Series 1 Starter Button

[chris1983rangie]

G'day,

When i turn my ignition off and take the key out, i go and press the starter button and the Landy still kicks over? Why is this? kinda strange me thinks:eek:

let me know what you all thinks,

Cya,

Chris:confused::beer::spudniksnore:

[dreamin']

Same here - seemed odd first time I did it 'by accident'. I'm no electrician, but think I've worked out that operation of the starter is independent of the ignition. When ignition is on, my engine starts first push of the button. If no ignition, I can turn the starter over til the battery dies but no spark(believe me, I did this for about 2 weeks til I sorted my ignition out).

Maybe someone can tell us if this is meant to happen or if our two landies are both wired wrong?

D

[Walster]

Same here - seemed odd first time I did it 'by accident'. I'm no electrician, but think I've worked out that operation of the starter is independent of the ignition. When ignition is on, my engine starts first push of the button. If no ignition, I can turn the starter over til the battery dies but no spark(believe me, I did this for about 2 weeks til I sorted my ignition out).

Maybe someone can tell us if this is meant to happen or if our two landies are both wired wrong?

D

Wat you are experiencing is correct operation of your Landy.

The wiring from the battery goes direct to the starter motor through the start switch. (so as long as the battery has electricty you will be able to turn the starter motor over) All the ignition switch does is switch the iginition coil into circuit, thereby allowing the creation of spark to the spark plugs.

Hope this helps

Regards

Wal

[JDNSW]

As above - this is the way all cars with electric start were until solenoid starter switches became common about WW2. Landrover were probably the last vehicle to change.

John

[chris1983rangie]

Thanks fellas!
that makes sense now! :cool:

[101RRS]

I used to play in my uncle's Ford Consul when I was a kid and we couldn't work out why it would start as the motor always turned over on the starter - was the same as a series landies.

Starter is separate to the ignition.

Garry

[Aaron IIA]

It gets better. If you connect a wire from the accessories socket to the terminal on the windscreen wiper, the Land Rover is now switched on. No key necessary.

Aaron.

[Aaron IIA]

It gets even better still. If your vehicle is a diesel, you don't even need a battery. If you can hand start it (Hercules) or push start it (everybody else), all of the electrics will come on-line once the engine is running.

Aaron.

[dreamin']

So what happens with crank-starting petrol models? Does there still need to be enough battery to deliver a spark even if it can't turn the starter?

[Sleepy]

So what happens with crank-starting petrol models? Does there still need to be enough battery to deliver a spark even if it can't turn the starter?

Still need the power on to deliver the spark - using Aaron's method above - or the more popular "key" method:angel:

And no, I am not telling you where I park my S1 :p

[JDNSW]

So what happens with crank-starting petrol models? Does there still need to be enough battery to deliver a spark even if it can't turn the starter?

Yes, but this is not much compared to the starter draw. I have managed to eke out an old battery for a full winter this way. Just need to make sure carburettion and ignition are in good shape. This is not unique to Series Landrovers - applies to any car with a crankhandle. (e.g. early VW)

John

[Aaron IIA]

A battery of any description is not strictly necessary. I have started my petrol, normal coil spark ignition (as opposed to magneto ignition), SI with absolutely no battery connected. I just had to roll start it until the engine was turning over at about 1000~1500 RPM. The generator was then generating enough electricity to power the coil. This may also work with alternator powered vehicles, but they typically only self excite when the engine has reached 3000~4000 RPM.

Aaron.

[Sleepy]

A battery of any description is not strictly necessary. I have started my petrol, normal coil spark ignition (as opposed to magneto ignition), SI with absolutely no battery connected. I just had to roll start it until the engine was turning over at about 1000~1500 RPM. The generator was then generating enough electricity to power the coil. This may also work with alternator powered vehicles, but they typically only self excite when the engine has reached 3000~4000 RPM.

Aaron.

Wow, never thought that would work.:o but happily impressed.
I recall Jack Absalom doing this with a number of D cell batteries taped together to get the 12 volts then push starting the vehicle.

[series1buff]

I recall Jack Absalom doing this with a number of D cell batteries taped together to get the 12 volts then push starting the vehicle.

No , he jacked up a rear wheel and with car in gear , he rocked the wheel over to turn the motor and start it . Your right about the D cells ..he did do that . Wonder what became of him, he was a real bushie ... preceding the Bush tucker man by years. He was also a noted artist I think .

Mike

[Sleepy]

No , he jacked up a rear wheel and with car in gear , he rocked the wheel over to turn the motor and start it . Your right about the D cells ..he did do that . Wonder what became of him, he was a real bushie ... preceding the Bush tucker man by years. He was also a noted artist I think .

Mike

Yes I do remember - The old sigma - I was just simplifying the story.:angel:
He also did the "victa mower method" and pull started the sigma with a rope around the rear wheel.:D

[dennisS1]

I think he blew himself up putting 400 psi in the spare or one of his other nitwit ideas.
He preceded Russel Coight. I Think.
Dennis

[Sleepy]

I think he blew himself up putting 400 psi in the spare or one of his other nitwit ideas.
He preceded Russel Coight. I Think.
Dennis

Yes that's right Dennis, he used to blow up the spare and use it as a compressed air reservoir - not sure it was 400psi but well over 100psi from memory - not sure that's safe.:unsure:

[Grockle]

400 psi :eek:

[JDNSW]

...... not sure it was 400psi but well over 100psi from memory - not sure that's safe.:unsure:

I am sure it is NOT safe. Most tyres will have a maximum pressure marked on them, and while it may be safe to go perhaps 50% over that if they are not put on the vehicle (no shock load from bumps) I would not go over about that.

I've only actually had one tyre explode on me, that was a 30x2 1/2 clincher rim tyre with a minimum operating pressure of 90psi, but relatively small volume, and that was bad enough (damaged due to sitting on the vehicle flat).

John