help with firewall please

[marcello]

hello,

i would like to know what the difference is between a series 2a and 3 firewall.

i need to replace my firewall due to damage on my 2a but i want to know how to identify them when not in a car and fitted with plates ect. any help would be great thanks. mr

[The ho har's]

I assume it is a civey one


Mrs ho har:angel:

[marcello]

yes it is a civey one.

i am looking at a fire wall on the net that claims to be a series 2a but it has a different wiper motor on it and different steering wheel too. ( the wiper is a cable operated type and the steering wheel looks later than series 2a) i dont know what to make of it. thanks

[The ho har's]

I just happen to have some here will be back shortly;)


Mrs ho har:angel:

[JDNSW]

Series 2/2a firewalls are easy to identify - they have the open steel glove boxes and centre instrument panel. Series 3 does not.

There are differences within Series 2/2a, the biggest difference being 1967, when the wipers changed from separate motors to cable operation - this change required the cover on the LH glovebox for the wiper motor, the hole in the shelf above it for the cable, and the deletion of the wiper motor holes in the windscreen and add them to the top of the bulkhead. There are various other changes over the years as well, including changes to the panels below the instrument panel, but with all of these changes it is quite feasible to either modify the bulkhead to be the same as the one you are replacing, or modify the other bits to fit in with the new bulkhead.

John

[The ho har's]

1978 S3

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/1148.jpg

1973 S3

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/1149.jpg

the series 2a firewall is a bit unrecognizable

hope this helps or PM me the ebay listing and I will look there

Mrs ho har:angel:

[marcello]

thank you for such a quick response. it seems that this one on the net is not the same as mine then as my car is a 65 model and i dont really want to change something that is hard to find and usefull to others who may need it. you say you have some firewalls? would you be interested in selling any?

[The ho har's]

They are all attached to complete or nearly complete vehicles so no unfortunatly for you;)


Mrs ho har:angel:

[marcello]

thats cool. thanks anyway. if you here of any thing please let me know. a tree fell on my landy and damaged the top of the fire wall. nothing lines up how it should any more and i can not fold the windscreen down or properly close the vent flaps. its a real pain as it my daily driver.

thankyou for your help all the same. M.R.

[series3]

If you landy is a '65 then it will look something more along the lines of this, a '71.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/1085.jpg

[rangy01]

Hi Marcello!
I see you are in Vic. I have a 70/71 firewall, it is the same as the 2A one you spoke about earlier as it has the wiper motor in the left hand end of the dash and cable operated wipers. It is in good condition everywhere except for one footwell (Easy replacement). No rust near hinges etc. It is for sale and you are welcome to have a look to check out differences etc. I'm in Vic near Ballarat.
Cheers Andy.

[marcello]

thanks andy.

sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. i am really after the fire wall that does not have the wiper motor in the dash left hand compartment, the early type. thankyou any way though, very nice of you to offer.

M.R.

[marcello]

hi again.

is there some one who can cleary explain the difference between a series 2a four and six cylinder firewall?

i have been looking for a good four cylinder 2a firewall but i think some i see may be 6 cylinder. thanks in advance.

[Shonky]

This is a Series III one but the identifiers are the same...

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk188/670719/Old140art2icle.jpg

Note the sloping panel forward of the gearlever. On 4 cylinder models this panel is further forward and vertical.

It is worth pointing out that 6 cylinder firewalls for a Series IIa are relatively rare - the 6 only came out in 1967 and Series IIa production only lasted until 1971 - a run of only 4 years. I am lead to believe that the 6 pots were also less popular than the 4.

Four cylinder firewalls ran from 1958 to 1971. ;)


PS - I think the cable operated wipers came out in 1967 (or was it '68?) as well, so if you are looking for non-cable firewalls (ie: twin lucas wipers) then that pretty much does you out of the 6 cylinder firewall market anyway!

[JDNSW]

Correct Andrew. The most easily picked way to distinguish the four and six firwalls is that the panel in front of the gear lever is vertical in the four and well in front of the front door edge, where on the six it has a slight slope and is only just in front of the door edge.

The cable operated wipers came out in 1967.

Less than 5% of Series 2a were six cylinder, although this percentage may have been slightly higher in Australia, so six cylinder firewalls will be much less common. For the Series 3 there was probably a much higher proportion in Australia, particularly considering that the Army ones were all sixes, and this was as sales were cut into by the Japs.

The firewall designed for cable operated wipers can be used with windscreen wipers mounted on the windscreen simply by blocking off the holes. If you are a purist, these would have to be welded up, but simply using rubber blanking plugs would be in keeping with Rover practice for other unused holes.

John

[marcello]

thanks for the help guys. it all makes sense.

i was wanted to be sure before part with cash and organise picking up a replacement.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

hi again.

is there some one who can cleary explain the difference between a series 2a four and six cylinder firewall?

i have been looking for a good four cylinder 2a firewall but i think some i see may be 6 cylinder. thanks in advance.Not that it is a definative answer and JD has described features of the firewalls well, however the original colour on most 6 cyl from 1968 onwards was a light yellow/cream colour where bronze green firewalls are almost exclusively 4 cyl.

The colour (or is it shade) grey isn't much help as there were both 4 and 6 cyl with the grey colour.

[Slunnie]

Hmmm, my 6cyl IIa with a really good firewall etc is just sitting down in the paddock at the moment. You lot are making me think I should bring it up to the house and cover it over!

[Shonky]

the original colour on most 6 cyl from 1968 onwards was a light yellow/cream colour where bronze green firewalls are almost exclusively 4 cyl.

The colour (or is it shade) grey isn't much help as there were both 4 and 6 cyl with the grey colour.

Interesting point! I hadn't thought of that but it makes sense... :)


Hmmm, my 6cyl IIa with a really good firewall etc is just sitting down in the paddock at the moment. You lot are making me think I should bring it up to the house and cover it over!

Yes! ;) And you should buff it up, give it some rego and take it to some shows!

[akelly]

I thought my SIIA shorty ute had a 6 cyl firewall - but it doesn't look like the one in that picture. Mine does not have the strip between the trans tunnel and the firewall and the firewall is vertical, not sloped. It looks original to me, but the car has had a resto by a PO sometime ago so its hard to say. The problem I have with it is that the firewall protrudes so far back into the cab that the heater (shin burner type) wont fit between the gearstick - also the hand throttle I have wont fit because it sticks out past the "dash". Anyone have any idea what firewall I have?

Cheers,

Adam

[isuzutoo-eh]

The 6 cylinder vehicles, if optioned with a heater, had the thin, square shaped one. The 4 cylinder jobs had the round type, which are deeper.

[Shonky]

Post up a pic, Adam. ;)

[JDNSW]

I thought my SIIA shorty ute had a 6 cyl firewall - but it doesn't look like the one in that picture. Mine does not have the strip between the trans tunnel and the firewall and the firewall is vertical, not sloped. It looks original to me, but the car has had a resto by a PO sometime ago so its hard to say. The problem I have with it is that the firewall protrudes so far back into the cab that the heater (shin burner type) wont fit between the gearstick - also the hand throttle I have wont fit because it sticks out past the "dash". Anyone have any idea what firewall I have?

Cheers,

Adam

It is most likely one (either four or six) that has been modified in a previous incarnation to fit some non-standard engine.

John