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Thread: Just bought a Schuler 5.0, already have a '73 2-door... what can be swapped?

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    Just bought a Schuler 5.0, already have a '73 2-door... what can be swapped?

    Hey guys,

    I'm new to the Landrover scene and this is my first post on the forums after browsing for a while. I currently have a '67 mini as my weekend toy and drive a twin-turbo '91 Cressida daily.

    Earlier this year I decided that I would like a comfy 4wd to take camping with my mates. So in February after some time spent looking on eBay, I bought myself a 2-door Range Rover fitted with a p76 4.4L v8. Unfortunately I was so blinded by the awesome sound the thing made that I lost all rational decision making ability. It's sooooooo far from roadworthy.

    The 4.4 has extractors, edelbrock carby, loud exhaust and must have a decent cam because the thing absolutely hauls arse even on the 35" tyres it was fitted with. It also looks super tough and absolutely dwarfs my mini when parked next to each other. The mini's roof is level with the Rangie's bonnet.

    The problem is that the gas system is somewhat dangerously backyard, the body is rough as guts (no rust though) and pretty much any modification to wiring or interior was done poorly.

    After careful consideration of my position I decided that I should buy a different Rangie to use as my 4wd project.

    This weekend I put down a deposit on a Schuler converted '83 Range Rover. It's a 4-door with a normal Holden 308 (the brock motor was sold by a previous owner). The Schuler transfer case was also swapped for what I can only assume is a disco unit given the modern appearance of the shifter. I'm pretty sure the auto is the original one though.

    The questions i have relate to swapping anything good from the 2-door into the 4-door to make the best Rangie possible without outlaying any extra money.

    The 2-door has 2" body lift, brand spanking pedders foam cell shocks and 2" lifted springs. I assume that's just a matter of a direct swap. Does anything else need to be modded when fitting raised suspension other than the brake lines being extended?

    The 2-door is manual and has a maxi-drive rear diff locker. Is there anything specific to the '73 model that would prevent me fitting it to the automatic '83 model?

    Can I fit this rear diff to the auto 4-door without also swapping the front diff as well? The reason i ask is because in my experience with other cars the auto diffs are a different ratio to manual diffs. Is this also the case with Range Rovers and how do i determine the actual ratio in mine?

    Which carby would be best for 4wd'ing, tunability and power?... the 4-barrel Holley carb on the 308, or the 4-barrel Edelbrock on the p76 motor? I've been told the Edelbrock is easier to tune, but I was also told some carbs are affected by steep hills more than others.

    At the moment the 308 is in need of a rebuild and has almost no power/compression, so I can't gauge how powerful it will be when completed. I'm very impressed with the 4.4 and if the 308 pulls as hard at it does then I'll be more than happy. The concern is that I might spend a load of cash on the rebuild when i might have been better off spending it on swapping the 4.4 into the 4-door. Has anyone compared the two motors? Which one is better?

    I'll leave the questions there for now. I'm sure I will have more though.

    Thanks in advance for the replies.

    Simon.

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    The suspension should be a straight swap. The rear diff should also be a straight swap but from memory you may need to change a shock mount on the rear depending on the maxi drive rear end.
    I have owned a 4.4 bored to a five litre and it was a great motor but they are getting really old now. It would be less of a hassle to leave the 308 if it is registered with that already and just rebuild it. Parts are cheap and easy to get.
    Use the edelbrock carb with spring loaded needles and seats or better still, find a quadrajet that came standard on a 308.
    I am sure others will have different opinions.

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    Depending on what you are aiming to do with both of them, I would have thought that the '73 will be worth more as unmolested/rust free ones are becoming harder to find. Panels are available to replace damaged ones. The P76 conversion was a cheap option as a good power upgrade. Suspension should swap straight across. I haven't needed to extend brakes lines with only a 2" lift. Rear Diff should be a straight swap. Re internals and gearing it really depends if the previous owner has changed the gearing, but in my experience ratios have been the same regardless of whether they are manual or auto.

    If the 73 has the original LT95 (4 speed manual) then the transfer case is all part of the gearbox, where as the 83 with the auto might have the seperate transfer case. The auto could be any of the following: C4, BW35, Toqueflight 727 or possibly ZF (later 4 speed auto). The last 2 had the LT230 transfer case whereas the first 2 had it incorporated similar to the LT95.

    I have no idea re the carbs you mention. The original ones were the best offroad, the 350 Holleys sucked on hills.

    I see no reason why a bunch of things can't be swapped. There were issues later when threads changed imperial to metric and radius/trailing arms changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amtravic1 View Post
    The suspension should be a straight swap. The rear diff should also be a straight swap but from memory you may need to change a shock mount on the rear depending on the maxi drive rear end.
    I have owned a 4.4 bored to a five litre and it was a great motor but they are getting really old now. It would be less of a hassle to leave the 308 if it is registered with that already and just rebuild it. Parts are cheap and easy to get.
    Use the edelbrock carb with spring loaded needles and seats or better still, find a quadrajet that came standard on a 308.
    I am sure others will have different opinions.
    x2 all the above use the holly as a paper weight or door stop thats all they are good for

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyG View Post
    Depending on what you are aiming to do with both of them, I would have thought that the '73 will be worth more as unmolested/rust free ones are becoming harder to find.
    The '73 might be rust free but there isn't a straight panel on it. The gaurds have been cut for big flares, the lower portion of the rear quarters have been trimmed off for some reason, the roof and right rear quarter have dents where it looks like the car rested on a tree at some stage... The interior is much the same. It's molested.

    Having said that, the driver's seat is actually in good nick.

    It's definitely going to be less of a hassle to leave the 308 in it and would be a shame to split up the Schuler Rangie and it's special motor. It's got stickers on the side that says "SCHULER 255hp 5.0" and a badge below it of a running lion.

    I think the plan will be to swap diffs, rebuild the 308 and fit the Edelbrock to it, put the Holley on my parts shelf, take the suspension components off the white one... and hope i can sell the remaining bits to recoup some coin.
    Last edited by slimsim; 3rd November 2013 at 08:38 PM. Reason: The badge is of a lion, not a horse.

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    I haven't got an Edelbrock, (yet), but apparently there's an "off-road" kit. Parts are easily available for these carbies. And yes, keep the Holden, 'cause parts are so easily found for them as well.
    At any given point in time, somewhere in the world someone is working on a Land-Rover.

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    Thanks for the help guys. If I were to sell the 4.4 engine with gearbox, extractors, but without carby, what would it be worth? Like I said, it sounds mean, pulls hard and doesn't blow smoke.
    The front seats are another thing that looks saleable. What are they worth?
    This forum seems to delete old "for sale" threads so I can't see what people have asked in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimsim View Post
    Thanks for the help guys. If I were to sell the 4.4 engine with gearbox, extractors, but without carby, what would it be worth? Like I said, it sounds mean, pulls hard and doesn't blow smoke.
    The front seats are another thing that looks saleable. What are they worth?
    This forum seems to delete old "for sale" threads so I can't see what people have asked in the past.
    If its the rangie im thinking of , My mate owned it before the guy you got it off got any pics as it sounds very familiar , The gas set up gave it away dodgie dual lpg tanks fitted in the rear ?

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    It lives at a factory I rent. I can get pics when I go down there.
    It's got big orange battery switch behind the gear shifter. Simex stickers on the bottom edge of each door. That's quite distinctive.
    What can you tell me about it?

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    I know it was built for comps and sold a couple of times and the original owner bought it back a couple of times then sold it again , A freind of mine in Maryborough (vic) son bought it only had it about 12 months and sold it he regrets selling it .
    The rover guys in Ballarat had a lot to do with it , That motor is sweet goes realy well that is a understatement it flys
    Went on a few trips with that thing it is a beast

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