New TD4 question

[Roadrunner]

Hi,

I'm looking for something to replace my Disco1 tdi and had a look at the soft roaders. So far I have driven a Outback diesel / Peugeot 4007 diesel / Land Rover TD4 E. I love the 6 speed auto Peugeot. This engine and gearbox is the best I've driven but $55K and a lot of plastic at the back does not look so good. Outback is very car like and I don't think I can hook up the trailer and go in the bush to get some firewood ( only have to do this 2-3 times a year).
The Freelander drove very nice and the car felt very solid also I was wondering where those 400NM are gone compared to the 380NM of the Peugeot it felt very different. The only thing I haven't driven is a Nissan X-Trail diesel. Must be a manual as the auto has limited towing and the gearbox seems weak.

Freelander was quoted at $46K and Nissan $40K. The boot in the Nissan is way bigger but the car feels cheaper.

It should be the family car and tow once or twice a year the 1t camper trailer and a few times getting wood or gravel or something. I'm just wondering about problems and lifetime of the Land Rover. The Nissan is $5K cheaper and re sale value might be better as well. Won't be able to drive a Nissan as there are no diesels at the dealer and I have only a few days left to buy a car (tax break).

I know this is a Land Rover forum and you can't say anything good about the Nissan but I'm interested in your expirience with the Freelander.

Matt

[101RRS]

Something wrong with the price of the Freelander - more like $55K - $65K on the road.

Garry

[Roadrunner]

No. $46K for the TD4_E, list price is $51K (manual only) SE would be around $56K

Matt

[reklaw47]

I have had my white TD4 SE (with sunroof) for 2 months now. Having owned 7 previous Land Rovers including Series 1,2 &3, 3 Range Rovers and the last one a Discovery V8, I was a little concerned about downsizing (especially to my first diesel). So far it's all positive; great performance and handling; quiet (for a diesel); comfortable. Off road ability was the reason for not choosing an audi or X3 (apart from the price/equipment level difference) ; the LR2 is roomy and will tow my 16' caravan. It ticked all the boxes for me. The Nissan and Outlander weren't in the mix because of tow capacity and noise levels. Peugeot is an outlander in disguise as far as I can see. Not sure what you mean re auto being weak; I tow every week and I wouldn't have a manual in a fit:twisted:; the 6 speed FL2 auto is brilliant. Of course it had nothing to do with the fact that I just like Land Rovers.....I know it's a sickness https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/12/543.jpg Resale value seems always to be an issue with LR's but I'm prepared to wear that for all the above reasons. Buy a FL2 for goodnes sake!
Rob

[Roadrunner]

The Peugeot auto was the best I've ever driven. It shifts gears at 1500rpm and the car just PULLS like a train.
After spending most of my time at the moment reading about the different cars I will throw the Mitsubishi Challenger in the mix. Ladder frame, Triton 2.5L only 5 speed but all reviews seem really good. Not sure about the pricing. Problem will be to drive one in the next few days as I'm sure there is non in Tassie.

Matt

[justinc]

Hi Matt,

If you are looking at a Freloader, then the FL2 is about the best one so far by a long way. Plenty of happy FL2 owners on here, even been up the cape IIRC!

Can I look at your SRS after the holidays? I'm back on the 4th.

JC

[reklaw47]

The 2 reviews i've read on the challenger both picked up on the engine/transmission noise levels, some 'flaring' on gear changes and road noise in cabin. Equipment levels are good though and they look pretty. IMHO diesel mitsubishi's seem a little agricultural. My son has an Pajero NS Exceed and it is far noisier (engine and road noise) than the FL2 TD4.
Maybe peugeot have done more work on noise levels in the 4007.

[Roadrunner]

As long as it's not as agricultural as the new Defender I drove on the weekend ;-)
Liked the fact of low range on the Challender and that it's much bigger. Will it be better with noise as the tdi Disco.
If I have 1.5t on the back of the Freelander and stop in my steep driveway to open the gate how do you get it going again ? ( Maybe I should leave the gate open ;-) )

Matt

JC: Can wait. Have to fix it before we sell it. Or if we can't find a new car you have to fix this drive train

[reklaw47]

I forgot to say my other son has a TD5 defender.....now that IS agricultural:p.(sorry 'fender lovers). As far as having low range... I tried our 1600 kg van on the back of the FL2 last week...no problems from a standing start up our fairly steep drive. Pulled better than the D2 v8; not sure about highway overtaking speeds yet.
Rob

[inside]

Put me down a s a happy FL2 owner. 42000km now and no rattles or strange noises and everything is still bolted to where it was when I bought it.

[Roadrunner]

Hi,

it was very close between the Freelander and the Mitsubishi Challenger. We ordered a Mitsubishi a few days back.
The FL was more car like (which was good) and the gear box was better but the Mitsubishi is 20cm longer and we can have it as a 7 seater (for driving around those inlaws when they visit) also has low range and ladder frame.
Downside of the Mitsubishi is only 5 speed gear box (also 5th is very long) and weight. With over 2t it's not a race car. We could only drive the manual so far but ordered a auto (can still change) but only the auto is available as 7 seater.
So this week we can drive an auto and pick a colour.

Matt

[nosliwedaw]

Put me down a s a happy FL2 owner. 42000km now and no rattles or strange noises and everything is still bolted to where it was when I bought it.

Another happy FL2 owner here, wish I could say the same about no strange noises or rattles. I have a clicking in the front driveshafts(been to the dealer, CV's need replacing) There is a creak from the steering rack under brakes around corners, clunk from the rear, numerous rattles, a new scraping noise from under the car, turned out to be a slightly bent heat shield rubbing on the driveshaft(no I didn't bottom it out).

Back to the topic, the 4007 has the same engine and gearbox(scratch that, the 4007 has a twin clutch gearbox(aka VW DSG) as FL2, so the feel must all be down to tuning.

En joy the Starwagon, should be a good honest truck.

[Roadrunner]

The 4007 was an auto and the FL a manual. I was soooo impressed with this auto. It just felt as it had more power than you need as the FL felt like it's just enough and the Challenger like it's missing a bit (but it has the extra weight as well).

Matt

[nosliwedaw]

The DSG type autos do seem to get the best out of an engine, however they aren't all that suited to off-road and towing. Even VW put a conventional auto in the tiguan as the DSG caused issues with overheating off road.