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    Transfer gears me think

    Went offroading today out the back of Liffey Falls in tassie pretty boring apart from finding tracks that have not been driven in ages

    Anyway found a very steep hill so i attack in 1st low not cdl and got stuck halfway so rolled back abit locked the cdl and gave another go and crunch crunch crunch, me thinks cv joint no worries I will roll back on flat and have a look.

    As I get down no more noise so I thought have another go but as soon as power is applied crunch crunch crunch nope give up put in high no cdl all good slight noise (by this time Im thinking TC), get about 2ks no drive at all, lock cdl all good got drive and no noise, about 2ks noise appears so slow down and take my time but coming down a hill (doing 30km/h) all locks up, get out and see my crown wheel on the rear diff tried to get away

    Thought that was it until a mate tried to pull me down on a flat bit of road so we could jack it up, front wheels (both) are locked solid this is with the gearbox and transfer in neutral, so take out front drive shaft and get towed home

    When I got back I put the cdl in and tried to move the car but my rear pinon and cw are no longer friends but the rear shaft did spin but front did not
    Its a lt77 with bw tc what could it be????

    BTW here is the diff


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    rear diff has spat the cross pin and lunched itself, working the vehicle with no rear axle drive and the CDL locked has wound up against the bound up rear diff and is not disengaging.

    If the front axle is cross locked (left to right) there is a chance that its already chewed its pin enough to be binding on the side gears or you've possibly twisted up an axle and locked a side gear to the carrier.
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    Why would the front axle spin freely then when I removed the drive shaft? Thats why I thought tc was gone because front diff was not turning with drive shaft in

    Adam

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    if the shaft to the front diff is turning but it isnt driving youve either smashed the centre gears in the diff centre, or an axle, or a cv, or crown and or pinion, but in experience if found that once you have momentum, you can sometimes get away with damaged crown and pinion gears if you dont accelerate or engine brake to dramatically

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    do some checks for us

    Hi Adam

    What we call steep down here in Tassie, those fellows over the other side would faint at the sight of!

    Do a couple of checks for us and take some notes while you do.
    First with the front and while the front prop shaft is off, jack up one wheel only and spin it a few times around going forward, then repeat in the opposite direction, while making sure the flange for the prop shaft is turning. Take note whether it feels like the turning wheel tightens or grabs, it should be feeling nice and smooth both directions.

    Drop the tailshaft off at the handbrake and with the motor off, the gearbox and the transfer box in gear, the centre diff unlocked, spin the hand brake drum around, again taking note what the front output flange is doing, it should spin freely the opposite way to the hand brake drum and while turning the drum around, does it feel smooth or does it grab?

    Now put the handbrake on and the transfer box in neutral, lock the centre diff and repeat your test, only this time you must turn the front output flange, feel again for any grabbing or tightening and take notes.

    Not much point doing any tests on the back diff as it is fluffed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agrojnr View Post
    Why would the front axle spin freely then when I removed the drive shaft? Thats why I thought tc was gone because front diff was not turning with drive shaft in

    Adam

    in your configuration with the rear diff shot it may be loading up the TCase and its diff is not disengaging.

    When you remove the front prop shaft theres nothing to stop the front diff from turning so it turns again.

    in theory if you havent damaged anything in the front diff you should be able to get self mobile by removing the rear halfshafts, removing the rear prop and driving on the front axle with the CDL locked in.
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    I don't reply to posts, usually, for fear of getting things wrong...
    At the bottom of the original post, it says drive-line is:
    "LT77 with bw tc" - that means a borg warner viscus coupling + chain drive - no centre diff lock (cdl).
    Does this change some of the checks to be made?
    Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by LR4WD View Post
    I don't reply to posts, usually, for fear of getting things wrong...
    At the bottom of the original post, it says drive-line is:
    "LT77 with bw tc" - that means a borg warner viscus coupling + chain drive - no centre diff lock (cdl).
    Does this change some of the checks to be made?
    Michael

    thats also confusing me. if it does have cdl which it sounds like it by looking at the first post. it must be a lt230?

    cheers, andy

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    My bad its lt77 with 230th

    Adam

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    Ok here goes

    Jack up front wheels they spin freely forward and back

    TC
    In gear and tc in but unlocked, turning rear prop shaft front does turn in opposite direction but it does lock up going anti clockwise

    Now hb on and gb and tc in netural I only can turn front clock wise and it sounds clunky but when I go to turn anti clockwise it turns for a bit then locks up

    Hope this helps

    Adam

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