Y62 patrol

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Originally Posted by Tombie

They claimed much the same with the D4 vs the Toyota V8. On paper the D4 doesn’t have it.

In the real world the D4 flogs the 200..

One thing I would like to see is the dyno figures from both D4 and Y62..
More about driveline losses and how the power is put down vs outright paper figures.

I’ve driven the Y62 and it’s a nice bus...

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Harrop developed a supercharger kit for the y62. They did a base line chasis run before any mods and the car produces 230kw at the wheels and 454nm. Id imagine they'd want rhat number to look as low as possible to make there gains look good so ill take it as being a accurate dyno figure.

Nissan Patrol Y62 VK56 V8 | Harrop Supercharger Kit - YouTube

Thats still 50kw more at the wheels than the d4 has at the engine. Its therefore simple maths; the patrol will always pull a lot harder than the d4!

As for torque: 500nm at 1600rpm with max torque at 4400rpm of 560nm and 400hp makes it a absolute power house of an engine. Do you have to rev the tits out of it to use its power? No! Most blokes never see over 5000rpm and it red lines at 680prpm.

From 1nado:

A naturally aspirated v8 petrol doesnt really have that much that can go wrong. A turbo, injectors or pump failure over time in a diesel would pretty much make the running costs a lot closer than what people claim and often forget about.



This. [emoji106]

The thing people seem to/like to forget. The actual running costs for an average of say 20,000k per year draw much closer when you are take into account service costs including the first time a turbo goes tits up.

The auto box in the RR would concern me. I would look seriously at the Patrol for a tow vehicle of very heavy loads. Sounds like a good thing. Having said that if I were towing grey nomad style day in day out I would go a diesel for running costs and just hope that the turbo(s) hold in.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Eevo

so ur saying the more power = larger rev range = can drop back a gear and get more torque by a better gear ratio?

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Pretty much. Low down torque is essential only if you run out of gears to get the revs up into the power band, e.g. as you get in high range. In a D1 300TDi for example you have to sometimes engage low range to get moving up a slope and change to high range once you're rolling, because low down engine torque just isn't there. Once it's in boost land it's OK.

1nando, you need to look more [emoji6]
That Dyno run wasn’t at the wheels [emoji6]

You know what I was surprised about though, it’s towing and GVM....

It would be a struggle to take the family away in the Y62 and tow a 3.5t van...

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Originally Posted by Tombie

1nando, you need to look more [emoji6]
That Dyno run wasn’t at the wheels [emoji6]

You know what I was surprised about though, it’s towing and GVM....

It would be a struggle to take the family away in the Y62 and tow a 3.5t van...

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I can't take my family away now with my rangie due to gvm![emoji46]

Simples! Smaller van, or smaller family [bigrolf]

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Originally Posted by Vern

I can't take my family away now with my rangie due to gvm![emoji46]

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Well don’t get a Y62 then!!!

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Well don’t get a Y62 then!!!

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A y62 has a proper 7000kg GCM. With a gvm of 3500. Thats a payload of 697kg. I dont see how thats a small tow capacity compared to its competiton.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

1nando, you need to look more [emoji6]
That Dyno run wasn’t at the wheels [emoji6]

You know what I was surprised about though, it’s towing and GVM....

It would be a struggle to take the family away in the Y62 and tow a 3.5t van...

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Hows this one;
MANTA Performance 3" Cat Back Exhaust System: Y62 V8 5.6L Nissan Patrol - YouTube

Standard run; 242 hp at wheels or 180kws at wheels with 366nm before exhaust and tune. Now thats the same power claimed by the disco at the engine. Id love to see a disco run and see how it compares.

Im sorry Tombie but i reckon that if i was to load both vehciles up with 3.5ton and drive them up a long incline that the patrol would leave the disco for dead. When they had the patrol head to head with the 200 the patrol increased speed up hills with ease where as the 200 only mainted speed on the steeper hills and could not increase seped.

Im not bagging the d4. I have no doubt its better offroad and probably a better all round car but the patrol is a hd tow tug with power to boot and probably more reliable. Each to their own but the reason i posted the video originally is because i hold the d4 in very high regard so to see the patrol power up a hill straight past it is impressive; to me at least.

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Originally Posted by 1nando

Hows this one;
[url=https://youtu.be/d58t944RyGI]..... so to see the patrol power up a hill straight past it is impressive; to me at least.

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Firstly, the couple in the D4 obviously weren't in on the deal - they were more than likely shaking their heads at the number of gears the Y62 dropped on the way past, and discussing "fools trying to prove something, while towing a big 'van" - I know I would be if I was in their place! [bigwhistle]

Maybe they even said to each other, "Let's stay as far back from this rev-head as we can, dear". [biggrin]

I know if I was tootling up a hill, with or without a 'van on, and I suddenly tried to race someone else, SWMBO would make her displeasure known in real quick time! :bat: