V8 powered 2a shortie

[Richard O]

I have a couple of holden 186 converted 2a's. I dont intent restoring them but have a question re conversion assy.

1. Will a holden V8 250 connect up with this type of conversion?.

2. If I was to v8 power a shortie, what would I need to do re drive train?

Cheers

Richard

[Blknight.aus]

retro fit a sals to the rear, minimum.

disc brakes

If you really want a v8 shorty go rat a disco and drop its hardware in.

[Richard O]

Would I have to do anything to Chassis, If I was to create say a Burnout / summernats type car? Was talking to mate today, came up with a bit of an idea...... a shortie, stock/service looking, that would be a sleeper but would be a bit of an animal.. He has a small block chev if i am keen... Cheers Richard

[Blknight.aus]

well spring leafs tend to axle hop too much for great burnouts but no, if you wanted to make a sleeper burnout car Id just drop in a beam axle with an LSD ford 9 inch ditch the original engine and trans, add the V8 pushing one of the ZF autos.

Of course doing it so its street legal is going to be a lot more involved than that.


have you been watching Armygeddon re-runs?

and on the edit that would be a direct drive ZF not through a tcase so youd only be rear wheel drive.

[Slunnie]

Its not that easy.

If you fit a Sals you wont fit the rear prop

If you fit a V8 Rover drivetrain either you wont have a rear tailshaft and will be cutting the body lots or you will not be able to run the OE fascia and you will be cutting and remaking a lot of Xmembers

If you fit the V8 and run the Series gearbox you will break it.

There is no good solution to this that I know of.

There is an example of one that has worked, but it is a 100" wheel base of series body on rangie chassis and drivetrain, but note the radiator has been relocated to under the bonnet with thermofans and a cut bonnet.

If you're serious about getting good V8 power under a series, you should also consider a LWB, these are much easier to do than a SWB.

[Slunnie]

well spring leafs tend to axle hop too much for great burnouts but no, if you wanted to make a sleeper burnout car Id just drop in a beam axle with an LSD ford 9 inch ditch the original engine and trans, add the V8 pushing one of the ZF autos.

Of course doing it so its street legal is going to be a lot more involved than that.


have you been watching Armygeddon re-runs?
You can fix the leaf probs with an anti-wrap bar - this is fairly standard practice in modded 4WD's.

I would also look at Toyota LC60 axles rather than Ford 9" gear. The Toy stuff is cheaper, still strong enough, aligns with the driveline and is an easy fit. I would also say that most wouldn't even notice they were Toy axles looking from the front/rear.

[Blknight.aus]

early ford 9 inch once you take the 5 point watts linkage off of it looks near enough to a rover diff from the rear.

Its bad enough having to admit to putting ford gear into a landy (at least at one stage they owned the company) but toyota stuff?




thats just wrong.
:)

[Slunnie]

There is no difference between putting Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Maxidrive, Lovells, EBC, Mobil, Bilstein etc products onto the car. All of the hype is based on emotion and not logic - to make it perform you've got to use the right parts. There are a heap of similarities between Toyota parts and LandRover parts, except Toyota generally designed and manufactured the parts better. A LandCruiser 60 front axle isn't far off drop in - perchs are within about 15mm, pinion lengths match etc. The rear requires a minor amount of fabrication but is heaps stronger, correct offset on the diff etc. The Toyota axles are easy to match up front to rear as the 6 tud pattern is common.

[Richard O]

Dave, What is a beam axel? Thinking of doing a gunbuggy (mock) Cheers Richard

[Blknight.aus]

a beam axle is what you get in a series/county/deefer/disco1 think non independant and youve got it nailed.

[mudmouse]

I'd go Chev 350/TH-350/9" and delete the 4wd/transfer issues if it's going to be used for burnouts and go-whoa events. I like the beam axle idea Dave mentioned too. You could source one of those pretty easily and with the 9" diff having the pumpkin in the centre and no transfer, you wouldn't have driveshaft angle problems in a shorty....

Land Rover did build a rear wheel drive only SWB around the 2a period too!

Sounds like fun!

Matt.

[pop058]

I think Dave mentioned ratting a Disco in an earlier post.
Idea only!! - would it be easier to mod the series panel work to fit on disco chassis and running gear. If it is not for rego, then shortening chassis and other drive train mods are only technical issues not legal ones. You get the discs, 4WD (if you want it), tougher diff/s and you can play with the series panelwork to get "the look" you want. Might save quite a few bucks as the running gear mods would be the expensive ones.

paul

[Newbs-IIA]

186 is a trimatic bolt pattern therefore a 253/308 holden V8 with a trimatic bolt pattern will bolt in with no modification at all, not even engine mounts. Weather or not you would want to without strengthening the drivetrain is your choice haha.

Now that you mention it, I have a series 1 80" with a 186 conversion which i as thinking of doing the same except more competition 4WD orientated. Keep us posted on how it goes :cool: