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    Question Classic windscreen wipers stop, drive motor seems okay, help!

    My 1989 RRover has nearly 300K on the clock, and yesterday the windscreen wipers suddenly stopped. Oh, and fuse 7 (15A) is fine.

    The wiper arms stopped in the 'straight up' position and re-activating the switch produced no noise, but an 'electrical burn' smell was evident. Each brief activation of the switch caused a jerk to the right. Of course I only did this a couple times, and removed fuse 7 so that the wiper motor wouldn't burn out while trying to return the arms to horizontal.

    Today of course the 'electrical' smell had dissipated. I re-inserted the fuse and activated the switch briefly a couple of times. Each time I flicked the switch the arms jerked to the right, and a faint electrical smell re-appeared a few seconds later.

    Manually moving the arms back with either ignition ON or OFF doesn't seem possible. I'm guessing that the main linkage arm has somehow jammed at full extension, although I can't imagine how, unless it's just twisted, or there's something in there blocking it.

    I think the drive motor is okay, because the arms are still jerking a bit, as though they being driven while jammed. I also noticed that in the few minutes before failure, the wipers were on 'intermittent' setting, and on each sweep the arms would complete the sweep, then instead of stopping at the rest position, they continued to move upwards approx 15cm, and rest in that position, until the next sweep in the 'intermittent', when they would continue from the 'raised' rest position, complete the full sweep, then again move pass the 'rest' position, and come to a new rest position approx 15cm 'up' from usual. There was a small 'jerk' as they began each new sweep motion.

    Anyway, last time I removed the bonnet it took a while to re-align it, so before I start removing it and the decker panel I decided to check this and other forums (no luck), but still I wonder if there is some other fix - hence this post.

    Is it easy to re-fit the decker panel on a high-mileage classic? Has anyone on the forums ever removed the plastic intake-grille on the front of the decker panel without removing the decker panel and bonnet? Is it possible to get to the main link arm/spindle joint through that hole with the bonnet in the raised position? Or should I just go ahead and take off the decker panel and do the job (more) properly?

    Comments and advice are warmly welcomed.

    I'll post a follow-up whatever happens

    Daen.

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    Hi mate, to get the motor out you do need to remove the decker panel and bonnet. The wiper motor sounds like it is stalling for some reason, weather there is an internal fault with the motor, or a linkage issue. As you have described it, I would bet on a fault in the motor - the fact that the wipers were stopping in a different position suggests the limit switch plate has moved. I am supprised the fuse didn't blow when the motor siezed, and I hope the burning smell isn't terminal. The wiper motor assemblies are fully servicable, so once it's out, pull it apart and see if you can find anything. If it is the linkages at fault, you should find the problem as you pull the wiper motor out. Let us know how you get on.

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    G'day Smukmand

    I would suggest that is is one of the spring clips (there are 4) that attach the wiper arms to the motor, probably the one from motor to arms link,it is probably jammed on the link bracket and overheating the drive motor, you may be able to access it by removing the front valance panel (between bonnet & w/screen) the part No for those clips is (Nut spring "J" type--AK612014) hope that is of some help,

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    You know sometimes a few drops of oil down the spindles at the base of the wipers will do the trick. Give it a try.
    Regard sPhilip A

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    I removed the bonnet and decker panel and immediately found the problem: a torsion bar for the driver-side bonnet hinge lift-assist had fallen out of its plastic clip at vehicle centre and the torsion bar had sprung against the linkage, thereby jamming both wiper arms.

    I removed the plastic centre clips and refit them upside down (thus lifting the arms higher) and before refitting the decker panel I twisted both torsion arms upwards to new positions about 2cm higher than I found them, and back in their factory positions.

    Removing and refitting the bonnet and decker panel is an easy job, but be sure to have a couple of lengths of water pipe handy to slip over the bonnet hinges (on the Vogue they had torsion bars - the bonnet seems so light!!) because you need to wiggle the panel forward from the windscreen along the hinges, and they need to be horizontal to allow forward movement of the panel. The job is best done with three people (one to hold the hinges down while standing a few yards forward of the vehicle, and one on each end of the decker panel. It might be possible for two people if you're both strong enough to hold the hinge down with one hand and move the panel with the other.) Oh, and if you're stuck, long screwdrivers will also serve as hinge depressors

    In my case, I first noticed a 'slightly raised rest position' (although not as extreme as it got immediately prior to failure as described in my original post) back in about 2001, I shudder to think that the linkage was rubbing on the torsion spring all these years, but a huge collection of scratches on the decker panel underside suggests that this is the case. I am surprised that the wiper motor lasted so long.

    When the whole lot was reassembled, I found that stretching the torsion bars had resulted in improved lift assistance, and of course the wipers now work more freely than before. If the wiper motor fails I now know it's an easy job to get in there.

    Oblig nostalgia: While doing this repair I was temped to install an A-pillar mounted manual wiper... I remember driving through storms manually wiping the driver's windscreen of my series IIA, with its 6v lucas system, because the wiper motor on that side worked only when the headlights were switched off At least they still had the manual option back then.

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    G'day smukmand

    Sorry to jog your memory but ALL Landrovers rightfrom 1948 had 12 Volt Electrics,it is just that the early (pre67) had Positive earth and indivdual wipers with a hand park option,it probably had a bad earth

    cheers

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    *UGH* Yes, UncleHo, you're right, thankyou. My memory needs jogging from time to time.

    I remembered 'hand-held wipers', 'odd electrics' and 'Lucas, Prince of Darkness' with that IIa, and my brain jumped to '6 volt is odd' instead of 'positive earth is odd'. I loved that little car... even tho it was odd...

    Thanks for the heads-up, all good!

    Smuk

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