moments:p Works a treat:p:p

[weeds]

Hey andylandy...gaz here...do you have a pic of the bridging ladders or web site...and how much?....thanks..gaz.

i have a set as well.....haven't had the need to use them yet, they sponsored aulro.com a while ago

Non Slip Treads (http://www.frp-grating.com.au/non-slip-treads.htm#LadderGrip)

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/shopping-trolley/53382-bridging-ladders.html

[sschmez]

Agreed - - I've seen articles on how to set one up but I wonder if anyone has actually used one in like a real recovery situation ( pics needed for proof ).

Sorry Wayne, No pics.
ask me next trip and I'll show you my setup, works a treat and saved my bacon on a trip I did with "Sly" from here ... I didn't even raise a sweat (but I think he did)

Stevo

[CaverD3]

An exhaust jack for changing the tyres. :angel: LR one ain't going to work.Also inconjuction with some Maxtrax or similar will get you out of a lot of problems.:D

[camel_landy]

One of the best additions to recovery kit is ingenuity...

"Necessity is the mother of all invention" :D

However, as a bare minimum, a bottle jack & a shovel.

Then, in order of priority...

Self Recovery

Hi-Lift
Chain, 2x strops, 2x shackles.
10M rope (with hooks).
Sand ladders
Hand Winch (Turfor)


Group Recovery (i.e. there is a 2nd vehicle)

Ropes (10M, 5M & 1.5M)


Also, remember that it's worth making sure you have decent anchor points on the vehicle too... :angel:

M