130 steel rims VS wolf rims

[juddy]

Ok. Are wolf Rims, the same Rims that you would find on a 130? they look very much the same????

[Lotz-A-Landies]

To put it another way.

Some 130's have wolf rims.

[juddy]

Indeed. so the question is, what are the rims that come standard with a 130 called? And are they different to wolf rims?????

[spudboy]

The Wolf rims are not the same as the 130 standard rims.

The steel is heavier (each Wolf wheel weighs noticeably more than a standard rim), and you can get Wolfs in Tubeless whereas the 130 rims are for Tubed tyres only.

Look for the part number ANR4583 if you want the tubeless Wolfs.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Indeed. so the question is, what are the rims that come standard with a 130 called? And are they different to wolf rims?????Standard 130 rims look very much the same as every other standard Defender, County, 110 or series rim although they have a 6.5" width.

This is a standard 130 rim.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/02/253.jpg

[juddy]

Thats not the type of rim you get standard on a new 130?

[juddy]

These are standard rims. are they tube or tubeless?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thats not the type of rim you get standard on a new 130?
You never said NEW :mad:

That one is a 130 rim but not the current model.

[juddy]

ok you are right i never said new, let me start again.

New as in brand new 130 what rims come with it?

TD5 130 what rims came with it

TD3 130 what rims came with it

[mark2]

130 rims with holes are essentially Wolf rims.

They can be either tubeless or tubed type (slightly different rim profile) depending on age. All have a thicker center section than 110 rims and more offset and are 1/2" wider (6"). They are also heavier, despite the holes.

Some will argue that they have to be the tubeless type to be called Wolf rims and while this may be strictly correct, its probably getting a bit picky......

[juddy]

So when asking for new 130 rims, one would get wolf rims?

[geckos]

LR calls them heavy duty rims an option on 110 and 90's in england

[rick130]

Brand new 130's in Australia come fitted with the 'Heavy Duty Wheel Rims' as Land Rover call them.
They've been standard fitment on 130's in Oz since about '97

Part #'s are ANR 5593 (tubed )

ANR 4583 (tubeless)

I have a mixture of both and the wheels are identical except for the small safety bead on the tubeless rim.

specs are 6.5" (not 6" as Mark said above) 20.6mm offset and wheel nut tension as per Service Bulletin 60/04/97EN is between 163-177Nm (120-130lb/ft), quite a bit higher than regular rims.

[uninformed]

hey all,

is there any difference between these 2? or are they the same thing.

if they are different, what are the differences?
can someone provide the part numbers or numbers stamped in the rim.

ps the 130 rims i am referring to are the ones with the holes around the outside of the center.

Serg

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Depends which ones you are talking about.

There are tubed and tubeless rims in both types as well as a variety of positive and negative offsets, but all are 6.5" wide.

The main difference is that Wolf rims (the ones with the little holes) are made of thicker metal so are stronger but heavier. At least the ones used by the Britt Army are made of thicker metal.

[rick130]

Serg, AFAIK they are one and the same, all use 20.6mm offset, 6.5" width.
The only variations I'm aware of are the tubed and tubeless versions. Do a search, I've posted the part #'s up before, I'm too bloody lazy to look. :p

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Serg, AFAIK they are one and the same, all use 20.6mm offset, 6.5" width.
....<snip>Rick

I may be wrong but aren't the early 120/130 rims a negative offset* while all the later ones are a positive offset?

At least the one I had recently was a negative offset 6.5" rim.

* Negative offset the hub face is inboard of the centreline of the tyre tread.

[sclarke]

2 totally different rims...

130 ones are Tubed

Wolf are JJ (tubeless) and stronger.

i have 130 rims... boo hoo

[spudboy]

Have a look at this thread from January: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/69667-iam-confused.html

Cheers - David

[shinz]

Rick

I may be wrong but aren't the early 120/130 rims a negative offset* while all the later ones are a positive offset?

At least the one I had recently was a negative offset 6.5" rim.

* Negative offset the hub face is inboard of the centreline of the tyre tread.

AFAIK, the early 6.5" rims with the negative offset were from the SIIa 109" Forward Control, the later SIIb 110" Forward control went to the positive offset which is what carried thru to the 127/130s till such time as they morphed into Wolf wheels with the part nos. as mentioned in the link above.Of course, being Land Rover, the distinctions were very likely more blurred than that. ;)
Steve

[rick130]

2 totally different rims...

130 ones are Tubed

Wolf are JJ (tubeless) and stronger.

i have 130 rims... boo hoo

Clarkie, late 130 rims (the ones with the holes) use the heavy centres.
They weigh a ton, and can be had in tubed and tubeless, and yes, I have both types.

[VladTepes]

Where can one obtain Wolf rims from and for how much ?

[VladTepes]

I have the tubed style 130 rims but would prefer Wolfs... how would I go about fixing that ?

[V8Ian]

I have the tubed style 130 rims but would prefer Wolfs... how would I go about fixing that ?
With a fistfull of money?:angel:

[spudboy]

You'll have to buy a set of Tubeless "wolf" rims. ANR 4583.

Price is around $200 per rim, unpainted.

[abaddonxi]

I have the tubed style 130 rims but would prefer Wolfs... how would I go about fixing that ?

Go wild with the welder and DIY safety bead?

:D

[p38arover]

Have a look at this thread from January: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/69667-iam-confused.html

Cheers - David

I've merged the threads.

[rar110]

Wolf rims have a heavier steel center. I ended up replacing wheel studs with longer uk military ones as were too short IMHO for wolf rims. The strength of these rims is a bit over the top.

5 rims will cost about $1000, plus I bought military wheel studs + $200, + fitting wheel studs, + painting. I dont think they are really worth the expence.

People run tubeless tyres on 130 tubeless rims. Tube tyres are better for changing a tyre off a rim in the bush as they have a deep well to push the bead into to get the tyre on to the rim. Woff rims have band similar to disco rims. Disco rims with an altered off set (10mm) or a wheel spacer would be a good option. Plenty just run disco rims, which are very strong and tubeless.

Another option is King wheels 7 x 16 tubeless (sunny type design).

[gaz]

I have the tubed style 130 rims but would prefer Wolfs... how would I go about fixing that ?

Hi VladTepes, have a DC 130 Td5 and went thru the same issues, and have recently purchased 6x wolf rims (black) tubless for $990.20 which included freight and gst from Rovacraft in Sydney....works out at $165.04 each...Gaz.

[omy130]

.... how would I go about fixing that ?

Offset the cost of the new ones by selling me your old ones ;)

[Sleepy]

I have the tubed style 130 rims but would prefer Wolfs... how would I go about fixing that ?

You can run without tubes on tubed rims.

No recommendation - just a statement.

I was thinking of fitting internal beadlocks on mine for more reassurance. We had a thread on this a while back - can't find it at the mo.

[Scouse]

You can run without tubes on tubed rims.

No recommendation - just a statement.

But what happens if you air down even slightly & drive over rocks?

Hssssssss :(

[Sleepy]

But what happens if you air down even slightly & drive over rocks?

Hssssssss :(

I haven't done it yet. I'll find that old thread cos there are people here that do with no dramas.

Ray....come on down......!

[mark2]

But what happens if you air down even slightly & drive over rocks?

Hssssssss :(

I've never had a problem, spent 8 hours last weekend at 14 PSI without tubes on my 'tubed' rims on some rocky tracks.

Not a recommendation, just my experiences.

[Koukandowie Brangus]

I've never had a problem, spent 8 hours last weekend at 14 PSI without tubes on my 'tubed' rims on some rocky tracks.

Not a recommendation, just my experiences.

With reasonable quality rims it will work fine, i did it for 2 years up and down hundreds of times. However don't expect your insurance to pay out if you have a blowout and right the car off

[rick130]

I've never had a problem, spent 8 hours last weekend at 14 PSI without tubes on my 'tubed' rims on some rocky tracks.

Not a recommendation, just my experiences.


With reasonable quality rims it will work fine, i did it for 2 years up and down hundreds of times. However don't expect your insurance to pay out if you have a blowout and right the car off

Yep, that's my experience, not recommendation too :)
and during that bunfight we all had in the tubed/tubeless thread I was pretty clear on where i stood on the supposed 'safety' aspect of running tubeless on tubed rims, and as I said at the time, what happens when you have a puncture with a tubed tyre on a rim without safety beads ?

In my experience it just rolls straight off the rim anyway. I was just lucky it was the unloaded (inside) front tyre when it happened to me @ 100km/h through a corner.
Went tubeless after that on the recommendation of two tyre services, it was only a tiny hole that caused the sudden deflation of the tube.

[Sleepy]

I think this is the thread rick130 mentioned - some interesting reading.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/66942-running-tubeless-tube-type-rims.html

[VladTepes]

Yeah the old pinhole in a tube is a PITA.

I found that airing down, crud tends to work its way into the rim of the tyre causing a leak, whereas I;ve never jad this happen with rims with a safety bead.

So anyway I;m after some steel (or good alloy maybe) tubeless rims.

Anyone ?