3 Amigo's after 220k..

[Ean Austral]

Gday All,
Well they finally appeared after 220,000kms, whilst the daughter drove here drunk dad home last night, then this morning after reading all about the 3 little buggers, start the car and they're gone..
The car has been driven about 100ks today and still haven't re-appeared.
Went to plug in the nanocom, but it wont link to the new laptop with windows 7..

Is this a common thing for them to come and go or am I just lucky..

Thanks and Cheers Ean

[midal]

Ean

Can only speak from my own experience but yes, they came sporadically with my D2 (180k's). First it was one or two very quick visits then slightly more often and hung around longer but always disappeared when the car was turned off and back on again. A couple of times they hung around for a while and would not go away for extended periods.
In all such events however, the brakes worked as normal, I even tried a couple of emergency stops when safe to do so just to test them, no problems, even felt the pulsing.
They would come at any time, soft braking to turn corners, cruising the highway at the speed limit, even when in car parks.
Eventually went away all together and I haven't had a visit for a few months.
Sort of like some of the annoying people you meet in life at times:p

Cheers
Mick

[LandyAndy]

Hi Ean
You can read/clear the faults without your laptop.
With the ignition on the run position with engine off.
Disable instrument mode
use the side arrow key to find Disco Slabs
press the ent key
Nanocom should ask do you want to read fault codes ent for yes
it will list them 1 at a time,at the end it will ask if you want them saved.
one more press of the side arrow should ask if want to clear.
I checked one yesterday for Taz,shuttle valve fault intermittent 254 times,he had 3 amigoes once.
Goodluck
Andrew

[sniegy]

Hi Ean,
I had this problem with my vehicle at or around 250/260k Km's.
I found it was a dirty connection at the connectors from the wheel sensor in the engine bay. They are a pain to disconnect as they have from memory a double o ring to keep clean. I found one of the terminals starting to go green....I cleaned this terminal & did all 4 sensors & never had the problem again. It may be a sensor that has died or a broken wire, the new sensors are now a one piece unit that goes directly from the hub to the SLABS ecu behind the glovebox. It gets rid of this connection that can sometimes be a problem.

Cheers:D

[Ean Austral]

Hi Ean
You can read/clear the faults without your laptop.
With the ignition on the run position with engine off.
Disable instrument mode
use the side arrow key to find Disco Slabs
press the ent key
Nanocom should ask do you want to read fault codes ent for yes
it will list them 1 at a time,at the end it will ask if you want them saved.
one more press of the side arrow should ask if want to clear.
I checked one yesterday for Taz,shuttle valve fault intermittent 254 times,he had 3 amigoes once.
Goodluck
Andrew

Gday Andrew,
After alot of stuffing around I just did what you said, and I had the exact same reading..Intermit shuttle v/v fault 254 times..

Now I need to just spend some more time playing with it and learn more about it

Thanks and Cheers Ean

[LandyAndy]

Hi Ean
I wonder if the Slabs computer can only count to 254:D:D:D.
Tazs D2a had 254 counts on the shuttle valve,Ive had 254 counts on a rh front speed sensor in the past and cleared a 254 cout on a lh rear speed sensor yesterday on mine.
A tip to keep the shuttle valves in order,regularly find a steep hill,even bitumen and use the HDC.I do mine every couple of weeks.
Goodluck
Andrew

[Ean Austral]

Hi Ean
I wonder if the Slabs computer can only count to 254:D:D:D.
Tazs D2a had 254 counts on the shuttle valve,Ive had 254 counts on a rh front speed sensor in the past and cleared a 254 cout on a lh rear speed sensor yesterday on mine.
A tip to keep the shuttle valves in order,regularly find a steep hill,even bitumen and use the HDC.I do mine every couple of weeks.
Goodluck
Andrew

Hey Andrew,
Was thinking the same thing maybe it runs out of things to count at 254 so it looses count and needs to start all over again :p
Mine also had something about the rear height level but its a coil sprung car so not sure about that.
Will need to read the manual alot more as the car is due to get the brake fluid changed so I have read you can do a power bleed using nanocom.

That should be interesting, they sure are alot different to boats, I changed the fuel press reg the other day, and was due to clean the inlet manifold, so did them both at the same time, glad I didnt try and do the FPR with the manifold on, think I might still be there.

Im used to manifolds and engine blocks you can get your hands in, not these ones where you need a 10y/o size hand..Oh well its all fun and good to learn.
Getting on the big Silver Budgie tonight, so have a happy and safe new year and catch up when we get back..

Thanks and Cheers Ean

[Rosscoe68]

no-one heard of binary counting, 0 to 254. its computer speak. sounds to me the amigos show when the binary counter runs out at 254. i figure this is why i get the amigos show up more often in long trips than short trips. each time the alarm is set it resets the slabs ecu . but on a long drive theres more chance of hitting 254 faults in 1 drive.

[Zute]

Yep, when ever Ive had the fault appear, its 254 times. But I'm sure it done it without the car moving.

Ean, run the power bleed with the Nanocom, with your foot pressing hard on the brake pedal. Do this two or three times. Than run the test on each wheel, again pressing hard on the brake pedal.
It will make a God orfull noise and push back against your foot.
This activates all the ABS valves and will move the fluid and hopefully bleed any air out of the modulator.

[carlosbeldia]

Hi there! I have these 3 amigos in my Defender 2001 from a month ago, It doesn't go and ABS is not functional. Nanocom keeps informing that pump is not responding. However, pump used to make a very loud noise until I tried to purge the system with power bleed a lot of times without pressing the pedal. Do you think this could have damaged the pump? how can I confirm ABS pump is not more useful?

[Hamish71]

Hi Ean,
I had this problem with my vehicle at or around 250/260k Km's.
I found it was a dirty connection at the connectors from the wheel sensor in the engine bay. They are a pain to disconnect as they have from memory a double o ring to keep clean. I found one of the terminals starting to go green....I cleaned this terminal & did all 4 sensors & never had the problem again. It may be a sensor that has died or a broken wire, the new sensors are now a one piece unit that goes directly from the hub to the SLABS ecu behind the glovebox. It gets rid of this connection that can sometimes be a problem.

Cheers:D

DOnt suppose you can tell me precisley where is plugs into the ecu?

[biggin]

DOnt suppose you can tell me precisley where is plugs into the ecu?

Connector C0505 - see your other post.;)

[greg8049]

hi all i am a newby here..i also have the three lights on ...got told it was abs unit..$1500 to replace with second hand unit....or $3000 for a new one....can some one tell me am i getting ripped....is there something i can do to check wireing or someting....i am mechenicaly minded so not a prob to get hands dirty...Please HELP

[trev]

Try site...Land Rover - Parts, Accessories and Information (http://www.roverparts.com/Techtips/Shuttle_Valve_Switches_Proc.cfm)

Worth a try,bad connections can bring up modulator faults and lead to spending big dollars maybe that are not needed.
Also, Landrover Technical Information..."Troubleshooting ABS/HDC/TC Warning Lamp Illumination. No.70/07/04/NAS issue 1 28 OCT 2004

[strangy]

hi all i am a newby here..i also have the three lights on ...got told it was abs unit..$1500 to replace with second hand unit....or $3000 for a new one....can some one tell me am i getting ripped....is there something i can do to check wireing or someting....i am mechenicaly minded so not a prob to get hands dirty...Please HELP

You are only getting ripped off if you can do it yourself but couldnt be bothered. If you or your mechanic has just looked at the readout from the diagnostic and done nothing else, then you could well pay $1400- $2900 more than you need to.
There is all of the information you need and tests in the dozens of Amigo threads.

A search and also checking out the Good OIl will assist with detail from here. The following will set you down the right path.

Lights that do not reset are associated with a sensor fault.
Lights that reset with ignition are associated with the modulator. Commonly the Shuttle Valve Switch.

Note " associated" Not always the exact fault. Check all earth points and all plugs first.

Dont buy a new SVS, Sensor or modulator, until you know this to be the fault.
You have one of the following.

1/ Failure of the Shuttle Valve Switch. Basic test can be done in situ but a full test requires removal from the modulator & Test with a multimeter as per the excellent tutorial. Time = 1 hour with helper to support Modulator.
2/ Built in circuit fault from Wabco. Follow the tutorial again and spend about $15 for permanent fix. Time = 1.5 hrs. It is quite easy but Note: if you cant wire up spotties, dont touch.
3/ Simple bit of corrossion beginning on the SVS plug to modulator solenoid block (the plug has a seal but is not perfect). Test as per 1/ after cleaning.

None of these fixes require bleeding or opening of any circuit.

Now if the Amigos dont reset with ignition you will need diagnostics to steer you to the associated sensor. This could be caused by the plug, sensor or even hub.

Cheers.

[trev]

Yep! spot on!

Trev.

[Andrew D]

Fans of 3 Amigos

Had a look through the good oil etc and the step by step guide from the VI and option B has two connections to earth. (photo 44)

Is this right and therefore does it work for all the right reasons.

Can anyone on this forum say they have actually said successfully adiós (and good riddance:bat:) to the three amigos. (without wasting a truck load of cash and time).

Regards
Andrew

(my mates reset with the ignition and report the SVS is knackered)

[strangy]

Fans of 3 Amigos

Can anyone on this forum say they have actually said successfully adiós (and good riddance:bat:) to the three amigos. (without wasting a truck load of cash and time).

Regards
Andrew

(my mates reset with the ignition and report the SVS is knackered)

Yes!!!!!!!

Twice!!!!! on mine and my sons.

[Rosscoe68]

yes!
no amigoes since the $15 bypass option installed on my D2 for near 12 months now.

[strangy]

Fans of 3 Amigos

Had a look through the good oil etc and the step by step guide from the VI and option B has two connections to earth. (photo 44)

Is this right and therefore does it work for all the right reasons.


Regards
Andrew

(my mates reset with the ignition and report the SVS is knackered)

The picture shows 1 earth only and the other spliced into the yellow/green wire.

[Andrew D]

Correct me if I'm wrong but last time I checked the yellow and green wire is the earth. Well it is with regards electrical wiring. Just have a look inside the power points and light switches in your house (provided it's not to old). (or best yet look on the web).

There's definitely two earths which makes me think you are just shorting the system.

Appears as the Virgin Islands originally put this article together so I have also asked them for a explanation.

Regards
Andrew


The picture shows 1 earth only and the other spliced into the yellow/green wire.

[Rosscoe68]

the wiring for this is to shortcut the original wiring that goes into the ABS housing, then through the stupid connector that plays up into the butterfly switch then back through stupid connector and ABS housing and out to wiring loom eventually to earth. the shortcut simply goes directly to the butterfly switch and then to earth. no doubling of earth. infact you are taking out of play the original earth wiring.

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

I had it come up a couple of times after I bought the D2a but fixed it with a high pressure clean on te calipers. Occasionally excess brake dust can build around the sensor and exciter reducing the sensors pickup strength.
Since doing that, no problems at all even before replacing front rotors and pads.

Cheers

Andrew


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[strangy]

Correct me if I'm wrong but last time I checked the yellow and green wire is the earth. Well it is with regards electrical wiring. Just have a look inside the power points and light switches in your house (provided it's not to old). (or best yet look on the web).


Regards
Andrew

House wiring colours and vehicles have very little in common. (excuse the pun)

But if you want to call any green and yellow wire on a vehicle, earth......go right ahead.
You are not obliged to accept what others have done either. If you disagree with the fix, find something else and let us all know.

cheers.

[discolaw]

Opinions on this forum pretty well convinced me my amigos issue was SV related so have just done the V.I./hummer solution over the weekend, option B. Actually my son did most of it, handy as his day job is a m. mechanic for a toyo dealer. After researching the prob. he thought option B made sense. Early days but amigoes have not reappeared, before they were needing to be cleared on an almost a daily basis. Hopefully I will have the permanent success Strangy & others have had.
Cheers
Discolaw
2004 D2a td5 auto

[Andrew D]

Can confirm the earth wire in vehicles are not yellow and green. Relates to house (building) wiring. The earth wire although for both building and vehicles do look the same.

When you do option B what are the chances if the modulator starts leaking break fluid from the underside of the unit or somewhere not visible, you are not aware because of the bypass. Would the bypass prevent you from finding oil leaks.

I have seen one other post, may have been on the VI site, where a modulator was removed and there was a break fuild on the underside putting a great bubble effect on the paint work.

Regards
Andrew

[discolaw]

When I removed the SV I had a good look for excess fluid signs but was clear. Can't see SV removal causing leaks, but may reveal existing leak. Not sure about the bypass preventing discovery of a later leak, hopefully somebody more expert can help on that.
Cheers
Discolaw