D4 Summary-New bits etc

[sniegy]

Apart from the standard features the vehicle already has like-Anti-Lock Braking (ABS), Permanent 4 wheel drive, Dynamic Stabiltiy Control (DSC), Roll Stability Control (RSC), Hill Descent Control (HDC).
The range has slightly changed & you get better value especially in the 2.7 TDV6 as a lot more has been added to the vehicle, yet it is cheaper to buy than the outgoing 09MY......

2.7 TDV6 Base vehicle now, no designation
3.0 TDV6 SE & HSE Variants.
5.0 V8 HSE ONLY
All vehicles have Electronic Air Suspension & Terrain Response which have been improved, HDC now comes with Gradient release, which holds brake pressure & allows it to be released gradually on downhill descents.
All "Diesel" vehicles now come with a mis-fuelling device.
2.7 Retains existing ZF 6 speed, While the 3.0 & 5.0 get new ZF 6 speeds.
All vehicles now have ONE touch windows up/down function.
All vehicles now have Auto Lights & Rains sensors.
All vehicles now have Headlamp power wash.
All vehicles now have Fog Lights.
All vehicles now have Auto dimming rear mirror.
All vehicles now have Auto dual climate control.
All vehicles now have Trailer Stabilty Assist (TSA)
All vehicles now have a 5" TFT screen as the dash display, which incorporates Trip computer, fuel consumption etc.
Front Head rests are now adjustable up/down.
Bluetooth Phone system std on all models.
All vehicles now have Rear Park Assist.
LED Tail lights.
Body colored wheel arch flares, front & rear bumpers & mirror caps.
Speed proportional & variable power steering.
Keyless Start & OPTIONAL Keyless Entry.
2.7 has Halogens, 3.0 SE & HSE have Bi-Xenons with LED Signature & 5.0 HSE has Adaptive Bi-Xenons with LED sig.
2.7 has 5 seats cloth (option for 7 leather seats if required)
3.0 SE/HSE & 5.0 HSE has 7 leather seats. Premium Leather OPTION on 3.0 HSE ONLY. 5.0 HSE Std.
Electric Heated, Power fold mirrors on 3.0 SE/HSE & 5.0 HSE OPTION on 2.7.
Rear A/C std on 3.0 HSE & 5.0 HSE OPTION on others.
Sunroof with Alpine glass rear roof std on 5.0 HSE OPTION on others.
Rear E-diff lock std on 5.0 HSE OPTION on others.
The 5.0 HSE ptretty much comes with everything including Surround Camera System, Harmon Kardon stereo system with Logic 7, Rear Seat Entertainment, HDD Sat Nav, Heated W/Screen, Heated W/sceen washers, Heated seats 1st & 2nd rows, Heated S/wheel.

RRP are as follows (Mind you does NOT include on roads)
2.7 68,490
3.0 SE 81,990
3.0 HSE 94,990
5.0 HSE 126460

Happy shopping everyone..Merry Christmas...:angel:

[Jamo]

Pete, a couple of questions if I may:

I read somewhere that the centre coolbox is not an option for the 3.0 HSE, is that ture?

Also, Is there a wait for the surround camera system. I also read that the manufacturer couldn't meet demand levels

Thanks

Jamo

[sniegy]

Hi Jamo,
The centre coolbox issue is an interesting one. We have already swapped a customers coolbox from old vehicle to new vehicle & it works. The plug is there & is quite easily accessable. It is very much like when the D3 was first released..there was a lot of things to work out & then put into print.
There is no listing as of yet for the cooler in the Microcat either. But things will change & the existing one will fit.
I would assume the delaer could fit the existing part no. into the new D4.

Yes, there is a wait for the Camera system and yes you are correct, the majority of the camera's that were ordered from the manufacturer was mind boggling as everyone wanted them, Especially dealers to show off the new product(That also included LR for Demo's Drive vehicles)& the manufacturer never thought it would be this popular & miscalculated on his production runs, Hence he did not make enough for Europe/USA let alone the rest of the world:eek::eek:

Cheers.

[roamer]

Hi Pete, You may be able to help me with D4 entry, hold button for 3 sec on unluck, windows go down, hold for 3 sec on lock ,iwndows don;t go up, is there an easy fix or is it a LR fix
Cheers Ken (P..S you're right anyone who buys a D4 will not be dissapointed)

[sniegy]

Hi Ken,
IDS (Vehicles computer diagnostic & programming system) doesnt allow this function for our market. I have been playing to try & get this function to operate but have been told that it is not applicable to our market.
The Lazy Entry or windows go down function is part of our market & can be programmed into the vehicle as yours has.

Cheers.

[djhampson]

Thats funny that its not applicable for our market as the FL2 has windows go up function by default.

Wish my D3 had that option. It was great on a hot day to walk up to the car and have the windows down before getting in.

[drivesafe]

Hi Pete, are all windows one touch down and up on the D4?

It’s an absolute pain jumping from the RR into the D3 and having to hold the window buttons down to get all windows opened.

BTW, any idea of the cost of having a Coolbox added to a D4?

[sniegy]

Thats funny that its not applicable for our market as the FL2 has windows go up function by default.

Wish my D3 had that option. It was great on a hot day to walk up to the car and have the windows down before getting in.

DJHampson, is this using the remote or window switch buttons?
Ken is enquiring about remote lock buttons for Lazy entry & Lazy exit..
Lazy entry can be programmable to the D3. (where you walk up to the vehicle & push & hold the open button then all windows open up.)


Hi Pete, are all windows one touch down and up on the D4?

It’s an absolute pain jumping from the RR into the D3 and having to hold the window buttons down to get all windows opened.

BTW, any idea of the cost of having a Coolbox added to a D4?

Yes Tim, all windows are one touch up/down.

[disco2hse]

"All vehicles now have Trailer Stabilty Assist (TSA)"

How does that work?


"All vehicles now have a 5" TFT screen as the dash display, which incorporates Trip computer, fuel consumption etc."

About time too. Wish my D2 had that.

Alan

[djhampson]

DJHampson, is this using the remote or window switch buttons?
Ken is enquiring about remote lock buttons for Lazy entry & Lazy exit..
Lazy entry can be programmable to the D3. (where you walk up to the vehicle & push & hold the open button then all windows open up.)


yeah thats what I'm talking about too. Hold the Lock button on the FL fob and the windows go up (i think the sunroof closes if its fitted) and the opposite happens when you hold the Unlock button.

Can any age D3 be programmed to do this? I figured that because it didn't have one-touch up down on all of the windows it wasn't possible. I've got a 2006 SE btw.

[miky]

Electric Heated, Power fold mirrors ...

Electric heated mirrows... WOW.

Worth buying just for them alone :lol2:

[sniegy]

Hi Alan,
This is from my notes..so here goes.

" "Trailer Stability Assist" detects trailer oscilations by examining the towing vehicles behaviour. When the system detects that the towing vehicle is swinging in response to trailer oscilations, it either reduces engine torque or applies the brakes to help recover control.

Vehicle speed is reduced by applying all the brakes or applying them asymetrically, when control may be regained faster with selective braking.

The system operates up to the maximum vehicle speed regardless of whether trailer electrics have been detected. to prevent false interventions on non-townig vehicles, a higher oscilation threshold is used when trailer electrics are not detected.

The brake lights are illuminated when vehicle deceleration exceeds 0.7g"

A lot of the information is taken by the "G" sensors, steering wheel sensors etc. I have yet to drive a vehicle with a trailer to see how it works but in time it will happen.

Cheers HTH.;)

[sniegy]

yeah thats what I'm talking about too. Hold the Lock button on the FL fob and the windows go up (i think the sunroof closes if its fitted) and the opposite happens when you hold the Unlock button.

Can any age D3 be programmed to do this? I figured that because it didn't have one-touch up down on all of the windows it wasn't possible. I've got a 2006 SE btw.

I think it is only for 07MY onwards.

& yes you are right as i have played with the FL2 & it does have Lazy locking.
Good point..

[djhampson]

I think it is only for 07MY onwards.

Bugger :D Oh well...

[weeds]

Bugger :D Oh well...

have dave....lets swap cars for a few days, the last thing you will be worried about is weather the windows go up or down when locking the car with the fob.........hang on central locking never knew it existed;)

[djhampson]

hehehe ahhh no :D

I'm driving the RRS at the moment actually. Dad's working overseas for a month so I have to drive it to keep the odometer ticking over... lifes a real bitch sometimes!

[AnD3rew]

Sounds like a nice vehicle, but I already have about 80% of the stuff listed on my 09TDV6 SE.

[disco2hse]

Hi Alan,
This is from my notes..so here goes.

Clever. Would be a lot more effective than tryng to do it manually. I wonder how it performs with load balancing trailer hitches or in offroad conditions.

Another of those things that are long overdue.

Alan

[rmp]

Clever. Would be a lot more effective than tryng to do it manually. I wonder how it performs with load balancing trailer hitches or in offroad conditions.

Another of those things that are long overdue.

Alan

TSC is there is to combat trailer sway, which when a trailer oscillates in increasing frequency at speed due to some initial disturbance such as a sudden gust of wind, instead of the rig dampening out the disturbance. It is caused by incorrect tow setup, usually the CoG too far back. I'm in two minds about TSC. It is a good safety feature, but on the other hand means that poorly set up trailers can now be towed. Hopefully when it kicks in it does so in such a way to let you know something is wrong, as opposed to the subtle intrusion of something like CBC. TSC is not unique to Land Rover. It won't work at low speeds offroad, however the normal ESC will, but usually you'd want that disabled. If the D4 is approved for a hitch, which I doubt, then TSC would work with it. All TSC does is figure out a trailer is hooked up and when it detects sway -- easy to do as there will be a force on the rear wheels -- it'll alternately brake the front wheels and chop the throttle to bring things under control. The rear wheels aren't braked because they need all their grip for lateral control.

[disco2hse]

TSC is there is to combat trailer sway,

What's TSC?

How does that differ from TSA?

Alan

[rmp]

Sorry, TSC = TSA. Different manufacturers have different names for the same thing and I mixed them up. Trailer Sway Control/Assist. Like Dynamic Stability Control = Electronic Stabilty Control = Vehicle Dynamic Control etc etc.

[Graeme]

All "Diesel" vehicles now come with a mis-fuelling device.
Will the large truck nozzles fit and stay in, and if not, can the mis-fuelling device be removed or replaced with the D3 filler neck?

I ask as I obtain all my local fuel from the only village bowser that has the large nozzle for the local trucks.

[dmdigital]

What the heck is a "mis-fuelling" device?


Pete, is the SatNav a true HDD or is it actually solid state (like a memory card). I would have thought a hard drive would not be a good move in a 4WD - unless of course the D4's suspension is incredibly;)

[rmp]

A mis-fuelling device prevents a petrol nozzle being inserted into a diesel tank, by means of a clever device within the filler neck. And a little hand comes out and slaps you.

Hard disks in 4WDs work fine, used them for many years. HDDs are nowhere near as fragile as assumed. What kills them and other car computers is usually excess heat through insufficient ventilation.

[dmdigital]

A mis-fuelling device prevents a petrol nozzle being inserted into a diesel tank, by means of a clever device within the filler neck. And a little hand comes out and slaps you.
OK, seems a little ridiculous but I can imagine there are a lot of people buying a diesel for the first time now days so kind of makes sense. Does the hand also reach out and smack them on the back of the head?


Hard disks in 4WDs work fine, used them for many years. HDDs are nowhere near as fragile as assumed. What kills them and other car computers is usually excess heat through insufficient ventilation.
HDD's have come a long way but believe me you can easily kill them on rough enough terrain. Also the other reason I ask is there is a move towards solid state drives and given the storage required for SatNav etc isn't that large (relative to modern HDD's) a simple 8GB UDMA CF card would suffice.

[rmp]

Solid state would make most sense, as you say capacities are well in excess of what's required.

As for misfueling, as a knowledgeable car enthusiast maybe you wouldn't, but plenty of people do and I've come close myself once or twice. So, it's a great idea. The repair to a modern vehicle can be very expensive.

[dmdigital]

As for misfueling, as a knowledgeable car enthusiast maybe you wouldn't, but plenty of people do and I've come close myself once or twice. So, it's a great idea. The repair to a modern vehicle can be very expensive.
I also have the added benefit of having to refuel at a service station which has more diesel pumps than ULP or PULP. Not like in cities where it becomes a task to even find the diesel pump sometimes:mad:

[drivesafe]

$20,000 is the typical cost of repairs needed after filling up an RR diesel with unleaded.

You can also get some diesel bowsers that will trip the misfuelling device.

While I agree that solid state will be the way to go and I’m waiting for more solid state video cameras to come on the market, but HDDs have a lot of self protection devices built in these day and this helps them to tolerate some pretty rough handling and still function OK.

[stig0000]

$20,000 is the typical cost of repairs needed after filling up an RR diesel with unleaded.

OK.

yep,, its tru,, last tdv8 we had with 80L pulp ran till it stoped and that was 24.5k, and about 22 of that was just parts,

[Jamo]

It's quite common in the UK evidently! One of the very first TSB's issued for the D3 was the procedure in the event of a misfuel.:eek:

[disco2hse]

Does the hand also reach out and smack them on the back of the head?

No. Just you. :p:p :D

Alan

PS. I have caught pump attendants just about to put petrol in the Disco on two occasions so far. :eek: I start it myself now.

[CaverD3]

$20,000 is the typical cost of repairs needed after filling up an RR diesel with unleaded.


It's the running of it with diesel that costs the serious money.;)

If you realise you have just don't start it, even just to move it away from the pump.

[drivesafe]

Misfuelling is so common in the UK that their road service ( like NRMA- RACQ ) now have a fleet of specially set up vehicles that will come to you at the servo, pump your tank out, clean it and fill it with the correct fuel.

All this for about £350 ( $AUD700 )

[drivesafe]

I misfueled just once.

It was in my D1 and put about 80 litres of petrol, hung the hose back up and the misses noticed I had just filled up with petrol.

3 hours later and lots of brand new lawn mower fuel cans full of mixed fuel in the back of the D1 and a full tank of DIESEL, I continued on my way.

You could get away with a small amount of petrol in an older diesel powered vehicle and they actually use to mix up to 25% petrol with diesel in vehicles in extremely cold climate countries.

[sniegy]

Will the large truck nozzles fit and stay in, and if not, can the mis-fuelling device be removed or replaced with the D3 filler neck?

I ask as I obtain all my local fuel from the only village bowser that has the large nozzle for the local trucks.

Hi mate,

The larger nozzles will not fit. They may fit into the first section, but this then means you have to hold it..I know what you do Graeme...naughty boy;)...

Can it be replaced, i would assume so, but that is something that you may have to do yourself as LR will not allow us to modify the vehicle from factory in any way....they even frown upon us for tinting windows!

Cya soon.

[Graeme]

Thanks Sneigy. I rather doubted that the device could handle 2 different size diesel nozzles.

LR replaced the filler neck on our 1st D2 with a larger one and the 2nd D2 had the larger one already. As the local servo has the large nozzle on its sole diesel bowser (and the handle is always covered in diesel), I wont be dribbling the fuel in for longer than I have to. I'll have no qualms about replacing the filler neck if that's the solution although it would be preferable if the device could just be unclipped.

For those who don't remove the device, jerry can spouts could be a challenge too.

[CaverD3]

have to do yourself as LR will not allow us to modify the vehicle from factory in any way....they even frown upon us for tinting windows!

That is Land Rover Aust for you. They are going to loose customers in the 4x4community.:twisted: :angel:

Window tinting? I thought that is how th dealers made their money?

[Graeme]

After having a look at the mis-fuelling device, I think it wont be a problem. The large initial section is about 60mm deep and the big nozzle that I regularly use doesn't go any deeper into my D2's filler, although the nozzle catches on the D2's lip and that is still to be determined (by me anyway) for the D4.

[roamer]

Hi Ken,
IDS (Vehicles computer diagnostic & programming system) doesnt allow this function for our market. I have been playing to try & get this function to operate but have been told that it is not applicable to our market.
The Lazy Entry or windows go down function is part of our market & can be programmed into the vehicle as yours has.

Cheers.

Pete,
Just seen local dealer, and he showed me that lazy lock will work on drivers door, push twice and hold. but not with fob as you said.
Cheers Ken

[DiscoSaffa]

2.7 TDV6 Base vehicle now, no designation
3.0 TDV6 SE & HSE Variants.
5.0 V8 HSE ONLY


No V6 SE Petrol..... very sad....... made the SE spec nice and affordable for the likes of me with the D3..... Guess I will have to hang on to Audrey a bit longer.........

[WhiteD3]

No V6 SE Petrol..... very sad....... made the SE spec nice and affordable for the likes of me with the D3..... Guess I will have to hang on to Audrey a bit longer.........

I'm in the same boat. Lease is up in April but I'll have to hang on for another couple of years and get one second hand.

[DiscoSaffa]

I'm in the same boat. Lease is up in April but I'll have to hang on for another couple of years and get one second hand.

I am hoping they are going to do the same with the D4 2.7 TDV6 as they did with the D3 V6....... that is after a few years the SE spec will come as standard. :confused:

That said, I think Land Rover are going to feel it in sales. My perception on the road is that the majority of sales are the V6 SE, and with no simliar vehicle in the D4 line up, those are all gonna be Prados or Pajeros :thumbsdown: when the leases are up. But then maybe that is their plan..... makes the D4 more exclusive..... pity though.......

[Neil P]

...... My perception on the road is that the majority of sales are the V6 SE, and with no simliar vehicle in the D4 line up, those are all gonna be Prados or Pajeros :thumbsdown: when the leases are up. ......

Without the 4.0 petrol $64k job , sales will vaporize .
They're not going to get 90 grand out of me for a LandRover.
To many drivers , they're just a 4 wheel drive and someone elses
make will do fine when the time comes ..........

[DiscoSaffa]

Without the 4.0 petrol $64k job , sales will vaporize .

According to the original post the D4 2.7 TDV6 comes it at $68k (assuming that is on the road) $4k is not huge.......

The big deal is $64k got you the SE spec, which your $68k doesn't any more.... and I kinda like the V6 petrol as a motor...... all in all, very sad......

[WhiteD3]

The good news is the resale value of the V6 Se has probably gone up:D

[Graeme]

According to the original post the D4 2.7 TDV6 comes it at $68k (assuming that is on the road) $4k is not huge.......
$68.5K RRP then add pre-deliv and rego, for a white one. ($74.6K)

[chuck]

I was in at a dealer on Saturday, for a 2.7 D4 with
Leather
7 seats
Sat Nav
Black
Good Lights
& a few other things they wanted $85k on the road.

I am very happy I bought my 09 TDV6 SE with diff lock when I did.

Significant amount of money less (could by a new 4 cyl car).

Regards

Chuck

[Neil P]

Take a look at the pre-salestax US prices vs. the pre-sales/import/state tax prices here. ( LandRover USA site ) . We're getting totally screwed
by LRA , who don't offer free service or non-business finance either.

Land Rover US - LR4 - Overview (http://www.landroverusa.com/us/en/Vehicles/LR4/overview.htm)

[Graeme]

I am very happy I bought my 09 TDV6 SE with diff lock when I did.

I'm starting to think that I may have shot myself in the foot when I passed-up the opportunity to get one while LR was offering good discounts. I'll know for sure before too long.

[AnD3rew]

LR do screw us here, but they are not alone, all of the major cars partiiculalry at the top end are very overpriced here in comparison.

I have it on good authority that BMW Australia has the highest margins of any country in the world.

I also am very happy that I did a great deal on my TDV6 SE in June this year. I may buy a D4 at some stage but not until the bugs have been worked out and probably when they are doing a mid model update and they are running out the current model.