300tdi to 4.4 rover v8

[gerhardlombard]

hi, im new, so hi again from south africa

i blown my 2nd 300tdi engine.

i got hold of a aussie imported 4.4 leyland v8 engine

how difficult is it fit to this engine into a defender, and whats the pros and cons.

any help will be much appreciated.

thnx

gerhard

[nzlandies]

First what is is going into?

I really isn't that hard. as you an use most rover bits to get it going such as getting the right bellhousing and clutch etc and engine mounts. Just use what ever carb set up you like and of course you can get it to run. but why!

The 300tdi is a great motor. if you keep blowing up motors then I bet you blow up the gearbox next with the extra power.

What keeps blowing on the 300tdi. You might be getting it too hot so spend the money on good big intercooler and big exhaust and don't fuel it up too much. it will go well and be more reliable than the big v8 and use way less gas.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The task is very similar to converting a TDi to a Rover V8 although most P76 didn't have power steering and airconditioning so there is no mounting holes on the front of the RHS head usually used to fit the A/C compressor.

Search threads on P76 and/or 4.4 V8s as the P76 is where the 4.4 came from. A lot of them will be in the Range Rover Classic section.

You will need to use the P76 starter motor.

Diana

[Rangier Rover]

I would think 4.4 would mince the R380 in time as has around 210HP in stock form. I'd use the LT95. You'll need a Range Rover fly wheel re drilled with a RRC clutch, Modified RRC engine mounts + some RRC ancillaries would make it easier. Use a Rover starter with a spacer ring as P76 has solenoid in a bad spot and gets hit by diff.

Do you have emission regulations on post 80s vehicles?

Tony

[Blknight.aus]

I think the r380 will last quite nicely behind the 4.4 providing the box is in good order to start with. Theres been discussion of cooling the r380 elsewhere on the forum and given that its going to be used in South Africa Id keep an eye on that post as well..

the swap wont be brain or bank bendingly difficult But that depends on your skill levels in various areas.

Id be more interested in why your killing the tdi because anything that you do that kills a tdi will also kill the V8.

your fuel economy is going to suck and the v8s dont like getting wet.

the power is better and its an easier drive than the tdi.

[gerhardlombard]

Both tdi engines blew because it was run without water. 1st time it was a water pipe burst and now the water resevoir cracked.

It is a well known fact that the water temperature gauge on a Land Rover is only for cosmetic reasons.

I would love to have the tdi engine rebuilt, but for financial reasons i can not and as for the money i can get for my blown tdi engine, it will pay for most of my conversion cost.

[hoadie72]

I can't think of a temperature gauge on any car that will tell you there's no coolant!

[Rangier Rover]

You need a low coolant alarm.... These issues you have had may have resulted from a tired head gasket and coolant pressure build up. I see this here all the time. Some notice and stop. For those who don't its very bad news. A LOW COOLANT alarm would have saved them all.

Now seriously changing to a V8 wont be strait forward or any more durable to overheating than the 300. As pointed out the 4.4 will be very drivable but at a cost. How much is fuel over there these days?

Also 4.4s tend to crack the block along cam journals if used hard and likely you will need to fit a Rover timing case and Heads as p76 can be hard to source. Some minor engineering involved in this.

Tony

[defmec]

doesn't the tdi gearboxes have a shorter main shaft spline the v8 box as i was told that i couldn't use my spare lt 77 from a 200 tdi in a county because the main shaft is different

[gerhardlombard]

please visit our south african site as it is mostly the same as your aussie site, the link is

Land Rover News in Africa - LandyOnline (http://www.landyonline.co.za)

i just spoken to brian cotton of landyonline as they will be doing the conversion for me.

according to him this will be a easy fit as they do the 3.9 rover conversions regularly. the 4.4 is just a longer stroke according to him. (i send him photos of the 4.4 V8)

he assures me my blown tdi engine will cover the cost of the while conversion, so it is only going to cost me R 15 000,00 for the 4.4 V8 engine, plus about R 5 000,00 for some minor alterations. for instance he will swop my power steering pump, aircon pump, air filter, radiator etc. with stock disco parts.

of course he will rebuilt the tdi engine and sell it at a profit for him.

Add another R 5 000,00 for the MUD dash and floor consoles as advertised on there site, and i definitely will go for the engine protection unit they install this time around.

so for R 25 000,00 i will get the whole swop done plus the cosmetic interior addings, and of course the engine protection unit, measured up to R 40 000,00 for just the tdi rebuilt.

I already spend R 10 000,00 only for getting the RAND LOVER from breakdown point back to home.

thank you all for your post sending, it is much appreciated and please keep it comming.

[gerhardlombard]

i posted 2 pics of my landy in the members gallery

[gerhardlombard]

Hi, so far so good. Most of you people were right being my R380 gearbox would not do the job. After taking the Tdi engine and gearbox out, it was discovered that my existing gearbox would not fit and was a bit near it's lifetime limit after 260 000 km's. Landyonline workshop got me a recon Discovery V8 gearbox, clutch and bellhousing to fit the Rover V8. Otherwise there seems not be any other problems as Landyonline are using stock V8 Discovery parts (air filter, power steering, altenator, radiator, etc.) They are trying to get my original aircon pump to fit.

Luckily the Rover engine came complete with the starter already fitted. We actually connected only a battery, starter switch and some fuel and started the engine first time.

I am fitting the EMS2 (engine monitoring system). It measures exaust gas temperature, oil pressure, water temperature, coolant levels, and other gadgets like body angles etc.

Also I will have the MUD dash console and Mud floor console fitted.

See Land Rover News in Africa - LandyOnline (http://www.landyonline.co.za) for links to the EMS2 and MUD consoles.

More unconfirmed data about the engine:

It was a 4.4 Leyland P76 engine witch the Aussie owner rebored to a 4.6 and he intended to use the engine for channel boat racing before it found it's way to South Africa and then to me. I would actually love to have it Dyno tested to see the power outputs.

I think my biggest concern now will be to keep the drive shafts intact, but any more comments and advise will be much appreciated.

Thank you.

http://www.aulro.com/app/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/22267

;)Oh, I forget, what the hell happened to Aussie sport with the Super 14 rugby and the Pro 20 cricket?:D:p

[PAT303]

Can I give you some advice,service and inspect you vehicle or you new V8 will go the way of your Tdi's.The V8 will die quicker without coolant and will be a total loss.You are spending a fortune because of a $50 radiator hose. Pat

[DeeJay]

Thats a pretty nifty guage for $A 225.00 :eek:
I've just bookmarked that page....

EMS2 - Engine Monitor
[EMS2]

R1454.18

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
Click to enlarge (javascript:popupWindow('http://landyonline.co.za/shop/popup_image.php/pID/62?osCsid=6c13d124f8df43798632bd32b1f0e7d2')) The EMS 1 Multi Gauge Instrument can be configured to measure and monitor all of the following simultaneously and is suitable for automotive, plant and stationary engines both petrol and diesel: 1. EGT 2. Coolant Temperature 3. Oil Temperature 4. Oil/Boost/Fuel/Aux Pressure 5. Oil Pressure Switch 6. Water Level with adjustable sensitivity The above readings can all have individual alarm set points with max and min values. Furthermore the multi gauge has 7. 2 types of inclinometers 8. Engine running hours with selectable “service engine reminder” alarm 9. Battery Voltage Besides these fantastic features the multi gauge also has: * Green backlit display * Ability to record all maximum values until reset * Voltage reversal and over voltage protection * Built in audible alarm * Built in Visual alarm * External relay output drive to cut the engine or for other uses * Easy to use menu system * The ability to calibrate your own sensors * The ability to set the multi gauge to page through your choice of displays at preset intervals or to display one feature only * The ability to disable any function/s if they are not required * A 10 to 30 Volts DC working range Current version is EMS2 v1.07 Remember, you can order a long EMS harnass to ease installation (EMSHL)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/For more information, please visit this products webpage (http://landyonline.co.za/shop/redirect.php?action=url&goto=www.madman.co.za&osCsid=6c13d124f8df43798632bd32b1f0e7d2).

[gerhardlombard]

All so far so good. Landyonline is almost finish with this project. Brian seems to be very happy with the new power, etc.

Landy went for an exhaust system this morning. Some questions again :

1. Single pipe or double pipe.
2. The exhaust manifolds on the V8 engine is cracked. What is the advantages of "branches" made up?

I was quoted R 6000,00 today for "branches", 63mm stainless steel singe pipe system with two silencers. "free flow" system. Any comments and your thoughts on this will be appreciated.

Thanks.

[gerhardlombard]

Sorry for taking so long to answer, I was enjoying the Landy to much during summer, lol
Well, this is the end result :

.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/04/251.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/04/252.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/04/253.jpg

[gerhardlombard]

[QUOTE=DeeJay;998680]Thats a pretty nifty guage for $A 225.00 :eek:
I've just bookmarked that page....

EMS2 - Engine Monitor
[EMS2]

R1454.18

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:popupWindow%28%27http://landyonline.co.za/shop/popup_image.php/pID/62?osCsid=6c13d124f8df43798632bd32b1f0e7d2%27%29)F itted the Engine Monitor System. It is working great and set the mind to ease. Could have saved 2 Tdi engines and a darn lot of money if I fitted it beforehand.

Fortunately my Mercedes Benz have a sufficient engine monitoring system, but I would recommend this system for any vehicle.

[PAT303]

Thats a neat setup.I had a 4.4 a few years ago that I was going to fit into a series 2a but never got around to it.Do you have LPG in SA?. Pat

[B92 8NW]

Thats a pretty nifty guage for $A 225.00 :eek:
I've just bookmarked that page....

EMS2 - Engine Monitor
[EMS2]

R1454.18

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/http://landyonline.co.za/shop/product_info.php/products_id/images/EMS2_EGT1800x600.JPG
Click to enlarge (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:popupWindow%28%27http://landyonline.co.za/shop/popup_image.php/pID/62?osCsid=6c13d124f8df43798632bd32b1f0e7d2%27%29) The EMS 1 Multi Gauge Instrument can be configured to measure and monitor all of the following simultaneously and is suitable for automotive, plant and stationary engines both petrol and diesel: 1. EGT 2. Coolant Temperature 3. Oil Temperature 4. Oil/Boost/Fuel/Aux Pressure 5. Oil Pressure Switch 6. Water Level with adjustable sensitivity The above readings can all have individual alarm set points with max and min values. Furthermore the multi gauge has 7. 2 types of inclinometers 8. Engine running hours with selectable “service engine reminder” alarm 9. Battery Voltage Besides these fantastic features the multi gauge also has: * Green backlit display * Ability to record all maximum values until reset * Voltage reversal and over voltage protection * Built in audible alarm * Built in Visual alarm * External relay output drive to cut the engine or for other uses * Easy to use menu system * The ability to calibrate your own sensors * The ability to set the multi gauge to page through your choice of displays at preset intervals or to display one feature only * The ability to disable any function/s if they are not required * A 10 to 30 Volts DC working range Current version is EMS2 v1.07 Remember, you can order a long EMS harnass to ease installation (EMSHL)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/For more information, please visit this products webpage (http://landyonline.co.za/shop/redirect.php?action=url&goto=www.madman.co.za&osCsid=6c13d124f8df43798632bd32b1f0e7d2).

I think the Australian dealer is "TheEntertainer" on here and the site is Nata enterprises (http://www.nata.net.au)

[gerhardlombard]

Thats a neat setup.I had a 4.4 a few years ago that I was going to fit into a series 2a but never got around to it.Do you have LPG in SA?. Pat


If LPG stands for Lead Replacement Gasoline, the answer is yes, every petrol station in South Africa have at least one LPG pump.

[Hardchina]

If LPG stands for Lead Replacement Gasoline, the answer is yes, every petrol station in South Africa have at least one LPG pump.

you effricans are funny. LPG stands for liquid petrolium gas.

Think barbeque gas / propane.

BTW if you do fit this and run out coolant the converter will freeze up and you wont go anywhere. Fail safe ( well not really )

Why not source a 3.5? From what i understand they are probably the most reliable / hardest to kill of all the v8's. and as you are comming from a diesel it will have heaps of power :D

[Freestyler]

Hi, I have a 4.4 leyland V8 in my County and it goes really well. Mine has rover heads, EFI inlet monifold, timing cover and water pump and looks like a rover V8. Most of the brackets of a early V8 disco with V belts. The only bracket that doesn't fit is the PS pump but is easy to modify to fit. You also need sandwich plates the fit the rover manifold. The 300tdi goes well but you wont know yourself with the grunt of the 4.4
Tim