Thread: Arts Freedom Australia

Originally Posted by clean32

Garbage is it? go have a look at that some want as a result from this protest and then decide if its what you want in Australia?

see if its garbage or not, or just be dragged around by your blind nose

if you guys think this about paying to take a photo in a national park, then fool you!

Personally couldn't care less about the argument. If I want to take a photograph of something, I will. If I want to take a photograph of somebody, I'll ask first - both as I always have done. No new rules or protests about rules are going to have the slightest impact on how and when I use my camera.

But I was getting a good laugh reading some of the posts in this thread though ............ you can't even find that sort of entertainment on television any more these days.

Hint : maybe if you get your hands on a dictionary and look up the meanings of "defecate" and "armature" you might see the humour in it - but somehow, I doubt it.

Originally Posted by BMKal

Personally couldn't care less about the argument. If I want to take a photograph of something, I will. If I want to take a photograph of somebody, I'll ask first - both as I always have done. No new rules or protests about rules are going to have the slightest impact on how and when I use my camera.

But I was getting a good laugh reading some of the posts in this thread though ............ you can't even find that sort of entertainment on television any more these days.

Hint : maybe if you get your hands on a dictionary and look up the meanings of "defecate" and "armature" you might see the humour in it - but somehow, I doubt it.

ok got it, you don’t care, and that’s up to you.

As for the dictionary, LOL had I not already thanked werdan. my mistake fair cop. But as for you well that’s a different story LOL

well!!!

This is the first time I have read this thread...Slap on the wrist for me!

So while this discussion continues I would like to say that there are some very boarderline comments in this thread on both sides and some mass generalisations as well.

So by all means have a debate, but lets not make it personal please, or you will leave me no choice but to go kungfo panda on yeah

Read carefuly, if you care that is.

"
Mission Statement

What is Arts Freedom Australia [AFA] and what does it stand for?
Australian photographers, cinematographers, artists, writers and musicians (“artists”) are being impacted by restrictive and prohibitive Federal, State and Territory and Local Government legislation and policies.
Recent amendments to regulations unfairly restrict activities and access to national parks and other open spaces that should be freely available for all Australians to appreciate and share.
Arts Freedom Australia [AFA] believes there should be no need for permits or charges (other than entry fees or other charges similar to those paid by the general public) where artists are not requiring any more access, assistance or creating any more impact on the environment than a tourist or visitor.
AFA believes that the only time permits and fees may be necessary is:
When there is a potential for damage to the environment due to the nature and scale of the activity.
Where there is a possibility that the scale or nature of the activity may infringe on other visitors’ rights.
Where access is required above and beyond that which is available to the general public.
Where there may be some conflict with published park values.
AFA aims to advance and protect the freedom of artists to pursue their creative professions, at all times respecting and conserving the environment.
This is being achieved by:
Inspiring and empowering artists to legitimately pursue their creative mediums;
Identifying and addressing unfair hindrances to artists whilst conducting their profession, craft or hobby;
Collecting and disseminating information to keep artists abreast of relevant issues and in particular legislative changes that will hinder the freedom of artists;
Working to make amendments to or repeal legislation and policies that place additional constraints on the legitimate activities of artists.
What is Arts Freedom Australia [AFA] and what does it stand for?
Australian photographers, cinematographers, artists, writers and musicians (“artists”) are being impacted by restrictive and prohibitive Federal, State and Territory and Local Government legislation and policies.
Recent amendments to regulations unfairly restrict activities and access to national parks and other open spaces that should be freely available for all Australians to appreciate and share.
Arts Freedom Australia [AFA] believes there should be no need for permits or charges (other than entry fees or other charges similar to those paid by the general public) where artists are not requiring any more access, assistance or creating any more impact on the environment than a tourist or visitor.
AFA believes that the only time permits and fees may be necessary is:
- When there is a potential for damage to the environment due to the nature and scale of the activity.
- Where there is a possibility that the scale or nature of the activity may infringe on other visitors’ rights.
- Where access is required above and beyond that which is available to the general public.
- Where there may be some conflict with published park values.
AFA aims to advance and protect the freedom of artists to pursue their creative professions, at all times respecting and conserving the environment. This is being achieved by:
- Inspiring and empowering artists to legitimately pursue their creative mediums;
- Identifying and addressing unfair hindrances to artists whilst conducting their profession, craft or hobby;
- Collecting and disseminating information to keep artists abreast of relevant issues and in particular legislative changes that will hinder the freedom of artists;
- Working to make amendments to or repeal legislation and policies that place additional constraints on the legitimate activities of artists."

So what they want is the same as what the public already have. So Joe blog and family happily snapping away with there Harvey Norman camera it’s a non issue.
they use the word Artist in a liberal sense. If you look at the people behind this organization they are all professional photographers. IE they take photos and sell them ( one way or another).

to show how profestional this organisation is thay quote wiki, LOL try handing a first year uni assinement in quoting wiki. or better still try quoting wiki in court and see what happens.

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* The definition of national park that is at the beginning of this article comes from Wikipedia."

so $25 dollars is going to kill your photography business? It looks more like just an administration fee to me and as like every thing else in Australia, insurance is a must so what’s the problem here??

25 bucks, and you are going to a protest over this? Get a life





"The Northern Territory PWS has a system of filming and photography permits. This information comes directly from their website: “If you wish to undertake any commercial or some amateur filming or photography within a Northern Territory Park or Reserve managed by the Department of Natural Resources, Environment, The Arts and Sport you will be required to obtain a permit. … All applications for a filming permit must be accompanied by a current ‘Certificate of Currency” from an insurance company for Public Liability Insurance. The certificate must be in the applicant’s name and cover the applicant for a minimum value of $10,000,000 (ten million dollars) and must cover the dates that you will be entering the park or reserve. Permits will not be approved without the provision of this document. Some Parks and Reserves are jointly managed by Aboriginal Traditional Owners and permits for these may have to be assessed by a board. Please allow for these sorts of delays when applying. A fee of $25 applies to this permit.”

OHH the shame, the poor Queenslanders have to pay $1.50 more than the territories. But wait there’s more. NO insurance required. Well if that’s if there’s less than 10 of you.

So what’s the problem here?

"Queensland –national parks and other conservation-related reserves are managed by the Queensland Parks and Wildlife Service (QPWS). Commercial filming and/or photography in QPWS-managed areas is deemed to be a “commercial activity” – an activity conducted for gain, and requires a permit and the payment of fees. The permit fee for 1 or 2 people involved in either filming or photography is $26.50 per day. There is no application fee. Public liability insurance cover is only required where 10 or more persons are involved in the activity and/or structures are being built. Therefore this insurance requirement would not apply to landscape photographers."

doint be naughty in SA i may cost you 5K, whats the problem then 25 bucks at the many parks offices and your home free.



South Australia – national parks and other conservation-related reserves are managed by the Department of Environment and Natural Resources. Under Regulation 37 (1) of the National Parks and Wildlife (National Parks) Regulations 2001, “A person must not undertake any of the following activities in a reserve except pursuant to a lease, licence or agreement between that person, or some other person, and the Minister or the relevant authority: (a) filming, videotaping or taking photographs for commercial purposes.” The maximum penalty is a fine of $5,000.

They say the most sensible, I think that they mean Free 99.9% of the time


In Tasmania the 19 national parks and over 420 other reserves are administered by the Parks and Wildlife Service (PWS). The Tasmanian park authority has the most sensible photographic policies of any of the state jurisdictions. This is no doubt due to recognition of the positive benefit that editorial and related photography brings to the island state as a vehicle for tourism promotion. The PWS Commercial Filming Guidelines only apply to stills photography that is done for advertising purposes. See Parks & Wildlife Service - Guidelines : “Stills photography which is associated with an advertising agency or is for advertising use, will require approval and a fee will be charged … All other still photography will not require approval.”

As for the rest, its basically an ask first with no real policy and a case by case assessment. this usually means if your a one man band it will cost you nothing.


So it there is nothing to protest against WHAT is the protest about then? a show of support for an organization? To build up the political profile of certain individuals? To promote another agenda or a more controversial agenda. or just the opportunity to reap the benefits from crating a need to stop something which at this time is just smoke.

I can do that

I am now the president of the “Crisis Against Silly Hopelessness”

This syndrome is affecting 60% of the population. Send money NOW

Make all checks out to C.A.S.H for short

ok some passionate views
i dont want to have to pay for photos but at the same time i have thought i dont want someone taking my photo if they are going to publish it without my permission i like taking photos

Seems as though Mr "clean" has successfully done this discussion to an unworthy death with his relentless campaign, and achieved not to much, from a collective perspective, in the process. Maybe it is time to deprive him of his audience and pull the soapbox from under him, and keep a careful watch on any further discussions he may seek to derail. In my opinion it is not in the spirit on this forum or LR owners generally to have to suffer this. I happily acknowledge, with a wave, any passing roverphile, I don't wish people like him to poison this.