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    Matt Hawkins Guest

    Post Hydrogen Fuel cell/ Joe cells with Landys

    Hello guys,

    Just wondering, has anyone tried using a Joe cell on their Landy yet.

    I'm in the process of making mine up now, and ready to start trials on my old Serise 2A diesel, then thinking about moving onto my TD5 130 crewcab.

    If anyone does know about the Joe Cell stuff, and orgone energy which has been getting around for the last two years with plenty of blokes starting toplay with it, I'm wondering has anyone tried it on a TD5 yet?

    Let me know if you have.

    Sincerely,
    Matt

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    Ummmmm........

    Joe Cell

    Quote:

    "An operating cell progresses through a series of stages, the first of which is simple electrolysis, the second is referred to as the seeding stage, in which the cell builds up a charge in the water, which eventually reaches a point where the cell will run an engine. There are higher stages that supposedly can be achieved. For example, in stage 4 the cell is said to exhibit antigravity effects that reduce the weight of the vehicle in which the cell is installed. "

    Can you imagine the anti 4wd lobby if we all started flying round the bush, and picking up the kids in flying 4wd's?



    It gets even better:

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    "A conventional gasoline-powered vehicle experiences explosions inside its engine, but a Joe cell-powered vehicle experiences implosions. Therefore the timing must be significantly advanced so the spark occurs during the compression stroke. A running engine will get cold rather than hot"


    Hmmmmm,

    Better not comment, might get in trouble with the swear filter.
    Perhaps start a thread on religion?
    Or those "clone" thingys?
    Or even "energy polarizers"?......

    Amazing.

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    its a crock.....


    I will however acknowledge that there might be some benefit to be gained on a turbo diesel by drafting the output from the cell into the intake in the same fashion that drafting lpg into the intake manifold of a diesel-gas engine works.

    I doubt that the cell would have the output to do it for long tho.
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    Interesting and now curious..

    Interesting, makes you wonder if its a crock or real and the death threats just to add some validation!!

    I would love to see it done and made reliable, even just to put it to the oil companies a bit..... from a dedicated but broke V8 driver

    Probably cheaper than a supercharger, I am looking in to this matter further just for curiosity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stue 3 doors down View Post
    I would love to see it done and made reliable,

    That's apparently the problem.

    You can make a dozen joe cells, before you get on that works. And the ones that apparently do work, are extremely temperamental.
    (apparently they LOVE rover V8's)


    Still, until there's some sort of scientific basis on the production and use of these units, and the whole "ether" theory, I'm gonna sit this one out.


    Now, Nikola Tesla............. there's some interesting reading................if you can find it.

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    I've been looking into a lot of it over the past two months, got some interesting things to consider which are possible, but trials are still needed before anything else comes of it. I've got some files anyone wants to know more.

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    Well depends upon your optimism. On you tube there Jap bloke who has a Toyota Hilux (woops, that's swearing here on this forum) the latest model, efi etc etc, and and he's running a joe cell on his. It works fine apparently, more power and fuel range, so it appears that the CPU seems to adjust itself while reading the amount going into the intake. Still trials have to be conducted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d@rk51d3 View Post
    That's apparently the problem.

    You can make a dozen joe cells, before you get on that works. And the ones that apparently do work, are extremely temperamental.
    (apparently they LOVE rover V8's)


    Still, until there's some sort of scientific basis on the production and use of these units, and the whole "ether" theory, I'm gonna sit this one out.


    Now, Nikola Tesla............. there's some interesting reading................if you can find it.
    Well the basics are, Seamless stainless 316 tube/cylinders, distilled/purified water only, bubbler installation system as a better mouse trap in case of detonation. Stainless cell imperative due to pressure.

    I've seen two 2.4L turbo diesels on you tube running joe cells, but have a PVC set up. Seems to work alright.

    Concerning Tesla's stuff, very interesting, some sites you can get access to, but you have to quickly down load the info onto your hard drive and then onto disc straight away, because you may find that the very next day your data has been hacked into and deleted by those who in high places who don't want you to know the good stuff, due to fear of loss of power and money.
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    A cursory look at information on this suggests that attempts to patent it over the past 25 years in the USA have run into the problem that the US Patent Office requires a working model for any patent that appears to violate the laws of thermodynamics and the law of conservation of mass-energy. Since providing a working model has apparently proved impossible, I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

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    These websites are always hilarious:

    At least fourteen vehicles in Australia have been fitted with different versions of Joe’s energy cells to be driven without fuel nor battery charging. The engine, radiator and exhaust pipe stays cold enough to freeze water – warranting replacing water in the block with transmission fluid. The timing does have to be advanced between 25 and 80 degrees, depending on the type of engine, to allow the engine to run smoothly. The engine’s power doubles over that when petrol-fueled.

    The Joe energy cell is not explainable using conventional mainstream physics. It is not even known if the process inside the cylinders is implosion, explosion, or both. No gasoline is mixed with air inside the carburetor. It appears that zero-point energy is somehow drawn from the ether and converts the air entering the cylinders into some kind of fuel. The inventor claims the process increases the frequency and energy of the air.

    For converting existing gasoline-powered vehicles into self-powered vehicles which don’t require fuel nor battery charging from a local electric utility, adding the Joe’s energy cell seems to offer by far the easiest modification. Nearly the entire engine is left alone. A separate heater would have to be provided since the engine runs cold. The vehicle will not rust, and paint will not oxidize.
    I haven't laughed so hard in ages!!!

    Can someone please tell me what the alternative to "mainstream" physics is??? Loony nutjob physics?

    I find it funny how with all these devices, there are always a handfull of people who have done it and/or have a working prototype. Yet there is never one that can be seen in the flesh.


    No device claimed to operate using zero point energy has been demonstrated to operate as claimed. No plausible description of a device drawing useful power from a source of zero point energy has been given. Thus, current claims to zero point energy-based power generation systems currently have the status of pseudoscience or constitute outright fraud. [6]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

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