Perentie RFSV Roll bar/rear seat.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Hi Gordie

If you notice buses only have forward or rearward facing seats these days.

The reason is that from crash research, the risk of serious or fatal spinal injuries for passengers seated in sideways facing seats is significantly greater than forwards or rearwards facing seats. Even with relatively minor crashes or even sudden changes of direction or velocity, it is something like a factor of 4. (400% greater risk)

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Hi Lotz, actually you bring up a good point I hadn't thought of there, our trains in SA have some side facing seats still!!


But yes, re the rear facing seats, along with rear facing baby seats, rear facing bus seats, with no seatbelts, must be good ammo to reinforce the argument for that rear facing seat in the abovementioned perentie.

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Originally Posted by Gordie

Hi Lotz, actually you bring up a good point I hadn't thought of there, our trains in SA have some side facing seats still!!


But yes, re the rear facing seats, along with rear facing baby seats, rear facing bus seats, with no seatbelts, must be good ammo to reinforce the argument for that rear facing seat in the abovementioned perentie.

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The seat would also need seatbelts with approved anchorages, but a better comparison would be the rear facing paramedic seats in some ambulances.

Troopys on Fraser Island are no longer permitted to have side seating, they must have forward facing seats. So all the hire company troopys have been converted to 6 seat versions for that exact reason.

Hi Gordie/Lotz, It appears that the rear facing seat is not the major problem except for the seat belt harness, but the seat wont be addressed until the roll bar is, The RFSV in my opinion has a pretty sturdy roll bar, except as previously stated is bolted to what appears to be a 6mm plate welded onto the top of the bin? unsure what is below as it is well covered.
Regards

Think I'm on the same page but not quite the detail I'm looking for thanks.

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Originally Posted by Landybitz

You will not get approval, been there and a big no no.

Also side facing seats Re GS can no longer be approved in QLD.

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Looks like you will be right Lotsa, will keep post informed on progress but it's going to be a long road.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Hi Gordie

If you notice buses only have forward or rearward facing seats these days.

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Not in Melbourne.
Still a few buses with side facing seats about. It allows more people to stand.
On the trains and trams they are removing some forward and rear facing seats and installing side facing seats so they can pack more standing people into them.

the current range of side facing seats on busses and trains are for disable access.

on the GS seats

legal under ADR, not so under VRS/VSS (yes the V stands for Vogon)

you may have them fitted, you may not have them included in the seating count you may not have people seated on them while the vehicle is in motion and anywhere you will have insurance coverage. (basicaly)

yes, with judicuos use off the hand throttle it is possible if you have skinny drivers do driver changes in a GS without stoping. and yes with a trunk stood on its edge between the seats the GS seats are surprsingly comfortable to sleep on, you put your pack up by the bulkhead and put your legs up on that, keep your webbing straps over youre shoulders and use the belt and pouching to support and cushion your head and shoulders. It is, or was,bb a good way to miss everything from the front gate of tindal to the boom gates of robertsons

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

A couple of comments:

1. The rear seat in an RFSV is rearward facing.
2. The compliance for side facing seats is at the date of the vehicle's manufacture/date of modification (fitting the seats). Not today.

If it were the case that side facing seats were outlawed, then the hundreds of Toyota Land-Cruiser Troopy's with side facing seats would be banned too. Mostly you'll find them on Fraser Island.

BTW: Outside the above comments, I'd never have a friend of mine sitting in a sideways facing seat, seat-belt, full-harness or otherwise. Riding in that alignment is just not safe.

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We were not talking about all side ways facing seats, we were talking side way facing seats in Perentie soft tops, nor are we talking about vehicles that all ready have certification, we were talking about vehicles seeking certification new approval in the future in QLD.

Nor were we talking about people who maybe willing and able to circumnavigate the QLD transport compliance regulators. This is a new ruling and may take sometime to filter down to all the companying agents.

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Originally Posted by Landybitz

We were not talking about all side ways facing seats, we were talking side way facing seats in Perentie soft tops, ...

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Have you taken a look at the title of this thread?

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Perentie RFSV Roll bar/rear seat

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