17" Tyres

[rovers1952]

I know tyres are "done to death" here, but not a lot in recent times on 17" tyres. I am about to order 5 x Cooper 245/70R/17 S/T (Sure Track) for my coiler TDV6S (largest legal diameter)....partly because of the limited brand availability in this size, but mainly because I've stuffed 3 OEM wranglers, two on Gibb River Road and one in Snowy Mts. Forum reports on this tyre elsewhere on the net are mixed to both extremes. I would be thankfull if someone out there has some first hand feedback on the Cooper S/T??...or offer an alternative 245/70R/17.

[rmp]

I know tyres are "done to death" here, but not a lot in recent times on 17" tyres. I am about to order 5 x Cooper 245/70R/17 S/T (Sure Track) for my coiler TDV6S (largest legal diameter)....partly because of the limited brand availability in this size, but mainly because I've stuffed 3 OEM wranglers, two on Gibb River Road and one in Snowy Mts. Forum reports on this tyre elsewhere on the net are mixed to both extremes. I would be thankfull if someone out there has some first hand feedback on the Cooper S/T??...or offer an alternative 245/70R/17.

Get the STT. Having run ST-Cs and STTs I find the STTs quieter onroad (really) and much better off. The STs chip badly and the ST-Cs don't chip, but I doubt are available in that size. STT all the way.

The Cooper Haters may now take over and explain why you shouldn't touch them with bargepole, but my experience with two sets is pretty good and I'd happily run STTs again.

[Graeme]

I'd like people to harass Goodyear to bring in their LT 245/70-17 MTR (LI 119) so that they're available locally when I want to buy them.

[rmp]

I'd like people to harass Goodyear to bring in their LT 245/70-17 MTR (LI 119) so that they're available locally when I want to buy them.

The 255/55/19 is available (in fact, I have a set on rims for sale ;-) ). I'll ask GY about the 245/70/17.

[Graeme]

... I'll ask GY about the 245/70/17.
Thanks.
I sent GY a couple of emails (Aus & US) a while ago without any response. Next step is to arrange with the local dealer to meet the GY rep, but not until I'm ready to order. No D3 for a while yet (hopefully early next year) so no hurry, but it would be good not to have to import them myself. They are available in the US in both LI 108 and 119 but I'd want the 119's. I found 225/75-16 MTRs very good on the D2.

[PCH]

I support RMP compelety in his comments.

I had 245/70/17 ST's and Exclusive Tyres replaced all 5 for me (prorata) after they chipped badly and lugs tore off from using them off-road. I requested the STT's in the same size and the softer compound has survived many trips and there is very little chipping compared to before. Unfortunatley there isn't much available in a similiar diameter as the OEM diameter.

Chris

[C H T]

Get the STT. Having run ST-Cs and STTs I find the STTs quieter onroad (really) and much better off. The STs chip badly and the ST-Cs don't chip, but I doubt are available in that size. STT all the way.

The Cooper Haters may now take over and explain why you shouldn't touch them with bargepole, but my experience with two sets is pretty good and I'd happily run STTs again.

I concur - I have driven around 75000ks on STTs in every kind of terrian from the Birdsville and Strzlecki tracks, outback NSW, rain forest, etc etc without a single problem with punctures. I used ST/Cs before and wasn't happy with sidewall strength - one serious cut (I do have ST/Cs on my D1 at present without problems) - the STTs have stood up exceptionally well. They work well on wet bitumen (for a mud tire) and are not showing any significant cutting or chipping of the tread blocks.

CHT

[wardh]

Rovers1952,

You have more thank likely ordered your tyres, but I am sort of going through the same thing wondering what to replace my tyres with in the near future. The current tyres on my D3 tdv6 S (coiler) are Cooper ATR 235/70R 17 and are very chipped but having just bought this vehicle I do not no the full history on them.

I like the idea of the 245/70R 17 size you mentioned and I have found that size in a Pirelli Scorpion ATR. Has anybody had experience with these or comments to make.

Many years ago I used Pirelli tyres on a series 2 short wheel base Rover and they were really good.

I had a set of Cooper HTs on my old D1 and did not have a very good run with them, worn out at 45,000ks no warrenty claim because I live in the country, they were only ever used on the black top and 2 trips on sand which has left me a little wary of the Cooper brand. I think their warrenty is a farce, 4x4 tyres but only covered if city driving?

Cheers

Howard

[Graeme]

I like the idea of the 245/70R 17 size you mentioned and I have found that size in a Pirelli Scorpion ATR. Has anybody had experience with these or comments to make.
I know a couple of people who have these in 16" on D2s and are very happy with them. I have earmarked the 245/70-17 for my non-offroad tyres when my D2 turns into a D3.

[rmp]

Rovers1952,

You have more thank likely ordered your tyres, but I am sort of going through the same thing wondering what to replace my tyres with in the near future. The current tyres on my D3 tdv6 S (coiler) are Cooper ATR 235/70R 17 and are very chipped but having just bought this vehicle I do not no the full history on them.

I like the idea of the 245/70R 17 size you mentioned and I have found that size in a Pirelli Scorpion ATR. Has anybody had experience with these or comments to make.

Many years ago I used Pirelli tyres on a series 2 short wheel base Rover and they were really good.

I had a set of Cooper HTs on my old D1 and did not have a very good run with them, worn out at 45,000ks no warrenty claim because I live in the country, they were only ever used on the black top and 2 trips on sand which has left me a little wary of the Cooper brand. I think their warrenty is a farce, 4x4 tyres but only covered if city driving?

Cheers

Howard

I have run a set of Pirelli Scorpion ATRs. Performance is good on all surfaces, but noise at surburban speeds is poor, and life is also poor to average. This was on a Santa Fe in 235/65/17, not a D3.

Anyone who posts here is unlikely to want to bother with any form of tyre warranty.

[Graeme]

I have run a set of Pirelli Scorpion ATRs. Performance is good on all surfaces, but noise at surburban speeds is poor, and life is also poor to average. This was on a Santa Fe in 235/65/17, not a D3.
I wonder how much difference in life there is between the passenger and LT versions.

[wardh]

Thats a good point Graeme, I noted that the Pirelli Scorpion ATR in the 245/70R 17 size was a LT which is what I would prefer, I'm not sure if it is available in that size in a passenger I will have to check the site again. I was also suprised that the tyre could be a little noisy, as the pattern does not look that aggressive. I will check with a friend of mine with regards to noise he has just fitted a set on a Land Cruiser.

[rovers1952]

Thanks for your comments Howard, have not ordered yet. Am also aware of the scorpions. Seems there is a real "love/hate" relationship with Coopers in the extreme.....especially by the tyre dealers in Kunnunarra who seem to loathe Cooper. I suspect that no tyre is bullet proof in harsh conditions with a heavy load (3.22 tonnes in my case on last year's Kimberley trip)
For the kind of conditions I expect to experience in the future, I think the Coopers S/T will do as best all rounder of a limited offering. STT's are really too aggressive for me.

[rmp]

Thanks for your comments Howard, have not ordered yet. Am also aware of the scorpions. Seems there is a real "love/hate" relationship with Coopers in the extreme.....especially by the tyre dealers in Kunnunarra who seem to loathe Cooper. I suspect that no tyre is bullet proof in harsh conditions with a heavy load (3.22 tonnes in my case on last year's Kimberley trip)
For the kind of conditions I expect to experience in the future, I think the Coopers S/T will do as best all rounder of a limited offering. STT's are really too aggressive for me.

Quite correct no tyre is bulletproof. And the ST did Coopers no favours. However, you can't judge a manufacturer by one product alone. I wouldn't write off the STTs, they're quite usuable as a daily driver tyre.

[rmp]

Thanks.
I sent GY a couple of emails (Aus & US) a while ago without any response. Next step is to arrange with the local dealer to meet the GY rep, but not until I'm ready to order. No D3 for a while yet (hopefully early next year) so no hurry, but it would be good not to have to import them myself. They are available in the US in both LI 108 and 119 but I'd want the 119's. I found 225/75-16 MTRs very good on the D2.

245/70/17 GY MTR not being made available in Australia.

[Graeme]

Thanks RMP.
I'll have to see if they will do a special order for me, otherwise I'll have toimport them myself.

[rmp]

245/70/17 MFG mud an option too.

[Graeme]

I've asked GY if they will bring in 4 MTRs in 245/70-17 (119/116 LI) and mentioned that there might be others interested too. They haven't got back to me yet, but if they will bring some in, I'll start a thread to let others know if they want to contact GY to order for themselves at the same time. If interested, it might be a good time to contact GY anyway to help them make up their minds.

[Busman]

Did the rounds with tyre dealerships on the coast.
Ended up with a set of Cooper 235/70r 17" ATR 111s.
Good overall with Road/Mud/Dirt/Sand applications.
Around $290.00 + GST.
No real road noise, but dealers mentioned to rotate tyres every
5-10k or every service, as they tend to scollop edges.
Tyres have 60k warranty>:eek:
See how we go !!!

[rovers1952]

Well, got 5 new Cooper S/T's last week, $325 each fitted...with mixed feelings. Bit noisey. But just learnt that there is now a BFG A/T in a 245/70R17 available!!!!!! Got 2 good Wranglers for sale...see markets.