Scarey camping

**JDNSW** · 27th June 2009, 11:51 AM

Murder rates per 100,000 per year, most recent figures:-

USA =5.8*
Australia = 1.45
NZ = 2.0
England + Wales = 1.37
Norway = 0.78*
Switzerland = 2.94*
Finland = 2.17*
Colombia = 33*

See [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_rates]List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] But note that the figures given for some countries are probably very unreliable (you can guess which ones), although probably fairly good for all the ones I have quoted.

* means very high private possession of firearms. It is not clear to me whether the high US firearm possession is a cause or effect of the high murder rate, and the lack of correlation for other countries does not strongly implicate firearms.

The lowest figure quoted is 0.47 for Morocco, and you may well be dubious about how good their statistics are. The next lowest are Singapore and Hongkong at 0.48 and 0.49, and there is little doubt that their statistics are accurate.

John

**geckos** · 27th June 2009, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Savanahkelpy

Never has walking away from a situation, in the bush, quietly and quickly, been such a difficult thing to do, as every step sounded like thunder, in my ears.

Gees mate. I know how you feel. Other places in the world you might have to do that but in Australia????????????????????????????

**MacMan** · 27th June 2009, 06:57 PM

Have found a number of funny things out hunting.

I still remember the penny dropping when I saw my first kiddy pool in the middle of the bush, at the bottom of the deepest gully within 3km.

**disco2hse** · 27th June 2009, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by chunk

Yer those sheep can be pretty nasty if you rub them the wrong way

I have only got one thing to say in response to that oh so stereotypical comment

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXO3BF-D-E4"]YouTube - Black Sheep - The Movie[/ame]

Alan

**chunk** · 27th June 2009, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by disco2hse

I have only got one thing to say in response to that oh so stereotypical comment

YouTube - Black Sheep - The Movie

Alan

About time those sheep got there revenge

**clean32** · 27th June 2009, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by chunk

About time those sheep got there revenge

Yep they really doint like losing the more sheep than people tittle to australia

Make you wonder about what the aussies do to them for such a population growth.

**Binford** · 27th June 2009, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by JDNSW

The logic, whether or not you agree with it, is that since the drug guy can be pretty certain you are not armed, even if he is, he is unlikely to attack you, even if you confront him - if he disposes of you, he does not know how many other people know where you are, and the last thing he wants is an official search of the area. If he is armed, and as you say, it is quite possible, it is for the purpose primarily of frightening off competitors who may try to take over his business, or to frighten off innocents. If he frightens you off, there is a reasonable chance that you are so scared you won't go to the police (or he has already bought them). If he kills you there is a high probability of a major search, which is certain to involve people he has not bought, and equally certain to find his plantation. On the other hand, if he knows you are likely to be armed, he is much more likely to shoot first and take the risks.

While some murders of insiders in the drug business may not attract enthusiastic policing, murder of uninvolved people, as with the antidrug campaigner whose name escapes me at Griffith, is almost certain to attract vigorous policing, which in that case closed down the area as a place for drug supply, at least for a number of years.

John

I can appreciate your logic, John. Well put. But only 4% of the population here takes advantage of the concealed carry laws, so the odds of anyone being armed are actually pretty low. So the same thought-process is likely to go on in the American drug guy's head--that is the assumption would be the citizen is most likely unarmed.

But the bad guys just can't know for sure, can they? And how many criminal attacks didn't take place because of that question?

I didn't mean to spoil this thread with a gun debate. Let me just say that if I got cornered in a serious life-threatening situation with no escape, I just appreciate having the means to protect myself and my family. Remember...when seconds count, the police are only minutes away!

Griffith, eh? That's one of the two areas in Australia I have had the privilege to visit! I flew in there on my way to Coleambally where I stayed a few times at a little motel run by a sweet lady named Gwen. So when I picture Australia, that's basically what I'm thinking of. That area and Gatton, a couple hours outside Brisbane.

Cheers....

**chunk** · 27th June 2009, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by clean32

Yep they really doint like losing the more sheep than people tittle to australia

Make you wonder about what the aussies do to them for such a population growth.

Sheep breed a lot better when you don't touch them up

**JDNSW** · 28th June 2009, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Binford

...........
Griffith, eh? That's one of the two areas in Australia I have had the privilege to visit! I flew in there on my way to Coleambally where I stayed a few times at a little motel run by a sweet lady named Gwen. So when I picture Australia, that's basically what I'm thinking of. That area and Gatton, a couple hours outside Brisbane.

Cheers....

Interestingly, I am familiar with Coleambally - a cousin of mine lived there (on a farm) for many years until her death about six months ago. And I have been driving through (although these days more often past) Gatton, on and off, for the last forty-seven years. Also a couple of years ago visited the parents of a friend of one of my grand daughters who are school teachers in Griffith.

John

**clean32** · 28th June 2009, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Murder rates per 100,000 per year, most recent figures:-

USA =5.8*
Australia = 1.45
NZ = 2.0
England + Wales = 1.37
Norway = 0.78*
Switzerland = 2.94*
Finland = 2.17*
Colombia = 33*

See List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia But note that the figures given for some countries are probably very unreliable (you can guess which ones), although probably fairly good for all the ones I have quoted.

* means very high private possession of firearms. It is not clear to me whether the high US firearm possession is a cause or effect of the high murder rate, and the lack of correlation for other countries does not strongly implicate firearms.

The lowest figure quoted is 0.47 for Morocco, and you may well be dubious about how good their statistics are. The next lowest are Singapore and Hongkong at 0.48 and 0.49, and there is little doubt that their statistics are accurate.

John

Having traveled and lived in different countries quite a bit. I think that couture has more to do with the number of deaths rather than the number of guns available. finland has a very aggressive guy type of outlook, this seems to be encouraged by the government under the justification of supposedly being constantly under threat of russia ( history ) this is the same as in russia.
the swiss are just borderline nutters. the only counrty that Nazi germany never risked to invade ( they were going to but the swiss got word of it . it would have been like invading Japan)

even NZ compared to australia. NZ with its underlying battle couture. ( ever seen the documentary " once were warriors"

in short i think that a countries history has more to do with the numbers of deaths. this intern dictates the number of guns and not the other way around.

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