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    200Tdi on WVO

    G'day guys,

    Something I've been wanting to do with my Defender - before it was my defender was to get it running on WVO.

    As far as building a WVO system goes where should I start? I want a system where I can pump WVO straight into a tank where it is initially filtered (bag) then when it is drawn into the engine it undergoes a series of filters to filter the oil of water and solids until it is heated and combusted.

    How should I design my filtering system? I've seen filters at truck spare stores in sydney that filter the water out of fuel. I can only assume that the viscosity of WVO would bugger those filters up - though if I were to preheat the fuel first would that be a viable option? (I'm not sure what kind of filter they are, though they are not centrifugal).

    Any advice / experience would be brilliant!

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    tar for trouble

    Hi

    If I can get to it I will try and photograph a 200TDi fuel tank that has something adhered to its insides that resembles tar!


    So when this particular Land Rover had it's injector pump jammed full on as result of that tar, it went out of control of it's young driver, sped over a steep drop and rolled reportably seven times!


    They survived in my opinion, because the cab guard for the flat tray and the ARB bullbar held the remains of the cab away with enough space as to not get crushed.

    Cheers Arthur
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrinklearthur View Post
    Hi

    If I can get to it I will try and photograph a 200TDi fuel tank that has something adhered to its insides that resembles tar!


    So when this particular Land Rover had it's injector pump jammed full on as result of that tar, it went out of control of it's young driver, sped over a steep drop and rolled reportably seven times!


    They survived in my opinion, because the cab guard for the flat tray and the ARB bullbar held the remains of the cab away with enough space as to not get crushed.

    Cheers Arthur
    I probably would have used the clutch and breaks... Maybe thats just me - the 200Tdi isn't exactly a high powered / high speed vehicle

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    simple, bag filter 5 or 10micron.
    cold filter at this stage to remove any high temp melting point oils that may catch up with you in the cooler months. (filter for the month you are using the fuel!!)

    two tank system, start on diesel, pollak valve, heat exchanger for wvo (waste veg oil) to bring it up to 30-50degrees. shut down on diesel.

    I have run my 300tdi for the last 3 years without issue.

    key tip: use large diameter piping for the WVO as it does get thick. alternatively use a 'lift pump' to get it from the tank. (don't charge more than a few psi into the IP though!!)

    I have a few pics of my conversion here.


    David

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    pictures

    Hi All

    A couple of pictures showing the damage of the roll over, note where a post nearly got the driver!

    Cheers Arthur
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    sorry, I am a disbeliever.
    when WVO goes wrong it certainly doesn't get 'stuck full on'
    its more like 'gets stuck on the side of the road'

    David.

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    Quote Originally Posted by setsuna View Post
    simple, bag filter 5 or 10micron.
    cold filter at this stage to remove any high temp melting point oils that may catch up with you in the cooler months. (filter for the month you are using the fuel!!)

    two tank system, start on diesel, pollak valve, heat exchanger for wvo (waste veg oil) to bring it up to 30-50degrees. shut down on diesel.

    I have run my 300tdi for the last 3 years without issue.

    key tip: use large diameter piping for the WVO as it does get thick. alternatively use a 'lift pump' to get it from the tank. (don't charge more than a few psi into the IP though!!)

    I have a few pics of my conversion here.


    David
    Thanks mate,

    That's what I've been thinking. What's an IP? I was looking at installing a dieselcraft centrifuge under the bonnet which would require a minimum 40PSI inlet pressure to work. What is the pressure limitation of the fuel pump?

    Alex

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    My grand idea was to allow the oil settle for a few days (2 or 3) then pump the settled oil through a 2 stage filter (cartridge) into the WVO tank. From the WVO tank the oil will be pulled through a lift pump to the bonnet at 40psi. In the bonnet the first port of call would be a heater which would heat the oil to coolant temperature. From there the oil will pass through a Dieselcraft centrifuge which would aid in filtering contaminates roughly 1 micron in size. The oil would then pass through a Racor 1000FG filter which will further clean the oil and the patented AquaBloc additive should be able to filter the elements the centrifuge failed to clean all whilst keeping the Racor element as clean as possible.

    One thing I like about the Dieselcraft units is the water sensor option - which illuminates upon the detection of water in the collection bowl of the centrifuge. From there heated fuel lines would add a few degrees to the final temperature of the oil and to the injectors it goes.

    I will be writing a program that will keep an eye on all temperatures and pressures within the system and send a visual alert to the carputer when something is out of the limits of normal.

    Any comments, thoughts, suggestions? Hopefully this system will push me one step further to driving around the world on chip oil.

    Alex

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    WTF is WVO??

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    waste veggie oil

    basically what you get to turn into bio diesel.


    I personally do not advocate running pure WVO on any diesel, even if it has a dual fuel system one dieso for starting and one wvo for running. WVO is very prone to cold starting problems and running, mixing in as little as 10% dieso helps sort the problems out. (I run fozzy on up to 40% diesel just to help cold running)

    on the money front at $1.20l for dieso IT worked out cheaper to convert to bio once I was over 25% dieso in the wvo.(not counting time just raw resources)
    Dave

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