TDV6 Oil in vacuum line.

[stevecor]

G'day All,
Have had the problem of my brakes not responding in my TDV6, so booked it in to Austral, Brisbane this morning and according to them this problem has just been made the subject of a recall.
Regards Steve

[Scouse]

Yes, just released as such by LR.

[Bushwanderer]

At last! :):):):):):):):):)

Hi Scott,
From other threads, it would seem that previous repairs involved replacement with parts having the same P/N. :eek: Now that there is a recall, which parts are different?

Thanks,
Peter

[Scouse]

From other threads, it would seem that previous repairs involved replacement with parts having the same P/N. :eek: Now that there is a recall, which parts are different?

The recall isn't actually for replacement of the vacuum pump. There's a new hose to be fitted between the pump & booster, LR018673.

There are a few checks to be done before any repairs are carried out depending on where oil is found.

[CaverD3]

See:

DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - Vacuum Booster Issue- RECALL (http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=503111)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/08/1798.jpg


You'll be getting one of these:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/365.jpg

[Bushwanderer]

My pleasure at this news has been somewhat dampened as my vehicle is a 2005 model & too early for the recall. wtf!:mad: I guess it's out of warranty &, therefore, doesn't deserve LR support. :(

Good luck, however, to those included. :BigThumb:

Best Wishes,
Peter

PS: Has anyone with VIN Nos earlier than allowed had to have this repair?

[CaverD3]

If yours is doing this then I do not think LR will refuse to fix it. Argue and if you loose take to Fair Trading. You have a reasonable expection of functioning brakes beyond the warranty period.
It does seem strange that the Vin nos do not start when they were first imported.

[Bushwanderer]

Hi Caver,
No problems at present.

Like you, however, I feel that this should be a recall item & so was hoping to avoid problems until the recall eventuated.

If it "raises its ugly head", Ill certainly be approaching LRA for a satisfactory resolution.

Best Wishes,
Peter

[CaverD3]

If you have oil in the line you have a problem. If it hasn't happened yet it probably won't.
From time to time I would undo the connector next to the vac booster and tap the end onto your finger.

PS

All info from LR here:

http://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/11257/Booster%20re-call%20whole.pdf

[lrdef110]

Mine is pre the Vin recall and was out of warranty when LR replaced the booster & vacuum free of charge a couple of months ago. No arguments - they just did it. They called it goodwill warranty.

[sy328]

I guess i'm not alone then; had the same problem when my MY09 was only 4 months old as well, but got it fixed under warranty. :cool:

[Bushwanderer]

Hi sy328,
Welcome to aulro. :)

No, you're not alone. Hopefully, now all OK for you. :BigThumb:

Best Wishes,
Peter

[CaverD3]

"Oil Migration Condition
Customers have reported a reduction in braking assistance performance, and upon investigation dealer technicians report finding oil in the brake booster. When the engine is turned off the non-return valve in the vacuum pump does not in all cases seal. This allows engine oil to be sucked into the vacuum hose that feeds the brake booster (due to by-design residual depression in the brake booster feed hose). Oil may then migrate from the hose into the brake booster, which can lead to a reduction in brake assistance. Eventually the oil may migrate through the brake booster into the brake master cylinder where the main and primary & secondary pumping chamber seals may swell and could fail to seal."


It looks like LR changed the vacuum pump in April 2007 to stop the oil migration (LR have only one part number for the vacuum pump so when it is replaced you don't know if it is the new one)

"Vehicles manufactured between November 2005 and April 2007 are at most risk of experiencing this
condition. A modified vacuum pump was introduced in April 2007 to mitigate against this oil migration."

The Symptoms on the May 2007 to June 2009 (sy328, is yours in this range: LA440001-LA513325?) are a temporary sticking of valve (so LR just created a new issue with the new vac pump?)

"Valve Sticking Condition
The symptom has been identified as the brake vacuum pump not replenishing the vacuum in the brake booster for up to 60 seconds from engine-on, due to the pump non return valve "sticking" in the closed position. If the brake pedal is depressed typically 3-5 times within this time the brake booster vacuum becomes depleted and braking assistance is lost. Typically, within 60 seconds from engineon the valve unsticks, the brake booster vacuum is restored and full braking assistance is available.
Based on field reports, no further brake assistance symptoms are then experienced during that drivecycle."

In order to find out how many instances of the issue there are outside of the VIN range; please check if yours has oil in the vac line (undo the connetor next to the brake booster and tap it on your finger)Then post on here if yours is outside the range:

Build dates November 2005 and April 2007 VIN numbers, LA367110- LA440000

Mine is outside.

[Peter_OZ]

yup mine wasin at Australs yesterday for 60 thou service and they are getting the parts in to do the rectification work

[CaverD3]

Apparently the original recall was recalled. :confused:

LR will issue new one with new part Nos and new VINS. Awaiting word from dealer on when it is issued.

[Scouse]

My pleasure at this news has been somewhat dampened as my vehicle is a 2005 model & too early for the recall. wtf!:mad: I guess it's out of warranty &, therefore, doesn't deserve LR support. :(

2005 MY D3s are EU3 compliant & have a different vacuum pump from the EU4 D3s (2006 +). That's why they're not part of this campaign.

The revised bulletin should be released soon so we'll see what that holds in store for the earlier cars.

[Bushwanderer]

Hi Scott,
Thanks for the clarification & update. :BigThumb:

Best Wishes,
Peter
PS: Still with fingers crossed.

[Warrigal57]

Hi Guys

Merry Xmas to all and all the best for the New Year.

Any updates on the possible LR recall for oil collecting in the brake booster?

Had my 2006 D3 2.7L serviced by a non-dealer workshop on 23 Dec, including replacement of steering arms/ball joints. In the process they managed to 'lose' brakes and subsequently found oil in the booster. They advised they had found the same problem in another D3 but Brisbane Austral (LR ?) rectified the problem even though the car was 12mths out of warranty.

My vehicle was out of warranty in Aug 09 but I will be pursuing with Austral and LR. Particularly annoyed as I had queried Austral about this problem at the previous service with them and was told the 'recall'/problem didn't apply to my vehicle!:mad:

[CaverD3]

Ring DOTARS.

Or e-mail them the exact detais; I'll PM the contacts details.

I have discussed the issue with him and e-mailed my experience.

Anyone else who has experienced oil in the brake line or even better a brake failure in vehicles outside warranty; PM me and I'll give the contact details.

[connock]

Hi all hope you all had a good exmas

My D3 05 was out of the recall by 1 mth and allmost came to greaf a couple of times but the SA based TRS fixed the prob at no cost ( were I purchased it ). The machanics found 1 litre of oil in the booster ( that will do it ). All good nowhttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/13.jpg

[Warrigal57]

Called in to discuss the brake problems with the Brisbane dealer (Austral) and ask about any recall. They checked the VIN number and advised that yes the vehicle was covered (by a recall?); the vehicle is booked for repair work on Mon.

Despite being advised that oil had been found in the booster they expected the fault to be the "valve sticking condition' mentioned above. Be interesting to see what they uncover on Monday.

No mention of any recall advice to myself or other owners - so I expect if I hadn't asked the question I would not have heard from them.

[Bushwanderer]

Hi Warrigal,
Have you owned the D3 from new? If not, have your details been given to LRA?

Best Wishes,
Peter

[Warrigal57]

Peter

I've owned the car since new but leased through my Govt employer....so quite possibly Canberra or the leasing office have some mail for me that's gone astray.

Good thinking, thank you.

[Bushwanderer]

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