five litre conversion ??

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Originally Posted by Dougal

Yes it can and does. It depends on the corner geometry and speed as to whether it spins up the front inside or rear inside.
Given that it switches between front inside and rear inside, it's kind of obvious that trying to put all the drive (2x as much as 4wd) through the back wheels in those situations ain't going to help.



You're not going to make it more reliable by sending 2x as much drive through a standard rear axle with oversize tyres.
If you've spent some big $$ upgrading that 110 rear axle you might.
Fulltime 4wd puts half as much torque through each axle compared to 2wd.

Some light reading on the LT230 upgrades for big power here: I blew up my LT 230 at KOH and it took me out. - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum



I don't have a 2" lift in my 3. I'm special apparently. But since emergency maneuvres have saved my bacon at least twice on road I'm happy with that.
A lift steepens the angles of your suspension links, making for more antisquat in the rear and more antilift in the front. This reduces traction on the front wheels under power.
It also raises your COG and causes more weight transfer under acceleration, braking and cornering. Which makes your problem of picking up tyres much more frequent.



Sorry this must be a difference in lingo between AU and NZ. Here a "wheelie" isn't a burnout. It's picking up the front wheels under power. I'm not sure what Aussies call it.

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sorry, u r correct, and doing a wheelie would take a fair bit more effort, ok

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Originally Posted by yumastepside

Excellent stuff Tebone, does the T230 conversion give me part time 4x4 or 2wd only?? I've often thought about part time 2wd for general road work.
If I change to the Defender 110 rear diff ,does the stud pattern change, and what about the ratios ??.......as far as the power goes,at least with the GMH motor there's no shortage of accessories, etc.......I'll just see how it goes as we go along

Roger

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If you are ok with the extra weight of the 5L then go for it,I have a mate running one in a disco and it goes hard on and offroad.
If however you are concerned about increasing the weight over the front axle then I would suggest going a LS1, alloy, cheap and big hp and good auto options.

As previously mentioned Andrew from Les Richmond Auto is worth a call as he knows his stuff.

If you want 2WD go for it! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and everyones different. A few guys on here will say "why would you ever want RWD?", Now while i understand the benifits of AWD in a RRC when I want it, I would say back to them, "why would you ever want, just AWD?" :D

As for the driveline:

Put the Sals diff in with upgraded axles or one of LRA's new Rover9s if you want max clearance and then you can run in 2WD if you want to.

RWD has its benefits:

1. Being able to use RWD dynos without removing the front prop
2. Ecconomy increase due to not turning all the front gear, varying results depending on who you speak to.
3. Front gear not wearing out.
4. If also using FWH's and you break anything from the tranny forward you can simply disconnect and drive home.
5. If you want RWD fun or if a situation comes up where RWD is desirable on or offroad its just a lever away.

However things to consider:

1.Run in AWD regularily to make sure everything is lubricated.
2. Be carefull running in RWD offroad or on for long periods of time as brinelling may occur.
3.If wanting RWD there is no current off the shelf way to run an ATB centre diff and front prop disconnect (ATB centre reccomended for high hp infront of an LT230) The only way is to run FWH's and as as BUSH65 has suggested elsewear look at upgrading the FWH's with stronger metal if they dont stand up to the HP.I would also keep a set of HD front drive flanges in the spares just incase.
4. Traction will be lost ;)

With a 5L or LS1 I would run full ashcroft gear in the front with the pegged crownwheel and Hy Tough front axles/Flanges.

Good quality uni Joints.

Check with your engineer that all will be good before forking out any money.

Hope this helps.

Good luck with the project.

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Originally Posted by tebone

If you want to play a little bit you can have fun with 2wd.

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Carefull mate, mentioning the fun and 2wd/RWD words around here in the same sentence sets you up for a ton of abuse from a select few guys with diesels overcome with V8 power jealousy calling you everything under the sun. :D

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

RWD has its benefits:

1. Being able to use RWD dynos without removing the front prop
2. Ecconomy increase due to not turning all the front gear, varying results depending on who you speak to.
3. Front gear not wearing out.
4. If also using FWH's and you break anything from the tranny forward you can simply disconnect and drive home.
5. If you want RWD fun or if a situation comes up where RWD is desirable on or offroad its just a lever away.

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You can't have #2 and #3 with #5. You have to pick one or the other.
You also get strange wear on your front prop shaft as it slides in and out in one position in 2wd.

That leaves you with #2 and #4.

Now I understand you have yet to have your vehicle built, let alone running in 2wd.

Here is the thread on Pirate that Blackrangie refers to as "elsewhere": Atlas Tranfer Case - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

These people also need to realise that fulltime 4wd or 2wd are mutually exclusive. Modifying the transfer case to give 2wd removes the fulltime 4wd option completely.
Which makes all your points #1 and #2 below unworkable.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

However things to consider:

1.Run in AWD regularily to make sure everything is lubricated.
2. Be carefull running in RWD offroad or on for long periods of time as brinelling may occur.
3.If wanting RWD there is no current off the shelf way to run an ATB centre diff and front prob disconnect (ATB centre reccomended for high hp infront of an LT230) The only way is to run FWH's and as as BUSH65 has suggested elsewear look at upgrading the FWH's with stronger metal if they dont stand up to the HP.I would also keep a set of HD front drive flanges in the spares just incase.
4. Traction will be lost ;)

With a 5L or LS1 I would run full ashcroft gear in the front with the pegged crownwheel and Hy Tough front axles/Flanges.

Good quality uni Joints.

Check with your engineer that all will be good before forking out any money.

Hope this helps.

Good luck with the project.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Carefull mate, mentioning the fun and 2wd/RWD words around here in the same sentence sets you up for a ton of abuse from a select few guys with diesels overcome with V8 power jealousy calling you everything under the sun. :D

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That's abuse from those who don't like you ripping up tracks and car-parks in 2wd. Never heard of V8 power jealously before. Certainly never experienced it.

I really dont want to push this any further off topic but since ol mate mentioned possibility of wanting a part time kit ill respond to your points.

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Originally Posted by Dougal

You can't have #2 and #3 with #5. You have to pick one or the other.

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Seriously, what the??, you can have all 3 with the RWD converted LT230, not all at the same time off course haha

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Originally Posted by Dougal

You also get strange wear on your front prop shaft as it slides in and out in one position in 2wd.

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Interesting, Maybe if you left it in RWD for extremely long periods, but that was covered in things to consider keeping things lubed.

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Originally Posted by Dougal

That leaves you with #2 and #4.

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No that also gives us #2 and #4

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Originally Posted by Dougal

Now I understand you have yet to have your vehicle built, let alone running in 2wd.

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Whats that got to do with the price of eggs in China, im getting another Rangie built, I allready have a built one. And have owned many more. I also understand you have a new project let along running it in 2WD ?!?

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Originally Posted by Dougal

Here is the thread on Pirate that Blackrangie refers to as "elsewhere": Atlas Tranfer Case - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

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Im glad you posted that link so that people can see good examples of people that post rubbish and get rude just becuase we dont agree with your anti RWDism, That thread was made to help myself and other people such as on this very thread find a strong solution to having a RWD option with the LT230. And yes having RWD is a choice people have the right to make. As said previously above by somebody else, why do you get rude when people dont agree with you?

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Originally Posted by Dougal

These people also need to realise that fulltime 4wd or 2wd are mutually exclusive. Modifying the transfer case to give 2wd removes the fulltime 4wd option completely.
Which makes all your points #1 and #2 below unworkable.

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No it doesnt

http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co...-time-kit.html

It just chages the difflock from being a difflock to engaging or disengaging the front prop. You get AWD or RWD.

Here is a good non biased thread for part time landies http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/land-...onversion.html

For me, as I want to use an ATB centre diff and still have onroad AWD I am investigating getting AVM FWH's remanufactured to stronger specs, I will then have ATB AWD and selecrable RWD when I WANT it. Yes that means all the front gear will be turning but I dont care. As I wont often have it in RWD.

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Originally Posted by Dougal

That's abuse from those who don't like you ripping up tracks and car-parks in 2wd. Never heard of V8 power jealously before. Certainly never experienced it.

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No mate sorry, its just from people that dont understand others have different opinions.. P.S probs 90% of 4x4's in oz have 2WD and I dont see mass convoys of trucks tearing up tracks and tearing up careparks that you seem to think exist. Nearly everyone ive 4b'd with in Patrols, Cruisers and Luxes etc lock thier hubs in beford they hit the hard stuff.

Its seriously not cool to make out that everyone with a part time conversion in a Landrover is an ruining trails and ripping up car parks just to make your point..If people want Part time in thier Landy for ecconomy, fun, better steering, saving parts from wear, whatever reason they can do it, if they dont like it they can switch back, its not the end of the world mate.

But this is getting way off topic, my point is, if people want selectable RWD, thats cool. And if people want to not have the RWD option then thats cool too.:)

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

No it doesnt

Ashcroft Transmissions

It just chages the difflock from being a difflock to engaging or disengaging the front prop. You get AWD or RWD.

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That is not how these work at all. Please go back and read through the thread on Pirate where this was all explained to you many times.

To convert an LT230 to part time 4wd you disable the centre diff. It is not capable of running as a centre diff or full-time 4wd any longer.

To get selectable fulltime 4wd and 2wd you need to retain the centre diff and fit an extra disconnect in the front driveline. To do that you have to keep the LT230 centre diff and fit FWH. Fitting the ashcroft kit you linked to above will not do that.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Its seriously not cool to make out that everyone with a part time conversion in a Landrover is an ruining trails and ripping up car parks just to make your point..

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So what is this "2wd fun offroad" you keep banging on about? Sounds exactly like ripping up parks and tracks. You've even listed "traction will be lost" as a benefit of rwd!

I dont care for any ones reasons for having part time 2wd or 4wd or full time of either.
It is a personal choice for those that want it and certain people should respect others veiws and button up;)
My self i prefer how my oiler landy came constant 4wd thats my choice .
It should not be a battle of wits or twits:p
Back to the topic please:D

Sorry Guys, Its my fault this thread got side tracked. Just want to give some options when doing these conversion. Its good to lay all options on the table.
Dougal, For what its worth I love my RWD.

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Originally Posted by Dougal

That is not how these work at all. Please go back and read through the thread on Pirate where this was all explained to you many times.

To convert an LT230 to part time 4wd you disable the centre diff. It is not capable of running as a centre diff or full-time 4wd any longer.

To get selectable fulltime 4wd and 2wd you need to retain the centre diff and fit an extra disconnect in the front driveline. To do that you have to keep the LT230 centre diff and fit FWH. Fitting the ashcroft kit you linked to above will not do that.

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You must be talking about only onroad, im talking about both,
Selectable RWD or AWD is possible with the LT230, where you can drive it in AWD is another thing.
When you have an ATB in the centre thats not even possible.
Which is why im going with remanufactured FWH's.
Stop being the fun police and mr negative when anyone doesnt agree with you and get out there and wheel.

As said previously its anybodys choice what they do with thier trucks, dont get behind your keyboard and abuse people for not thinking like you.

Back to topic

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Originally Posted by tebone

Sorry Guys, Its my fault this thread got side tracked. Just want to give some options when doing these conversion. Its good to lay all options on the table.
Dougal, For what its worth I love my RWD.

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You should,nt wear all the blame;)