Thread: Canola Oil, Veggie oil, coconut oil...anyone?

Mate of mine Tony Deamer in Vanuatu makes Coco-deisel.

He swears by it.
i'll get his email for you.

motor-traders@vanuatu.com.vu

As vegetable oil is half the price of diesel in the UK, I have noted on the UK forums that some people are using it without converting it to biodiesel - straight into the tank with various % of diesel mixed in - seems to run OK with performance droppng off with increasing % vege oil but still runs OK - remapping of ECU seems to reduce this. I have seen posts with 75% vege oil and 25% diesel and still seems to run OK. Posters seem to think that if a engine was designed from the start to just run on vege oil it would work - I am a bit sceptical as it would probably continue to run when hot but unlikely when cold - maybe start on diesel and switch to vege oil.

Anyone have experience with vege oil (not boidiesel) in Aust?

Gazzz

Anyone tried

Originally Posted by garrycol

As vegetable oil is half the price of diesel in the UK, I have noted on the UK forums that some people are using it without converting it to biodiesel - straight into the tank with various % of diesel mixed in - seems to run OK with performance droppng off with increasing % vege oil but still runs OK - remapping of ECU seems to reduce this. I have seen posts with 75% vege oil and 25% diesel and still seems to run OK. Posters seem to think that if a engine was designed from the start to just run on vege oil it would work - I am a bit sceptical as it would probably continue to run when hot but unlikely when cold - maybe start on diesel and switch to vege oil.

Anyone have experience with vege oil (not boidiesel) in Aust?

Gazzz

Anyone tried

G'day Gazzz,
Haven’t tried straight veggie oil myself but to the best of my knowledge, you need two tanks to run straight veggie oil and diesel. Apparently the tank holding the straight veggie oil need to be heated so I think I'll stick with converting whichever oil I get to biodiesel, that way I just pour it straight into my tank and if I run low on Biodiesel...I just top-up on petrodiesel... enough to get me home where I can fill-up on Biodiesel

G’day Sclarke, is this your mates email address motor-traders@vanuatu.com.vu?
If so, I’ll shoot him off an email but the cost of shipping only a few 50 gallon drums from Vanuatu to Geelong or Melbourne may make the project unfeasible.
Still, it won’t hurt to try.

Thanks for your views mates, it's early days so lets see what comes up.
Kando...Bill from Corio

Don't know where to get those volumes but a friend who was setting up to make biodeisel was surprised by one of his contacts who bought out all the canola oil at wollies one week when they had it on sale. I can get my hands on 250l of used cooking oil but havn't tried setting the gear up yet.

its getting hard to get anything in drums bigger than 20 litres these days due to too many
compo claims against bad backs from moving the drums around.....

painters cop it the worst as they are now bringing the paint out in 15 litre drums.....
at the same price as 20ltr.....

at work we use oil at a rate of 4 or 5 ltrs per vehicle......we get in 20 ltr drums for the above reason....
the job i got was actually as a replacement for the guy who is off on compo for moving a 205ltr drum........

you may be able to find a bulk supplier and either rock up with your own drums....
or have them come to you and fill your own drums on site.....
just like in the days of oil heating.....when the truck used to come round and fill your
oil tanks at home......

i dont see the large food manufacturers such as white wings etc. getting their oil in 20ltr drums......
i would say they get it by the tanker load......straight to their holding tanks.......

Hi my old 200tdi ran on new veggie oil, now my 300tdi does. the engine takes a bit longer to start, but once started all you notice is the smell of the exhaust gasses(bit like a chip shop).
due to the colder climate in winter here in the uk I add 1 gallon of paraffin to a tank of oil, that thins it out a bit.
I also ran a vauxhall 17d astra on paraffin with engine oil mixture approx 4/1 ratio( smells better).
I was told the old farmers years ago used this mixture as a cheep alternative for their farm machinery.
Is it legal to run on veggie oil in australia ?
In the uk you can use it if you pay duty on it and as its an alternative fuel the tax is as much as the oil approx 35p.although 70p a litre is better than the £1 per litre for diesel.

cheers
Richard

Originally Posted by kie4

Is it legal to run on veggie oil in australia ?
In the uk you can use it if you pay duty on it and as its an alternative fuel the tax is as much as the oil approx 35p.although 70p a litre is better than the £1 per litre for diesel.

cheers
Richard

G'day Richard,

Yes mate, it is legal to run veggie oil in our vehicles, I don't use it because it's still cheeper to buy diesel than to buy veggie oil from supermarkets to turn into biodiesel. For brewing Biodiesel for use in our vehicles we are to register and pay a tax of 38 cents, see below:

Later that year the balance changed. Government-formulated biodiesel standards were put in place, shortly followed by the introduction of a 38 cents excise tax on biodiesel.
"The Government made a commitment that there would never be an excise on biofuels in 1998," says Lake, who is also a shareholder of the Australian Biodiesel Group.
"Then they go and excise ethanol and biodiesel at the same rate as oil."
However there is an out clause. If producers can meet the Government's biodiesel standards they can claim a full rebate of 38 cents, which makes it effectively tax-free until 2011 when it drops to a 19 cent rebate.
Read the full facts here: http://www.abc.net.au/catapult/indepth/s1515906.htm

Once again, Australian pollies prove to us all that any promises they make to us…the people and the employers of pollies …are worthless!

Bill from Corio

Richard
How long did you run bio diesel in your 200 TDI and was it 100% bio?

One bio site I visited advised not to use bio in the TDI's due to fouling of the Injector tips.i.e. a cone shaped build up of crud on the tips as the injectors are placed in the combustion area ( direct injection ).

A couple inputs in this section advise a loss of power using a bio mix. It would be interesting to see the quality controls during manufacture e.g. was it properly washed.

Regards